I recently bought a TyTNfor almost $900 including a 2 GB expansion card. Despite dozens of hours of trying to get it to work correctly, I find th TyTN almost intolerably buggy.
Specifically:
1) the phone loses connections frequently -- much worse than the Cingular 8125 or my old Treo 650.
2) numerous application programs either crash the device or do not run properly -- specifically, the Audible.com player, the the automated download feature or of Audible Air, most of the SPB utility applications, SBSH Weather (VGA Icons), SBSH Ilauncher and others.
3) the battery life absolutely sucks. I get less than eight hours of operation -- with very few telephone calls. I do have Microsoft push e-mail turned on. However, this ought to work -- for God's sake, or what's the point?
4) the screen/stylus requires re-alignment at least twice a daily..
Is there anyone out there who can help me and walk me through the installation of a new ROM, or some kind of update that makes this device work in a tolerable manner?
I would be very happy to pay you for your consulting time. Otherwise, I want to try to get HTC to take this buggy phone back for a full refund and I will go back to using my old Treo 650.
Many thanks for your attention and future help.
ROM version 1.18.255.3
ROM date 07/22/06
Radio Version 1.03.03.10
Once I hear that you have alignment problems, then, from what I hear you have bad luck since you have one of the firt TyTns out there. I heard that HTC replaces these units. It hapens to be a common problem on the early devices.
I have my MDA Vario II (a variation of a Hermes) and till now 4 days long extremely happy with everything.
natgoldhaber said:
I recently bought a TyTNfor almost $900 including a 2 GB expansion card. Despite dozens of hours of trying to get it to work correctly, I find th TyTN almost intolerably buggy.
Specifically:
1) the phone loses connections frequently -- much worse than the Cingular 8125 or my old Treo 650.
2) numerous application programs either crash the device or do not run properly -- specifically, the Audible.com player, the the automated download feature or of Audible Air, most of the SPB utility applications, SBSH Weather (VGA Icons), SBSH Ilauncher and others.
3) the battery life absolutely sucks. I get less than eight hours of operation -- with very few telephone calls. I do have Microsoft push e-mail turned on. However, this ought to work -- for God's sake, or what's the point?
4) the screen/stylus requires re-alignment at least twice a daily..
Is there anyone out there who can help me and walk me through the installation of a new ROM, or some kind of update that makes this device work in a tolerable manner?
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Well, I am sorry you are having these problems. I don't think most of them are a Tytn problems in general.
1) First I have heard of this. I have had the Tytn for a month now and don't have that problem. I move in and out of a 3g area and whether on GSM or UMTS, call quality has been great (better than my Wizzard in fact). Maybe your problem is a SIM issue since this phone is not supported by your carrier where you others might be? I went and got a new SIM when I got mine so I don't know if that could be an issue or not.
2) I don't use many apps. I do use SBSH Weather v1.3.3 (regular icons) and it works well. No issues at all, updates just fine etc. I thought the VGA icons were for devices with a VGA screen (Universal for example). To the best of my knowledge the Wizzard, Tytn etc are not VGA devices so I don't think it helps to use the VGA icons, and who knows, maybe it could cause an issue on a non-VGA device. I have heard that SPB has issues. Slingplayer also works well for me, streaming video runs great.
3) I get ~3-4 days out of the battery if just used for calls, weather updates, and light browsing. Heavy UMTS browsing or streaming cuts that down significantly to 24-36 hours. I don't use push mail so don't know there, but there might be a config setting that is causing your device to get polled too frequently. I do know that one time I went into the phone menu and Band page to set Band to UMTS only. I forgot I did that, left a UMTS area and the phone went into constant network search mode instead of switching to GSM. That drained my battery in something less than 8 hrs.
4) I also don't have this problem. There are many reports of this problem though and the only fix I am aware of is a replacement.
Bottom line is I suspect you have a bad phone (reception and alignment issues) as well as setup issues or program conflicts causing your apps problems.
try to upgrade to the lastest rom!
natgoldhaber said:
I would be very happy to pay you for your consulting time. Otherwise, I want to try to get HTC to take this buggy phone back for a full refund and I will go back to using my old Treo 650.
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I would love to take your money, but I think you should take it back and get something else. Maybe even a Treo. The reason I say this is because the TyTn is just not ready for Prime Time unless you are a power user or someone who doesn't feel the need to complain because it doesn't work properly. Power user go around these issues and figure out the problems.
This is no way an insult to you, it's just that if you can't deal with the problems, and you need to rely on a phone/pda, and email is very important to you maybe even go as low as to get a blackberry. In the meantime I personally would keep the TyTn and explore it and fully understand how it works. When you are ready to dive in and start using it as a "power user" then you will no longer need to worry about it's faults.
This is coming from 2 years of experience with the O2 Xda IIs. Which was the buggiest pocketpc phone that ever came out and today is one of the top, mainly due to the fact that once the ROM is hacked the development efforts go up considerably and you see increased productivity and usability.
But if you need the money, just get a refund.
Sorry about my blunt response, but I had a friend who I converted from a palm to a Blue Angel. He didn't like it so I got him into a wizard. He curse at it for a while, then he started loving it after a few weeks of using it. Now he would never go back to a Palm or a Treo or anything else. I got my TyTn only last week and have cursed it to hell and back several thousand times. But this is just the way it goes when you're one of the early adopters. Especially when the phone is not commercially available to the US and Canada.
Time heals all.
Fully agree with you axiom, the most sincere response you could have given him.
