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This is the biggest disappointment yet. VZW really dropped the ball. With the missing memory the phone is nearly crippled. For those that dont know all other variants of this phone have 256 megs of RAM. The VZW version as 192. I dont even see it all and the website says 128. By default TF3D is NOT even enabled. When it is... OMG! The lag is horrendous. Free RAM on first boot can be seen in my screenshot below. 45 megs!! Woot! Great job VZW. My vouge with a custom ROM boots at 75 megs free and has no freakin lag at all. Same thing with my Titan. My Titan will run circles around this disappointment in a shiny package!
This is a SAD day for me and all VZW users.
If your on VZW and are thinking of upgraded from a XV6800 or an XV6900 DONT DO IT! Its not nearly as nimble as teh sprint version. GPS is locked right out of the box. I am so let down. Luckily two days ago I got a brand new vouge. I am packaging this back up and sending it back to VZW.
UPDATE: I did some tweaking on the stock ROM and have the device running pretty decent now. Here is what I did.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2963848&postcount=30
Here is the full thread which is very similar to this one. Maybe we should kill this thread and continue on here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450196
Onto the Pros:
I can send it back
The screen is incredible!!!!
**Sorry for the rant.
Is that 45 megs free RAM while TF3D is running?
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Is that 45 megs free RAM while TF3D is running?
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No, that is no touchflow running.
Right now I am screwing around with MemMaid to see if I can tweak this thing. Its helped a little.....
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No, that is no touchflow running.
Right now I am screwing around with MemMaid to see if I can tweak this thing. Its helped a little.....
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30.09 Megs free with TF3D running. WOW!
got 4 of the phones in today, and i've been using it since 10am this morning with TF3D enabled......
TF3D works flawlessly on all the phones, no lag whatsoever in TF3D with google maps, opera, teeter, and activesync running
Does this phone have less memory than any other Touch Pro? Yes
Does it affect the performance of the phone? No. Period.
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got 4 of the phones in today, and i've been using it since 10am this morning with TF3D enabled......
TF3D works flawlessly on all the phones, no lag whatsoever in TF3D with google maps, opera, teeter, and activesync running
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Have you ever used one of my custom ROMS? This is very laggy. Can you post your free memory?
Oh man. I don't know where anyone EVER got the idea that reducing memory on a WM device was a good thing to do.
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Have you ever used one of my custom ROMS? This is very laggy. Can you post your free memory?
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i'm using the stock rom from Verizon
if your custom rom is lagging it sounds like a personal problem
I have yet to find a cooked ROM for the Verizon TP as from what i've seen everywhere the SPL unlocker for all the other TP's does not work with the VZW one
Do your ROM's work with the VZW Touch Pro?
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i'm using the stock rom from Verizon
if your custom rom is lagging it sounds like a personal problem
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You did not read my post accurately., I asked you question. I did not say I was using a custom ROM on this phone. I am asking you if you have ever used one of my custom ROMS? IF so you woul understand why I percieve this to be so laggy. My titan is much faster than this.
Everyone on VZW is using the stock rom as of now. There is no unlocker for this crippled model. NONE. They are working on it though. Its a differnt device DI than the rest of them.
What phone are you coming from? Can you give us more info so I can gauge if this is my phone having issues?
Could you post your free memory once again please?
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Do your ROM's work with the VZW Touch Pro?
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No. Only Vouge and Titan. I cant wait to get a ROM going for this if I keep it.
Namtaru said:
got 4 of the phones in today, and i've been using it since 10am this morning with TF3D enabled......
TF3D works flawlessly on all the phones, no lag whatsoever in TF3D with google maps, opera, teeter, and activesync running
Does this phone have less memory than any other Touch Pro? Yes
Does it affect the performance of the phone? No. Period.
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Wow. I just read teh second part of your post. WOW. Did you do any speed comparisons? I did. I sat it down with the sprint model side by side today and did basic tasks like sending text, slidgin with TF3D, etc. The VZW version with less memory was much slower.
Can you tell me what benchmarks you used to determine that the speeds were the same? I will run them as well and post my results. You seem to be shooting from the hip on this. You have no proof of what you are saying. If you could once again post your memory results on fresh boot with or without TF 3d running I would love to see. Once again I am trying to determine if my device is defective. Thats the only thing that can explain this lag.
WAIT A MINUTE.... 5 Posts.... Comes in only to say how great the phone is.,... You work for VZW dont you? Be honest.
Ok, I got this thing upto 60 megs of Free RAM without touchflow using MemMaid but thats the best i can get on the stock ROM. It helps the lag quite a bit actually.
Sorry, I misunderstood.......
I'm coming from an Apache using a helmi rom. Coming from that thing, the TP is night and day difference.
I have noticed that the phone lag's pretty bad when it is tilted horizontally, however the sprint phone i tested does the same thing. And again the TF3D is not any slower on the VZW phone than it is on the Sprint version, and i've been mukkin with this thing all day (hope my boss doesnt notice i didnt get any work done )
while running all the above in my previous post i had 22MB free
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Sorry, I misunderstood.......
I'm coming from an Apache using a helmi rom. Coming from that thing, the TP is night and day difference.
I have noticed that the phone lag's pretty bad when it is tilted horizontally, however the sprint phone i tested does the same thing. And again the TF3D is not any slower on the VZW phone than it is on the Sprint version, and i've been mukkin with this thing all day (hope my boss doesnt notice i didnt get any work done )
while running all the above in my previous post i had 22MB free
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Ok, then we both stand corrected. Thanks for the info. Apache was pretty slow device man. My Vouge is SMOKIN fast.
