Hi anyone
I hear very good things about Diamond_Radio_1.00.25.05.zip concerning reception so I'd like to try it on my Raphael.
Now, I hardspled my Raphael, flashing modded roms works and with Custom RUU I have been able to flash the .31 radio rom onto my .19 radio rom device.
When I however try to flash the .05 radio rom, which is a Diamond rom, flashing fails. I assume the radio HW is exactly the same as in the Raphael so what's wrong? Is there a type-code in the rom that prevents a successful flash? How do I get this working?
Patrick
i would like to know how to do it aswell
bozotheclown said:
Hi anyone
I hear very good things about Diamond_Radio_1.00.25.05.zip concerning reception so I'd like to try it on my Raphael.
Now, I hardspled my Raphael, flashing modded roms works and with Custom RUU I have been able to flash the .31 radio rom onto my .19 radio rom device.
When I however try to flash the .05 radio rom, which is a Diamond rom, flashing fails. I assume the radio HW is exactly the same as in the Raphael so what's wrong? Is there a type-code in the rom that prevents a successful flash? How do I get this working?
Patrick
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This has already been discussed. Flashing Diamond radios on the Raphael does not work. See this thread:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410620
Well, obviously it hasn't been discussed adequately yet.
I've been watching that thread and it doesn't really contain an answer as to why it doesn't work and whether there is a possibility to get it working.
That thread also doesn't give a definite answer to the question whether or not the Diamond and Touch Pro use the exact same radio hardware so I think the validity of my questions is fine.
apd said:
This has already been discussed. Flashing Diamond radios on the Raphael does not work. See this thread:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410620
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What about (from the other thread you were asked to read):
cmonex said:
OK I know now why.
raphael radio won't flash on diamond and diamond radio won't flash on raphael. even if their contents are the same - I have such radios here (this proves they are compatible). there is a reason for this (yes, HTC, again artificial limitation!!!)
there is one way around this - if you are security unlocked in radio it will flash no problem.
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heh, has no one read my #28 post?
again, diamond radio will not flash but not due to incompatibility. it is artificial limitation which can be removed with security unlocker
however there will be some people here who'll say yes the radio flashed - that is because they ran the diamond sec unlocker.
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cmonex and OliPro (OliNex) are still working on a Raph Security Unlocker. Saying their work in inadequate is bordering on offensive, given how much they provided this comunity with.
Just wait like everyone else.
Dave
My my, so stating that something has not been discussed enough means that someone’s effort is inadequate? I think your somewhat hostile reaction to my post is out of line. I didn't say anyone’s work is inadequate! Read again!
As you can read, cmonex states he knows they are compatible, he doesn't say whether or not they are the same! There is a difference you know?
And as to what the incompatibility is, there is no answer for that yet. At least, not in that thread so I posted my message with the combination of questions I have to find out if anyone else knows more.
I don’t find your reaction bordering on offensive, I find it offensive. You seem to think you can dictate what I'm allowed to ask and what opinion I'm allowed to have.
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What about (from the other thread you were asked to read):
cmonex and OliPro (OliNex) are still working on a Raph Security Unlocker. Saying their work in inadequate is bordering on offensive, given how much they provided this comunity with.
Just wait like everyone else.
Dave
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My my, so stating that something has not been discussed enough means that someone’s effort is inadequate? I think your somewhat hostile reaction to my post is out of line. I didn't say anyone’s work is inadequate! Read again!
As you can read, cmonex states he knows they are compatible, he doesn't say whether or not they are the same! There is a difference you know?
And as to what the incompatibility is, there is no answer for that yet. At least, not in that thread so I posted my message with the combination of questions I have to find out if anyone else knows more.
I don’t find your reaction bordering on offensive, I find it offensive. You seem to think you can dictate what I'm allowed to ask and what opinion I'm allowed to have.
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I'm not dictating anything.
The discussion was complete, a security unlocker is required to get a Diamond ROM to work on a Raph. cmonex and OliPro (as well as Jockyw2001) have provided these in the past and more than likley will again.
Dave
You weren't? It seems that's a matter of opinion. Even now, you are telling me that I should consider the discussion completed whilst I obviously disagree and am still seeking more answers.
Anyway, I don't see how your rude rant helps finding more answers so are we done?
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I'm not dictating anything.
The discussion was complete, a security unlocker is required to get a Diamond ROM to work on a Raph. cmonex and OliPro (as well as Jockyw2001) have provided these in the past and more than likley will again.
