Hi, does anyone know how to enable 850mhz in this fone. please, very needed i bought thinking that this was quadband as htc elf ( touch )
thanks
I am not sure this is even possible.
Is the chip supporting 850?
PseudoReal said:
I am not sure this is even possible.
Is the chip supporting 850?
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Yes, the chip is quadband (same chip set as TyTN II).
MTM said:
Yes, the chip is quadband (same chip set as TyTN II).
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It's too bad, but the HTC TOUCH DUAL does not support 850mhz :-( My home network is 850 only and the HTC is useless in it!
Yes, it doesn't support 850 now, but the big question is it possible to support it with a different ROM. Probably a big project to lift the code from another HTC product that uses the same chip.
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Yes, it doesn't support 850 now, but the big question is it possible to support it with a different ROM. Probably a big project to lift the code from another HTC product that uses the same chip.
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tom_condon is working on a new ROM for the touch dual now. maybe you could ask him?
It can very likely be done by enabling a bit in the NV RF Config item.
I am working on that, see here.
That would be awesome. For me, 850 Mhz and GPS are the two things keeping the Dual from being the ultimate phone to date.
Thanks,
Telstra is selling a 850 MHz Touch Dual on their NextG Network, but it is not the same as the reglar Tri-Band device. Seems HTC is actually selling multiple versions iof the device to suit different carriers.
a radio update or something can help? that would be ideal since i am in the same situation 3g is on a different mhz but phone is at 2100 for 3g
Just found out the phone will be release in the us sometime in Q2 they say it will be compatible with AT&T 3g hopefully the rom from this new phone can help us that have already bought it.
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There is a Touch Dual that supports 850MHZ codename "NEON" and not "NIKI"
There is a complete other Tranceiver chip inside.
NIKI is no Quadband Device!
So do you recommend selling my Niki and getting a Neon then to stay compatible with US networks? I know netrunner was saying there is a possibility the NV items can be changed to take out the 2100 and put in the 850
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yes u can change the NV-Items but the Chip dosn't support 850MHZ.
OR... we don't know enought about the RFR6300 Chip.
We need internal shots or a list of Chips from a NEON.
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Apologize if this is a stupid question ...
But it it possible to get niki to do 3g on a freq other than 2100 ?
that would require a major hardware change, so its unlikely.
thank you. that helps.
On 2-14-08, HTC started selling the HTC Touch Dual 850 in Australia. The big question is whether it has the same chips inside as the Touch Dual. There has been some talk that the regular Touch Dual has a chip that works on the 850 frequency, so I'd say there is a good chance the two devices are the same with differnt ROMs.
We really need someone to upload the ROM from a Touch Dual 850.
I believe that there were two differing Qualcomm 7200 chipsets produced:
One with support for 850/900/1800/1900 MHz (the US version, in which the 850 & 1900 MHz band is used for UMTS). And one which supports 900/1800/1900/2100 MHz (for Europe) In which the 2100 MHz band is used for HSDPA.
You could be right though, it may be that the only differences are in software.
The device can't support all five frequencies(at least it shouldn't be able to ), but it may be possible to pick and choose by flashing radio roms.
Only time will tell...
I have read the lg ks20 manuel ... if you need more frequency, you need hardware parts! on of this parts are a RF switcher. the radio read out the nv ram too.
I'd say that just about does it. I will be wanting an 850 model soon.
in the moment ... i think ... no 850mhz nike!!!
hoping a radio update can do it for the niki since i just bought one in the us and just learnt about this issue.
do you think the australia rom would fix it or the radio, i do know the australia rom is available for download but isn't the radio more important for this issue?
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I have read the lg ks20 manuel ... if you need more frequency, you need hardware parts! on of this parts are a RF switcher. the radio read out the nv ram too.
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Has anyone found out any new info about this? I too have issues with the Niki100 not covering all the bands I need for coverage in my area and have no 3G. With the US Touch Dual coming out soon, or with the Australia release, I was hoping someone had a radio flash that could provie if upgrading the radio fimrware worked.
you havent understand what i have tell!!!
niki havent the right RV Switch!!! You cant change anything to handle G3 network on 850MHz or 1900MHz!!!
the US Touch Dual or AUS Touch Dual isnt a HTC Niki ... it is a HTC NEON!!!