WE will have to agree to disagree. To you the device is worthwhile... To me the lacking memory has a huge impact. That fact that sprint boots with over 100 megs free and I am struggling to hit 60 while on my Vouge I can hit 75. I think I just need a custom ROM!
Hopefully this will be unlocked soon.
Yes, My boss came over today and said the same thing.. Said... Does that phone do your work for you too? I just lauged....
Two of my techs bought this phone as well. One on VZW and one on sprint. Another went out and bought the Samsung Something or other that was released with this one.
After another 15 minutes of use and tweaking I am starting to come around. i guess its not that bad for a STOCK Rom but I know it can do a whole lot more when its unlocked... Maybe I am partially frustrated that I cant get GPS yet other than VZ-Crapigator for $10.00 a month.
RE-read... TILTING IT CAN CAUSE IT TO LAG? Oh crap. Can we disable that motion sensor crap?
I put a vid up on my ftp to show you what TF3D is like on my phone with a bunch of apps running
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http://www.namtaru.com/uploads/2008/Files/TF3D_Demo.avi
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I put a vid up on my ftp to show you what TF3D is like on my phone with a bunch of apps running
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http://www.namtaru.com/uploads/2008/Files/TF3D_Demo.avi
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Ok dude, I take back what I said about you working for VZW> I am sorry. Just a bit fustrated. Check ing ouy the vid now but WMPlayer has no video, what codec is this in>?
i encoded it in xvid
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I put a vid up on my ftp to show you what TF3D is like on my phone with a bunch of apps running
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http://www.namtaru.com/uploads/2008/Files/TF3D_Demo.avi
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Holly ****, you wont believe this... Yours is way smoother than mine. Im not joking. This damn thing has to be defective. I will send it back. Yours is like what I expected. Mine... Oh no.. Nothing like yours....
Here is what mine is doing: Gets stuck on tabs like teh screen is dirty but its not, some tabs take twice as long as yours to open. For example, I go to weather and I have to kick back and wait for it to load.
I feared something was wrong with my phone and I think that proves it. When I go to work tomorrow I will compare it with my techs who got theres in.
Thanks again for posting this.... I may have to recant my initial statements.
Here's a decent video that shows the vzw touch pro booting (slowly), and then stalling when the user starts using TF3D. It get's better, but when the user starts playing music, you can hear skips in the music... The portrait to landscape change looks slow too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV8W...ab=nv&q=vzw TOUCH PRO&feature=player_embedded
is it me, or is it everyone here??
i never liked CDMA i always had GSM, especial that i travel to the Middle East (Jordan) once a year for a month.
i always thought CDMA was old tech, i still do.
for X-mas i wanted a touch pro, AT&T wanted $750 deposit (which by the way is more than the deposit i put on the apartment i rent, and my rent every month is $1500) so money is low, i check out sprint.
they had the best plan for the money, $99 for simply EVERYTHING, including Navigation.
so my girlfriend bought me one at Best Buy for $199 and sprint approved me for 2 lines with no deposit.
signal here in Southern California (Orange County) is actually not bad.
ran a speed test on EVDO where i live and i got 1.6Mbs which is really cool considering i had a TYTN II on T-mobile's EDGE.
so i open XDA so i can customize this bad boy, and there isn't many ROMS to choose from, so i did the customization using apps and tweaks and the phone runs flawless, 3 days not even 1 reset
and trust me i run everything on the phone from Excel, to media to youtube to qik, Skype is running all day by the way.
i used to use TomTom on my Kaiser but i dont think i need it now with Telenav
so is the stock ROM fast enough for every one here??
i am very happy with the phone, TouchFlo 3D runs very smooth
no complaints except the fact that i cannot do DATA and Voice at the same time, too bad i guess thats why theres Skype, now i wish they would allow video calling!!
Moe
I've had this phone for about 2 weeks now & I have to say that the stock ROM seems good enough for me as well. Coming from a Tmo Wing I'm extremely pleased @ what this phone can accomplish with the stock ROM. I'm sure that I will flash a cooked ROM sooner or later (as I did many times with my Wing) & I am guessing that the new ROM can only make things better.
By the way, how did you get speedtest to run on your phone (always been curious about that)?
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By the way, how did you get speedtest to run on your phone (always been curious about that)?
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http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed
i also used my laptop to go on speedtest.net while connected to my touch pro through usb and Internet connection sharing, it wont work on its own cuz sprint doesnt want u to tether but there is hack here somewhere that lets u do it!
CDMA is old tech? Huh?
As for the original question, yep I think the Sprint ROM is pretty darn good, considering. Do the cache tweaks and it's pretty responsive and smooth.
Haven't yet felt the need to find another.
My Sprint Touch Pro with stock ROM is fast enough and works well enough that I'm completely satisfied with it. Would it work better with a tweaked ROM? Maybe, but I don't care. As I already noted, my phone works well enough and I'm not one to fix things that aren't broke. That, and I've already had my fill of problems with tweaked ROMs.
As for Sprint's features versus the other carriers, the people I know who carry a TP or Fuse from the competition all seem to be a little miffed by the fact that their phones don't include as many features as the Sprint TP.
I should also add that I live and work in Orange County, CA and have an Everything plan too.
