OK, so I am seeing all those tasty looking 32GB, 64 GB and larger solid state hard drives.
Is it conceptually feasible that the Athena could take one of these???
Think of the possibilities, the Athena could truly be a UMPC, much like the Sony UX series.
Keith Walker
Nope.. Sorry.. The HD in the Athena is a stripped down 1.8in drive so its actually a bit smaller. The 2nd gotcha is that the interface is not a standard connector, thus nothing else will work (For now).
that 32 gb ssd is about 2200 USD
if u really wanna put that on ur athean =x
not true boinger66... 32gb is only $549 for sandisk ssd
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=341-4872
It seems the smallest SSD's out there are 1.8 inch which are still too big for the Athena, whose hard drive is more like 1.0 inch(?).
FWIW, the connector is important too, and I beleive that the type of connector the Athena uses is identical to the type available on the new SSD's.
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.....and I beleive that the type of connector the Athena uses is identical to the type available on the new SSD's.
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Why do you believe that? Got any links to back it up?
if u want flash u have to go CF with a converter to connect thats it, unless you want to cut the caseing and tape the ssd on the back
WAIT i have the best idea to get flash memory it the x7500........................
insert this thing thats small it really mini like an SD card but mini
This thread details the connector, 'PATA ZIF':
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306239&page=3
Spec:
http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.92382478a130ca1492480021aac4f0a0/
Here is at least one 1.8 (won't fit) that has the same connector:
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32322/135/
Let's hope that SSD's shrink down to Hitachi Microdrive dimensions, then we will have a true UMPC!
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not true boinger66... 32gb is only $549 for sandisk ssd
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=341-4872
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yea woops i was thinking about the one for computers =x
OK, if not 1.8 will a 1.3 HDD fit in the Athena???
http://www.gearlog.com/2007/12/samsung_to_show_worlds_first_1.php
Hopefully the CES show will lauch some tiny SSD drives. I could go for a flash based 1TB drive in the Athena, lol....
Even with a terabyte of solid-state, its still not a "UMPC", as UMPCs are known on the market today. Don't get me wrong, I love my Athena and I certainly think of it as a much more of an ultra-mobile PC than a proper "UMPC". Inputs, outputs, ability to run just about any utility app you could want, it has everything. The only thing it lacks is high-capacity storage like a true UMPC and I know that's the point you are making. For me that won't be an issue since 8GB (plus 8+GB on the SD card) is more than enough for a ton of tunes, several movies, and all the apps I'll ever use.
I don't mean to split hairs, but whoever comes out with a PDA sized device that place calls, get email and has an SSD over 64GB, will get my money.
What I do is to install all applications either in microdrive or the device. music and video files go to the storage cards. Because no application is on the storage card, I'm able to swap my storage cards like I would with dvd disks. This means I have the ability to have whatever amount of storage as I want. Currently with about 80 applications installed, i've used less than 10% of the available space on microdrive. I should never ever need all the 8gb of microdrive storage space. I do have at least 20gb of music files, and these go to the storage cards. If I select only the 5 star rated songs, all would fit into one 4gb storage card without problem. I'm now eyeing the 8 gb storage cards though.
In short, I don't feel there is a need to install bigger size SSD, although it would be nice if this can be done.
eaglesteve said:
In short, I don't feel there is a need to install bigger size SSD, although it would be nice if this can be done.
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I do wonder if there are limits to the ultimate storage capacity with WM6 architecture?
Limits being?:
Expansion card size
Hard drive upgrade
one major point i see in this upgrade even if its a minor size upgrade will be its durability.ive owned my wizard for 2 years and ive put it through so tough falls and what not.not saying thats gonna happen with my athena,but not having a problimatic microdrive would be a plus,big plus.
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Is there some software for PockePC, that would emulate "USB Mass Storage Device"? I want to use my XDA as mobile memory and want to be usable everywhere without installing drivers on PC computer.
McLEI
Please let me know, if you find something.
Thanks.
I found this while looking for something else.
It may be what you are looking for.
