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As for the performance and speed, Iphone is good.The looks also is fantastic and stylish.If you are a music lover, the ipod function w/ builtin 8gb or 4 gb storage is good enough to play your favorite songs for long time. Touch & scrolling is fantastic. So for me iphone is a simple phone, ipod & very less PDA function. Why? a lot of us is using Windows Mobile since we have PC mobile. Iphone is a OS X system, a system based from MAC OS. You can count the program that iphone have that you use before. I need Isilo but this program cant run to Iphone. The only advantage I can see is the safari browser & youtube. If you are on the wifi, browsing thru ur iphone is superb. That's it. The only main thing here is the HYPE of having an Iphone. Yet I can say that it will now give you so much headache regarding bugs except to 3rdparty program that not yet really made for iphone. To be fair, Iphone is a great phone with IPOD, period ;-) Maybe after more months, we can now enjoy a lot of program on iphone that we use to enjoy in our windows mobile.
Well About XDA ATOM (Atom Pure for me) , this is one of the goodwindows mobile i've seen. This became great because of Jiggs ROM. No more words i can say, in terms of PDA function and everything, this is great PDA Phone. There are cons but as a whole package its good. In my own opinion, its better than HTC touch. IF i compare this in IPHONE, this have a better PDA function.
So the conclusion, which one you want to buy? or which one will stay on ur palm. Its up to your needs and wants. IT's UR CHOICE, both have good side.
Thats why i have both;-) hehehe just kidding.
One of the thing about music is.. how much music can it play? I'm using Storage card, and default WMP, which gives me about 20% battery per hour. So, that is, if I have a full charge, and wanted to leave 20% of battery for the phone function, that would take me.. about 4 hours. It may be less than that because that time, I was on the train, which it gets connect/disconnect which may make it to 4.5 - 5 hours. How does the iPhone one this? Consider their 8G capacity.
However, having said, with all the functionality of WM phone, I still think the non-instant, hour-clock waiting of WM is still an issue. A lot of Palm users like to stick to Palm mainly due to the fact that Palm OS has an instant responds (most of the time).. rather than WM's short wait.
hanmin said:
One of the thing about music is.. how much music can it play? I'm using Storage card, and default WMP, which gives me about 20% battery per hour. So, that is, if I have a full charge, and wanted to leave 20% of battery for the phone function, that would take me.. about 4 hours. It may be less than that because that time, I was on the train, which it gets connect/disconnect which may make it to 4.5 - 5 hours. How does the iPhone one this? Consider their 8G capacity.
However, having said, with all the functionality of WM phone, I still think the non-instant, hour-clock waiting of WM is still an issue. A lot of Palm users like to stick to Palm mainly due to the fact that Palm OS has an instant responds (most of the time).. rather than WM's short wait.
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continously you can play your music for 20-24hrs ...for videos, around 2movies and not more than that.
internet use for 5-6hours
pda freaks like us may find the iphone lacking with the 3th party software limitations but that could change but there are still many more wm apps out now
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normal phone users
i think they miss t9 and maybe mms
but i does look cool though
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pda freaks like us may find the iphone lacking with the 3th party software limitations but that could change but there are still many more wm apps out now
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i think they miss t9 and maybe mms
but i does look cool though
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yes its true...
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wow all moderators are coming to comment on this. Do you love IPHONE? hehehe
love it a strong word
but i think many of us like that new innovation and competition is brougth to the table to keep ms, htc and the rest on their toes
yeah, this will make other pda brand and maker be better and compete to iphone. Look out HTC, they introduce TOUCH. well having an iphone to the market benefits the consumer not only iphone users.
how about an I-phone with Windows mobile as an os,,is this possible?
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how about an I-phone with Windows mobile as an os,,is this possible?
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very illogical...do u think APPLE will create a product with Microsoft software? is like asking that Coca cola will have a package of Pepsi.
yes.. microsoft will create some special
could be part the of Microsoft Deepfish project
http://labs.live.com/deepfish/
By the way.. whats the cost of an unlocked Iphone.. I bought atom for 200$ (usd)
i phone cost
ironeagle said:
By the way.. whats the cost of an unlocked Iphone.. I bought atom for 200$ (usd)
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iphone cost in india is RS.27000
ironeagle said:
By the way.. whats the cost of an unlocked Iphone.. I bought atom for 200$ (usd)
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i bought this thru online for 600$ including Int'l shipment but here in UAE it is expensive in the market , unlocked price is 3800 AED = 1100$
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yes.. microsoft will create some special
could be part the of Microsoft Deepfish project
http://labs.live.com/deepfish/
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this is only for web browsing...not really a good thing
generalriden said:
i bought this thru online for 600$ including Int'l shipment but here in UAE it is expensive in the market , unlocked price is 3800 AED = 1100$
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Would you mind sharing the online site?.. thanks in advance..