Dave
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bozotheclown said:
... cmonex states he knows they are compatible, he
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I think you'll find that cmonex is a she rather than a he ;-)
Oops, now that IS something to be sorry about I admit to being a male chauvinistic pig sometimes This shows that assumption is the mother of all f&*k ups.
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I think you'll find that cmonex is a she rather than a he ;-)
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bozotheclown said:
You weren't? It seems that's a matter of opinion. Even now, you are telling me that I should consider the discussion completed whilst I obviously disagree and am still seeking more answers.
Anyway, I don't see how your rude rant helps finding more answers so are we done?
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I never intended to be rude, for that I am sorry. I just type and asume the same tone in my head goes down on paper, which is this case it didn't.
To discuss this further, cmonex has identified that the two radios are compatable, but a security unlocker is required for the raph in order for to allow a radio from a diamond to be flashed on to it. This is what you raph users will be patiently waiting for.
Hopefully this clarifies things.
Thanks
Dave
It's all right dude, I can certainly understand your passion
I'm with you so far and I was hoping there are more people seeking answers out there. Hence the question. Anyway, we'd better use our efforts to get more out of our Raphaels then bug each into blind rages
Anyway, I appreciate your apologies and they're not necessary as I myself tend to like it a bit too much to play someone when someone gets passionate like you did. Sorry for that
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I never intended to be rude, for that I am sorry. I just type and asume the same tone in my head goes down on paper, which is this case it didn't.
To discuss this further, cmonex has identified that the two radios are compatable, but a security unlocker is required for the raph in order for to allow a radio from a diamond to be flashed on to it. This is what you raph users will be patiently waiting for.
Hopefully this clarifies things.
Thanks
Dave
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Seriously, this was all concluded in the other thread.
cmonex very clearly stated in that thread that the reason Diamond radios don't work at the moment is because of an extra limitation that HTC has added to the Raphael - That will be a non-issue once the security unlocker is released.
Which other answers are you still seeking, bozotheclown - as far as I can see the only question you asked has very clearly been shown to you by apd and DaveShaw?
My questions are serious and I'm looking for what ther exacte compatibility issue is so I can try to help out.
And if that's what you see you missed it.
BTW. I don't see what questioning ones questions does for finding answers.
sub69 said:
Seriously, this was all concluded in the other thread.
cmonex very clearly stated in that thread that the reason Diamond radios don't work at the moment is because of an extra limitation that HTC has added to the Raphael - That will be a non-issue once the security unlocker is released.
Which other answers are you still seeking, bozotheclown - as far as I can see the only question you asked has very clearly been shown to you by apd and DaveShaw?
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My questions are serious and I'm looking for what ther exacte compatibility issue is so I can try to help out.
And if that's what you see you missed it.
BTW. I don't see what questioning ones questions does for finding answers.
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Glad its all sorted and no hard feelings. I get stressed when "I think" I'm been bated, there's a little cocky kid on a wiki I'm gonna get one day... Im just biding my time.
There are Security unlock apps out there, Jockyw2001 wrote the one for the kaiser, that sets a flag in the low level storage area of the phone (the nand i think) that allows you greater access to the deice that normal.
i.e. You can format the SPL when sec unlocked. (Though I wouldn't advise it)
Anyway...
If you want to help out, and have some knowledge of assembly language pm olinex and ask if you can help out.
Dave
Heheh What do you do for stress relief? Whatch Bottom?
I'll pm Olinex
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Glad its all sorted and no hard feelings. I get stressed when "I think" I'm been bated, there's a little cocky kid on a wiki I'm gonna get one day... Im just biding my time.
There are Security unlock apps out there, Jockyw2001 wrote the one for the kaiser, that sets a flag in the low level storage area of the phone (the nand i think) that allows you greater access to the deice that normal.
i.e. You can format the SPL when sec unlocked. (Though I wouldn't advise it)
Anyway...
If you want to help out, and have some knowledge of assembly language pm olinex and ask if you can help out.
Dave
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bozotheclown said:
Hi anyone
When I however try to flash the .05 radio rom, which is a Diamond rom, flashing fails. I assume the radio HW is exactly the same as in the Raphael so what's wrong? Is there a type-code in the rom that prevents a successful flash?
