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I don't really need a GPS but I thought it might be kinda interesting to get a cheap'n'cheerful unit and then probably the basic Microsoft streetmaps package for a bit of fun. I don't want to spend a lot, but obviously I would still like it to work! I've narrowed it down to one of two GPS units, and I wonder if anyone here has any comments on them?
BT-77 (£39.99 plus VAT from http://www.inter-activeinformation.com/uk/product_info.php?products_id=31)
8590 (£39.95 inc VAT from http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/8590.htm)
* They both have USB and in-car cigarette-lighter style chargers, which will allow me charge my MDA Vario in the car too, so that's useful.
* The 8590 uses the same Li-ion battery as my old Nokia phone, so that could give me an extra charged battery to keep in the car.
* The 8590 also has a USB port, as well as the Bluetooth connection, so I could connect it directly into my laptop if I wanted to - although I do have a bluetooth dongle for the laptop anyway, so that's not really a major factor.
* The BT-77 has 16 channels while the 8590 only has 12 - how much of a factor to consider is that?
* The BT-77 appears to have slightly better battery life, according to the comments I've seen.
* The BT-77 is a bit more expensive and has a two-week delivery wait at the moment (not critical, no real urgency).
So - does anyone have any experience with either of these units and might care to comment on which would be best, or anything else for me to bear in mind?
Regards,
Andre (very new to this whole GPS lark!)
I use a Fuzion Solar GPS which has a solar panel to keep it charged up. It was £59 from next Generation Sales on Ebay. After a little bit of a sweat trying to set it up with TomTom 5 I've been pretty impressed with it.
It apparently works for 30hours but I haven't had cause to check it as it's not used that long and I leave it by the window when not in use. It uses a Nok3650 replaceable battery so you could keep a spare in the unlikely event of it running flat.
For those with similar problems you need to search for the device in Bluetooth and accept the serial port option. In Windows Make sure blutooth is switched on then go to the CABLE settings in TomTom and set the Baud Rate to 38400. Then click done and go to other bluetooth gps device and in my case it was now available on com 6.
i bought the 8590 from mobilefun last week, it was a good little device but i found it a bit too slow to get a lock, especially in london, sometimes it never got a lock
I returned it and have now got a Holux GPSlim236, which was 70 notes, but you certainly get what you pay for. This device gets a lock a lot quicker and is more appears more precise than the 8590. It also has a usb charger, pairs with Tomtom no problems and is slighty smaller than the 8590.
Perhaps i could have lived with the cheaper device, but now i have the holux i dont think i would go back...
andrewilley said:
I don't really need a GPS but I thought it might be kinda interesting to get a cheap'n'cheerful unit and then probably the basic Microsoft streetmaps package for a bit of fun. I don't want to spend a lot, but obviously I would still like it to work! I've narrowed it down to one of two GPS units, and I wonder if anyone here has any comments on them?
BT-77 (£39.99 plus VAT from http://www.inter-activeinformation.com/uk/product_info.php?products_id=31)
8590 (£39.95 inc VAT from http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/8590.htm)
* They both have USB and in-car cigarette-lighter style chargers, which will allow me charge my MDA Vario in the car too, so that's useful.
* The 8590 uses the same Li-ion battery as my old Nokia phone, so that could give me an extra charged battery to keep in the car.
* The 8590 also has a USB port, as well as the Bluetooth connection, so I could connect it directly into my laptop if I wanted to - although I do have a bluetooth dongle for the laptop anyway, so that's not really a major factor.
* The BT-77 has 16 channels while the 8590 only has 12 - how much of a factor to consider is that?
* The BT-77 appears to have slightly better battery life, according to the comments I've seen.
* The BT-77 is a bit more expensive and has a two-week delivery wait at the moment (not critical, no real urgency).
So - does anyone have any experience with either of these units and might care to comment on which would be best, or anything else for me to bear in mind?
Regards,
Andre (very new to this whole GPS lark!)
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I use the GlobalSat BT-338 receiver which has 3rd generation SiFr processor, can lock 20 satelites. I use Destinator mapping software on my Wizard. Go to buyGPSnow.com for good prices and support. Good luck.
Thanks for the advice everyone, I've just bought a Holux 236 on eBay for £57 (plus import duties when it arrives from far off lands).