"could be part the of Microsoft Deepfish project"
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6809.html
hope they dident can it then
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Would you mind sharing the online site?.. thanks in advance..
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the one who i get an order is from US yet have 3rd party in Dubai for coordination. i tried ebay also, a little higher. So i prefer this person. there is also some adds here that have the same cost.
iphone problems and solutions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339945
i just make a new thread to for the troubleshooting of iphone
O2 XDA Flame Against Apple iPhone Comparison
http://www.iphoneworld.ca/iphone-editorials/2007/02/20/o2-xda-flame-against-apple-iphone-comparison/
o2 XDA flame compare to IPHONE...LOL how about our XDA atom? hehehe
O2 ATOM is better!
Form factor, O2 ATOM is actually smaller compared to the IPHONE; eventhough the IPHONE is alot slimmer.
O2 ATOM is pretty nice to hold once I put the black rubberized covers on it to protect it.
The cool things I like about the ATOM are -
1) Its on a platform that provides lots of apps to play with.
2) I like the fact that our ATOM has A2DP which allows for Stereo bluetooth headphones.
3) The Radio function is really nice to have.
4) Now with HTC Touch cube working on the ATOM, its for finger friendly than before and easier to navigate around apps, etc.
5) With the new HTC T9 Keypad, I can SMS without using my stylus anymore!
ATOM is a all-round champion for its price and features/functions!
The smooth IPhone graphics is overrated anyway. Plus there's alot of copy-cat apps that mimic the Iphone themes on PocketPC environment.
Plus I find the Iphone a little too long for my liking. ATOM is still nice to hold and comes with a pretty zippy processor!
Hi, all...
I have read a new atom v from internet. Very nice lookly . Please check this
abusalza said:
Hi, all...
I have read a new atom v from internet. Very nice lookly . Please check this
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Yeah it does look nice. the only con I can see from the specs is the 64MB SDRAM. It should have been loaded with a 128MB and it will be the godzilla of all ATOMS hehehe
some little add-ons left by MWg that was not integrated with the atom v
* a standard 3.5mm jack would be nice as well
* where's the IR? no more novII remote hehehe
Very nice...love that it has gps!
Seems it will be released in feb...I'll be getting one then
and its quite cheap! AU$839. htc touch cruise will be $1159!
Looks like it is QVGA (320x240)
thinks the Zinc II is nicer...
It be great if CPU up to 624Mhz and 1GB ROM like Atom Life and plus 128MB Ram
Love that camera is 3M Pixel
Don't know why they put gprs onto it but not increase cpu speed/ storage for big gps apps/ RAM for fast cache
Is it 520Mhz cpu perform faster or better than Atom Life??
Although i like the look of Atom Exec than Life or V
In my though
It will perfectly for me if
- CPU Better than or Equal 624MHz
- RAM >= 128MB
- ROM >= 512MB
- OS >= WM6
- GPS built in
- Camera >= 3MP (Better if 4MP or 5 MP) with better Zoom function
- Better Speaker than current Atom
- Less power comsumption (Conflict with CPU Speed) or Greater Battery
- LCD more than 2.8"
- Better HeadSet and can use with 3rd Party stereo earphone with FM enable through it
- Better Bluetooth Stack for Better music via bluetooth stereo with FM enable through it
I'm greedy ..... he he he
hehe, I like your suggestions! Also needs:
- 640x480 resolution screen
- Infared (only so I can use novii remote)
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thinks the Zinc II is nicer...
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Yeah... was going to get a HTC cruise but the Orbit II, Atom V and Zinx II all tick the right boxes for my needs... Would agree the Zinc II look very sexy
Doh, specs have changed to 2MP camera...
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Seems it will be released in feb...I'll be getting one then
and its quite cheap! AU$839. htc touch cruise will be $1159!
Looks like it is QVGA (320x240)
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I have said I won't buy any other Atom, just look at the popularity of AtomExec and its supports that we are getting.