Patrick
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yes. different RSA key is used to sign the radio.NB for raphael. the radio bootloader is the same for both, so it must dynamically select the correct public key for the device it is running on - which is possible by querying the PID (sort of a device model id), stored in regioninfo in nand.
security unlock gets around this by not checking the RSA at all when flashing.
hopefully that is detailed enough
bozotheclown said:
Heheh What do you do for stress relief? Whatch Bottom?
I'll pm Olinex
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better PM cmonex or Olipro, OliNex is just for posting stuff we make together. =)
DaveShaw said:
There are Security unlock apps out there, Jockyw2001 wrote the one for the kaiser, that sets a flag in the low level storage area of the phone (the nand i think) that allows you greater access to the deice that normal.
i.e. You can format the SPL when sec unlocked. (Though I wouldn't advise it)
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just some comments
1. yea, both jocky and olinex implemented a method, they use different ways to get the same result.
the flag is in memory, then written back to nand in jocky's solution. olinex solution uses the AMSS to set it in the more "official" way.
2. you can but on diamond or raphael you will not currently have a way to get out of that. for some reason, you cannot see the USB when in dload or oemsbl command line. (note, even without being unlocked, you could do the SPL erase and restore just fine using frankenkaiser on the kaiser generation, kaiser, polaris, niki, sedna etc...)
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just some comments
1. yea, both jocky and olinex implemented a method, they use different ways to get the same result.
the flag is in memory, then written back to nand in jocky's solution. olinex solution uses the AMSS to set it in the more "official" way.
2. you can but on diamond or raphael you will not currently have a way to get out of that. for some reason, you cannot see the USB when in dload or oemsbl command line. (note, even without being unlocked, you could do the SPL erase and restore just fine using frankenkaiser on the kaiser generation, kaiser, polaris, niki, sedna etc...)
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I see I still have a long way to go, and most of my work is best guess from what I've read in places joined together.
Thanks for the corrections, I learn a little each day.
Dave
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Hi Gurus
Is it safer to apply HardSPL first then SIM unlock or the other way round.
Maybe it doesnt matter.
Whats your view ?
Asif
I did sim unlock first. then I apply hardspl. now flashing different roms. don't know exactly how the process suppose to be but that's what I did and my phone is working like a champ
I did hard spl, then Sim unlocked, not sure if it matters. I had the same query when I unlocked, but wondered if I missed something in the WIKI, so didn't ask due to a good flaming (if you aint done your research you can get crusified in here). Your braver than me lol
@AsifM3100: U need to do the CID/SIM update first; it will load it's own spl and radio. When U have completed the process, then U should install the hardspl before flashing your own radio and or rom.
Sotian
You post made me laugh. However I have made the same observation but couldnt find the answer in the wiki or other posts. Its one of the reasons why I have put off unlocking and flashing for such a long time. So many people who you feel sorry for, cos they have bricked their phones and who are panicking, just get told to do the research. When you are in that state the last thing you need is research. Its such a contrast to the SAP developer network site that I use regularly where evryone is so keen to help (me included).
Having said that its still the best site for us Hermese peeps. I would be in no state to unlock if it wasnt for this site. I just hope nothing goes wrong.
Regards
Asif
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Sotian
Its such a contrast to the SAP developer network site that I use regularly where evryone is so keen to help (me included).
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3 thoughts on this:
1. It is scary when the Germans are nicer than us
2. You gotta feel sorry for anyone hanging around in an SAP developer network
3. We aren't so bad when people have done research. It is the "HELP PLZ!!!!! - JUST GOT MY HERMES THIS MORNING AND BRICKED IT!!!!" posts that get people upset. Or the "CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF THERE IS A WM6 ROM AVAILABLE FOR THE 8525 BY CINGULAR????" People who do their research and ask don't get crucified too badly - usually.
Oh, and regarding the question - doesn't really matter, since (as galaxys noted) the unlocker uses it's own SPL called SSPL and overrides whatever SPL you have loaded. However, it is good practice to throw HardSPL on their as the first step, since it protects the Hermes from having it's bootloader borked - and that is a good thing!
Hi todd_gj
There are not that many Germans on the SAP dewv Networks. Its mainly asian probably in Southern India. Most of the software is now developed out there, especially sisnce it costs $10 an hour. I bet most WM5/6 is churned out over there.
But I do take your point. You need to do your reading, but i have found a little extra help goes a long way to making sense of it all.