So if it doesn't work, I'll be coming after you Lyallb...
Andre
I second the Holux 236. I'm in Shanghai and consistently get a 10-bird lock within two minutes of turning it on. However, the first unit I bought had a bad bluetooth radio and had to be returned.
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Thanks for the advice everyone, I've just bought a Holux 236 on eBay for £57 (plus import duties when it arrives from far off lands).
So if it doesn't work, I'll be coming after you Lyallb...
Andre
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Ive heard the ones you get from overseas are a bit dodgy... :wink:
im confident i wont have to look over my shoulder....
BT-77
I have a BT GPS that is the same make as the BT-77 but branded under another name (Wonde-X BT GPS).
It sometimes takes ages to lock on, and this is with the plug in antenna.
Then on some days it takes 30 seconds, so I really don't know. There are better BT GPS out there, so I would give this one a miss if you have another option.
lyallb said:
Ive heard the ones you get from overseas are a bit dodgy... :wink:
im confident i wont have to look over my shoulder....
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I guess I'm in a bit of a Catch 22 situation then. If the GPS works fine, I won't need to find you... but if I can't get the GPS to work, I won't be able to find you!
Andre
gps
I have a polestar BT gps which I aquired from http://www.deluoelectronics.com. I like it a lot, it works well, about the size of a zippo cigarette lighter, and the 3 ni-mh AAA batteries last a long time (although after having it about 18 months I finally had to replace the ones that came with the unit, something about being left in my jeep and freezing in the winter and melting in the summer )
This unit is small enough to toss in your pocket, the batteries are placed on the bottom so if it sits on your dash its not top heavy. Even has some rubber feet so it doesnt slide all over. In my jeep (which I take off roads quite often) it has never fallen over which suprises me becuase a few times my jeep almost fell over
Solarius V3 Bluetooth GPS Receiver is great
I just bought Solarius V3 Bluetooth GPS Receiver with Tom Tom software - it is simply great. I'm using it my Cingular 8125 (HTC Wizard). The pairing was a breeze, getting Tom Tom to activate was another matter.
The GPS unit has solar panel for backup power - supposedly lasting for as much as 30 hours between charges. Here's a link to where I got it from:
http://www.semsons.com/soblgpsspofa.html
jwzg said:
I second the Holux 236. I'm in Shanghai and consistently get a 10-bird lock within two minutes of turning it on.
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Well that was pretty painless... The Holux 236 arrived this morning (Monday - and I only paid for it on eBay last Tuesday and it had to come from Taiwan to the UK!) Nothing extra to pay at the door either, which was good news.
First reaction: Gosh, it's tiny isn't it?!! I almost thought they'd forgotten to put the GPS unit in the box! For anyone who's not got one, it's far smaller than half the size of the Wizard.
Second reaction: Bluetooth connected perfectly, first time. Couldn't get GPS software to see the unit at first - until I remembered to create an outgoing COM port in the Bluetooth Config screen, after which it all worked straight away. My phone talked me all the way to work half an hour later, how cute is this technology?
Thanks to everyone for all the advice.
Andre
I've got a Holux GPSlim 236 for almost a year now and for me it the best ever. It worked with my Magician and now with my Wizard. When it has a lock it stays locked even when i'm in side my house. You can navigate to the toilet if you want!
It's lays in the back of my car in a closed compartment were it has a 12V connection. When i fire up TomTom it's up and running in 3 seconds.
So you understand by now that i recommend the Holux GPSlim 236.
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It's lays in the back of my car in a closed compartment were it has a 12V connection. When i fire up TomTom it's up and running in 3 seconds.
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I was thinking of doing that too. Do you just leave it switched on all the time, and is it only supplied with power with the ignition switch? Using a permanent 12v supply seems a good idea, and would keep the internal battery trickle-charged, but I wondered whether it might run down the car battery if left parked for a while as the receiver & bluetooth would always be running? On the other hand, if it's on a switched power supply, the Li-ion battery will continue to drain and go flat overnight while the car is parked, and then start re-charging when you're driving, which as far as I know isn't ideal for Li-ion batteries.
Andre
marshall_teller said:
When it has a lock it stays locked even when i'm in side my house. You can navigate to the toilet if you want!