You sure want to go there again?
MWG stated, that the new devices are from Arima and Gigabyte and they don't longer have a partnership with Quanta and Asustek.
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You sure want to go there again?
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had an 02 Atom for 20 months now and very happy with except the IR cover fell out... kept 02 ROM updates and has been stable with very little resets (could go many months with one). As with anything that becomes popular (aka iPod) there are going to be issues. Believe they really need to get their service game in order and hopefully MWg is more than a name change and fix that ... but they are coming out with some good looking/spec devices... Zinc II, Orbit II (HTC Touch Cruise) Atom V etc... because of my experience would consider but understand others may not .... we can only base on our own experience and mine is yes would go there again
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had an 02 Atom for 20 months now and very happy with except the IR cover fell out... kept 02 ROM updates and has been stable with very little resets (could go many months with one). As with anything that becomes popular (aka iPod) there are going to be issues. Believe they really need to get their service game in order and hopefully MWg is more than a name change and fix that ... but they are coming out with some good looking/spec devices... Zinc II, Orbit II (HTC Touch Cruise) Atom V etc... because of my experience would consider but understand others may not .... we can only base on our own experience and mine is yes would go there again
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Not going to argue with you. One of my friend is very happy running with his Windows 2000 and couldn't get him moved to XP even with a gun pointing at his head. Different strokes for different folks. But, being a Computer Junkie, I can guess what majority of the people like or dislike in gadgets and very seldom err.
AtomExec is very sexy, I paid HKD5,900 for it so you can estimate the time frame. Mind you that I already had an Dopod 818, an Treo650 and an O2 xda (818pro). The logic of wanting an AtomExec is like wanting a hole in my head. Tat tells you I am an early adapter and don't mind to pay for something I like. Its screen is smaller and darker screen than I would like. But the built quality and size is perfect for my taste. I also bought a custom high capacity battery and a nice leather case for it. However, AtomExec freezes quite bit, not fast enough even with 520Mhz because I have to hang another language platform in it to use in China. The company hardly put out any updates. If they had responded to any question, the answer was usually "No' or "We have not planned for it." or similar. I am fairly sure non-geek phone users will go for iPhone. Geeks will go for HTC's more advance phones. Of course there will be some left for Atom's family.
My Kaiser has 3 meg pixel camera which can take a picture of a business card and put the name, phone numbers .... , company name into the contact book directly. When I am lost, I turn on its GPS and walk 10 Meters and I know whether I am on the right track. I have the entire China map in it. It supports 8G microSD card and I put hours of MP3 in it. Its bluetooth support stereo.
Scrolling command dial, many hardware buttons, screen is bright, response is quick, good size storage memory. Qualcom 400Mhz CPU has dual-core, an ARM9 and ARM6 built-in. Plus, important for some folks, ton's of fans keep making it to have better and better features or looks.
Yes, there is something I don't like about it. It does not have an infrared port. Integrated mini plug does not allow charging and listening music at the same time while sitting at a desk (need to get a 3rd party adapter RMB25) and I don't need the sliding keyboard.
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There are only two guys, wonderful people in AtomExec circle who dedicated their time putting out two near-final WM6 ROM's but all other HTC phones have more ROM's than you want to count.
Again, if Atom V has the Kaiser hardware, I won't mind go for it immediately. But with its middle of the road hardware and past customers supporting records, unless its price are low enough, I would wait...
It is just my 2 cents, I respect your feeling toward your Atom!
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Not going to argue with you.
it is just my 2 cents, I respect your feeling toward your Atom!
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For a confessed tecno person a liitle bit upset you are trading in old currency and such a low denomination like your opinon should be worth at least a 1930's penny's value also like new technology...
if the atom v comes in at $835 (as have seen) it is cheap with the specs as i paid $1200 AUD for the original atom ... but will upgrade after seeing the short list of Atom V, the zinc II & touch cruise but from there who knows... might be happy like your mate in 5 years saying .. nah, why upgrade it does all i want it to do ... then you can roll your eyes at our buying for needs mentality and say get with the program ...
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Not going to argue with you. One of my friend is very happy running with his Windows 2000 and couldn't get him moved to XP even with a gun pointing at his head. Different strokes for different folks. But, being a Computer Junkie, I can guess what majority of the people like or dislike in gadgets and very seldom err.