Regards
Asif
...which rom wasn't supposed to be posted publicly but some moron did so. :sigh:
so post your problems here - or if they are in the more serious category then read below. they'll get fixed sometime.
note that by default we need time for more important things than fixing devices that got screwed up with the prerelease crap.
still you can get help here if we get the time.
anyway, there are two main types of "bricks"
- device with interrupted flashing attempts to AP4, then reflashed AP3, AP4 flashed finally, which has resulted in dead wlan (wifi won't turn on). in this case, if you can, please post your old MAC too (sometimes found on the inside of the battery door), if you can't, then post the MAC of another wlan device nearby, a slightly changed version of that will be flashed back to your athena. because the wlan unbricking file has to be unique for everyone, get on IRC or PM me or Olipro to get it fixed, and hope we have enough time soon - you can negotiate with Olipro to allocate some of his time to you. (though after releasing the *final* AP4 we probably will have more time anyway.)
- interrupted flash, with invalid model ID after trying to flash another rom (AP3 or anything) on it. this is the worst type of brick (wlan is corrupt too, of course). again, get on IRC or PM me or Olipro to get it fixed, and hope we have enough time soon - you can negotiate with Olipro to allocate some of his time to you. (though after releasing the *final* AP4 we probably will have more time anyway.)
- and one last type that isn't really a brick: interrupted flash, device won't boot to OS, but you are able to reflash AP3 (and wifi and all works ok). ---> so, if your device has just got to black screen after unsuccessful flash with prerelease AP4, and you're not sure what to do: flash AP3 back and see if everything is fine. in this case please wait for final AP4 after you got AP3 back on it.
AND ONE REQUEST: if you got such a "brick", let me know if you were using a 32-bit or 64-bit Windows.
Mac 00092DF5F847 - I didn't realise it was on the inside of the battery door! Had to take the kids out yesterday which is why I disappeared from IRC.
Mine is the first type - Got AP4 but no WiFi - I don't want to take you away from the real work so reply when / if it suits you.
Thanks again for all your help.
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Mac 00092DF5F847 - I didn't realise it was on the inside of the battery door! Had to take the kids out yesterday which is why I disappeared from IRC.
Mine is the first type - Got AP4 but no WiFi - I don't want to take you away from the real work so reply when / if it suits you.
Thanks again for all your help.
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ah, good you have it on the door after all. feel free to come on IRC when you can, we'll find a time to fix it.
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All non-authorised testers can pay for repair since you were NOT supposed to download it.
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All non-authorised testers can pay for repair since you were NOT supposed to download it.
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Damn that's harsh, but anyone who downloaded from that link surely saw the next post which said their were STRICT orders not to post the link. Tsk tsk.
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Damn that's harsh,
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Why? I new I was using 'unauthorised' software - why should I expect support? My fault, my problem.
Agreed. Everyone should have known it wasn't an official release...especially if they downloaded and used 3.0. They know how our ROMs are released and to install something that's leaked is done at your own risk and dime.
Now, we're hoping to finalize this stubborn SPL and remove the final bugs shortly. This is a GREAT DAMN ROM!!!!
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Why? I new I was using 'unauthorised' software - why should I expect support? My fault, my problem.
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I agree. Are you now sorted? How big was the donation?
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I agree. Are you now sorted? How big was the donation?
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I'm sure irus will help everyone recover their cost. Remember, he knows best.
ltxda said:
I'm sure irus will help everyone recover their cost. Remember, he knows best.
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Careful remember he's a ranger who wears an Afghan (I think that's right, isn't it) !!!! Sorry, but that really was one of the funniest posts....
Irus sent me the link but it was me that tried it - I have no-one to blame but myself. He didn't force me to go against all the advice I read!
caveat emptor!
Confucious said:
Irus sent me the link but it was me that tried it - I have no-one to blame but myself. He didn't force me to go against all the advice I read!
caveat emptor!
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Haven;t you read the wiki. NO LATIN AFTER 21.30.
Sorry. In a juvenile mood tonight! It's absolutely right tho, they didn't want it released and irus broke the rules. Pretty bloody stupid really.
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Irus sent me the link but it was me that tried it - I have no-one to blame but myself. He didn't force me to go against all the advice I read!
caveat emptor!
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You didn't get it on IRC? I thought I were one of the good people???
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Haven;t you read the wiki. NO LATIN AFTER 21.30.
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It's only 2008 here - so another 122 years to go......
Please start a post titled 'Bull****' or something similar to continue your discussion, this one was started by Cmonex to help those with problems, don't hijack it.