Pete
dr g said:
Do the cache tweaks and it's pretty responsive and smooth.
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Can you post a link to these "cache tweaks"?
Thanx.
Pete
PGRtoo said:
Can you post a link to these "cache tweaks"?
Thanx.
Pete
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http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=41770
First three items
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I agree that after the tweaks my sprint stock rom is speedy and crash proof. I love it
I actually just flashed my Sprint TP for the first time to a ROM I made through PPCKitchen. It's a little quicker and TF3D is a little smoother as well, but I don't think it was worth the trouble to get the minor (at best) boost in performance.
I did the few tweaks and have zero problems with the stock Sprint ROM. I've been with sprint for almost 6 years and with the exception of about 5 dead spots (all carriers have the same ones here in Cleveland) no problems. This is probably one of the best devices I've had from sprint.
Come to the light!
After upgrading from an AT&T Tilt that I was using with T-Mobile service, I was convinced the Sprint stock TP ROM was pretty darn good as well (I flashed/customized the crap out of my old Tilt).
I ended up keeping the stock Sprint ROM for about three months until today, I flashed the MightyROM and let me just say OMGWTFGTFOBBQ!!!
This is FCKING AMAZING!
But I figured since there are some people here still running the stock ROM, would anyone be willing to post the stock wallpapers from the Sprint ROM I forgot to copy them to my SD card before I re-flashed and there were a couple that I really liked, and I don't want to have to re-flash the stock ROM just to get those backgrounds...
There were two in particular that I really want, one was a fire-flower and the other was a bright green vine/plant on a white background.
MAD MAD MAD props to anyone who would be willing to post those up for me!
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There were two in particular that I really want, one was a fire-flower and the other was a bright green vine/plant on a white background.
MAD MAD MAD props to anyone who would be willing to post those up for me!
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Hope that helps
My hero!
That's awesome! Thanks a ton.
yet another example of why I love xda-devs!
thanks again!
B
Sprint stock rom good enough??
Has anyone tried this one from ppcgeeks.com ?
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=61966
This is supposed to work with the new touch flow 2 being developed by
XBoxMod. It looks promising
mrfett79 said:
Has anyone tried this one from ppcgeeks.com ?
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=61966
This is supposed to work with the new touch flow 2 being developed by
XBoxMod. It looks promising
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Juicy 6 is the bomb, if you want to run Rhodium.
stock ROM
When I first got the phone I was really frusterated with it. I was coming from a Motorola razor.. so u can imagine... A friend has the Fuze and he showed me how cool you could make it, I started reading this site and ppc and was doing all kinds of customizations and tried out many different ROMS, I had some issues along the way but nothing I wasnt able to fix, but then I started noticing that When I texted or used my e-mail, my keyboard was lagging real bad, and it would consistantly tyyyypppeeee the same letter over again... un usable! and the on screen key pad is real small.. I had to use the stylus to text or e-mail. I tried all the supposed cab fixes out there, and I reflashed to two different ROMs .. and back to Sprint ROM.. NOTHING worked. I was so pissed! y buy a phone with a keyboard if you cant use it... (ill take part of the blaime though.... messing with it)
Sprint sent me new one and keyboard is fine... Im sooooo scared to change ANYTHING on it now, But I think part of the fun with these phones is being able to try new things and customize it the way that you want it.
I dont know what to do ... risk trying to find a good rom that wont mess with the crucial pieces of my phone, or just trying to find good cab files to customize it... I mean in reality the sprint Rom is plenty fast. but There are so many features that it lacks....
I think the latest Sprint Stock ROM for the Touch Pro is good. But I must say, after trying some custom ROMs, they only improve upon an already good thing. For Rhodium Manila, I recommend StarROM, version 1.6a or 1.7m are in my opinion better than Juicy 7. Because with StarROM, you can make calls from Manila.
there are plenty of cdma roms over on ppcgeeks
Im Getting My TP Mailed TO ME TOm. ANd I JUs Wanted To Get A Feel Of WHat U Guys Like And Dislike About The Many Custom Roms THat Are Out There For The TP....Mcuh Appreciated
Thanks
This ? gets asked alot and the response is usually to try for yourself because for one thing the rom cooks all work very hard at their craft and it's not fair to rate their work as one being better for whatever reason. Also what one person prefers in their own rom on their device is diff from what someone else likes. I have tried them all and they all show excellence in their crafting. I have found I prefer the lighter roms, but not always. I have many saved on my laptop and go back and forth alot between them. I would suggest you read up on the rom threads and then choose your first, after that try some more, saving ones you like. Alot of excellent chefs hang here and I for one appreciate each and every one as they have made my phone experience full of innovation. Enjoy your tp. It is an awesome device and when it starts feeling mundane.......New ROM Time!!!
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This ? gets asked alot and the response is usually to try for yourself because for one thing the rom cooks all work very hard at their craft and it's not fair to rate their work as one being better for whatever reason. Also what one person prefers in their own rom on their device is diff from what someone else likes. I have tried them all and they all show excellence in their crafting. I have found I prefer the lighter roms, but not always. I have many saved on my laptop and go back and forth alot between them. I would suggest you read up on the rom threads and then choose your first, after that try some more, saving ones you like. Alot of excellent chefs hang here and I for one appreciate each and every one as they have made my phone experience full of innovation. Enjoy your tp. It is an awesome device and when it starts feeling mundane.......New ROM Time!!!