I also come from the BlueAngel and was one of the early adopters, now running helmi's 1.32 rom, that's why I truely understand what you mean
Thanks pof for backing me up. I am also still using my BlueAngel with with the 1.32 rom but primarily in my car for navigation. This way I don't have to spend another few hundred dollars on a Nav system. And it really bothers me when tomtom loads faster on my BlueAngel then it does on my TyTn, but then I am hopeful that the TyTn will prevail when the time is write and all our heads are in the right place.
As always, everyone is welcome to post their problems, concerns, and findings and I am always pushing people to hang in there because "I know" there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Thanks for all the thoughtful replys - but....
Perhaps this is a device that is a little too early for me. But I will not return it. I love the speed of the Cingular 3G network. And I am blown away by how well Exchange/Outlook push works. I would never go back to a Treo or to a Blackberry.
I was rather hoping someone may have an idea about an improved ROM. I did have a direct conversation with HTCEurope's tech support office. They said they were well aware of the problems with applications, especially with the Audible player. They wistfully referred to the folks in Taiwan creating a new ROM - any month now.
I hoped that one of you might feel that a beta Cingular or other ROM might fix some or all of my problems. And I hope that someone could talk me through the installation. I hope that is true.
Many thanks.
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I hoped that one of you might feel that a beta Cingular or other ROM might fix some or all of my problems. And I hope that someone could talk me through the installation. I hope that is true.
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Oh please don't install the cingular beta ROM. Infact, as much I enjoyed using it for testing purposes, the last thing you want to do is start pushing ROMs. I am also waiting for a newer ROM, I was one of the first along with pof and others who installed the cingular roms and found some harsh truths, and some benefits. However, I went back to the dopod rom, with a radio update from the cingular rom. And this was a journey in possibly bricking my unit because going back from the cingular to one of the other roms is a chance and you need your original rom to go back.
If you must pursue upgrading your ROM, please keep a few things in mind:
1) And very important: If you don't know what you're doing, you could brick your unit.
2) A rom upgrade is only as good as the comments it has received from the users on this forum.
3) Most users who use the newest roms are, in most cases, advanced and understand that there will be problems.
4) Once you have started to upgrade your rom, you will be doing it all the time and be ready to reinstall your apps and settings.
If this is all ok to you and you have a back up phone, that you can use while you play with your TyTn, then go ahead and try the Dopod, Imate or TyTn rom. Look through the wiki and you will find all the information you need.
READ EVERYTHING FIRST, THEN START YOUR JOURNEY. The worst thing is having someone tell you "Do a search", or "RTFM", or "Read the wiki". People will respect you more and will be willing to help you more if your questions legit and the wiki can't help you out.
To start you off, I would suggest the Dopod ROM, with radio 1.16. This should take you about 1 hour to update. Then if you're not satisfied with this, then go to the TyTn or the IMate.
I hope this helps, and I have never seen anyone ask for money on here to help our fellow users and if they have, then shame on them. We are all here to learn and teach, this is what makes us a community of excellence.
I hope this helps you and many others on this board. Until the next rom, or hopefully the successful hack of the TyTn rom... Long live xda-developers!
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axiom: I took part of your last comment and updated the upgrading FAQs with it
As far as the screen alignment issue goes i am shortly sending my TyTN to HTC (in the UK) to get fixed under warranty (ie free)....the guy on the helpline was REALLY helpfull in sorting it out...they estimate a 5 day turnaround for it which is just SWEEEEET......shall be back to my P900 for a few days URGH!
So afaik the screen alignment can be sorted with an under warranty repair
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axiom: I took part of your last comment and updated the upgrading FAQs with it
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Thanks pof, I am very honored to me contributing to the wiki. Hehe.
There is one spelling mistake, can you change:
help you more if your questions legit and the wiki can't help you out.
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help you more if your questions are legit and the wiki can't help you out.
Thanks.
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There is one spelling mistake, can you change:
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I changed it, but remember that you can edit the wiki too... it's very easy, and if you need help, just ask
Dear Prof, Asukal and especially Axiom:
I want to thank you for your responses. I took the plunge last night and upgraded the phone radio ROM to the Cingular 1.16 version using the instructions and files from Asukal.
There were moments of sheer terror. The ROM upload to the phone took hours. In fact, I went to sleep and let it continue through the night. But when I woke up, there was the predicted error message on the TyTN. Just as instructed, after a reset, everything worked perfectly. I will write this up more thoroughly in a day or two after I have a chance to really test the radio.
But thanks for giving me the courage to try the upgrade. I am also including a snippet from a message I received from HTC Support about the next ROM:
"There are no ROM updates available for the TyTN at present, although are actively working one to address various issue customers are experiencing.
We are expecting this to coincide with the Windows Mobile 5 AKU3 update."
Nat
please help/ new to this
I have a 02 xda exec that has several programs that states that " either it is not signed in with a trusted cetificate, or one of it's commponent can not be found, you might have to reinstall or restore this file." My desktop had the backup files for the 02 exec but it crashed. im using my laptop to try to find out how to restore my files. I tried the update but that failed too. Please help.
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I have a 02 xda exec that has several programs that states that " either it is not signed in with a trusted cetificate, or one of it's commponent can not be found, you might have to reinstall or restore this file." My desktop had the backup files for the 02 exec but it crashed. im using my laptop to try to find out how to restore my files. I tried the update but that failed too. Please help.
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This is the TyTn forum. You want to post this in the Universal forum.
natgoldhaber said:
Dear Prof, Asukal and especially Axiom:
I want to thank you for your responses. I took the plunge last night and upgraded the phone radio ROM to the Cingular 1.16 version using the instructions and files from Asukal.
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Congratulations and you are very welcome. Btw, which base rom did you stay with? I have noticed better reception with the 1.16 radio, how are you finding it?