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- and one last type that isn't really a brick: interrupted flash, device won't boot to OS, but you are able to reflash AP3 (and wifi and all works ok). ---> so, if your device has just got to black screen after unsuccessful flash with prerelease AP4, and you're not sure what to do: flash AP3 back and see if everything is fine. in this case please wait for final AP4 after you got AP3 back on it.
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Dear cmonex,
I had this kind of a problem. Maybe nice to know that my phone also went in a boot loop when I went back to AP3.0. That's why I use the second pre released of AP4.0 from IRC.
Regards,
Mabury
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Please start a post titled 'Bull****' or something similar to continue your discussion, this one was started by Cmonex to help those with problems, don't hijack it.
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And like Olipro said - they have now decided we are not worth it - so I have no problem 'hijacking' this thread. They have 'closed' it from there point of view so, unless you were as stupid as me, why are you posting in this thread?
Have you not learnt by now to take Oli's rantings with a pinch of salt?
Cmonex appears to have a heart of gold, and will help those who need it.
And she might even mellow Oli a little.
Yes - and she already has, haven't you noticed?
Oli has a problem with anyone who isn't as intelligent as him (which is most people) but cmonex is - and she's nice as well. That seems to have confused the F*ck out of him. Together they make a great team - but they owe me slightly less than nothing!
i was experimenting on my htc touch pro and I flashed a program called diamond unlocker. I think it might be another name for athena unlocker. Now phone wouldn't even power up. freaking out big time. please help!!
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i was experimenting on my htc touch pro and I flashed a program called diamond unlocker. I think it might be another name for athena unlocker. Now phone wouldn't even power up. freaking out big time. please help!!
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Sounds like you have bricked your phone big time.
Where on your Raphael does it say Diamond or Athena, all unlockers are device specific.
Can you enter the bootloader at all?
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Dave
NO i can't enter bootloader. I can't even power up. I was testing unlocker programs and I found a program called "diamond unlocker". I thought I give it a shot and next thing you know the phone blanks out. Hard-reset doesn't work because I can't even power up.
I knew this thing cooking thing was playing with fire. What should I do now?? Stressing out big time.
jimmymob said:
NO i can't enter bootloader. I can't even power up. I was testing unlocker programs and I found a program called "diamond unlocker". I thought I give it a shot and next thing you know the phone blanks out. Hard-reset doesn't work because I can't even power up.
I knew this thing cooking thing was playing with fire. What should I do now?? Stressing out big time.
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Hmm ok i will sidestep the "what were you thinking flashing a diamond unlocker to your raphael when your device is NOT a diamond" lecture and simply state that you have most likely messed up your device totally...unless there is something olipro/cmonex can do to help you you have a paperweight.
Sorry sir.
Would the phone be covered by warranty? I can't power it up, so i assume the techies would just replace the whole phone. Has anyone return a brick phone to technicans and what was the outcome?
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Hmm ok i will sidestep the "what were you thinking flashing a diamond unlocker to your raphael when your device is NOT a diamond" lecture and simply state that you have most likely messed up your device totally...unless there is something olipro/cmonex can do to help you you have a paperweight.
Sorry sir.
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Maybe, ViperBJK might also be able to help.
You could try PM'ing one of those three, if they can't fix it then your pretty much done for.
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i was experimenting on my htc touch pro and I flashed a program called diamond unlocker. I think it might be another name for athena unlocker. Now phone wouldn't even power up. freaking out big time. please help!!
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Let met guess,you downloaded that on a torrent site,if you donated 15 euro to olipro you did not have this problem you have now.
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Let met guess,you downloaded that on a torrent site,if you donated 15 euro to olipro you did not have this problem you have now.
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If that is the case I wouldn't hold out for help from Olipro or cmonex.
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Dave
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Would the phone be covered by warranty? I can't power it up, so i assume the techies would just replace the whole phone. Has anyone return a brick phone to technicans and what was the outcome?
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Its been stated here so many times, read the instructions before you flash/do anything...
Warranty the device, maybe they dont realize what you did...
You can also admit that you didnt donate for the unlocker...
My phone was already unlocked before I install the offending program. And No I didn't download it from a torrent site or illegal warez site.
How did you get it then?
hmmmm . . . Did you try the most stupid and simple stuff, like taking the battery out for a couple of hours, taking the sim and SD card if any, etc...
I will be joining Fuze group today...