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Yeah I Understand What U Mean Now That I Think About It....IVe Actually Been Doin Some Searching Today Around The Internetz While I Shouldve Been Working and Found A Brand New Rom On PPCGEEKS.COM...Looks Pretty Interesting. But Once Again Thanks For Your Input.
i have tried a handful of different roms on my cdma touch pro. most of them at ppcgeeks.
my favs (no particular order)
Calkulins Custom WM6.5 Rhodium
NRGZ28 Energy Series Roms
NFSFAN's WM6.5 Rhodium Manilla Rom
a few i've tried which arent bad at all, just felt the above were better:
SsS Series Roms
Psyki Roms
have not been a fan of the: (sry guys) (i admit it was a while ago the last time i tried them)
juicy roms
mighty roms
i completely agree with bryan on his post tho. i appreciate every bit of work these guys do to release to us the "best" experience possible on our phones. every single one of them deserves major props & gratitude for their hard work & time/effort. dont be afraid to donate a small amount to these guys if you appreciate what they are doing. i think HTC/MS should hire most of these guys b/c their work is incredible & often times better than what the manufacturer does.
p.s. it would be great if you didnt't capitalize every first letter. it makes it really hard to read especially when u accidently hold shift for the 2nd letter also
I personally am a fan of Juicy 8 and MightyROM 6. They are both great speedy, stable, and dependable ROMs. As others have said, to each his own and you just have to take the plunge and try a few out till you're happy. Good luck and happy flashing!
*beware* this flashing process everyone talks about....
can be quite addictive. to say the least lol
I Like JD's the best.....
Go to www.ppcgeeks.com
And check him out.
I have a cdma TP and I am running NFSFAN WM 6.5 rom and I love it!
I tried Mighty6... I switched back immediately.
what ever you do, defiantly load a custom rom, It turns it into a whole new phone!
Just follow the directions on the forums and you are in there!
I dislike how how you structure your grammar.
lol..
there are so many good ones but my top fav in no particular order are:
dcd roms
psyki roms
energy roms
juicy roms
Score one more for Juicy 8. There's very little I'd change about this ROM, it's excellent.
Wondering if anyone's experienced better battery life with one over another. Batttt life or lack of it is my only real issue. Using a 2000mAh and still charging twice daily.
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Wondering if anyone's experienced better battery life with one over another. Batttt life or lack of it is my only real issue. Using a 2000mAh and still charging twice daily.
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I've experimented with many ROMS and battery life. Although the ROM itself is quite bare...the collaboration between Mighty and Silence (which can be found on ppcgeeks) seemed to give me the best battery life. Although I absolutely loved EnergyRom, it gave me the worst battery life (out of approximately 7 different ROMS I flashed). I personally use NFSfan's ROM's...seems to have the best balance.
Turning Touchflo 3D off certainly helps with battery life. Also, ensure your push e-mail is using imap-idle (outlook e-mail scheduler, System Seven, etc). Lumos apparently helps with battery life (although I have never tried it). Don't keep CPU and Data intensive programs like Skype and Opera open unless you absolutely need to. After comparing with battery monitors (whether this SHOULD be the case or not, I'm not sure) Wifi uses more battery (even with adjusted power settings) than 3G EVDO. Try to increase the interval or eliminate plugins/applications that use the internet to refresh data (i.e. RSS hub, Weather Update apps/plugins).
@Motorious, thanks for the input. I'm really watching it and trying to actually see what is causing the drain. Always close out of programs, etc. It seems it can suddenly become warm with nothing done on my part. I notice it comes out of sleep on it's own sometimes like some thing woke it up. I've tried almost every rom combo and agree while energy is fantastic it does suck it down faster. I tried using a light, no tf3d v. and no really noticable diff. I just have lots of chargers in diff rooms at home, my office and truck so I'm never caught short, just confounded is more like it. I love tweaking/playing with it so no worries, just wish I could figure it out. Could it be the 3g being on all the time? Every thing else is off.
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@Motorious, thanks for the input. I'm really watching it and trying to actually see what is causing the drain. Always close out of programs, etc. It seems it can suddenly become warm with nothing done on my part. I notice it comes out of sleep on it's own sometimes like some thing woke it up. I've tried almost every rom combo and agree while energy is fantastic it does suck it down faster. I tried using a light, no tf3d v. and no really noticable diff. I just have lots of chargers in diff rooms at home, my office and truck so I'm never caught short, just confounded is more like it. I love tweaking/playing with it so no worries, just wish I could figure it out. Could it be the 3g being on all the time? Every thing else is off.
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hmm try using a battery monitor such as powerguard or tbattery to see where your drain is coming from.
EnergyROM 'Aurora' is the best for me. Very fast and stable. As far as I have seen with this build, haven't been able to find any bugs. Also Sprint TV does work in this build. The only disadvantage is battery life, however, there is a folder in the Start Menu on this rom that has modding tools.
Check out EnergyROM 'Aurora'
My experience
I tried the following.
Might Rom - Loved it, but I my battery life was terrible.
Warrior ROM - I didn't like it, but the battery life was the best that I experienced.
SsS Rom - It very fast and stable. The battery life was better than Might, but not that good.
Currently using EnergyRom. I really like it. I've only had it installed since yesterday. So far the battery life is a little better than SsS, but not as good as Warrior ROM.
Just my non-scientific 0.02 cents worth.