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Congratulations and you are very welcome. Btw, which base rom did you stay with? I have noticed better reception with the 1.16 radio, how are you finding it?
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ROM is version 1.18.255.3
Date:7/22/06
Radio: 1.16.00.00 (hurray)
Protocol: 32.53.7018H
ExROM: 1.18.255.106
I will give a full report on the radio tomorrow - not enough experience with it yet - and some very minor anomalies after the upgrade.
If you're experiencing shortened battery life, try changing the push email settings (active sync for the mail server) -- if you set it to other than "as they arrive" to an hour or so, for off-peak, it will really reduce the battery drain. Same with the settings for an POP3 email mailboxes -- change the polling interval to a longer duration. I've found that to be one of the biggest battery drains on my TyTN.
I've had a TyTN for more than 2 months and absolutely love it. Sold my k-jam (wizard) because I want the 3G if Cingular USA ever gets it working in my area. I've found the TyTN faster even on the EDGE network locally and better overall than my k-jam -- seems like the issues with the wizard have been largely addressed. Mind you I've never had the screen alignment problem so I can sympathize with those who do. I did switch my HTC ROM to the Imate ROM and I feel like the stability is better.
Slightly better
natgoldhaber said:
ROM is version 1.18.255.3
Date:7/22/06
Radio: 1.16.00.00 (hurray)
Protocol: 32.53.7018H
ExROM: 1.18.255.106
I will give a full report on the radio tomorrow - not enough experience with it yet - and some very minor anomalies after the upgrade.
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I think the Cingular 1.16 Radio ROM is just a bit better than the TyTN ROM that was native to my device. It seems very clear and it MAY hold the signal a bit better. My house is in a marginal area, switching constantly between GPRS and UMTS. That may make things difficult. My reception at home is clearer but about the same as my old Treo 650 in terms of maintaining a connection. The 8125 I had on trial from Cingular for a few weeks was better - but of course it had no UMTS.
Might be interesting for someone to do a hack which grabs GPRS during phone conversations in marginal areas and prevents going to UMTS during the call. ?????
I downloaded the fix4cat TyTN tweaker and set audio to "excellent." Not sure what that does, but excellent sounds good. I also enabled HSPDA, but that seems to do nothing.
Anyway I am happy.
The audible player still does not work worth beans (boohoo - their tech support is NO HELP AT ALL) and I had a really terrible experience with Chapura Pocket Mirror which I used successfully on the Treo for years. I need to synchronize public folders on my Exchange server. Any ideas? Chapura is brain dead, temporarily broke my device and made me spend hours recovering my programs and settings.
Finally - anyone ever able to get into a Cisco firewall and look at files on the company server with the VPN software in WM5??? I have tried using PPTP – no luck.
And really finally, thanks to everyone who helped. (Battery life better with push email off and TyTN magically stopped alignment drift completely and I am no longer a ROM virgin).
Nat
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As a regular contributor to various motor car forums I am always amazed at how idiots destroy perfectly serviceable cars in an attempt to 'improve' them. Anyway - today, I am one of those idiots.
I recently purchased a QTEK 2020 which I got a bit cheap on account of it not having 'iMate' written on it. Before I get really into it and put software and stuff on it, I'd like to upgrade my ROM from 1.66 to 1.72, which I have found on this site. Do I have to go through all of the xda2nbftool stuff (which I more or less understand)? Presumably yes, to change the Operator (only?). I'm quite happy for the machine to think that it is an iMate, but presumably this does not work!
I am happy with my machine. It hasn't crashed yet. But it annoys me that it might not be quite as good as yours...
(I so feel like one of those people who wants to remove his cylinder head and replace it with pineapple's to make the engine run sweeter)
i dont really understand what you are asking
are you asking
1 about changing operator and so sim locking ?
2 are you asking if you need the pretty manual xda2nbftool way to upgrade xda2's ?
3 are you asking if it will work upgrading to 1.72 ?
1 you can sim unlock your device without changing rom
a rom never require you to use a special operator but the preset settings will be the operators who put out the rom
2 yes currently it's the only way with time people are likely to make it a bit more gui like the xdatools for xda1
3 it should work but some people are reporting issues with it or maybe that was the beta of 1.72
read about the exp of others in the posts about 1.72
Sorry - it's a simple question.
If I had an iMate I could just use the RUXXX upgrade without any fuss to upgrade to 1.72
However, I have a QTEK 2020. I guess therefore I have to use xda2nbftool to modify the operator name to QTEK - otherwise it will not work (despite the 2 devices being identical). I do not want to unlock a SIM or anything else (it is unlocked by default).
Just looking for confirmation of the above paragraph!
I read about the experience of others using the 'official' 1.72 and it seems okay (better battery life etc.)
Cheers
there are 2 errors i think which stop people from just flashing their xda2 flavor with any rom update in the form of an exe file
1 is country code error if the rom is released in one country it often have a block which will stop people from upgrading their another country xda2 with it, not sure why they do that
2 maybe a form of device block so you dont upgrade your qtek with the imate
i'm sure if you had an imate and the country code dident differ you would be able to upgrade without using xda2nbftool
with time a GUI tool like xdatools for xda1 will come and you'll be able to get around all these blocks without having to type
and such
If you want to upgrade your Qtek to Imate's 1.72 ROM, yes, you need to do all that stuff.
It's actually quite simple, the description on http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/HimalayaRomFlashing is full, accurate, and is actually suited to Qtek owners without changing a single instruction.
I flashed my device (though on the first go it ended up in a dead-ish screen and I had to re-flash) and it works swimmingly.
