i just saw a news said that one series will gets a new sense version
and it's much faster than before and quick settings added by htc so will we gets that?
Officially, never in a million years.
We got Sense 3.6 with our official ICS update, while other devices got Sense 4.0.
So when we didn't even get Sense 4.0, we won't get an even newer version than that.
Unofficially, then absolutely 100% sure that we'll get some form of newer versions of Sense should it be released.
kifgep said:
i just saw a news said that one series will gets a new sense version
and it's much faster than before and quick settings added by htc so will we gets that?
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Most likely no. Never from HTC or Sprint. We may get a port but I seriously doubt any real development will be done.
triscuit1983 said:
Most likely no. Never from HTC or Sprint. We may get a port but I seriously doubt any real development will be done.
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I agree.
All Sense 4.0 ROMs still have major bugs.
HTC didn't release it for our phones with the ICS upgrade, so they won't release 4.1.
And, the development by devs on this forum is unlikely, since, like I said, Sense 4.0 ROMs still have major bugs, which means Sense 4.1 will only create more.
Not from Sprint
I agree, Sprint is not going to help us out. They were slow enough to roll out the office ICS update for us. And I haven't seen any evidence that HTC is planning this either.
I contacted HTC and they said that they are trying to get JB on as many devices as possible, may be a possibility, they don't have enough new devices to fit the title "as many devices as possible"... The one series has what, 3 phones.?
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Well there IS a working,fully functional Sense 4 Rom.....
http://www.androidfilehost.com/main/EVO_3D_Developers/Virus/Team_Venom/Viper3D/Nightly/
Moonbloom said:
Officially, never in a million years.
We got Sense 3.6 with our official ICS update, while other devices got Sense 4.0.
So when we didn't even get Sense 4.0, we won't get an even newer version than that.
Unofficially, then absolutely 100% sure that we'll get some form of newer versions of Sense should it be released.
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hope unofficial can be faster or fix more bugs
pokedude750 said:
Well there IS a working,fully functional Sense 4 Rom.....
http://www.androidfilehost.com/main/EVO_3D_Developers/Virus/Team_Venom/Viper3D/Nightly/
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Not GSM? when GSM can get a fully functions' Sense 4.0 rom...
ognimnella said:
I contacted HTC and they said that they are trying to get JB on as many devices as possible, may be a possibility, they don't have enough new devices to fit the title "as many devices as possible"... The one series has what, 3 phones.?
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yep,only three phones now...
and i contacted htc too but no any reply form htc....hell
kifgep said:
i just saw a news said that one series will gets a new sense version
and it's much faster than before and quick settings added by htc so will we gets that?
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officially not! But handymen can attach, let and with not working camera: D
ognimnella said:
I contacted HTC and they said that they are trying to get JB on as many devices as possible, may be a possibility, they don't have enough new devices to fit the title "as many devices as possible"... The one series has what, 3 phones.?
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Its not that they don't have enough devices its that they don't want to make empty promises like with that Desire HD scandal.
They just want to test Jelly Bean thoroughly so they are sure the device will get better with new software.
As for the OP question nope not in a million years i even doubt we will get Jelly Bean even thought HTC is the best with the updates on the market but i think they won't bother to get us latest Android and beside Google Now has been ported to us and im already using it so now all i need is expendable notifications and then im all set.
kifgep said:
i just saw a news said that one series will gets a new sense version
and it's much faster than before and quick settings added by htc so will we gets that?
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I think its updated for Jellybean and a bug free sense 4 is taking time so 4.1 doesn't appear in the proximity
pokedude750 said:
Well there IS a working,fully functional Sense 4 Rom.....
http://www.androidfilehost.com/main/EVO_3D_Developers/Virus/Team_Venom/Viper3D/Nightly/
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Yeah, pretty much we'll have to rely on the community. Choosing to push ICS with 3.6 pretty much means 4.0 ain't happening.
I'd say even with JB, we'd be on 3.6
got a screenshot in chinese forum
the rom is for one x,sorry,not for us,but you can see the sense version is 4.1
kifgep said:
got a screenshot in chinese forum
the rom is for one x,sorry,not for us,but you can see the sense version is 4.1
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Where did u find that Rom.? Link.?
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Not GSM? when GSM can get a fully functions' Sense 4.0 rom...