Currently a VZW user with a TP....I have tried several different ROMs and although each one was good and I appreciate the hard work that these guys put into these things, there are different flavors for different people. Here's my assesment:
TFSFAN's....best Rom out here for looks and apps. After running it about a week I started having some issues with Lag, ect. I may go back to this one as It may have just been user error issues here...
DCD's ROM Good and stable rom but very basic and stripped down. If you are looking for just the basics this maybe the way to go....
Energy's ROM....Looks good. But didn't really function the way I wanted it to. I didn't like the touch flow interface on the bottom of the screen. Ran stable though...
Mighty's ROM....currently running for about 4 days. Good and stable. If I can work out a few tweeks this maybe the one to keep! Good apps! Just want to get a few things working and test it a bit longer....
Hi all,
I am a techy at a large secondary school in the UK. In my wisdom I organised the rollout of 7 XDA Serra devices (O2 branded Raphael) to members of senior staff early this year. Now.... I have had no end of moaning about the appalling ROM O2 supplied, I have changed the radio version and disabled 3G to get 3 days+ from battery, where it was previously 1 day max, added slide-to-unlock and slide to answer.
However the handsets are still frankly rubbish. Crashing and freezing, especially when you try to use them as - god forbid - a phone.
I have two choices -
either find a really good stable and useable ROM (which I hope you can help with!) -Getting them all in for upgrade is the highest level of tedium, so if this is going to happen its going to be a one-shot thing. Gotta get it right first time. These people are middle-aged school workers so dont care about the bling, its gotta be easy to use.
or (the hard way) say they are "unfit for purpose" and try and send them back to O2 for something else.As much as I love fighting the big boys, I really cant be bothered. If they are going to be swapped theres only one handset the senior team would accept. iPhone. Yuk. (IMHO).
So - do you think I'm onto a loser to begin with? is this handset just a dog? It was so hyped at launch I didnt think I could go wrong.
or is it just the ROM? If just the ROM then what's the best ROM around that will tick all the right boxes?
In the meantime I'm off to play with my new HD2....
Thanks in advance.
if you want a simple rom, with smooth operation and good features, try TAEL standard edition. I can vouch for it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=561158
o2 serra
The bad news....The rom supplied with the Serra is a dog (as you have probably learnt). Has problems 'sleeping' at night, is graphically horrible & freezes whenever challenged!
The good news... The device is a winner, all problems are software related, you have some re flashing to do & there are plenty to advise on simple stable rom's better than me.
Clearly with multiple devices & reflashing, you need to be aware of voiding your warranty. Dropped mine four foot onto slate floor & the screen started acting badly.... A freezer might come in handy.....Enjoying NRGZ Rom on a replaced device
Yeah I had figured the Serra ROM is a dog.Thanks for confirming that to me tho!
Your suggestion the hardware is a winner has given me some hope, so thanks.
I will test out the TAEL ROM and see how it fares.
In fact I think I was at one point using the TAEL ROM myself. (I couldnt stand the O2 ROM more than about a week)
If it passes my in-house testing (giving it to my boss for a bit - he's impartial) then I may try the rollout. See if I can fend off the iPhone wanters and their pitchforks.
Any other suggestions for ROMS welcome of course.......
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... See if I can fend off the iPhone wanters and their pitchforks...
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iPhone, Blackberry, Nokia, Palm Pre! even!...
Usually, only the win32 centric IT type like the WinMo. You should have titled your post "Best device for simple folks"
Who's paying for that Leo?
Your prob right, but I got these at the start of this year, when the iPhone (IIRC) only just got exchange sync, and the pre was a distant dream. Plus half of the staff already had Windows PDA's. So I was thinking it would soften the learning curve.
You know what its like now - people act like children over bloody iPhones. I'm not an Apple hater but its horses for courses, iPhones and Macs fine as a choice for home users but not a business tool. Dont get me started on the iPod touch being described by apple as a "handheld learning device" to flog it to education! grrrrr.
And the Leo? I fought for two of them in place of two serras that developed faults cos there was no equivalent replacement.
Hmm, if you ask me, the best ROM that just works is EnergyROM (the most current one is Phoenix 2). From my experience, EnergyROM is very fast, very stable, and tends to be streamlined. In my opinion, this is probably the best ROM for simplicity.
Mind you, I'm not knocking Tael ROM. I tried the version with Sense 2.5 recently and I'm in love. It is shockingly fast and stable; much more so than any other ROMs with Sense 2.5 that I tried.
Simple ROM
If i were you id use Tael's rom... i used Energy ROM for about 7-8 months because it was eye candy and had a lot of apps i needed... its the best looking and most loaded ROM there is in this forum... but i made the switch because the battery didn last very long and i started gettin a lot of bugs after like a month of use... don know how it happened... Energy ROM is more for personal use and for showing off... (Dont get me wrong... i appreciate all the work NRGZ does and all the time he puts into his wonderful ROM)
I switched to Tael's ROM about like a month ago and it is the most stable ROM there is... during this whole month i didn have one problem with it. the ROM has only the most basic and useful applications... It also gives me a battery life of about 3 days on normal texting, bluetooth for like 5-6 hrs a day, phone usage of about 2 hrs of talk everyday and 3G on at all times! if i probably turn of the 3G, auto updates of some program, and stop using bluetooth... i would get atleast 4 days out of it! If u want a reliable ROM with almost all the functions of the phone, Tael's ROM is the best!
OK, so what about the best simple ROM for tilt, or both tilt and fuze?