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/usbmassstoragedriver.shtml
Scott
salbiani said:
I found this while looking for something else.
It may be what you are looking for.
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No, this is the other way around: it makes host-enabled PPC devices talk to disks, it doesn't make the PPC a disk. And the XDA cannot do host mode, so we can't use it...
Well, you could carry a USB infrared adapter with you everywhere you go! Infrared works quite well for just file transfers.
A better solution...
Hi guys,
I've found the best solution for this kind of thing is to get a usb-key like the Sandisk Cruzer which accepts SD cards. The biggest advantage is speeeeed. I use it to transfer my files to the XDA instead of activesync because it is so much faster. Easy to carry around too
Mine came with a 256mb card for AU$160 (about 65 uk pound or approx US$100).
Why not carry a usb sd card reader writer, it is autodetected, no software needed and is the simplest way of tranferring files between multiple machines. And its cheap.
this one is pretty damm small
http://www.sandisk.com/consumer/cruzer.asp
this one is usb2 but it looks a bit larger
http://www.sandisk.com/consumer/sng_usb2.asp
i think they also have some mem even without a sdram in them
like an usbkeyring but i'm not sure
i have the sandisk cruzer 128mb
i usually leave it in my car... if i ever goto a friends house or to work on someones pc, i can run out to the car and grab 128mb to take with me. hell of alot easier than using multiple floppies or burning a cd just to transfer a few files...
definately a cool product thow. especially transfering things to a card that can be used in the xda cause they both use the same card.
cruzer even works on my apple ibook g4.
i think now they sell them with 256mb cards...
-Mario
Click here!
Click on "Larger Image" to see it in its full glory!
I'm def getting one of 'em!
I couldn't go back to 1 measly gig now :wink:
With CardExport your Pocket PC serves as a card reader for your card. no need for that.
What if you want to transfer data between somene elses pc and you don't have the cradle???
I deal for backup on the go!
I use a usb/qtek cable. I allways carry it with my, for file transfer and charger porposes.
For those other cases I'm without cable, I have a 5 dolar pendisk much cheaper! I still get to keep my 1Gb super-cheap plain SDcard on my qtek
Neil - I got the SD ultra II 2 gig card - why would the 1 gig be the ultimate? :?
1gb... 2gb? naaaa go 4gb!
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0507/05072804pretec_4gbcard.asp
Hi,
I'm new to this sd card stuff, but is there really any point buying a really fast card for the BA?
What would be the difference in everyday use between and normal SD card and one thats rated x133(or even x150) in speed?
Would I get the 15-20meg a xfer rate through my BA?? or would i have to use a decicated Hi-Speed USB 2 card reader?
I'm looking to buy an SD card so that I use my BA for a Sat Nav system.
BTW you can pickup a 1GB Sandisk Ultra II card on ebay for about £30, would this be big enough for the maps for Sat Nav??
Thanks
satpal
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Re: card for sat-nav.
I am no expert, but from my experience, the faster the card the better, and there is plenty of discussion on this site regarding the size of cards. From others experience, it appears that as the card gets bigger, the stability is reduced, therefore, a higher speed card is needed.
Regarding what size is needed, I used a 128meg card for 2 years with tomtom, I now have a 256meg with plenty of spare storage. Given curent prices, I have just ordered a 1gig fast card. I will update if it falls over!!
2GB SD card
With the prices of larger cards dropping dramatically, I'm looking to upgrade my 1Gb card to 2Gb.
I'm assuming that it will work ok on this device??
Any thoughts or anyone already tried with success?
normally there may not be much of an issue, but surely for one that plugs into the USB port it is acheiving the fastest possible rate.
The PDA xfer rate might not be as fast as it can be via the cradle, but with the SD plugged into a USB slot I would imagine you could transfer stuff over quicker.
Has anyone tried the 4gb minisd on the Wizard, yet? I'm thinking about gettin 1 but I'm don't know if the Wizard/tmo mda will support it or see the entire 4gb.