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palah, everyone has his own opinion, but most of what jychan28 said is right. I am an O2 Atom user since Atom. However, O2 has a lousy after sales service. I am stuck up with Atom Exec at the moment (cause I spent my last cent on it ) and now waiting for good times to change this to an HTC device most probably Tytn-II or Touch Cruise and good riddance from O2.
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palah, everyone has his own opinion,
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Agree 100%... like yours my williness to buy again was based on own experience so after two good (not perfect) 02 products so will consider another... if i had your experience would more than likely feel similar... but also be aware HTC, 02, MWg, Nokia etc etc all produce dogs every now and then...
although the aotmV so beautiful ,i do not change the exec until it die~hehe
I would say yes, it is a downgrade in terms of speed and rom size on the Atrom V, but what about the hi-price paid for HTC devices. Also you can always expand it using sd cards, and personally i never like choking up the internal memory.
There are reviews on the Atom V already. And a video review on the 3D/Video performance.
If you ask me after watching the video, I'd rather trust the Atom V over the Touch Cruise.
Video Comparo Intel Xscale Vs Qualcomm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1T4UY-8kG_w&feature=related
Reviews
http://www.tatsdiy.com/atomv/
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=18&id=2497
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/handhelds/0,3...2514760p,00.htm
battery still a prob?
would it be safe to assume that the battery life/performance has not improve, compared to its predecessors?
atom V can not use video call.. only 1 camera
Was perusing my favorite mobile sites until I stumbled upon this here. Apparently the new Moto Q9s are coming with it. Nothing really major but just adds to the cool factor of 6.1.
Calling out all chefs and Moto Q9 owners: What are the chances of getting this ported over to our beloved HTC devices so we can play around with it?
Kinda reminds me of a green WM7 come to think of it
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/26/windows-mobile-61-part-2/
Was perusing my favorite mobile sites until I stumbled upon this here. Apparently the new Moto Q9s are coming with it. Nothing really major but just adds to the cool factor of 6.1.
Calling out all chefs and Moto Q9 owners: What are the chances of getting this ported over to our beloved HTC devices so we can play around with it?
Kinda reminds me of a green WM7 come to think of it
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/...ile-61-part-2/
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That is wm 6.1 standard (smartphone version). We use 6.1 professional (ppc version). It will not be ported.
yeah im honestly kinda pissed that MS put that much effort into the smartphone version but nothing into pocketpc. hopefully they can make up for it with WM7
the hell with windows anyway. linux ftw.
counting down the days till it runs on my titan
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counting down the days till it runs on my titan
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Then you will need more days to countdown waiting for useful software that runs on Linux then more days for fixing bugs. Afterwards, I'm ready to load it onto my Titan as well. Most likely it will about two or three generations after the Titan.
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Then you will need more days to countdown waiting for useful software that runs on Linux then more days for fixing bugs. Afterwards, I'm ready to load it onto my Titan as well. Most likely it will about two or three generations after the Titan.
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too bad, I bet it would be leaps and bounds over the MS stuff....all we need is WINE mobile right?
kmartburrito said:
too bad, I bet it would be leaps and bounds over the MS stuff....all we need is WINE mobile right?
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Haha, no way. The linux stuff works fairly well. I haven't used them in a while, but I have a few old iPAQs (non-phone pocket pcs) that ran familiar linux with the Opie user environment. Pretty sweet.
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too bad, I bet it would be leaps and bounds over the MS stuff....all we need is WINE mobile right?
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I can see it now:
Kid 1: "Check out my new phone, it plays bubble breaker, solitare, and I can install all sorts of great software."
Kid 2: <Slaps kid one> "Counter-strike. On my phone. The end."
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too bad, I bet it would be leaps and bounds over the MS stuff....all we need is WINE mobile right?
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I think Android is going to be great on these phones. The hardware is capable of running the OS... drivers may be a problem, but there are many talented people here who can overcome that.
Never been too impressed with the reporting by BGR, and this is no exception.
Almost none of the features he touts are actually part of WM6.1
* Support for AT&T’s Video Share - That is an AT&T Application, not part of Windows Mobile 6.1
* New thumbnail browsing - That is a known feature on WM6.1, folks running WM6.1 on the Titan already have it
* New Albums feature - I'm guessing another third party application, possibly Motorola??