Maybe I can offer a little help, I don't know the Fuze yet, won't have one for a few hours, but I had some great success unbricking hundreds of Tilts & this led to a cooperative project ending with Jocky putting everything learned into FrankenKaiser.
I will take a look at the firmware when I get my device, after much research of course, & let you know what I think. It may be a tedious project though as it might require a redio hack to allow DL mode to be entered from OEMSBL.
Oli, Viper & Jockey are all great resources, but they get a lot of PM's so it may take some time. Once I get a feeling for it & you answer a few questions for me, I can then go to them with more than just symptoms.
Be patient & we'll get it working as we've done for hundreds of Kaiser owners.
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I will be joining the Fuze group today.
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Well that's just great. There goes the neigborhood.
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Maybe I can offer a little help, I don't know the Fuze yet, won't have one for a few hours, but I had some great success unbricking hundreds of Tilts & this led to a cooperative project ending with Jocky putting everything learned into FrankenKaiser.
I will take a look at the firmware when I get my device, after much research of course, & let you know what I think. It may be a tedious project though as it might require a redio hack to allow DL mode to be entered from OEMSBL.
Oli, Viper & Jockey are all great resources, but they get a lot of PM's so it may take some time. Once I get a feeling for it & you answer a few questions for me, I can then go to them with more than just symptoms.
Be patient & we'll get it working as we've done for hundreds of Kaiser owners.
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unfortunately there is no access to download mode on diamond and raphael and any newer devices.
the USB interface is simply disabled, we don't know how to get around that - yet.
the other thing is, on new radios (HD, xperia, G1, etc...), the radio is locked for flashing. kaiser radio wasn't supposed to allow flashing unsigned code either, just HTC left a nice bug in the rsa check.
trust me the kaiser was heaven compared to the days now... but we like challenge don't we
so this device is a brick - he can RMA it or jtag it.
Wow, I am shocked. I've never heard a response quite like that from the esteemed cmonex That means if it is even possible, then it's burried & will take some time to finess out.
I'll tell you one thing though buddy, if its under the mfg warrentee then that's gonna be your fastest way. I know that Cmonex & Oli have spent some time poking around this area for sure, so if she says there's no way & says to RMA it, well that means we're still a good way off from finding the doorway into dload mode.
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My phone was already unlocked before I install the offending program. And No I didn't download it from a torrent site or illegal warez site.
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probably you got it from ppcgeeks site eh? the instructions says it's only for cdma :/
GSLEON3 said:
Wow, I am shocked. I've never heard a response quite like that from the esteemed cmonex That means if it is even possible, then it's burried & will take some time to finess out.
I'll tell you one thing though buddy, if its under the mfg warrentee then that's gonna be your fastest way. I know that Cmonex & Oli have spent some time poking around this area for sure, so if she says there's no way & says to RMA it, well that means we're still a good way off from finding the doorway into dload mode.
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yes this will be a big challenge is what i meant above BTW it would be cool to work together =) have you got your Fuze yet?
Jup, this is also my answer :
RMA or Jtag. No other way.
Cya,
Viper BJK
viperbjk said:
Jup, this is also my answer :
RMA or Jtag. No other way.
Cya,
Viper BJK
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No you forgot 1,still the option of trashcan
Due to my own problems with getting informations about issues mentioned in topic, I'm posting this thread...
Idea is simple: could anyone explain strictly, what is SPL, RADIO etc., PLEASE?? The reason is, that there is really a lot of informations about it on the forum, but as they are everywhere - they are "nowhere"...;/
In advance: sorry, that I'm not spending hours on searching for answers, but the idea is to collect all this basic informations in ONE place...
Hope you will understand and won't shout at me...x)
I bet this page will answer all of your questions. All the basic information is in this one place: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Athena
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I bet this page will answer all of your questions. All the basic information is in this one place: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Athena
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Ye, I was there of course, but sorry - no informations found about WAHT particular things ARE, only HOW TO do some things (e.g. how to make them works)... Can't find anything in "Athena for beginners" (and Athena Manual), Athena FAQ's and so on... Or am I blind...??
I have to agree with you that for noobs it can be quite overwhelming.
Here is a list of what everything stands for
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Acronyms
The radio is the part of the phone that enables communication with the cell towers and the gps satellites. Upgrades can help to improve signal strength, battery life and gps responses.
Anyone can upgrade the radio on their windows mobile phone without making any other changes to the phone (assuming that the radio was designed for your phone and not another phone- the latter is possible but requires extra work).