I found this while looking for a 4gb sd to buy, and now i will just stick with the 2gb i have in fear of this same thing happening after i buy one for my 8125
i knowits not a Wizard, but still...
http://www.bengalboy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=584&forum=8&post_id=4043
It is a scam. Read the feedback. These are hacked 2GB and smaller cards that have been formatted to be 4GB, but that greatly shortens their shelf life, and in most cases they'll die within a few months, if they last that long.
How do you hack something so freakin small?
I'm not positive, but I think it says in the manual (8125) that it will only recognize up to 2GB ... Probably will change with later updates...just as the earlier PCz would only recognize so much RAM and HDD space until their CMOS was updated.
It may be a hardware limit. I'm from the DRAM side of things, so I'm not exactly certain how flash is addressed, but I do know that with DRAM, most computers are limited by the physical number of address drivers that are built into the chipset. Just looking at a Mini-SD, I'd guess that it's a serial device, so maybe it's just a matter of a firmware upgrade to change the bit size of the address data - or maybe it's something completely different and I have no idea what I'm talking about (it wouldn't be the first time!)
-d-
I've never heard of a 4GB miniSD, before this post. (I have seen 4GB SD cards advertised, could there be a confusion with that?)
If there are 4GB miniSD cards available, could someone post a link to them?
Here is a link :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270025489570
much more expensive than 2 2GB cards though ... I'll need to wait a little bit to get a cheaper one for my (future) Wizard (I'm waiting for the one I've just bought on ebay )
beware!!! their are fake sd cards on ebay!!! Usually the cheap ones are the fake ones! :evil:
They are also on Amazon.com for $146. They claim that they have them in stock and others have mentioned that the picture of the card has been edited--the number 4 that is. I am somewhat tempted to try it if Amazon will back me.
here is a story of a ripp-off on ebay : http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/mall/76525-4gb-minisd-card.html
4g miniSD that works
I have purchased a 4G miniSD from http://www.emartbuy.co.uk/index.php.
It works. There is a small problem with access time, i.e. it takes longer to write to and access the card than the 2G did, but apart from that there are no issues.
All I did was use a card reader and copy everything from the 2G card to the 4G card, put it in the device and away it went, like nothing had changed. Except now there is twice the storage. YAY. The card is brandless and is probably a reflashed card, but I don't care because it works for me.
I have an Imate KJAM.
I have puchased on from Moby memory,
http://www.mobymemory.com/proddetail.asp?prod=miniSD_4096mb_MOBY_002
Seems to work OK in my Xda MiniS, and IQ
Cheers
LB
I found a 2gb Micro sd for $19
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4152649
And the 4gb Micro sd for $39 (Dont know whether it works with the 8525)
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4159987
They are sold out but you can do a order and once its available, they ship it to you..
I ordered the 2gb using google checkout for $9.99 plus shipping and also the 4gb using google check for $30 plus shipping.
They say that it will b available in the nex 2 weeks time!!I wonder if they sold atleast one such coby 2GB microSD card cos I have been scanning all da deals for a 2GB microSD for quite some time now!!
do we know definately one way or the other whether the Hermes supports a 4GB microSD card?
warmkiwi99 said:
do we know definately one way or the other whether the Hermes supports a 4GB microSD card?
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Here is your answer from HTC Europe at the link below, it is a thumbs up!
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=29
Brilliant - thanks for the info. Soon I can have my maps of UK + France AND my music
But it's sure that will work?
From samewhere, I've read that base for 4gb is different from 2 gbm should be just a little bit more big.
boz said:
Here is your answer from HTC Europe at the link below, it is a thumbs up!
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=29
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it doesn't say anything about micro sd card ????? only sd and mini
tbl178 said:
it doesn't say anything about micro sd card ????? only sd and mini
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They have put the wrong card type on their site but the info still stands, ring the helpline and they will confirm it.
Don't be excited by HTC FAQ! The answers are common for all the models. I bet that answer was written way before TyTN out, or even before SD 2.0 specs.
Did you ever see a TyTN with WM2003SE? So why don't you ask yourself why it is mentioned in the answer for TyTN then...