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I thought that Rom was multi for both gsm and cdma
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Lothaen said:
I thought that Rom was multi for both gsm and cdma
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hope so,but rom maker posted a reply said that he just stopped the sense 4.0 develop and going to 4.1,so we may not to get a perfect sense 4.1 rom
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Where did u find that Rom.? Link.?
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tht rom is for one x,i just posted a screenshot to show the sense version , sorry bro
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hope so,but rom maker posted a reply said that he just stopped the sense 4.0 develop and going to 4.1,so we may not to get a perfect sense 4.1 rom
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Yes, development on sense 4.1 for evo gsm, but don't hold your breath.
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So I saw the the ruu has leaked for the one S. So much for the sense 4.0 Roms being made off the one x lol.
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cincyelite22 said:
So I saw the the ruu has leaked for the one S. So much for the sense 4.0 Roms being made off the one x lol.
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540x960 fail
But it would be sweet to see if anything can be ported.
We need a 720x1280 phone to get Sense 4 for us to bring in that stuff, for the most part!
good heads up though
We can take the visuals from the endeavour and make the one s 720p
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con247 said:
We can take the visuals from the endeavour and make the one s 720p
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Yeah, we just need to combine the elements between both, and it'll look and perform fine
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Looks like the HTC Vivid/Velocity just got ICS with Sense 4.0 - Hopefully we will!
ssoares01 said:
Looks like the HTC Vivid/Velocity just got ICS with Sense 4.0 - Hopefully we will!
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I'm doubting it.
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I assume no other phone has our resolution correct? Ive been trying to theme the rezound and the frameworks are a nightmare.
The One X has our resolution.
The One X does and I swear there's at least one more, can't remember which though.
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Looks like the HTC Vivid/Velocity just got ICS with Sense 4.0 - Hopefully we will!
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HTC Vivid/Velocity just got ICS with Sense 3.6 not 4.0
qudwis said:
HTC Vivid/Velocity just got ICS with Sense 3.6 not 4.0
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Oh really?
http://phandroid.com/2012/03/13/htc-velocity-htc-vivid-receives-ice-cream-sandwich-in-australia/
ssoares01 said:
Oh really?
http://phandroid.com/2012/03/13/htc-velocity-htc-vivid-receives-ice-cream-sandwich-in-australia/
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I like. I'm guessing the Rezound update will look something like this, I can't wait until it's rooted with some tweaks and the Rezound will have better hardware too.
ssoares01 said:
Oh really?
http://phandroid.com/2012/03/13/htc-velocity-htc-vivid-receives-ice-cream-sandwich-in-australia/
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Yes really. Watch the end of the video it says Sense 3.6. Not to mention it looks nothing like 4.0
Whoever wrote up that article either messed up or did it on purpose to deceive people.
ssoares01 said:
Oh really?
http://phandroid.com/2012/03/13/htc-velocity-htc-vivid-receives-ice-cream-sandwich-in-australia/
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doubt it. Engadget just did a 3.6 sense review and said that all current devices that get ICS will get 3.6. 4.0 has camera and audio stuff (like beats throughout) that htc says current phones cannot do.
nrfitchett4 said:
doubt it. Engadget just did a 3.6 sense review and said that all current devices that get ICS will get 3.6. 4.0 has camera and audio stuff (like beats throughout) that htc says current phones cannot do.
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Son of a bee....
Guess we'll see
I hear some one have an Amaze 4G running ICS 4.0.4, but when update from OTA, I got 4.0.3 (TMobile).
Any one know what OTA (or leaked) can I use for 4.0.4?
Another question: Can I flash an OTA from Telus or Wind on my TMobile?
Thank.
ndp_singe said:
I hear some one have an Amaze 4G running ICS 4.0.4, but when update from OTA, I got 4.0.3 (TMobile).
Any one know what OTA (or leaked) can I use for 4.0.4?
Another question: Can I flash an OTA from Telus or Wind on my TMobile?
Thank.
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If you want to flash RUU from another carrier, you'll need to have s-off and super cid.
A quick search will lead you to those answers
kered424 said:
If you want to flash RUU from another carrier, you'll need to have s-off and super cid.
A quick search will lead you to those answers
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Ya! Thank you.
And what RUU with stock 4.0.4? Does it exist?
No carrier got 4.0.4, they all got 4.0.3, you're sol until the guys get their 4.0.4 custom rom fully working.