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Bloody hell, how big is your house.....!!!! :lol:
Anyone have experience with the i-Blue Receiver? I like the sleep mode...goes into super-low powermode until a paired device tries to access it again. You can get several weeks of usage on a charge this way. Reviews are good and the price isn't bad.
Anyone have experience with the i-Blue Receiver
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I have been using one of these for the last 6 months. It's great. Never seems to run out and locks on Sats very quickly too.
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Anyone have experience with the i-Blue Receiver
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I have been using one of these for the last 6 months. It's great. Never seems to run out and locks on Sats very quickly too.
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Excellent! I'm having a hard time keeping myself from buying one. Hell, I don't even have a car nor do I travel all that much and I know NYC like the back of my hand. I need an excuse to buy one so the girlfriend doesn't freak out! Maybe I'll get into geocaching...hmm..
guys i bought a iBlue and am trying to pair it with the wizard... no luck. I can see the device in BlueTooth settings but it will not catch a signal
Pocket Streets
Earthcomber
or GPSView will not show any location????
help any suggestions
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guys i bought a iBlue and am trying to pair it with the wizard... no luck. I can see the device in BlueTooth settings but it will not catch a signal
help any suggestions
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Have you set up a new outgoing COM port in your bluetooth setup screen? (I set mine up for COM7, which was free) Everything worked fine after that.
Andre
After some advice. I am slowly getting through the suite of products. Was a proud owner of a Wizard, currently using a Tornado, but am very interested in the StarTrek.
Can anyone offer some advice on the difference between the 2 products and what people recommend. I'm tempted to change to go for the smaller flip style set up as my only problem with PDA Phone devices has always been the size.
Any advice much appreciated.
I personally LOVE the Flip phone
Owning both I do believe the Tornado is the better device, but I think the Qtek 8500 aka HTC StrTrk is way more sexy.
My personal pro's and cons:
- 8500 lighter then the Tornado, it's also thinner so easier to take with you.
- 8500 clamshell design protects the display.
- 8500 keyboard is way easier to use with one hand, Tornado's keys are very small and close to each other, to small and close for one hand use (without dropping the phone).
- 8500 is black.
- 8500 is cheaper.
- 8500 supports A2DP profile, but....
- 8500 has lousy sound quality since it play's soundfiles at the lowest sound quality. The 200Mhz CPU can hardly handle the A2DP profile as it is built in the 8500, that's why the factory setting is set to play at the lowest sound quality. One needs to (security-) unlock the phone to alter registry settings and to make the 8500 play at a higher quality. To get these files to play at a higher quality without clipping, you need to overclock the processor with OmapClock to at least 240Mhz.
So... the Tornado is the better MP3 player. There is a world of difference here!! I'm sure A2DP profile will be available for the Tornado in the next ROM update, untill then you can use the Tornado A2DP patch someone made to get your Bluetooth Stereo Profile. It works better then the built in A2DP profile in the 8500...
- Tornado has WiFi.
- Tornado has much better battery life, there's a difference in day's here.
- Tornado has slightly better sound quality during phone calls.
- Tornado has a standard mini-USB connector for connection to your PC.
- Tornado has a standard 2.5mm jack for your headset.
- Tornado uses Mini-SD (2GB capacity soon 4GB capacity) instead of the 8500's Micro-SD (1GB capacity soon 2GB capacity).
So a few points to consider. I must say I use the 8500 more than the Tornado due to it's lesser weight and more sexy looks. But if you intend to listen to music a lot with your phone, go for the Tornado. WiFi is a strong consideration too. If both points are of no importance to you, you might want to keep some money in your pocket and go for the slim and black (or pink if you want) 8500.
Good luck with deciding
roma!
I totaly agree, you could not put it beter.
I also having 3 devices prefer the 8500 since the clamshel design is really, really handy (even if it only for a reason that you do not need to lock the keys after you use the phone aslip it in the pocket, and then unlock them first before use)
And the 8500 is Sooooooooo Sexy....
I also find it more comfortable to talk to since when you talk with it it forms like a cradle around your fase..
Many thanks Guys for your help....really appreciate it.