* Send to your space (upload to your Windows Live account) - Windows Mobile Live, not the core OS
* Updated camera UI - Motorola App, since the camera software/hardware are not part of the core OS
* Updated home screen (more music and multimedia features) - just a redesigned theme, probably even runs on WM6.0
* TV out - hardware. There are other WM6.0 (and even 5.0) phones that support TV out
Really, pretty poor reporting. These are not "windows mobile 6.1 goodies", they are goodies that Motorola and ATT decided to add to the upgrade.
It's like Sprint adding SprintTV to a possible WM6.1 upgrade for the Titan and saying that SprintTV is part of WM6.1.
I have and love a Kaiser. Right now I have a Dutty Rom on it and love it as I commute, on a train, about 3 hours a day.
Anyway, I made a bet (6 pack of beer) that I can use an Athena for a week instead of the Kaiser. [We have one that sits unused in our office]. I have the Black Rom on it and wasn't overly excited when I made the change.
What should I install to ease my life and win my bet?
Use TCMP for videos, the Athena has a nice big screen. Both the NetFront pre release and Opera leaked alphas are good for browsing the internet. I would recommend using RealVGA if you would like to really utilize the large screen, 96 DPI is awesome. Compared to the Kaiser the Athena has a bigger screen, more storage and at least on paper a faster processor. I personally use a software keyboard and ditch the magnetic one to reduce to size of the Athena.
does the RealVGA thing work on the kaiser also?
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does the RealVGA thing work on the kaiser also?
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No, Kaiser isn't a VGA device and if it were, the 400MHz Qualcom would struggle. It would probably be dog slow.
what a stupid bet
Well ok, I no longer have an Athena and I got rid of my TyTn 2 after a week so perhaps it's not my place to comment..
BUT WHAT THE HELL KIND OF BET IS THIS????
Fine, the Athena is a bit big, but what the hell is your problem with applications? IT'S THE SAME OPERATING SYSTEM so it shouldn't be much of a hardship unless you're an absolute doink.
Perhaps a better challenge might have been to live with a Motorola StarTAC for a week....or even a Nokia 6210.
Tsk.
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Well ok, I no longer have an Athena and I got rid of my TyTn 2 after a week so perhaps it's not my place to comment..
BUT WHAT THE HELL KIND OF BET IS THIS????
Fine, the Athena is a bit big, but what the hell is your problem with applications? IT'S THE SAME OPERATING SYSTEM so it shouldn't be much of a hardship unless you're an absolute doink.
Perhaps a better challenge might have been to live with a Motorola StarTAC for a week....or even a Nokia 6210.
Tsk.
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I was thinking the same thing as you, but in less words. Anyway Leoni when are you going to come back on the "wm" side of the world, i'm sure you miss the touch screen. Symbian...tsktsk! lol
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I was thinking the same thing as you, but in less words. Anyway Leoni when are you going to come back on the "wm" side of the world, i'm sure you miss the touch screen. Symbian...tsktsk! lol
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Hmmmm not so sure. Maligned as it might be I can't help but love the old N95 classic. I've got an 8gb card for it and it's the most satisfying phone I've ever used....still. it even has embedded flash support and an accelerometer so the screen rotates automatically when i turn the phone.
Unfortunately there's nothing in the Windows Mobile world to touch it yet - I'm very much a multimedia guy and there's nothing comes close to the carl zeiss optics of the N95, the 30fps video, the flash support, the hardware acceleration, the huge array of multimedia applications and (finally) proper GPS support with Garmin XT or Route66.
The nearest phone to the N95 in the windows mobile world is probably the TyTn 2 and i'll never go back to that again:it's an inferior toy in comparison.
I'd wager a bet you can't list five things i'd do on a Kaser that I can't do on an N95 (aside from the obvious outlook calender issue which is not an issue for someone like me who doesn't use outlook)
one day i'll be back though no doubt.
chadvavra said:
. . . I made a bet (6 pack of beer) that I can use an Athena for a week instead of the Kaiser . . .I have the Black Rom on it and wasn't overly excited . . . What should I install to ease my life and win my bet?
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leoni1980 maybe you could be more specific. What do you do with your Kaiser and why do you like it? Why weren't you happy with the black rom on the Athena? Why is there an expectation of hardship/w Athena?
You said that there was a train commute. So . . .your thinking entertainment? To "ease your life,"; since we know nothing about you or your life that's a hard one. Don't you think?