However, you might get somewhat nervous encountering such dead-ish screens; and for good reason, flashing is dangerous after all.
Perhaps it's best to wait for a Qtek upgrade, they seem to be holding back a bit, so perhaps they're waiting to integrate WM2003 Second Edition, which should be a much larger upgrade. Also, you'll still be covered by warrantee.
If you're having specific problems with your 1.6x ROM, it could conceivably be a good idea to upgrade to the iMate ROM (using the instructions on the wiki), but if you're not having any problems, or problems that also occur in 1.72, or which are a result of 3rd party software you're using; don't bother.
You are right that QTEK seem to be a little slow in releasing anything. In fact I can't find any detailed 'official' support on QTEK outside the pages of this forum. Their website appears to be in swedish and is of very little use!
The QTEKCorporation website doesn't even list the 2020! Strange, as I understand that HTC own QTEK.
Most vendors (Expansys for example) list the 2020 as 'discontinued' (which is how I managed to negotiate a big discount!)
I tried to gatecrash club-iMate but they didn't like my IMEI number, and when I asked why not they said that they don't support my device.
I don't really care (assuming that my machine never has a problem...) and is it seems to do everything I want it to, I'll wait before updating the ROM. Maybe something will come from QTEK eventually - although I am not sure from where!!
Cheers
well qtek were the first ones out with 1.66 it came on my device before most people had gotten 1.60
beljames said:
As a regular contributor to various motor car forums I am always amazed at how idiots destroy perfectly serviceable cars in an attempt to 'improve' them. Anyway - today, I am one of those idiots.
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Who am I to contradict you? ;-)
Seriously: don't do the upgrade yet. Why?
- 1.72 has well-known problems. First, ClearType has become much worse - text just doesn't look as good as with older versions. Second, quite a few people report hangs that needed a hard reset (and cause a loss of all data). See, for example, the pages 45 - 50 of the PocketZenPhone thread in this forum. With my ROM version (1.60) I never had to hard-reset a single time. And I tried quite a few programs, some less buggy, some more buggy.
- also, although there are detailed instructions, things can always go wrong. And if that happens, you may need a bit of experience to sort them out. So wait a few more week, enjoy your device, read forums, and gain experience.
Cheers
Daniel
I have 1.72 for some time now and:
- it *never* crashed (I have to do soft reset from time to time like in any other release though, but no hang or anything)
- clear type is fixed. There's a post about a .cab to install which fixes the problem. ClearType is now great on 1.72
- my battery life improved over previous versions and I have a unit that can stand up to three days connected to my BT headset (a bluetrek G2) with me talking 2 to 3 hours a day and doing PDA stuff
so I would recommend you move on
Hi beljames, really I can understand you! I've almost destroyed a lot of good working car engines trying to "improve" them... :lol:
So: if you want to do this with your brand new QTEK 2020 go there
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=9060
and read carefully.
All worked fine for me. I upgraded from 1.66 ITA to 1.70 EN and my QTEK works perfectly!
About the cleartype problem you can find a fix in this forum: it works too.
I've also added a N2Ox system and a small turbocharger... it's a little bit heavier, yes, but it runs like a rocket! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good balanced opinions!!
I think I'll wait a while to see if it annoys me. One single hang and I'll upgrade. Screw it up in Ghana and you don't get a lot of 1 to 1 technical support!!
By the way - I find it far easier to read the screen with Cleartype switched off (and mine is 1.66). Cleartype makes me squint!
An Loxodont - assuming that you are Italian, you will be amused to hear that the one car I used to lunch very frequently was an Alfa 33. Used to blow the inlet manifold clean off almost weekly.
- 1.72 has well-known problems. First, ClearType has become much worse - text just doesn't look as good as with older versions. Second, quite a few people report hangs that needed a hard reset (and cause a loss of all data).
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in defence of 1.72 then i have had both these issues with 1.66
Go for it....
Hi all,
just to let you know I also upgraded my Qtek 2020 from 1.66 to i-mate 1.72 following the "manual steps" to overryde the country code error and it works fine. The steps are simplier than it seems and i did it in 5 minutes. The upgrade itself is quite boring....it took almost one hour to complete the upgrade on all stacks.
One thing i can tell you: after the upgrade the device gets faster and it seems it has a "new" battery.
The cleartype prob is solved and forgotten with the right patch.
The only problem i still get is the stupid i-mate logo at startup and i can't seem to get rid of it. I want my old qtek logo back....
If i can give advise on this: Just go for it.....
Portuguese do it better....and we will win Euro2004 !
The only problem i still get is the stupid i-mate logo at startup and i can't seem to get rid of it. I want my old qtek logo back....
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maybe this guide can help you get your old pic or a new and more fancy one as bootImage
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=3759
Dear Xda Experts!
My name is Guy, I own an Xda Atom and I critically need your help...
About a month ago my life became miserable as the wifi module of the poor device has stopped functioning completely: It doesn't start when I click Menu->Turn on Wifi, doesn't respond to wireless manager clicks, fails the self diagnostics test etc.
After looking all over the relevant internet forums, I've found This post, suggesting I put the atom in the fridge for a few minutes. I've done that - and suprisingly - the wifi began functioning for a few minutes time. After that, it returned to its normal state of misfunctioning.
I understand that the problem is being caused by some sort of a heating problem within the device.
Is there a solution to this problem?
Rom experts (especially Jiggs) : is there a registry edit that might help, maybe to take some pressure of the processor, or to prevent the disappearance of the wifi as the device heats?
I bought the Atom especially because the wifi ability, as it is highly important to me, and as for now I'm seriously disappointed. The O2's support's laconic response was "Try the official ROM" (My warranty period is over).