Dark Nightmare said:
No carrier got 4.0.4, they all got 4.0.3, you're sol until the guys get their 4.0.4 custom rom fully working.
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Ya! Thank you. Cause I hear some person on another forum talking that they got ICS 4.0.4 Stock installed on brandnew Amaze 4G when they buys it. But when I ask them, I got no response, then I post my question here. May be they are liars :silly:
ndp_singe said:
Ya! Thank you.
And what RUU with stock 4.0.4? Does it exist?
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"404 error - the RUU you requested was not found"
Hehe. I love puns
And no I don't believe it exists yet.
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Lol =]]
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But its ok if we don't have 4.0.4 because in September/October we get 4.1
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Lol =))
JB from TMOUS or from our dev?
ndp_singe said:
Lol =))
JB from TMOUS or from our dev?
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Apparently HTC is updating the amaze to 4.1, would be great if they do, you guys would love the smoothness of JB, hopefully they give you sense 4.0 as well.
I was thinking the might if anything knowing them they would give us a bs sense 3.7-3.9 but just not sense 4
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randomnoob83 said:
I was thinking the might if anything knowing them they would give us a bs sense 3.7-3.9 but just not sense 4
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I'd hate that, knowing this phone could do with the lighter version of sense, but then again, JB is pretty smooth and completely lag free, so even if you guys are stuck on sense 3.6, once you get the update at all, you'll be in heaven, trust me.
Yea I think so I'm just curious to see how they approach the update
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randomnoob83 said:
Yea I think so I'm just curious to see how they approach the update
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It shouldn't be that difficult noting JB wasn't a major overhaul the way ICS was, so working with it should be simple, once they don't push too much bloat into it and slow down the system, which with the work google put in, shouldn't be affected at all.
It cant be sense 4 because sense 4 is ICS, in theory since sense 4 is ics they cant make sense 3.x jellybean because the order would be broken of versions....they might give a sense 4.1 and give one s users sense 4.5 of something along those lines
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seems about rite lol either way cant wait
EclipzeRemix said:
It cant be sense 4 because sense 4 is ICS, in theory since sense 4 is ics they cant make sense 3.x jellybean because the order would be broken of versions....they might give a sense 4.1 and give one s users sense 4.5 of something along those lines
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lol wut?
Anyways, several things.
1. Why the need for 4.0.4? I've looked at the change log, doesn't seem like all that much that I'd really care about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#Android_4.0.x_Ice_Cream_Sandwich
Don't we have custom camera software anyways?
Damn, gotta have that smoother screen rotation....
2. Why the need for Sense 4? I've used a phone with Sense 4, and to be honest, Sense 3.6 and 4 are very similar, just 4 has a few quirks (recent apps screen, widgets in the app drawer, couple extra cloud services, what else?).
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/45134/htc-sense-3-6-vs-sense-4
Version number envy?
3. I doubt HTC would bump the sense version if we get JB.
oryan_dunn said:
lol wut?
Anyways, several things.
1. Why the need for 4.0.4? I've looked at the change log, doesn't seem like all that much that I'd really care about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#Android_4.0.x_Ice_Cream_Sandwich
Don't we have custom camera software anyways?
Damn, gotta have that smoother screen rotation....
2. Why the need for Sense 4? I've used a phone with Sense 4, and to be honest, Sense 3.6 and 4 are very similar, just 4 has a few quirks (recent apps screen, widgets in the app drawer, couple extra cloud services, what else?).
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/45134/htc-sense-3-6-vs-sense-4
Version number envy?
3. I doubt HTC would bump the sense version if we get JB.
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Yes but apparently sense versions below 4 are huge hogs, even HTC admited it was, so they made sense 4 much more lighter. And, if HTC gave us older devices ics with an slightly updated sense 3.6 instead of 4, then they might give us sense 4 while probably a new gen HTC's with a newer version of sense releases, makes SENSE to me ahhahahaha pun intended
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eggydrums said:
Yes but apparently sense versions below 4 are huge hogs, even HTC admited it was, so they made sense 4 much more lighter. And, if HTC gave us older devices ics with an slightly updated sense 3.6 instead of 4, then they might give us sense 4 while probably a new gen HTC's with a newer version of sense releases, makes SENSE to me ahhahahaha pun intended
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Not gonna happen. Multiple times they've stated legacy devices that shipped pre-ICS will not get Sense 4. They want to maintain the same look & feel as when the phone shipped, so as not to upset most people. Granted, basically anyone on xda would probably rather have AOSP from the manufacturer, but the general public won't. Eg. my girlfriend has the Evo 3D and says she won't update to ICS when Sprint releases it next month because they got rid of the arc tray at the bottom on the home screen. She had a friend who has the Evo V 4G, saw what ICS would look like on her phone, and has completely ruled it out.