In general: Windows mobile devices are all-in-one mobile devices that do alot of things ok/good. In my opinion, they rarely do anything specificly the best. Read e-books--likely the kindle does it better. Listen to music--buy an ipod. Surf the net--desktop or laptops are more powerful. And so on.
So you need to figure what it is you like to do. Then evaluate whether windows mobile fits your needs. Then tweak the Athena in that direction with hardware and/or software.
Seems alot of work for one week.
If I had a three hour commute, I'd surf the one-day deal sites, & winmobile/news sites. I'd read e-books, listen to music and do writing. Maybe listen to sleepy music/set my alarm and take a nap. I don't even use the phone side, rarely watch movies,have no use for a pim.
Another guy would want to chat on the phone, and watch tv. Still another guy would want to sms, play games . . .
Keep track of your time, finances, diet, movie collection, appointments . . . Facebook, chatrooms, twitter, look at porn, read the Bible . . .
I mean . . . you can do all kinds of things.
hello im new here. i dont have hd2 but interested on it . is it true that u can run android 2.2 froyo rom in this phone? please share thanks
yes, go look in the android thread in here
just buy the new HTC Desire HD and you are done
yes, but the device was never meant to be for android, better to get an adroid device if ur interested in it.
no its all lies.
Yeah, it is just a rumor proliferated by some Android fanboys jealous of our hardware.
So if I buy htc hd2 is it for sure ill get android on it and also windoes. I think its awesome. I saw it on gsmarena website that they put android 2.2 rom in hd2
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My friend has android on his HD2, he complains about its functionality a lot!
So i guess it's better to stick to WM and use CHT for a better interface
sevoflurane said:
My friend has android on his HD2, he complains about its functionality a lot!
So i guess it's better to stick to WM and use CHT for a better interface
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+1
Android = No good on Hd2
An entire os running from an SD card is rather clunky and just cant really compete.
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Android = No good on Hd2
An entire os running from an SD card is rather clunky and just cant really compete.
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To offer an alternative view:
I've recently switched to running Android permanently on my HD2. I've even flashed the ChuckyDROID cut-down winmo ROM designed to boot Android as quickly as possible, so I'm not even using winmo as a fallback.
Recent HD2 Android builds are quite stable, and the performance and battery life is easily comparable to what I had under WinMo. I use Bangsters version, and it's great; there are many others reported to be working fine too.
It does take a bit of reading to find a good combination of the available options to suit your needs - the most important thing I found was to get the right radio version and a suitable winmo ROM build flashed to your device.
There's plenty of information on how to get it all working in the HD2 Android Development forum, but I can vouch that it does work.
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To offer an alternative view:
I've recently switched to running Android permanently on my HD2. I've even flashed the ChuckyDROID cut-down winmo ROM designed to boot Android as quickly as possible, so I'm not even using winmo as a fallback.
Recent HD2 Android builds are quite stable, and the performance and battery life is easily comparable to what I had under WinMo. I use Bangsters version, and it's great; there are many others reported to be working fine too.
It does take a bit of reading to find a good combination of the available options to suit your needs - the most important thing I found was to get the right radio version and a suitable winmo ROM build flashed to your device.
There's plenty of information on how to get it all working in the HD2 Android Development forum, but I can vouch that it does work.
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+1 on this. Android has come a very long way. However, this IS a WinMo phone and I would not recommend that you buy it if your intention is using android as your primary OS. There are TONS of devices out there now that are either identical to or better than the HD2 in hardware and they run android flawlessly as the primary OS.
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+1 on this. Android has come a very long way. However, this IS a WinMo phone and I would not recommend that you buy it if your intention is using android as your primary OS. There are TONS of devices out there now that are either identical to or better than the HD2 in hardware and they run android flawlessly as the primary OS.
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TONS is really a bit overstated.
Samsung has Android phones of comparable hardware, however most of them perform bsdly (If the reviews are right) and running on Android 1.6,,,,
There are only a few phones comparable not tons.
If one comes from WinMo, it is a nice option to run Android.
I have not(yet) heard of Android devices running WinMo.
The HD2 is still the most powerfull machine around beeing able to run both.
Completely switching to Android is a very definitive step in my opinion.
Beeing able to switch between the two is (again, n my opinion) a big plus.