Needless to say, I have already tried Hard resets, Rom upgrades of all kinds, flashing and reflashing, taking out the battery for a few days and nothing worked.
Please try to assist,
Your help will be much appreciated.
Thank you all,
Guy Sando.
Same with me.
Hi Guy,
I have the same problem with my Atom.
I tried to reinstall ROMs/Hard Reset and nothing helped.
One day in the morning after charging it all over the night, the WIFI suddenly started to work, but only for few hours.
Hope someone would have an idea.
Yaniv.
Do not used wireless manager or the wrlsmgr. try using Wifi Utilty by ALE**** i forget
Bye try to flash with the AKU 3.3.3 or AKU3.3F
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329181
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Do not used wireless manager or the wrlsmgr. try using Wifi Utilty by ALE**** i forget
Bye try to flash with the AKU 3.3.3 or AKU3.3F
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329181
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Dear Jeffkewin, thanx for the response.
Do you have a link or maybe a bit more specific name of the software that you recommended? (Btw, Software replacement seems a bit like a long shot, because of the fact that the "fridge-therapy" works for the wifi...)
As for the AKU's - I've tried them both, they're really nice, but none of them has fixed my wifi issue...
Maybe The upcoming WM6 Rom will. I keep my fingers crossed...
Thanks again,
Guy.
Can u goto the Settings, Connections, use the Wi-fi Utility.
Ignore the Turn on and off button. Turn on is turn off, turn on is turn on.. that the only text bugs, but the software is working fine.
Try SPB phone suite wireless icon
it happened to me one time while trying to reflashed ROM. When im going to Wireless Manager, I cant open my wifi. But if im trying to open it in SPB Phone suite , its working...maybe try this software. download it and i will give to you the serial for registration. But first try if it is work then thats the time i will give to you...
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Can u goto the Settings, Connections, use the Wi-fi Utility.
Ignore the Turn on and off button. Turn on is turn off, turn on is turn on.. that the only text bugs, but the software is working fine.
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it happened to me one time while trying to reflashed ROM. When im going to Wireless Manager, I cant open my wifi. But if im trying to open it in SPB Phone suite , its working...maybe try this software. download it and i will give to you the serial for registration. But first try if it is work then thats the time i will give to you...
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Thank you Jeffkewin and Generalriden,
Unfortunately, The solutions you proposed are not working. I have tried Phonesuite, Hitch-hiker and many more - none have worked.
I have also tried ignoring the text in the "Wifi utilities" application (In many different Rom versions) - still no good...
Has someone encountered the same problem and got it solved? Is there something about the Rom version that can fix this?
Thanks again,
Guy.
If you're using the official ROM and it's not working, then this is more hardware related. 'Fridge Theraphy' is not normal for your device. You have no choice but to go to service center, have it estimated for cost. You can buy now a brand new Atom at $250 or less.
Alternate solution would be a $50-$100 SDIO wifi card, but I think none would fit the miniSD slot.
There are miniSDIO wifis. They're pretty much the only miniSDIO devices. However, you're still better off getting a new device.
Sounds like your wifi module's overheating. This is a hardware problem (just like cracking speakers) and there's no way to fix it permanently short of a physical repair.
Good News
I had the same problem.
I tried almost every single possible solution which was discussed on this forum, including the Fridge Therapy. Fridge therapy really worked for a couple of minutes.
Finally, I took it to the service center and they said, the problem is with the board and the cost of repair is $400/-.
I was put off and challenged to see, something which works after the fridge therapy will stop working at room temperature.
Finally, I realized, the last thing beyond the ROM which I changed was the MS Active Sync. I had using Active Sync Ver 4.5. It seems to have some conflict. I reverted back to Active Sync Ver. 4.1 and reflased the original rom.
It worked and Active Sync Ver. 4.1 is working perfectly fine for my device. After the WiFi worked, I reflashed it to Jiggs latest WM6 ROM and its working well.
Might sound wiered, but the fact, I could resolve this issue by reverting back to Active Sync. 4.1.
Hope this helps to all dissappointed users of Atom.
Regards,
Anand
Anand Bhargava said:
I had the same problem.
I tried almost every single possible solution which was discussed on this forum, including the Fridge Therapy. Fridge therapy really worked for a couple of minutes.
Finally, I took it to the service center and they said, the problem is with the board and the cost of repair is $400/-.
I was put off and challenged to see, something which works after the fridge therapy will stop working at room temperature.
Finally, I realized, the last thing beyond the ROM which I changed was the MS Active Sync. I had using Active Sync Ver 4.5. It seems to have some conflict. I reverted back to Active Sync Ver. 4.1 and reflased the original rom.
It worked and Active Sync Ver. 4.1 is working perfectly fine for my device. After the WiFi worked, I reflashed it to Jiggs latest WM6 ROM and its working well.
Might sound wiered, but the fact, I could resolve this issue by reverting back to Active Sync. 4.1.
Hope this helps to all dissappointed users of Atom.
Regards,
Anand
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Dear Anand,
Thank you very much for your help.
I'm anxious to see if that's gonna work for me as well.
I'll try going back to AS 4.1 right now and will let you know.
Keep your fingers crossed for me!
Many thanks again!
Guy.
I'm happy for you mate, but that just sounds like the biggest load of bollocks I've ever heard it just proves how unpredictible and unreliable our Atoms are, my Wifi has also gone on the blink for one or two weeks at a time and then for no apparent reason it fixes itself. Although I suppose running the Atom Exec rom in the Atom doesnt help nor the fact we run overclock apps to 624MHZ
I have now finished downgrading to AS 4.1 and to the official ROM.