Dark Nightmare said:
Apparently HTC is updating the amaze to 4.1, would be great if they do, you guys would love the smoothness of JB, hopefully they give you sense 4.0 as well.
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Do you think HTC will release JB for Amaze soon? Cause they have new flagship device like OneX, and I think they will port JB for these flagship with higher priority. Our Amaze is "old" for them. lol.
well since there has been no word with htc releasing htc 4+ with jellybean. i think we should have a dev request on it. i know it will take a long time for a dev to develop but we all would like to see it. who agrees.? im willing to donate too, to this cause.!
24ky said:
well since there has been no word with htc releasing htc 4+ with jellybean. i think we should have a dev request on it. i know it will take a long time for a dev to develop but we all would like to see it. who agrees.? im willing to donate too, to this cause.!
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we have official sense 4+ anyway, but ill try to but i dont promise nothing
jose51197 said:
we have official sense 4+ anyway, but ill try to but i dont promise nothing
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Okay thanks... But we don't have official sence 4+ for this device
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24ky said:
Okay thanks... But we don't have official sence 4+ for this device
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I meant it has to come someday by ota
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Still not seeing Sense based 4.1+ JB roms, dead device? My HP Touchpad, sadly and not so sadly, seems to have more backing than the Incredible LTE (which my wife got to get a device not too large for her hands)
bigfire8 said:
Still not seeing Sense based 4.1+ JB roms, dead device? My HP Touchpad, sadly and not so sadly, seems to have more backing than the Incredible LTE (which my wife got to get a device not too large for her hands)
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Sense 4+ on the way, just that kernel sources are just released and i need to merge kernels just that
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24ky said:
Okay thanks... But we don't have official sence 4+ for this device
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??? The latest (official) OTA has Sense 4.1. It is Jellybean that isn't official for this device.
bigfire8 said:
Still not seeing Sense based 4.1+ JB roms, dead device?
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An official Jellybean release for the fireball is likely (source), but any release dates are purely speculative. The task of porting a Jellybean+Sense based ROM, from EVO 4G LTE for example, is not a simple endeavor. Definitely not something I am equipped to handle.
jose51197 said:
Sense 4+ on the way, just that kernel sources are just released and i need to merge kernels just that
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Jellybean is not just a kernel upgrade, so I don't think this answers bigfire8's inquiry.
Hey,
HTC released the HTC One and i have to say the BlinkFeed looks really cool to me,
hope our devs could port this to the Amaze
thx
harisj16 said:
Hey,
HTC released the HTC One and i have to say the BlinkFeed looks really cool to me,
hope our devs could port this to the Amaze
thx
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If we dont have sense 4+, I doubt we will get sense 5.
I think he means this specific feature.
But I don't know man, it looks like that requires a lot of Sense 5 features. Like framework stuff.
KT-82166 said:
If we dont have sense 4+, I doubt we will get sense 5.
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Time dude time
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KT-82166 said:
If we dont have sense 4+, I doubt we will get sense 5.
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Umm we do have Sense 4, go check out the Nightmare Sense ROM. Ran just fine on my Amaze. It may be possible to port the feature provided that it doesnt rely on Sense 5 which would make it a lot harder to port.
blacksapphire08 said:
Umm we do have Sense 4, go check out the Nightmare Sense ROM. Ran just fine on my Amaze. It may be possible to port the feature provided that it doesnt rely on Sense 5 which would make it a lot harder to port.
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Sense 4+ is not the same as sense 4/4.1
KT-82166 said:
Sense 4+ is not the same as sense 4/4.1
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Sense 4+ is simply Sense 4.1 that has been tweaked for JB. HTC incorporated some of the JB features into their widgets and thats about it.
Android Central: HTC confirms some current devices will get Sense 5, or at least parts of it. http://goo.gl/mag/5eOTwZf
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Android Central: HTC confirms some current devices will get Sense 5, or at least parts of it. http://goo.gl/mag/5eOTwZf
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I won't belive it till they release it. Quoting it from another forum is not a real source.