Upgrading the radio is quite straight forward- select a radio rom that you want and then either put it on an sd card or flash it from active sync (xp) or wmdc (vista).
This will have no impact on the operating system (o/s) and as such you will not lose anything.
Upgrading the o/s involves wiping the existing o/s- in this case you will lose all of the info on your phone- you can use 3rd party programs to backup/restore.
There are limitations on the o/s roms that you can use. Official upgrades from the supplier/maker will be straight forward- other (better/newer) roms might require you to make your phone cid unlocked so that you can install the rom.
Here is info on making your phone cid unlocked
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315831
This will also allow you to use radio roms not initially designed for your phone
There are other considerations to take into account regarding the memory allocation in the phone. Some of the o/s roms require you to change the memory allocation- more to the o/s and less to the running programs memory. These are defined as spl1.2 or the hacked spl3.5.
To hard spl your phone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316846
Once the above has been done you MUST ensure that the rom SPL matches the spl on your phone- I have made the mistake of using the wrong rom for my spl and ****ed up my phone before.
Should you wish to downgrade your spl then read
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=405604
If you forget which spl you have then enter the phone bootloader by pressing the camera button and using the stylus in the reset hole at the same time.
You can find out which radio and o/s you have by going to settings/system/device info
I hope this helps- please ask if you need more help- it is ages since I last up/downgraded my phone so hopefully any errors here will be highlighted by others.
Be warned that no rom is perfect (not even the stock roms) and that upgrading is not allowed under the terms of the warranty and is not with out risk.
It is fun though...
Wonderful!! Thank you a lot, imaginarynumber! This informations are really usefull Only two questions at the moment...
imaginarynumber said:
There are limitations on the o/s roms that you can use. Official upgrades from the supplier/maker will be straight forward- other (better/newer) roms might require you to make your phone cid unlocked so that you can install the rom.
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OK, but how can I check, or is my device CID-locked or maybe not...? (I'm not the first owner, so I've got no idea...) Or maybe unlocking already unlocked device wont cause any additional problems...?
imaginarynumber said:
There are other considerations to take into account regarding the memory allocation in the phone. Some of the o/s roms require you to change the memory allocation- more to the o/s and less to the running programs memory. These are defined as spl1.2 or the hacked spl3.5.
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So the only difference is a size of memory allocations?? Are this amounts constant for each SPL? And so the rule "higher (version) is better" doesn't works here...?
Thank you a lot for all this work one more time...
hi mrkazor
If the phone is not cid unlocked then you would not be able to use any rom other than the maker's/supplier's rom, so for example if you had a cid lock tmobile then when trying to flash it would check the signature of the rom and if it found that it was not a t-mobile rom it would not allow you to flash it.
I believe that you can check the cid status with mtty using the info 2 command (its a telnet program).
I think that it is ok to cid unlock a phone that is already cid locked (but it would be safer to check/ask in the cid unlock post).
Re the spl, there are two allocation sets, spl1.2 and 3.5 with the latter taking up more memory for the o/s. In general the higher spl version roms have more bells and whistles but there is also the risk of more incompatibility crashes/problems with the extra clever new programs. Newer windows mobile versions will require increasingly higher spl/memory allocations.
To date I have never found a perfect rom- some are better than others depending on your requirements.
I went as far as wm6.1 from wm5 and played with many different wm6.1 roms.
At the time of writing MichyPrima has a wm6.5 that looks quite impressive.
The key thing to remember with any roms is that they are based on the buggy windows ce platform.
Good luck
You were right - dont't know about CID-lock, but I had't had SIM-lock on my device before for sure, and now I have already passed all 3 steps (Sim-unlock, CID-unlock) of Olipro's Athena Unlocker, having no additional problems And what could be more interesting: succeed even despite Windows 7 on my PC I've also updated radio to 1.57, but still having SPL 1.2... In the future will be needed 3.5 (e.g. for WM6.5 by Michy ), but I have no idea how to upgrade it Is the SPL avaliable as a file (like radio) to inclose it to RUU...?
hi mrkaczor
Sorry an ommission on my behalf.