Unfortunately, that did not do the trick. Thinking about it, seems like Homer is right:
The AS doesn't start communicating with the device until its connected to the desktop, after the HR and the SR that follow the ROM upgrade. therefore, there's no obvious reason why it should affect the wifi module, which seems to be off even before that connection. In addition - Anand, how did you get the AS 4.1 to work with the WM6 ROM? Isn't AS 4.5 the only version that works with WM6?
As been said, our devices are totally unpredictable, which is really disappointing. I'm happy for you, for getting everything running, and I hope that my device will do that as well soon.
I'll be more than glad if someone here will be able to assist in that matter.
Thank you all,
Guy.
guysando said:
I have now finished downgrading to AS 4.1 and to the official ROM.
Unfortunately, that did not do the trick. Thinking about it, seems like Homer is right:
The AS doesn't start communicating with the device until its connected to the desktop, after the HR and the SR that follow the ROM upgrade. therefore, there's no obvious reason why it should affect the wifi module, which seems to be off even before that connection. In addition - Anand, how did you get the AS 4.1 to work with the WM6 ROM? Isn't AS 4.5 the only version that works with WM6?
As been said, our devices are totally unpredictable, which is really disappointing. I'm happy for you, for getting everything running, and I hope that my device will do that as well soon.
I'll be more than glad if someone here will be able to assist in that matter.
Thank you all,
Guy.
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i think guys,IMHO, if the problem doesnt have a solution, change mobile and get the better one. So far, my atom pure is working great so i can wait to buy an iphone ;-)
guysando said:
I have now finished downgrading to AS 4.1 and to the official ROM.
Unfortunately, that did not do the trick. Thinking about it, seems like Homer is right:
The AS doesn't start communicating with the device until its connected to the desktop, after the HR and the SR that follow the ROM upgrade. therefore, there's no obvious reason why it should affect the wifi module, which seems to be off even before that connection. In addition - Anand, how did you get the AS 4.1 to work with the WM6 ROM? Isn't AS 4.5 the only version that works with WM6?
As been said, our devices are totally unpredictable, which is really disappointing. I'm happy for you, for getting everything running, and I hope that my device will do that as well soon.
I'll be more than glad if someone here will be able to assist in that matter.
Thank you all,
Guy.
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I have not yet syncronized my device with WM6 and AS 4.1. I just used it to reflash the Atom.
Also, I have heard, of AS to have an impact on WiFi Connectivity in the past.
Mine is still working fine. Infact, WiFi with WM6 is working much better than WM5.
Also, another thing which my help to have a logical conclusion is the fact, that when I used to sync with my laptop's WiFi on, my PDA's WiFi used to dissappear and when the Laptop's WiFi was off, it used to work well.
To be honest, I tried many things, starting flashing the first Atom update to the cooked roms, with AS downgrade. I wanted to share my experience, was quite excited that it may help many other like me.
Feel sorry for you :-(
Regards,
Anand
WIFI mulfunction
It sounds completly reasonable - a sofware conflict.
I have the same the problem.
However, one morning after recharging my ATOM for a complete night, the WIFI module suddenly worked in the morning till I......used the active sync 4.5 to synchronize it.
I will try to reinstall the 4.1 version and see how it works for me.
Yaniv
Having read a lot of posts... both potentially apropos and perhaps diverse... from this August company of Ameo sages and mages, I have been moved to write to you to ask if there is something you can advise with respect to WM6 on our Ameo.
We have two such similar devices, both in T-Moble livery... with the nice leather book binding and the peculiarly useful pen pointer.
One arrived well-used with HTC Windoze mobile 2.21.405.2 on it, and the accompanying larger sized HTC home module, apparently of that period.
The other arrived practically new and boxed, with Windoze Mobile 2.35.110.4 on it, and the HTC Home characteristically implemented in the task bar area.
Being housebound disabled, the Tom Tom which came with it is virtually useles to me as well... so if anyone is desperately seeking one then we might arrange something.
The new unit came in and came up from cold. Not having a method whereby you can stop the branding process, as we do on our XDAIIs units, we were forced to permit that to continue... which was our first surprise. However that seems to bring in some benefits... in the shape of Opera and Tru-Flo... as well as a bit of T-Mobile dross too.
The HTC unit functions pretty well as far as I can see, and takes more or less everything you can give it to try. And it also starts on keyboard contact too.
The T-Mobile does not, and also needs to be re-set fairly often.
Too often for my money.
The HTC unit is unlocked as far as I know. The T-Mobile is awaiting a Pay-As-You-Go Card from me, and the use of the unlock code, which was obtained for us by the person who sold it to us.
The real tell for us (as mere users rather than mavens) was oddly enough, not with a performance tool kit or with any kind of enhancer, but with Hidden Expedition Titanic... of all things.
It works fine on HTC, but appears to glitch on the sound on the T-Mobile, and then hangs. Other similar softwares appear to do the same immediately after install, and then sometimes seem to operate as they should after a re-set. Astraware Solitaire WE and Robo, to name but two.
Going on from there, we got hold of Syberia. As big a test as you might want for this type of device I thought. That works pretty well again on the HTC, but inexplicably stalls on the T-Mobile far too frequently... necessitating a re-set. It is my impression that it does so if run from a previously closed session involving more or less any other task or purpose but can sometimes function adequately from a warm boot. (There are occasions with this unit when I'd like to implement the old MSDOS computer users saw... and give it a warm boot... AND also a HOT Wellie.)
Again, it is only my impression, but it seems that if I run Pocket Mechanic Ram Reclaimer on this unit, and then run Syberia, we seem to get a longer run without a freeze... sometimes to where I have to close in the normal course of events.