Double0EK said:
I won't belive it till they release it. Quoting it from another forum is not a real source.
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I also saw it somewhere else. http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/02/28/h...one-x-one-x-and-one-s-in-the-next-few-months/
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Lol. That's not real source either. Probably more empty promises by HTC. But even if they do pull through, the Amaze isn't listed as one of the devices to get updated.
Are we going to get sense 5? The incredible has a krait, after all, and all other S4 phones seem to be getting it.
sid3091 said:
Are we going to get sense 5? The incredible has a krait, after all, and all other S4 phones seem to be getting it.
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We havent got a sense 4+ yet when HTC is supposed to deliver us that... Sense 5 I think could be a possibility, but I don't think so.... Unless a dev builds it from scratch
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We havent got a sense 4+ yet when HTC is supposed to deliver us that... Sense 5 I think could be a possibility, but I don't think so.... Unless a dev builds it from scratch
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a similar phone to the inc4g would really need to get sense5 to port it (and of course we need jellybean of our own first)
and since sense5 no longer uses m10 files (which is what is typically resized on roms now to fit different resolutions) not sure on the sizing issues
and theres no "building from scratch" its taking an existing rom and hacking it up to work on this device
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a similar phone to the inc4g would really need to get sense5 to port it (and of course we need jellybean of our own first)
and since sense5 no longer uses m10 files (which is what is typically resized on roms now to fit different resolutions) not sure on the sizing issues
and theres no "building from scratch" its taking an existing rom and hacking it up to work on this device
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If one s gets it we could
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jose51197 said:
If one s gets it we could
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that would fall under similar phone
whether or not i bother with it will probably depend how large the inc4g community is at that point (guessing i wont be the one attempting it though)
nitsuj17 said:
that would fall under similar phone
whether or not i bother with it will probably depend how large the inc4g community is at that point (guessing i wont be the one attempting it though)
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Well ill try when we get jelly bean and its kernel sources, if you viper team want to use it as base you can do if that release happens of course
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We havent got a sense 4+ yet when HTC is supposed to deliver us that... Sense 5 I think could be a possibility, but I don't think so.... Unless a dev builds it from scratch
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Why do you keep saying this? Go to Settings > About and look at the version under Sense.
EDIT: OK, HTC has incredibly stupid version names.
mdmower said:
Why do you keep saying this? Go to Settings > About and look at the version under Sense.
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No, he's right. Sense 4+ is the actual version name above 4.1. We've only gotten 4.1 so far. NBD anyway, Cyanogenmod is much better than any Sense ROM.
I believe the misunderstanding is that Sense 4+ is a different version other than what we have but Sense 4.x is actually what we have. If I'm wrong please correct me.
It's not a glitch this isn't Wreck it Ralph
mdmower said:
Why do you keep saying this? Go to Settings > About and look at the version under Sense.
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mdmower sense goes from 2.1 to 5.0, respestive order is
2.1 2.5(2.1 on gingerbread) 3.0 3.5(GB) 4.0 4.1(ICS) 4+(jelly bean) 5.0(only HTC one for now) and I still think 4+ will eventually be rolled out but sense 5 will be a hard port since resizing is gonna be harder
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Sense 5 will go to the one s!!!!!!! Meaning a easy port
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Sense 5 will go to the one s!!!!!!! Meaning a easy port
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Well easyish assuming we have jellybean by then
And would have to be hacked up for LTE (not a huge deal but still a hurdle)
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Are we going to get sense 5? The incredible has a krait, after all, and all other S4 phones seem to be getting it.
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Unfortunately, being on Verizon, we are S.O.L. I doubt we'll see 4+ or Sense 5. I doubt we will even see JellyBean before most of us are eligible for upgrades. So for those like me who aren't in to flashing customer ROMS, we probably will not see it.
well, sure it might take some time before a possible JB update from verizon arrives for us. but personally I'd be fine if that's just 4.1.2 (latest 4.1.x JB that brings us "project butter" ) ...and comes with Sense4+. Sense4.1 already slimmed down the visual effects quite a bit and from my piont of view, Sense5 is slimmed down too much, over-simplified and removes that neat lock-ring that HTC Sense is so much well known for *haha* ... i'd really hate to loose it!