Really fancy the startrek. Only concerns now will be whether I can cope with the weaker battery (although I could get a spare), and how the startrek would deal with Tomtom mobile - although I'm still having trouble getting that to work with my Tornado (despite calling my external GPS receiver 'GPS').
Anyway, thanks again...PNA
QTEK 8500 works perfect with TOMTOM Mobile 5 by me. I use it on a daily basis. I did have to get the latest version though form t-mobile site I beleive version 5.20
Also I had to application unlock the phone, which is a simple registry tweak. MAKE SURE you do the reg tweak first before you install TomTom since if you do that after you shall need to activate TT5 again since the device ID changes. Very weird, and I had the problem. It took me two weeks to get throught to TT support what exactly happend.
Same here, no problem with TomTom Mobile 5.20. Also application/security unlocked the phone before installing TTM5. Use is every day. Since yesterday have me a Brodit passive holder with a car charger for the 8500 so battery life is good enough for me. Battery life is shorter then the Tornado but hasn't got me in any trouble so far.
yea, I also can say that with normal use it lasts about two days, although I do turn it off at night. I love the smartphone feature to be able to switch the phone off. Because in my MDA Vario and PRO I have to turn the flight mode on in order to be off line.
If I get the choise it would definitely be the startrek. Very very handy and confortable to use. I have not got a tornado, but always had a phone with the keys in front and hated it always. Now the fact that it is a clamshel design it is great.
Ive been using the Globalsat BT 359 w/ my wizard and it's great so far.
But, Im wondering if Im wasting money.
Ive got the Data Unlimited Plan w/ Telenav GPS service coming in at around $50 monthly.
Ive seen some ppl using the Navizon P2P Wireless Positioning with the Local option for free.
So my question for all the GPS users is,"what's the best setup?" And/or the cheapest?
I got an iBlue BT GPS receiver off eBay for $80 including the car vent mount for my Tmo MDA. The software can be pricey if you can't find a free copy, but once you have that, you don't have to pay anything monthly. You don't even need to have data on your account.
Anybody know what would be the best BT GPS receiver for being wired into my car for power??
I basically want to leave the receiver in the car at all times and be able to connect to it when needed and not have to worry about it being charged and such.
Thanx!
Try then Rikaline GPS-6033 which can be found on eBay for 50-70. I had never heard of this brand or even know how reputable it is, but their reciever has an auto function, which, when attached to the car via the included charger, and set on "auto" mode, it will turn on and off automatically with your car so you never have to worry about battery.
I also wanted this feature so I took a chance on the reciever and have been quite happy with is so far.
It also comes with magenteic mounts so you can keep the reciever secure in your car.
Running with Holux236 and TomTom 6 with my Wizard. Works like a charm. No problems.
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Thameth said:
Anybody know what would be the best BT GPS receiver for being wired into my car for power??
I basically want to leave the receiver in the car at all times and be able to connect to it when needed and not have to worry about it being charged and such.
Thanx!
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Any of them will do just get a hardwire kit from Best Buy or something and tap into your fuse box or a hot wire in the steering column, I have mine hook up to my wiper fuse so it'll be on only when the car is on.
garmin gps10
I have the Garmin GPS 10. It is bluetooth and works with my laptop as well. Not real fond of the included software, wish I had TomTom.
http://www.garmin.com/products/gps10/
It seems to slow my processor to a crawl, so I currently use it in my car with an old HP ipaq 5450 and no longer have it installed on my Cingular 8125.
-Go0se
"God bless Bob Stoops and God bless America."
dodgy said:
Running with Holux236 and TomTom 6 with my Wizard. Works like a charm. No problems.
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I'm using the Holux GPSlim 236 as well. I think i read that it can be hard wired and has the logic built in. I recommend it. No problems with mine whatsoever.
I picked it up on ebay for about $75 and it included the asskorn vent mount that I use on my desk as a stand...it works perfect.
GPSSlim 236
it is simply flawless.
GPS
I couldn't get my GPS Garmin 10 to work with my MDA (TMO) but after the upgrade to 2.26 I was able to turn on the GPS control icon in settings/system. You need to edit the registry (I got a copy of Kilmist) and in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ControlPanel\GPS Settings
delete the "redirect" key (I have no keys in GPS Settings).
This turns on the GPS icon.