Also: NAND is apparently just around the corner, meaning one can FLASH Android on the HD2, thus no longer run it from SD. (And loosing dual boot possibilities) This should perform better, and since the IO is not going to SD, probably the batterylife will be longer.
As rumours go: It should be possible to flash to Android and back to WinMo
Another great option for this remarkable machine.
But enough of pro-HD2 talk, Could you give me a list of phones beeing able to do all that?
The Droid X, Droid2, All the variants of the Samsung Galaxy, Desire HD, EVO, Nexus One, Droid Incredible. 3.7" on a couple of those but they are still very similar devices hardware wise. Since xda members make sure to root every phone weeks before it even launches the version of android that it happens to be running is sort of a moot point.
Compared to the options that were out there when the HD2 came out, I consider this tons.
But I think the point of my post was missed entirely. I would never trade the HD2 for any of them. It is by far the BEST phone for ME.
However, I cannot recommend someone buying a phone with the sole intent of running an alternate OS when there are so many similar options out that are designed with android. The HD2 may be the most versatile phone out there but aside from those of us who are able/willing/committed/experienced enough to take advantage of that, your average user typically is not happy with it. I have had 3 people I work with purchase the phone (despite my warning) after seeing what I have done with it. 2 of them returned it. The 3rd constantly complains to me about x y and z.
Anyway, my point was that the OP should consider whether they are getting the phone only to run android. If that is the case, they should take a look at some other options before doing so.
Like posted above, I would not buy this phone if your main intention is running Android. But if you are interested in dual booting Android and Winmo then this is the best choice. I use both an equal amount of time, my info is in my signature and I can tell you I am extremely happy. WinMo will always be my primary but it's nice to use Android to sample a few new games or listen to Pandora. I prefer the option of which to use so I will never flash the Nand version.
But finding the right combination is really up to you as a lot can depend on your Winmo build of choice, the radio, and which Android build you use as different combinations can have varying results. For example I use the builds in my sig with that radio as it works best for me in my area in terms of battery life and connection speed. Now someone in say, New York may get better results with a different radio or different WinMo build. It's up to you to try them all
Maybe it's me but way will people buy a WM device if thy will/need a Android?
Okay fore people who have there HD2 already, and thy will switching to Android I could understand (white lots of imagination)
but peoples who don't ha a device, and must buy one way you will buy a WM device if you need a Android?
I don't understand it!
it's the same fore me to buy a diesel car and after that I will transform it to a engine car!?
not to blame peoples but way make live complicate?
kurt-willems said:
Maybe it's me but way will people buy a WM device if thy will/need a Android?
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Perhaps because they are used to WinMo and would like to eperiment with Android?
kurt-willems said:
Okay fore people who have there HD2 already, and thy will switching to Android I could understand (white lots of imagination)
but peoples who don't ha a device, and must buy one way you will buy a WM device if you need a Android?
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Well: Use proven technology, while beeeing able to experiment with Android and eveluate its possibilities/capabilities.
HD2 is the top on speccs and has dual boot capability.
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I don't understand it!
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I do: it's a hacker thing, beeing able to put things to your hand, make it do what you want, not what it is intended for.
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it's the same fore me to buy a diesel car and after that I will transform it to a engine car!?
not to blame peoples but way make live complicate?
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It is not the same, it is like buying a Diesel car, adding a petrol engine and using whatever you want (either depending on fuel price, or depending on driving style you want to experience that moment)
Running Android of SD Card is not transforming your device, it is extending it's capabilities.
One can experiment with Android while it is still possible to "revert" to WinMo.
eg: during the office hours WinMo, in the evening Android, as a hobby, from interest, playing games fill in....
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The Droid X, Droid2, All the variants of the Samsung Galaxy, Desire HD, EVO, Nexus One, Droid Incredible. 3.7" on a couple of those but they are still very similar devices hardware wise. [...]
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still no TONS....
Quite a few, but it is not like HD2 is completely outclassed by these devices....
But remains: wich ones can do dual boot?....
Rest my case
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still no TONS....
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Semantics
Quite a few, but it is not like HD2 is completely outclassed by these devices....
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You are correct. The HD2 is absolutely not outclassed by any of those devices and I never said it was. I simply noted that they are very similar in terms of hardware. The EVO is perhaps the only one that has same or better stats in all areas. My wife has an EVO but I personally perfer my HD2 because of the dual-boot versatility you mentioned.
But remains: wich ones can do dual boot?....