Both can use the same OS and Radio Roms! The Radio Rom is every time the same!
@NetrunnerAT
just to be fare:
there are 2 models of HTC Touch Dual available here in Australia:
HTC Touch Dual UMTS 2100MHz
HTC Touch Dual UMTS 850MHz (Telstra NextG frequencies)
ok again ... Touch Dual 850MHz is a HTC NEON!!!! Both Device have the same Case and a simulare Chipset, but different RV Chips!!!
Don't bug me!
I've recently read the touch dual will be released in the US through Best Buy as an unlocked phone. Now i was wondering if anyone has any info on this, will it have a different chipset in it or do you guys think we can rip the radio and rom from that model and put it onto the european model giving us the 850/1900 for hsdpa instead of 2100, as of right now i can't even get Edge speeds i am stuck on GPRS for some reason.
http://press-releases.techwhack.com/18184-htc-touch-dual-2
i think touch dual in usa is neon, not nike
also touch dual just released in korea is Neon, not Nike... i am not sure what it means that they have a different name ( just wm 6.1? or also other fixes? ) anyways, i have the korean one. i don't know how to copy the rom but if you need one... i have the pda and i can try.
Pardon me for asking but this has bugged me for a while:
I doubt if the Raphael is really produced in two hardware versions: one that supports UMTS 900/2100 MHz in Europe and another that supports UMTS 1900/850 MHz in the US?
Do any of the European friends here flash the Radio ROM v1.14.25.35 (extracted from AT&T ROM in the US) to their European version of the Raphael and with a tweak in the registry key
HKLM\Software\OEM\PhoneSetting\BandType
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"ItemName2"="UMTS(900+2100)+GSM(900+1800)"
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i.e., to make the UMTS 900 MHz band known to the machine, are able to connect to their 900 MHz 3G network properly?
Apparently, the 900 MHz UMTS band was not included in the default BandType after the American AT&T Radio ROM is flashed.
This is actually a very good & important question & point. Particullarly with the newer devices that are comiing out. In an effort to streamline production, HTC has changed somewhat the way the restrict devices from operating on different bands. Now you find that even CDMA & GSM device are able or would be able to operate, strictly speaking of hardware, on one or the other network except for the firmware. According to FCC documents, HTC is locking devices to networks via the firmware. This may make it possible to opperate any device on any network give that there is a place to insert the sim card.
I am using the new radio, & I have been able to use it on both the US & EU gsm frequencies. You can selct the band you want, but you need to use the band switch program as the EU band has been disabled via the registry, but it still exists within the radio firmware.
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In an effort to streamline production, HTC has changed somewhat the way the restrict devices from operating on different bands...HTC is locking devices to networks via the firmware...I am using the new radio, & I have been able to use it on both the US & EU gsm frequencies
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Thanks, gsleon3 for your input. I have this doubt because many people on this boards mention cross-flashing and the issues with two different hardware versions; whereas, according to Section 1.1 on "Product Features" of the Raphael Service Manual, the hardware itself supports HSPA/UMTS on 5 bands, i.e., 850, 900, 1700, 1900 and 2100 MHz and GSM/GPRS/EDGE on 4 bands, i.e., 850, 900, 1800 and 1900 MHz. Raphaels are produced in different SKUs with some bands selectively enabled, though.
I'm in Germany w/ a German O2 XDA and I've flashed the new radios with no problems. I haven't flashed to .25.35 yet, but probably will tonight.
[EDIT] Just installed .25.35, and it works 100%. We'll see about battery life tomorrow... [/EDIT]
Drew
Hello,
I just received my HTC Hero today which I bought from Clove in the UK (I live in Australia). Unfortunately for me I did not notice that the phone does not support UMTS 850mhz (which is Telstra's NextG). I live in an area which I get very little or no service on the other bands and UMTS 850mhz is the only one suitable for me. I saw 850mhz frequency listed on the phone specifications and I had no idea that there was a difference between 2 850mhz frequency .
My question is, will the Hero be hackable to enable 850mhz UMTS? I've seen it happen before with the HTC Touch Diamond, so perhaps the Hero is hackable too?