I do find it a bit of a pain to connect, but that's because the MDA doesn't have the "Connect?" choice for devices. My older IPAQ 6315 and my cell phone allow you pick a device, then say connect. I find a lot of devices are tougher to connect via B/T than they should be..I don't know how to get around it. Why they couldn't just have a "Connect This Device?" option is beyond me.
I have had 2 Holux236 units that the bluetooth just stoped working on, The light wouldn't even come on. I am thinking about trying an i-blue.
im using the i-blue 737 and very happy with it.
i had some problems with the wm5 gps multi-plexer .. and trying to use telenav + windows live at the same time. so i havent been doing that lately... now that i have a fresh install with a molski rom (my old tmobile rom install was a bit buggy for some reason.... i think it was the chinese ebay sd card i had in there before i got this sandisk ultra II mobile when i did my molski reload)
but , so far so good .. the 737 seems to be very nice
cheap..32 channel (supposedly)...good power...it seems that the 737 (MTK chipset) or any SIRF III chipset module is the way to go.... with the SIRF III being the more standard choice.
i like the telenav..its ok.. its cool that there is no real local install... i do hate the way that the UI seems to 'take over' since i cant use my software kbd if i want to put something in quickly without sliding it open to landscape... other than that its just fine.. but the monthly rate seems a bit annoying.
also they did not offer a t-mobile version..so i signed up saying i had cingular.. downloaded the wm5 install they had for cingular.... installed that client.. and went to the telenav website and changed my profile to say i had a blackberry on t-mobile...works fine.
i think im going to be giving tomtom and iguidance a shot... when i was doing some research they seemed to be the 2 leaders...telenav is ok...but again..$10/mo gets old.
so far i have tried tomtom and iguidance and i like iguidance v3.0 the best. I have a HoluxGPSlim SiRF III bluetooth GPS receiver and its the best combo i can find so far. The only problem is that it can be buggy at times. The gps is fine, but the iguidance is kind of buggy. If you don't enter a destination right after opening the program and then try to press Menu, it pulls up a bar at the bottom for "file, tools, view, etc" and the map freezes. BUT, that is the only grip i have with iGuidance. When i hit a traffic jam i just close out iGuidance and pull up Map4PDA and connect my gps and zoom out to see where it picks back up and then jump off the freeway and take city streets till I'm back in the green and then jump back on.( Map4PDA isn't voice promted, but it does have up-to-date traffic and that is the perfect combo for me.) Wish there was a program that did both and didn't have any bugs. (Bugs have been the same since I owned a stock 8125 and gone through EVERY ROM on this site.) But so far, the new 3.3 V2 rom is the best working, and fastest to boot!
GPS
I use tomtom 6 navigator software with north america maps on a 2gb and Pharos gps reciever w/ the bluetooth adaptor. tomtom seems to be the best navi progi for me
The Holux Gpslim 236 has a proper on/off switch which allows you to hide the unit in your car somewhere and leave it powered from the car battery or wire it in via the ignition sytem. Most other GPS units have a "soft" on/off button and will need to be switched on manually, apart from the rickaline one which senses the car being started and stopped. Tomtom6 works flawlessly on my xda mini-s and cleans up after being unloaded (no memory leaks).
Regards
Riptos
Is there any freeware for Telenav on the Tilt
than paying $10 per month
like we did on the Mobi Tv & Xm Radio
SPECTEC GPS anyone?
Has enyone tried using the SPECTEC BlueTooth GPS RECEIVER 813 (Mini SD ). Seems to be a pretty good GPS device.
I am interested in buying it. thought I will ask of any experiences.
Upinder
US TMO G3 with
ROM Version 10.1.0.811 WWE
Radio Version 2.25.11
Protocol Versio 4.1.13.12
SINGH Mobile 6 ROM
bt gps
I just got a globalsat bt gps recr for Christmas and it has been great. mine is g33 for around $50 w/ a vent or sticky mount from buygpsnow.com
It has worked pretty well with Delorme Street Atlas plus 2008.
Any recommendations for a GOOD & COMPACT
Bluetooth GPS ???
It should be sirf3 compatible, be able to work 12 satelites,
have a good battery life
and has to be as compact as possible (with the above specs in mind)
what works ??
also, what software do you recommend?