The same sort of thing... system hangs... happens now I have tried it... in Word. Especially when using Transcriber.
I have to say that I had perhaps unreasonably high hopes of that, having had a Toshiba Portege Tablet for a while now also, and having been quite surprised at how good the Tablet version of Windoze is at handwriting recognition on that. Most unlike Microshaft...
Then I thought that problems we had (and still do occasionally, albeit not requiring a re-set however) with the Tosh might be similar on the Ameo.
On the Tosh, as it arrived, we found the startup to be inundated with little Toshiba software modules... many of which were uneccessary. We improved boot times no end by taking a lot of them out... although live processing sometimes still has slow periods.
Notwithstanding however I tried to look at the Ameo in the same way.
In the startup there are around a half dozen files, aside from the obvious... Magic Button and X-Scalar that are there due to my efforts. And there seems to be little or no information as to what these are, or what they actually do... or more importantly... if they can be safely left out.
I've no doubt, from my reading here, that a simple answer from you all would be to install the unlocker and the forthcoming cooked ROM.
End of problem... perhaps.
However I tend to be a little more conservative (or timid perhaps?) with this concept... also noting those poor folks who have "bricked" their units too.
We have had excellent service from our XDAIIs units over the years, and they have been good companions when we needed them, as well as just phones. They are still operating with WM2002SE and still most software that I "find" seems to work on them... including the Ameo-Glitching Hidden Expedition Titanic I might add.
This week the chap next-door-but-one also got an Ameo... having seen ours and liked it.
His came out of the box with WM5 on it... possibly old stock?
However it set me thinking again and this has finally moved me to ask the assembled wise old Ameo-ers... if perhaps we would be as well reverting our new Ameo to WM5 too... for the time being at least... or if we might be better employed seeking something like the HTC version on our HTC unit?
Or perhaps some other solution presents itself to you from my description?
I'd like to get the new unit starting from keyboard connect also, if anyone has the fix.
The HTC unit came with a restore CD with WM5 on it... and not the HTC version which is presently installed on it's ROM. So I cannot just mirror it to the new unit.
There must be a concensus surely?
The units are manufactured similarly, by the same processes, and using basically the same internals.
We need a windoze version for these which settles down and does what it is supposed to with most of the software that is available.
At the present moment I have "ancient-egyptian" XDAIIs, which seriously outperform at least one new Ameo... in most respects... and that can't be right.
QF
Ameo
XDAIIs
HP Jornada 720
Atari Portfolio
Cliff Notes version? In 5 sentences or less, what are you asking?
Cliff Notes?? Who he??
I want the second to run as well as the first... and I'd like to know why it doesn't.
QF
techntrek said:
Cliff Notes version? In 5 sentences or less, what are you asking?
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quinbus_flestrin said:
Cliff Notes?? Who he??
I want the second to run as well as the first... and I'd like to know why it doesn't.
QF
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Hi
I feel you have lots of time to write on here. therefore you must have time to read about these threads before you try to mirror anything. If you do not understand fully you may brick your ameo.
To unlock the CID: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315831
Read the above thread fully
upgrade the radio: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372904&highlight=radio
Upgrade to AP3 DUAL Rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=346221
Both of your devices need to be unlocked if you want to upgrade another rom other than original ones. If you do not understand clearly please do not do any changes and read everything about athena.
Good luck
Microshaft Windoze,that's great.
I need help. I spent a week on vacation in Ireland and my little Ralphie let me down. I blush as I write this, but I was actually thinking about the dark side; …the fruit whose name we shall not mention. Talk me off the ledge.
Here is what happened.
I was on the 6 hour flight and decided to play with the phone a bit out of boredom. It was locked up.
No problem soft reset. Continued to lock-up.
No problem, PIM Backup, Hard reset. Then the keyboard would not switch to ABC from 123.
No problem, switch to another SIP. It would hold the change; it kept switching back to the ROM default. No problem, just use the hardware keyboard. A couple of great days in Ireland and it was time to take a quick phone pic to send home. Camera would not work; missed the moment. Fiddled with it a bit, could not get it to work.
No problem, hard reset and try again. Camera works now, keyboard seems to have fixed itself, but phone turns off randomly.
No problem, flash another ROM I have on my storage card. Everything works now except the phone. It has a signal for 5 minutes, then no signal for 5 minutes, over and over.
No problem, switch to manual network selection, could not access the settings.
No problem, hard reset. Works fine now. Ready to take a quick picture at a golf outing where I did not lug my Nikon around. Phone has turned itself off again, missed the moment. Time to surf up some quick directions, IE locks-up.
No Problem, switch to Opera, takes forever to load, my sister already has the directions on her damn iPhone before opera even loads. Crap ..my sister of all people.
So almost every time my cool phone was called into service, it let me down. This was an unusual run, but I spent more time fixing my phone than using it. In 7 days, 2 ROMS, 3 hard resets and more soft resets than I can count. Back home and it’s time to flash a new ROM. I am not defecting and certainly don’t want to open the “just go buy your damn iPhone” discussion: I’m just venting a bit. It just occurred to me that having a ton of great features that only work sometimes, is almost like not having them at all.
I’ll be quiet now.
Doug M.
Here is the advice - keep this great phone, but don't use any of the cooked ROMs, just use the latest official HTC WWE ROM (in combo with 1.12.25.19 radio) - no bugs at all. Every single feature works like a charm - camera, GPS, keyboard, hardware keyboard, Opera, messaging etc. I have never ever seen any bug with that ROM, and I'm using it extensively for months. Cheers
Well, the HTC WWE 5.05.405.1 stock ROM is not bug free but it certainly exhibits considerably less problems.