Or will I have to sell this phone and wait for mainstream release in Australia with the UMTS 850mhz enabled?
Thanks.
I think this maybe will be posible in a future but not rigth now.
Cartmanizm said:
Hello,
I just received my HTC Hero today which I bought from Clove in the UK (I live in Australia). Unfortunately for me I did not notice that the phone does not support UMTS 850mhz (which is Telstra's NextG). I live in an area which I get very little or no service on the other bands and UMTS 850mhz is the only one suitable for me. I saw 850mhz frequency listed on the phone specifications and I had no idea that there was a difference between 2 850mhz frequency .
My question is, will the Hero be hackable to enable 850mhz UMTS? I've seen it happen before with the HTC Touch Diamond, so perhaps the Hero is hackable too?
Or will I have to sell this phone and wait for mainstream release in Australia with the UMTS 850mhz enabled?
Thanks.
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Sorry to bring up an old thread but I am having this issue where I work. Next G works in Perth where I live but not at work. Seems Telstra use two different bands for Next G...
Quick question, im looking into buying a cheap chinese phone because 1, im not picky about being top of the line, and 2, because its inexpensive. But ive been looking into and around the internet for supporting information stating if these chinese phones work on Tmobil, AT&T, Net 10 or Striaght talk. Here is the general break down fo these phones
Operation System: Android 4.0
·4.3 inch Capacitive Multi-touch screen, QHD (540*960)
·CPU:MTK6575 CPU 1GHZ Dual core
·Quadband: GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz 3G WCDMA 900/2100MHz
Id like to know if this type phone would work with the above companies with both talk/txt/mms but also with 3g full US coverage. Thanks in advance
-Nick
Compare the GSM and 3G bands with a well known model at USA
But I cant get a straight answer out of anybody...
I know that the talking/txting/mms will work on the GSM bands provided but its the 3g that im thinking about
I see different things all over the place; some phones are 800/2100, 850/2100, 900/2100, and 1700/2100. The 2100 is prob the only consistent band, but i dont know if, say, 900 correlates to western US and 2100 correlates to eastern half. OR the 900 and 2100 cover ALL of US and you need just one of them. Besides that, several phones on I think tmobile such as the HD7, here's a link to what I mean,
http://www.gsmnation.com/htc-hd7-tmo.html
The top says 1700/2100 but the description states 900/2100 for 3g?!?
Heres a link to one of the phones I was talking about that I was looking into
http://www.fastcardtech.com/goods-7...ouch+Screen+WIFI+G-sensor+3G+smart+phone.html
Thanks,
Rico
Any thoughts on if this phone covers AT&T or Tmobile? Id appreciate any help, thanks guys
Rico
For AT&T, the band is 850/1900 MHz for both GSM and WCDMA 3G. For T-Mobile 850/1900 MHz GSM and 1700 MHz for WCDMA 3G. If your phone is WCDMA 900/2100, 3G will not work for both AT&T and T-mobile. You must have at least one band that matches with your network. For best 3G coverage, both bands must be supported by the phone.
Have a look at this phone with WCDMA 2100MHz (800/850/1900 optional) here: www.chinaphonereview.com/samhave-aone-shanghe-a1
Also look at these phones that have 850/2100 WCDMA bands: www.chinaphonereview.com/zopo-zp100 and www.chinaphonereview.com/zopo-zp200.
Cool, thanks for the link man, I like the ShangHe Aone 3G Android 4.0 you recommended. Do you know of any others? Im just looking for android 4.0 and a nice (not super nice) 4.3'' screen. I was also looking into an Ezio H7 but its android 2.3 and im not sure of the screen quality. Any thoughts? thanks in advance.
I also found these phones with 850/2100 MHz WCDMA bands: Star Xperia S LT26 and THL V9.
The THL V9 has a 4.3 inch screen with qHD resolution (960 x 540 pixels) and Android 2.3 but I think it has already an Android 4.0 update. You might want to check it out.
I was looking into those as well as IHTC 310x or something like that, but the 3g bands are 850/2100 but i need 850/1900. Any other phone references you know of?
Thanks y'all
nick
Hell, ill take a phone with 1700/2100 bands too... if they exist... which i doubt in china.