I just picked up a Tilt and Fuze and would greatly appreciate advice as which best "simple" (=stable, easy install) ROM would be for each, please? And ideally, if there is a ROM which would cover both? (I'm on t-mo)
many thanks
Tilt, unlocked to T-mo
Fuze, unlocked to T-mo
sagarc88 said:
If i were you id use Tael's rom...
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Er, EnergyROM is the most loaded ROM? I think you're mistaken. That would probably be Chrome ROM (which even the author calls 'the Cadillac' of ROMs).
Your claims about battery life confuses me even more. I put my Fuze (with EnergyROM at the time) through a stress test and it lasted roughly 6-8 hours with constant Youtube, video playback, and 3G radio. I have not done the same for Tael ROM, but judging from usage, it would lastly roughly the same amount.
I'm not saying you were lying about your experience regarding EnergyROM, but I just wanted to put in that ER is definitely not as bad as you described.
i'm liking taels rom right now, it seems to be faster than the energy rom as i'm getting less hang ups while scrolling etc. battery lif is about two days with tael and about the same with energy, sending/receiving 300 txts a day and maybe a couple of phone calls...
I'm torn on this thread ...
... part of me feels it should remain open to allow the OP to obtain the information required to make an informed decision for his faculty users.
... and part of me feels it should be closed as these types of thread end up with posts full of emotionally charged opinions about chefs and their roms.
@cjwhite:
If the thread remains on topic and devoid of emotionally charged opnions, I'll leave it open. Once you have obtained all of the information required, please issue a request to have this thread closed.
I'd recommend that you stay away from any roms using the new office 2010. It's beta, and expires in 5-6 months. Since the phones aren't going to be updated frequently (hopefully never, I'm sure), you don't want any part of time-bombs. You might consider just flashing a stock HTC rom.
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I'd recommend that you stay away from any roms using the new office 2010. It's beta, and expires in 5-6 months. Since the phones aren't going to be updated frequently (hopefully never, I'm sure), you don't want any part of time-bombs. You might consider just flashing a stock HTC rom.
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I agree. Just grab this ROM: http://www.htc.com/www/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=140&cat=2&dl_id=501 and you won't regret - it's bug-free, stable, fast enough.
Alternately, you can try shep's ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=497699, but not the new version, because it's buggy. I recommend the "old" ROM (10. august), I used it for a month without problems, then I reverted to HTC latest primarily because I don't like 6.5 Start Menu.
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Er, EnergyROM is the most loaded ROM? I think you're mistaken. That would probably be Chrome ROM (which even the author calls 'the Cadillac' of ROMs).
Your claims about battery life confuses me even more. I put my Fuze (with EnergyROM at the time) through a stress test and it lasted roughly 6-8 hours with constant Youtube, video playback, and 3G radio. I have not done the same for Tael ROM, but judging from usage, it would lastly roughly the same amount.
I'm not saying you were lying about your experience regarding EnergyROM, but I just wanted to put in that ER is definitely not as bad as you described.
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I'm a Chrome ROM lover, they are as loaded as NRGZ ROM.
Performance they both have their pros and cons.
For the ROM your looking i would suggest nothing but Timolol's ROM.
They are so fast and So basic.
As basic as stock with no extra apps.
They don't have a manila version hece only the simple titanium to use.
They are on a old build which is very stable.
Though i would never use such a bland ROm but for the people for whom you are going to Flash the ROM this is the Best ROM.
Give it a try.
It is really Light !
Timolol's ROM
Even the chef calls it "Stock like ROM"
Hi everyone.
There was a worrying moment where I thought we were going all emotional!
Mind you its the varied opinions that make this place so interesting.
I'm really grateful to all of you for your effort in replying.
I think the bottom line is I need a ROM for "someone who has never been on XDA-Dev".
I'm going to try Tael's latest ROM as I've personally found it solid enough in the past, and the feeling I'm getting from you is that it is pretty well liked.
I do however like the idea of a stock ROM. What would they be missing out on by using the stock HTC ROM? Anything a normal person would miss?
Cheers
Chris
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I do however like the idea of a stock ROM. What would they be missing out on by using the stock HTC ROM? Anything a normal person would miss?
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Nothing really important. On stock ROM there is an older Manila build, that's maybe the most important thing, also cooked ROMs are often loaded with apps. But, stock HTC ROM has one big advantage over all cooked ROMs - absolutely everything is working, and that's not the case with cooked ROMs - there's always something wrong, missing from ROM etc. For example, on most cooked ROMs (OS 6.5) you will find that video call doesn't work, if it works there are some other bugs with the dialer, such as non-working USSD codes or inability to answer calls (not chef's mistake, just dialers ported from other devices do not work 100%). Then there are some other problems - on one ROM MMS ain't working, on the other battery is pathetic, or the phone is very slow and buggy due to the use of Sense (Manila) 2.5 etc. You get the point - if you choose cooked ROM, there will always be something that isn't working, question is - do you (your workers) need those non-working functions.
Well...... I just flashed TAEL standard ROM."launch browser" button not working on internet tab.
@pilgrim011 - Perhaps your right!
cjwhite said:
Well...... I just flashed TAEL standard ROM."launch browser" button not working on internet tab.
@pilgrim011 - Perhaps your right!
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Did you try the timolol's ROM.
Everything is working on that !
You must give it a try.