I always keep the stock NBH on my SD Card on the off-chance that I need to fall back. Now that I have gotten into the habit of compiling my own ROM using the 6.1.21051 kitchen, I've not run into a need to use it - but it's always there just in case, like Linus van Pelt's security blanket.
... sounds like chef'ing might be in your horizon.
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Well, the HTC WWE 5.05.405.1 stock ROM is not bug free
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That's interesting. What bugs have you found so far? I cannot recall any of them, at least I'm sure that there are no serious problems. And I'm using all the features - so called "power user".
Most of these items are easily addressed with some tweak or other and some of the issues are carrier compatibility related, so all-in-all it's as stable a ROM as one can possibly expect. A few I've experienced:
- Dropped calls
- SMS not delivered
- Volume too low
- Some applications will not install
- In-call blanking of display; PITA when using VoiceMail
- Poor design for phone security lock; two different ways, should only be one with/without security code
[BEGINSOAPBOX]
I'm Old Sk00l customer service.
I'm of the mindset that a company should not release a product that has not gone through a complete and formal quality assurance process. Further, if there are settings that are known to require tweaking or adjustments, an interface should contain these options to make it easy for the customer to change them.
I've heard every excuse in the book: can't be done, time to market, we'll fix it when the customer finds it, acceptable risk, it's a fault on the <insert partner names here> end of the code, blah blah blah; and quite honestly, I disagree with all of them as the message is the same:
Strive for mediocrity.
Please don't misunderstand my next statement, I welcome sites like XDA (and others) and my involvement here, hopefully proves that. That said, sites like XDA wouldn't be required if companies were more concerned about their customers, less concerned about share-holder dividends, and held the <insert partner names here> accountable for fixing issues promptly.
[/ENDSOAPBOX]
Sorry Doug, didn't mean to hi-jak the thread.
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Most of these items are easily addressed with some tweak or other and some of the issues are carrier compatibility related, so all-in-all it's as stable a ROM as one can possibly expect. A few I've experienced:
- Dropped calls
- SMS not delivered
- Volume too low
- Some applications will not install
- In-call blanking of display; PITA when using VoiceMail
- Poor design for phone security lock; two different ways, should only be one with/without security code
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The first two are radio or carrier related, not ROM's fault. I have had these problems maybe 2 times in several months, but I know exactly who to blame - my carrier. I know that 'cause I work for them , and both times there was a major network overload. You're right about the volume - I've solved that first day I bought Raph, so I forgot it. However, I don't think it's a bug - they did it on purpose so that's the "feature". I think they wanted to avoid possibility of damaging hearing of customers and also distortion.
Regarding last 3 bugs, I have never had problems with installing apps, and I think there were about 1000 programs I've tried so far; I'm not using voice mail; Never had problems with security lock. All in all, this is the most stable (smart)phone I have ever used, and I've used many Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, Siemens etc. phones.
No disagreement with the stability statement; and as my previous post indicated ... most issues can be addressed via a workaround (tweak). Just wanted to ensure that Doug was aware that it isn't going to be the perfect ROM either.
Seems like we have a common history for phone usage; I've been with Rogers longer than I've been married, and that's been a LONG time - no disrespect to my significant other, so i've gone through quite a few phones.
@dwmackay:
Bummer dude! After many many days of studying our current set of tools and the way they interact with things, I think there are a number of minor to medium severity issues that need to be addressed, I feel at least one or two of these could be lending help towards making a cooked rom unstable.
I hope to be able to re-code some of these tools soon (time, i wish i had more!)
Much coding is in my future!
Boyz,
Thanks for the replies. Sorry to dump, just a frustrating trip. It seems like a good idea to keep a stock ROM on my storage card. Maybe I'll use NATF 4.7 as my backup ROM. That seems to be the best balance of features and stability.
I realy like 6.5, but I am realy for it to have predicatable behavior.
Da_G,
No extra work on my behalf. You do more than enough for all of us. I greatly appreciate your considerable contribution to this community.
Doug M.
I actually had a similar experience on a work trip (totally my fault). To cut a long story short, be careful about using pim.vol to restore yout pim info. I had pim.vol cooked into my rom, but I flashed a version that was a day or two old. I had new contacts, and instead of backing them up and restoring them with pimbackup, I over-wrote the cooked-in pim.vol with a fresh one from my sd card. Any time I touched the contact tab, it sent manila into a never-ending boot cycle (I did several hard. resets and a re-flash before I realized my error). It took me a while to figure out what I was screwing up, and was really frustrating.
So I was stupid and left my Sprint Hero phone in my shorts and my wife washed them, so goodbye phone. I luckily have two PPC 6800 phones that I can use in the mean time. Im definitely going to miss having an android 2.3 phone though. Any recommendations for making this phone not suck as much over the next month while I wait to see what new phone im going to get? I am not 100% what custom rom is on it now, its from June of 2008 though. Could be 6.5, but its been forever since Ive been in the windows mobile arena. My only needs are exchange support (sync email, contacts, calendar) and basic phone use. I dont even use a bluetooth. Would be useful to be able to use it as a hotspot for my android tablet, but not 100% needed as this is only temporary.
Suggestions? Thanks!
http://www.ppckitchen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1734
you can ask their for details on what bootloader and radio your phone should be at.
That is the only place I can find current ROMs for the titan.
If you find this useful, you can hit thanks.
I just installed Ryan Moguls 6.5 light rom, but its from last year. Seems the link you posted to a rom is still actively being used. Think that might be a better choice?
I do.
And Tink will help if you have problems. I have it on three phones now.