Most Chinese phones I know are 850/2100 or 900/2100. The ShangHe Aone may be the only dual SIM phone with optional 850/900/1900 bands.
The Meizu MX has a WCDMA/HSDPA band of 850/900/1700/1900/2100 MHz. This phone is high-end, with dual core 1.4 GHz CPU. It also has a quad core version named Meizu MX Quad-Core. Both are very affordable for their specs.
Anyone make any progress in getting this figured out? I've been looking into buying a chinese phone to use on t mobile and it looks like most of them operate WCDMA for 3G speeds, which won't work on t-mobile. Does anyone actually have one now that they're using?
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Anyone make any progress in getting this figured out? I've been looking into buying a chinese phone to use on t mobile and it looks like most of them operate WCDMA for 3G speeds, which won't work on t-mobile. Does anyone actually have one now that they're using?
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you need one with both 1700 and 2100 in order to get 3g hspa unless your in a coverage area where tmo already supports 1900. in some areas where im at people i know with crapple iphones get 3g where tmo has refarmed thier netwok they are working on getting this frequency to more areas so its wait and see
Seany D said:
Anyone make any progress in getting this figured out? I've been looking into buying a chinese phone to use on t mobile and it looks like most of them operate WCDMA for 3G speeds, which won't work on t-mobile. Does anyone actually have one now that they're using?
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Simple answer....NO
I too was looking to buy a chinese phone with hope that I would be able to get 3G on Tmobile. Tmobile's 3G unfortunately runs on the 1700 MHz band. If you don't see that band in the phones description you will only get 2G aka EDGE network on TMobile.
So this phone wouldn't work with Tmobile?
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/DHL-...00-phone-for-n7100-smart-phone/737394584.html
PRODUCTION INFO
Model
for N7100
Network
GSM 900/1800 MHZ /GSM850/1900MHZ
WCDMA 2100MHZ /900 MHZ
Processor(CPU)
MTK 6577 1.2GHz Cortex A9 Dual Core
I don't know for America, and I am not a techie myself, but from what I understand, you have to look at the frequencies the phone proposes.
In Belgium, 3G works on 900 / 2100 MHz, if the phone doesn't support this, you will fall back to 2G.
for the example above
Tmobile's 3G unfortunately runs on the 1700 MHz band
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GSM 900/1800 MHZ /GSM850/1900MHZ
WCDMA 2100MHZ /900 MHZ
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-> looks like you will be falling back to 2G :/
It will work
airnique23 said:
Simple answer....NO
I too was looking to buy a chinese phone with hope that I would be able to get 3G on Tmobile. Tmobile's 3G unfortunately runs on the 1700 MHz band. If you don't see that band in the phones description you will only get 2G aka EDGE network on TMobile.
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In addition to 1700 MHz, T-Mobile also supports 2100 MHz so 3G will work where you get 2100 coverage in USA.
Source: .worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
iamrico00 said:
Quick question, im looking into buying a cheap chinese phone because 1, im not picky about being top of the line, and 2, because its inexpensive. But ive been looking into and around the internet for supporting information stating if these chinese phones work on Tmobil, AT&T, Net 10 or Striaght talk. Here is the general break down fo these phones
Operation System: Android 4.0
·4.3 inch Capacitive Multi-touch screen, QHD (540*960)
·CPU:MTK6575 CPU 1GHZ Dual core
·Quadband: GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz 3G WCDMA 900/2100MHz
Id like to know if this type phone would work with the above companies with both talk/txt/mms but also with 3g full US coverage. Thanks in advance
-Nick
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also remember when buying chinese phone, their government doesn't allow google or ggogle play store to be installed stock so you will have to root it and manually install this also
Techminator said:
In addition to 1700 MHz, T-Mobile also supports 2100 MHz so 3G will work where you get 2100 coverage in USA.
Source: .worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
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This is not entirely correct. Part of T-Mobile's HSPA network operates on the hybrid AWS 1700/2100 Mhz frequency where one part is uplink and one downlink, which is not the same as operating solely on 2100 Mhz frequency like many of the Chinese phones work with and many other countries use. They are not compatible.
However, that being said, their HSPA network also works on the 1900 Mhz frequency in most major metro areas of the US now as well as many other parts and many of the world phones do support that.