Lurker0 said:
Don't be excited by HTC FAQ! The answers are common for all the models. I bet that answer was written way before TyTN out, or even before SD 2.0 specs.
Did you ever see a TyTN with WM2003SE? So why don't you ask yourself why it is mentioned in the answer for TyTN then...
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If it's not a SHDC card it should work... And I do believ it's quite unlikely we will see soon SDHC micro SD cards or phones (They are more targeted at cameras)
So all in all I think it will work. Anyway given the price I'll buy one just to try
2+GB cards
Hi I have asked the HTC support and here is their answer:
Hi,
I would like to know the maximum card size it will handle. I have found
this information on the HTC website:
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http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=29
Support: HTC TyTN
What is the maximum SD card size compatible with my device?
For Win CE 2003 =>General for SDIO is 1GB.
For WM 5.0 => SD Card is 4GB and Mini-SD is 12GB
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But is it a strange answer, most probably not written about this device.
The TyTN does not have Mini-SD but micro-SD AND it never had WinCE 2003.
So what is the maximum card capacity it can handle? Thanks.
Another (quick) question is if there is a difference between TyTN and Hermes. Aren't they the same?
Thanks for your answers.
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Dear Customer,
I will attempt to answer each of your questions in turn:
Memory Card Capacity
There is a typo on our website which lists the maximum storage card size as 12gb. This is incorrect. The maximum memory our devices can hold is 2gb. The devices do not support the SDHC formatting measure, and as such, larger cards are not compatible.
TyTN vs. Hermes
These devices are identical. The Hermes is the pre-release name for the TyTN. There are no differences between the two.
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html
Best regards,
James-Lee Breen
HTC Europe
[email protected]
http://www.htc.com
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I hope it will help others, too.
But yet there are guys using 4Gb mini cards in their Trinitys, I believe it was...
Once again proving that the help from the manufacturer is worthless.
Not for nothing, but I went through this with quite a few Motorola phones... and each time they told me the newer, higher capacity card wouldn't work. And, in all but one instance were they right.
I mean, if the 4Gb card hasn't even been released, how would they know whether or not it works? More likely that should say "The maximum memory we have tested our devices to hold is 2Gb"
Anyone know if this is a good card?
Does anyone know how much extra it is to ship to Canada?
EDIT: I just called, and shipping is going to be about $30 US...what a deal breaker...Damn it. It's because they use UPS and they charge like $20+ brokerage fee.
I ordered one.
If it actually ships... I'll post up my results when I get it (I've had 2 backorders for teh 4Gb micro card fall through up till now).
Specification of SD cards allows max 2GB(doesnt matter if SD, miniSD, microSD), but fortunately dont know how it can somehow fake fs and os to access 4GB - maybe thru operating system i really dont know but it works. Best for answer to this Quest. could be mammaich igues. At least I hope it will be SD not SDHC. but let us know
I've got a 4Gb SD card I bought about a year ago... says nothing about the "HC" on the card or in the literature, and it worked fine with the devices I needed it to work with... devices whose manufacturers told me it wouldn't work with.
The way I look at it, if it doesn't work in the Hermes, either it will eventually, or the next phone I get it'll work in.
wait and see
I think it all comes down to just waiting until someone sticks one in the Hermes.
And if it doesn't work... maybe there be a hack to make it work.
what I want to see if this doesn't work is for them to come out with a normal (non SHDC) format 4gb (or larger) card.
4gb ... hell I want 12gb
margatenj said:
I think it all comes down to just waiting until someone sticks one in the Hermes.
And if it doesn't work... maybe there be a hack to make it work.
what I want to see if this doesn't work is for them to come out with a normal (non SHDC) format 4gb (or larger) card.
4gb ... hell I want 12gb
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That is true. However, a proper test would be to actually transfer 4gb to the card. Then back and forth to the pc.
stukes said:
That is true. However, a proper test would be to actually transfer 4gb to the card. Then back and forth to the pc.