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AFAIK none. But I don't think that is relevant to the advice I gave.
To reiterate: Buying the HD2 with the intention of running android as the primary OS is in my opinion a mistake. There are better options that do not require -
a) running off of the SD card
b) changing the radio (and possibly the ROM as well)
c) 99% functionality
d) waiting (and hoping) for a quick nand solution
However, already owning an HD2 and deciding that you are bored with WM is completely understandable. If the OP is good with tech/gagets, experienced with WinMo, enjoys the occasional hard-reset when tweaking has gone awry, and wants a phone that can dual-boot WM and droid, then the HD2 is an outstanding choice for him/her. If the OP wants to buy an HD2 and use nothing but android on it... I think that is kind of silly. Since they never made clear thier intent, this is really all pointless speculation.
ap3604 I can also report, the android ins't better than hd2 in native OS
Wilco said:
Perhaps because they are used to WinMo and would like to eperiment with Android?
Well: Use proven technology, while beeeing able to experiment with Android and eveluate its possibilities/capabilities.
HD2 is the top on speccs and has dual boot capability.
I do: it's a hacker thing, beeing able to put things to your hand, make it do what you want, not what it is intended for.
It is not the same, it is like buying a Diesel car, adding a petrol engine and using whatever you want (either depending on fuel price, or depending on driving style you want to experience that moment)
Running Android of SD Card is not transforming your device, it is extending it's capabilities.
One can experiment with Android while it is still possible to "revert" to WinMo.
eg: during the office hours WinMo, in the evening Android, as a hobby, from interest, playing games fill in....
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Semantics
You are correct. The HD2 is absolutely not outclassed by any of those devices and I never said it was. I simply noted that they are very similar in terms of hardware. The EVO is perhaps the only one that has same or better stats in all areas. My wife has an EVO but I personally perfer my HD2 because of the dual-boot versatility you mentioned.
AFAIK none. But I don't think that is relevant to the advice I gave.
To reiterate: Buying the HD2 with the intention of running android as the primary OS is in my opinion a mistake. There are better options that do not require -
a) running off of the SD card
b) changing the radio (and possibly the ROM as well)
c) 99% functionality
d) waiting (and hoping) for a quick nand solution
However, already owning an HD2 and deciding that you are bored with WM is completely understandable. If the OP is good with tech/gagets, experienced with WinMo, enjoys the occasional hard-reset when tweaking has gone awry, and wants a phone that can dual-boot WM and droid, then the HD2 is an outstanding choice for him/her. If the OP wants to buy an HD2 and use nothing but android on it... I think that is kind of silly. Since they never made clear thier intent, this is really all pointless speculation.
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All you guy's statements are on point.
My experience is coming from the G1 phone - HD2. I loved Android when it was on my G1. I rooted, hacked, and flashed a billion times (exaggerated; but felt like it). But when I found out that the HD2 was coming to the US, I had to jump on it. The hardware and spec sheet was HUGE compared to the phones that were available in the US at the time. C'mon, 4.3" screen vs. a 3.2"? No contest. I'm a multimedia geek, and this was a huge plus!
I love my HD2. WM was a new experience for me thus I read pages after pages after pages just so I can better my phone than the next persons' HD2. You guys above me saying that the HD2 is versatile, YES.. Very much so. I did everything on my HD2 w/WM. But I really missed the Android Market and it's apps...
Now, when Android was being pushed into development into the HD2.. this changed the game. WM + Cookies / GTX / SPB MS / etc is great (still is).. but someone who has experience with Android, loves the OS, and wants to see it on a phone with this much on the spec sheet, wouldn't let it slip by. I didn't. I use Android on a daily basis. It is my primary OS, only because I feel as if I have come to an end with WM on my HD2.
When I found out dual booting WM + Android, this made my HD2 even better! What Android is missing on the HD2... WM has. Or vice versa, IMO. For instance... I use a 98% stable build.. At least. GPS / BT will not work. Not a big deal for me. When I travel, I switch to WM. Done.
Lastly, I do agree with one of the above post. If you don't have an HD2 and want the phone solely for the purpose of running Android as a primary... DONT. Unless you're willing to put some time in running WM and getting familiar with it.
I believe hacking the HD2 to dual boot WM+Android is like riding a motorcycle for the first time... Start off in a smaller displacement bike and work your way up. Don't shoot for the fastest bike or you're bound to drop it.