I read, thread after thread, where people said that SenseUI was a huge slowdown for the benchmarks (Quadrant, NeoMark, etc) and that once the 3VO was rooted, it would be as fast as the Galaxy SII.
Now the root process is out and there are scripts to remove Sense. So, did the phone speed up at all or is the dual core Snapdragon just slow?
I'm past my 30 days, but I have had numerous issues with my phone. I am either going to swap it, or ask to just return it. Since the phone has this many issues, they usually will not care that I am at 33 days.
Anyway, I love HTC phones because of the hacking community, I loved my EVO4G and I like to think that the 3VO will get better with custom ROMs and kernels. But, if removing SenseUI and having root hasn't really improved performance, I may just skip this version and wait for the next EVO.
I don't care if it is as fast as the SGSII. I just want to see a good improvement.
LD
Benchmarks can't measure user experience, they are simply a tool for bragging rights.
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After I disabled almost everything htc and sense related possible. I did see a significant increase in the browser performance. That's just something I noticed.
husker91 said:
Benchmarks can't measure user experience, they are simply a tool for bragging rights.
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I understand that. Yet, that is mostly when you are comparing two different phones. When using just a single phone, they can be a great tool for measuring performance changes.
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After I disabled almost everything htc and sense related possible. I did see a significant increase in the browser performance. That's just something I noticed.
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Great to hear. Is this just with the Android browser or also with, say, Dolphin?
I can't imagine what you consider fast. In my experience Samsung's phones always fall behind HTC in user experience speed, but do well with 3d acceleration
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LordDavon said:
I read, thread after thread, where people said that SenseUI was a huge slowdown for the benchmarks (Quadrant, NeoMark, etc) and that once the 3VO was rooted, it would be as fast as the Galaxy SII.
Now the root process is out and there are scripts to remove Sense. So, did the phone speed up at all or is the dual core Snapdragon just slow?
I'm past my 30 days, but I have had numerous issues with my phone. I am either going to swap it, or ask to just return it. Since the phone has this many issues, they usually will not care that I am at 33 days.
Anyway, I love HTC phones because of the hacking community, I loved my EVO4G and I like to think that the 3VO will get better with custom ROMs and kernels. But, if removing SenseUI and having root hasn't really improved performance, I may just skip this version and wait for the next EVO.
I don't care if it is as fast as the SGSII. I just want to see a good improvement.
LD
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You go from saying it wasnt as fast.. to saying it had a bunch of issues to saying it wasn't fast enough again.
Do you honestly think the SG2 is going to be even noticeably faster without first watching a video of the 2 phones side by side?
No. I guarantee you wouldn't. But since you see a video of the SG2 loading 100th of a second faster....than gee whiz is this thing an abacus or what!
Are We Not Phones?
We Are D3VO!
Are we not phones?!
3.DeE.V.O.!!
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Great to hear. Is this just with the Android browser or also with, say, Dolphin?
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I only use the stock browser, but after freezing all the bloat, pages load faster and the bookmarks pull up a lot quicker. Just everything seems snappier.
husker91 said:
Benchmarks can't measure user experience, they are simply a tool for bragging rights.
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tell that to my exwife
Even removing a lot of sense stuff all the sense framework is still there. Sense won't fully be removed until there's a cm7/aosp build out, which will take a little while.
Not to mention someone is gonna have a LOT of work to get 3d to work with aosp source.I'm guessing a lot won't care about that(I don't), but some will. I'm gonna start messing around with some.aosp stuff this weekend.
sense or not, rooted or not. This phone is still fast. Faster than my og evo i know that. If i want to appreciate my e3d and its speed, all i need to do is grab my niece phone (my old evo which i gave to her).
You can wait for a senseless rom, but dont forget that sense gives you a lot of convenient apps within. Any rom that i flash will be a sense rom on my e3d.
Wait until there are some custom kernels available for this phone.
I've been hearing that the second core acts more like a failover than a true dual core, where if the first core is maxed, then it can take threads make a difference. I'm sure every custom kernel will make use of it in more of a multithreaded manner, and then you might see some big improvements in both benchmarks and real world use.
Also, I'm eagerly awaiting SBC. On the 4VO with netarchy's SBC kernel, I could get 36 hours out of a charge if I wanted to. On this 4VO, I'm lucky if I get 6 with the same usage pattern.
I'd say the sweet spot for 4VO development came 7 or 8 months after release. It will take some time for the 3VO to get to that level, but it will.
On a side note, now that root is out of the bag, I'd like to personally extend my middle finger in HTC's direction. Shame on you for making it this difficult and opaque. Shame on you for having two faces.
Y does it matter if ur phone is faster than another there is always gonna be a faster phone an Samsung does a great job with the software on there phones it has Hardware acceleration in browser so browser wise it won't be faster an Samsung is just better honestly hardware wise :-/ but yea 3VO is still fast period
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Jasonhunterx said:
Y does it matter if ur phone is faster than another there is always gonna be a faster phone an Samsung does a great job with the software on there phones it has Hardware acceleration in browser so browser wise it won't be faster an Samsung is just better honestly hardware wise :-/ but yea 3VO is still fast period
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Until you need to get directions somewhere!! I'm eagerly awaiting custom kernels and roms!!!
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xjman said:
I can't imagine what you consider fast. In my experience Samsung's phones always fall behind HTC in user experience speed, but do well with 3d acceleration
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The SGSII is only brought into the equation because of the XDA forums. The phone is faster, yes. But, I am not going to get a Samsung phone. I only bring it up because it seems to be the "new benchmark" of phone performance.