I've heared there's also a more "garmin" like app for "outdoor stuff"...??
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sirf3 and good battery life is tough. The MTK devices tend to have double the battery life. The downside of the MTK devices is that they do not do pedestrian navigation well. I believe that have the static navigation on, whereas its off on the sirf3 devices. That or its the other way around.
Don't know about all that stuff, BUT!!!
I just got the Garmin Mobile 10 GPS with Mobile NT software. Works great! Lots of features! It's small and comes with a belt clip so you can take it Geocaching!
check this out http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BT-5&cat=GPS&cpc=GPSbsc
Im planing to buy one of these soon
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HOLUX-GPSli...oryZ4668QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem
I bought one of these for like $50 on ebay, Its so tiny and works great. I hang mine from my rearview mirror.
Some sites you may want to check out include:
semsons.com
buygpsnow.com
I hear the Visiontac VGPS-700 is the smallest reciever around. As for software, iguidance, tomtom, mio are just a few.
I can also recommend the Holux GPSlim 236. Amazingly fast acquisition.
GPS4EvyOne took FOUR days to even ship it to me, though, even though I paid for Express Mail. Bought on Thursday, shipped on Monday. That blows.
im using i-Trek M6 Bluetooth GPS Receiver on my MDA with Tomtom 6 and it works great... tried the Holux 236 and it works fine too only try not to drop it or the bluetooth function will start malfunctioning.
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check this out http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BT-5&cat=GPS&cpc=GPSbsc
Im planing to buy one of these soon
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Anyone else try this one? Looking for a receiver to use with my 8125 for usage on my motorcycle primarily.
Software wise. If you're looking for a more outdoor type software try MemoryMap. Believe it has a free trial too.
Try: http://www.memory-map.co.uk/
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looney_loey said:
im using i-Trek M6 Bluetooth GPS Receiver on my MDA with Tomtom 6 and it works great... tried the Holux 236 and it works fine too only try not to drop it or the bluetooth function will start malfunctioning.
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I've got this problem with my Holux 236 too. Is there a cure (apart from buying a new one)? What's Holux's UK service / guarantee like, as this unit is about 18 months old and the Bluetooth has been dodgy for at least 6 months.
Andre
what would be a good GPS for the 8125?
Pretty much any unit with a Sirf III chipset will work very well with the Wizard. www.buygpsnow.com and www.semsons.com offer hardware/software bundles that can save you some $$$.
Check http://geeks.com/ they got good deals on gps adapters if you want to save $$
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Pretty much any unit with a Sirf III chipset will work very well with the Wizard. www.buygpsnow.com and www.semsons.com offer hardware/software bundles that can save you some $$$.
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Any idea if the Garmin GPS 10 has this chipset?
Navi GT-11 is a model of some note since it is water resistance. But is it wizard resistant?
G
Using a Holux M1000 with no complaints.
VERY fast startup/warm up time. Ive got it under the front seat of the car and usually receive 8-10 sats.
Picked it up on fleaBay for $20-30 (if I remember). ;-)
Try Beeline GPS its pretty cool for nav stuff.
Both Googlemaps and MSlive search work fine.
My Holux M1200 very tiny and powerful!
Hi,
The RoyalTek RBT-1000 GPS Receiver is very good. It's a bluetooth device. i use it with iGO my way 2006 plus.
http://www.royaltek.com/index.php/content/view/99/81/
Tip: ebay ca. 40€
The Garmin GPS 10 will work with the MDA but you need to go into the registry and turn on the GPS icon so you can select which port it uses. There's threads that tell you how to do this. I had to do that.
I don't know what the internal chip is, but the GPS 10 uses up to 12 sats and usually locates really quickly. I even stuck it on the roof of the WhiteHorse Pass Train in Alaska and it worked perfectly all the way up.
I got the GPS 10 originally to use with the IPAQ 6315 (which had better B/T support by far and didn't need the GPS icon) and it was fine (except the 6315 is a POS that crashes all the time--MDA is far better).
I couldn't connect it to the MDA until I updated the firmware from T-Mobile and then modified the registry to reveal the hidden GPS icon--it's there, but T-Mo blocks it.
Once you figure it out (it's a little byzantine) the GPS 10 works great with the MDA. Once you figure out the correct steps.