There is no single spl upgrade per se. You need to do the ap4 upgrade which will move you to spl3.5 at the same time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387409
After that you can then try any of the other spl3.5 roms or if you ever want to go back to an earlier stock rom you will need the spl downgrader, found here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=405604
These forums are the best single source of info for htc owners but the info is not always as easy to find as perhaps it could be. I guess that there are very good reasons for this but that is cold comfort to a newbie. That said many of the memebers (much wiser than me!!!) are willing to devote a lot of time to helping others. I think that some of the more experienced and established members like to pretend to be grumpy sods... yet they still help those in dire needs.
Welcome to the "club".
Hope this helps
Hope I didn't come across as a "grumpy sod". I thought the wiki was fairly thorough and covered the OP's questions.
One thing I can tell you from experience - if you have 3G available in your area, you want to upgrade to radio 1.58. It has a large network speed improvement over 1.57 and all earlier radio roms.
imaginarynumber, yes - this DO helps...xD Thanks one more time
techntrek said:
One thing I can tell you from experience - if you have 3G available in your area, you want to upgrade to radio 1.58. It has a large network speed improvement over 1.57 and all earlier radio roms.
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But does it works correctly?? Couse author of the thread about Radio v1.58 writes:
lakeman said:
** adition October 2008 **
Unfortunately Video call is not playing nicely with this radio
I have had to revert to Radio 1.57 to get it working again
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So does 3G works on your device?? Because I have it available in my town, so I'd rather have efficient video calls...
BTW. And how it is about GPS signal? How long is your device waiting for it? Cause I've had radio v1.45 before, and it took ages for my x7500 to connect with satelites:/ And no chance for that inside the building (and for example my father's Mio p560 connects even from the building, of course not too far from some windows... Could Mio have better radio than HTC??)
Hi Techntrek
My slight wasn't aimed at you, honestly. I recently revisited the wiki after not having played with my ameo for ages and found that although it is comprehensive it is not "easy" to follow.
My grumpy sod reference was aimed more at the SuperGods such as Olipro- I have seen how much hard work he puts in so I assume that it is some kinda elder statesman bravado
I think the main problem is that there are too many assumptions re the experience of the reader. As a first timer it is difficult to follow.
Some of the threads in this forum become outrageously long, for example,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=477235
The above is a thread for the touch pro- it is hoped that users will post problems there rather than starting a new thread- there are over 2000 posts- how helpful is that.
I hope that I am not coming across as ungrateful but who has the time to go through such long posts- not even knowing if their problem is covered there or not.
I am unable to provide a better solution and thus respect people such as mrkaczor who have the guts to ask basic questions in-spite of the fear of being shot down. By the same token I also respect people like you (techntrek) who are happy to help others- keep it up
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With regard to the radio options- we have little choice with regard to radios compared to some other handsets- I never noticed any real improvement in GPS- others have. I never make video calls so issues here have never been a concern.
It seems that one radio might suit one mobile subscriber more than others. It might be helpful to mention in the radio thread which provider you are with and ask others on the same network which radio worked best for them.
Good luck
I've found a nice alternative to HSPL here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334667&page=10 and I've asked there if anyone used it on HTC Mega with no response.
So I'm opening this thread here and maybe anyone who knows better will light us up about how we can use JumpSPL safely with HTC Mega and what is the jump address for this device?
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I've found a nice alternative to HSPL here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334667&page=10 and I've asked there if anyone used it on HTC Mega with no response.
So I'm opening this thread here and maybe anyone who knows better will light us up about how we can use JumpSPL safely with HTC Mega and what is the jump address for this device?
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I would wait in your place to HardSPL before you make of your phone a paperweight. ..
anybody explain why is it so dangerous ? i know only that JumpSPL is more succesful on old devices ... but why ? and what's the real difference ?!
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anybody explain why is it so dangerous ? i know only that JumpSPL is more succesful on old devices ... but why ? and what's the real difference ?!
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technically HSPL is very similar to JSPL and SSPL... with just one factor difference... HSPL has overwrite protection..... finding the memory jumpmaddress is easy... but making the SPL stable for the device is tough especially since HTC has improved security on newer MFG bootloaders.... SO WAIT FOR HSPL.. or youll end up witha very expensive paperweight
Jump SPL needs a SPL to load and jump to.
Unless someone feels like patching a Stock SPL to be a SSPL then this won't work. (this is where cmonex comes in )
And for the love of God, please don't test any other devices JumpSPL / SSPLs.
Dave
Thanks for the answer.
faurionutz said:
I've tested on my Mega while I was trying to unlock it with mx-key dongle. It doesn't work yet
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same problem here...mxkey not working on this model.
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