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Yes I've seen it in the past too, pluggin a larger then specified memory card into devices and it sees the ram space, just can not access it.
Thats what updated roms and patches are for ... and I think this is the right site for this ... just gotta wait and see.
It feels like a year since I've seen 4gb flashmem has been advertised ... and ETA on these?
So, can anyone confirm or deny these work?
I'm planning to buy an Archos 70.
I'm only not sure whether to choose for the 8G with SD slot or for the version with the 250GB hard disk.
the price difference is only € 49 so that is not a major point for me.
any advice would be nice.
I would buy the 8GB one, beacuse it's thinner and faster.
If you want more space, you can use SD Cards.
Flix123 said:
I would buy the 8GB one, beacuse it's thinner and faster.
If you want more space, you can use SD Cards.
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I agree. I'm happy with the SD card. A movie with full AC3 is taking up ~1.2-1.5 gb and I only keep a few movies at a time.
go for the 8gb, there's less to go wrong.. Am I right in saying that the 250gb version hasn't got an SD slot? That could be annoying.
Wolves4Ever said:
go for the 8gb, there's less to go wrong.. Am I right in saying that the 250gb version hasn't got an SD slot? That could be annoying.
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You're right. Here's a review of the 250Gb version. It's so thick!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX4EZso_z1I
megatough said:
I'm planning to buy an Archos 70.
I'm only not sure whether to choose for the 8G with SD slot or for the version with the 250GB hard disk.
the price difference is only € 49 so that is not a major point for me.
any advice would be nice.
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I have a 250GB version, I can tell HDD ver. is heavier than 8GB version (about 100g) but the hardware spec is completely same in this two version.
But only thing you need to know is:
8GB version have internal 8GB (*300MB for apps install) and able to insert micro SD,
HDD version have fully 1.58GB for apps install but no micro SD card slot.
*can be modified if you root it.
I'm not a fan of moving parts on a portable device. I've owned a few MP3/media devices with HD's and all of them failed 1-2 years later. Its just a reality of mechanics. You can't bang around a spinning disk and not expect it to wear over time.
I went with the 8gb model. I have a few thousand songs which fit fine on a 16gb sd card. These days I just listen to Pandora so I don't even need more than a couple gb for the OS and the apps.
megatough said:
I'm planning to buy an Archos 70.
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If you are interested in a gently used 8GB, I have one for $200, with case, charger, car charger, and Archos' ear buds.
It has the latest firmware on it, and also is rooted with Chulri's method (which means you can boot into it as root in SDE, or boot into stock).
PM me if you're interested.
bug splat said:
I'm not a fan of moving parts on a portable device. I've owned a few MP3/media devices with HD's and all of them failed 1-2 years later. Its just a reality of mechanics. You can't bang around a spinning disk and not expect it to wear over time.
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I, too, have owned HDD-based MP3 players.... mostly the earlier Archos's, such as the Jukebox Studio 20. Worked without fail for a long time. Forget how it happened, but the only reason it wasn't usable anymore was because the front of the device got dented in quite far... which not only broke the LCD screen but dented the cover of the hard drive.
I now own a 250GB Archos 70.... and have no issues so far. Know why? Because mobile manufacturers think of these things. That's why the Archos 70's hard drive doesn't stay spinning for very long. Means there's much less chance of accidentally skipping the read/write head across the platter... but also means that tracking back and forth through a video file causes said video to freeze and the skipping to take a second or a few due to the hard drive needing to spin back up. And i'm fairly certain HDD manufacturers have also added protection methods to small platter-based drives, knowing that they're generally used in portable devices.
One question i have for you.... exactly what would cause you to bang it around, anyway? I can't think of a situation.
As for the people making comments about the 8GB being "thinner and faster".... thinner, yes... by .12"..... which is rather miniscule. Hell... for a bit of comparison, the 250GB is only .07" thicker than an iPhone 3GS. Faster.... the only thing that's really "faster" is that the HDD has to spin up frequently. Then again.... seeing as even that is a miniscule amount of time..... i can't think of any situation where use of a tablet was a life or death scenario.