My daughter has the Samsung Epic 4G. It has lag in some areas that my EVO4G never had. Although, it can do some serious graphics. So, I agree with you.
felacio said:
You go from saying it wasnt as fast.. to saying it had a bunch of issues to saying it wasn't fast enough again.
Do you honestly think the SG2 is going to be even noticeably faster without first watching a video of the 2 phones side by side?
No. I guarantee you wouldn't. But since you see a video of the SG2 loading 100th of a second faster....than gee whiz is this thing an abacus or what!
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Ummm.. No. Reread the OP. I said that I've read that SenseUI was bogging down the phone and that I've read people saying that without it, the EVO3D will be just as fast. I then talk about my issues with the phone, and the options that I have. I then state that I care only to see an improvement in speed.
With my EVO4G, I ran CM7. I am looking at running it again and would like the best phone for CM7. I am not getting a SGSII, but I am looking at the Photon 4G.
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I only use the stock browser, but after freezing all the bloat, pages load faster and the bookmarks pull up a lot quicker. Just everything seems snappier.
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Thanks. I get a lot of lag during browsing and I mostly use Wifi. Some pages go fast, while others take forever. Although, most of my apps use the default browser, Miren and Dolphin are the two I select the most.
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Even removing a lot of sense stuff all the sense framework is still there. Sense won't fully be removed until there's a cm7/aosp build out, which will take a little while.
Not to mention someone is gonna have a LOT of work to get 3d to work with aosp source.I'm guessing a lot won't care about that(I don't), but some will. I'm gonna start messing around with some.aosp stuff this weekend.
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Awesome info! Thank you. I don't know much about SenseUI and how deeply it is integrated. I wouldn't mind poking around with some AOSP myself.
I tried getting CM7 downloaded once. I went to the page with the source code and got lost in all of the forks. There were so many different repositories, I didn't know which to look at.
If you can shoot me a PM with some of the locations your pulling, I would be more than happy to give you a hand. I work as a developer, but have been on the same code base for the last 4 years. I've been wanting to play with Android for a while. I work mostly with Java, but I also do a little C and C#.
charlie hustle said:
sense or not, rooted or not. This phone is still fast. Faster than my og evo i know that. If i want to appreciate my e3d and its speed, all i need to do is grab my niece phone (my old evo which i gave to her).
You can wait for a senseless rom, but dont forget that sense gives you a lot of convenient apps within. Any rom that i flash will be a sense rom on my e3d.
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I do like a lot of the new features, but the weather app FCs on me a lot. I have also had it maxing my CPU quite a bit. I put an app on my phone called Watchdog, and it is alerting me when it gets over 40% now, so I can kill it.
I find that the swipe sensitivity is too high for switching home screens. A quick flick and the screens start spinning. I also get graphical screw-ups on the icons and widgets. I have also had the phone hang up for 30 - 45 seconds (estimated) when leaving an application. I am guessing it has to do with SenseUI refreshing.
I loved SenseUI on my EVO4G. I am not sure I am loving it on the 3VO. I wanted to because there are so many different ways to tweak it now. Although, I did get bored of Sense after a while and liked having all the different download options after moving to CM7.
Maybe there will be an optimized SenseUI ROM that I will like.
ZachPA said:
Wait until there are some custom kernels available for this phone.
I've been hearing that the second core acts more like a failover than a true dual core, where if the first core is maxed, then it can take threads make a difference. I'm sure every custom kernel will make use of it in more of a multithreaded manner, and then you might see some big improvements in both benchmarks and real world use.
Also, I'm eagerly awaiting SBC. On the 4VO with netarchy's SBC kernel, I could get 36 hours out of a charge if I wanted to. On this 4VO, I'm lucky if I get 6 with the same usage pattern.
I'd say the sweet spot for 4VO development came 7 or 8 months after release. It will take some time for the 3VO to get to that level, but it will.
On a side note, now that root is out of the bag, I'd like to personally extend my middle finger in HTC's direction. Shame on you for making it this difficult and opaque. Shame on you for having two faces.
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I wonder if that is why the battery life is so bad. I was only getting about 3 hours before. Now that I have Watchdog killing rogue apps. I can get about 5.
Jasonhunterx said:
Y does it matter if ur phone is faster than another there is always gonna be a faster phone an Samsung does a great job with the software on there phones it has Hardware acceleration in browser so browser wise it won't be faster an Samsung is just better honestly hardware wise :-/ but yea 3VO is still fast period
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It doesn't matter if it is faster. If you reread my OP, I never say I want it faster.
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Until you need to get directions somewhere!! I'm eagerly awaiting custom kernels and roms!!!
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Ha! All kidding aside though. You did remind me of one of the features I liked about the EVO3D. It has both aGPS and GPS.
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To everyone:
I guess those of you who are HTC fans or Samsung haters want to read more into this than it really is.
It really is simply that I am having issues with my 3VO. I can either return it and get a different phone or get another 3VO. If I get another 3VO, I'm glued to it for the next 11 months. That is, of course, unless they change Premier again.
I am just hoping that the performance improves with the root. Many of you are happy with its performance. I'm not. Maybe the other issues are causing the performance issues. Maybe they aren't. But, if I switch it out for another 3VO, I am stuck with it.
So, I thought I would ask the question in a forum of users, hackers and developers.
One thing I will have to admit, the ROM developers are running at full speed!
Anyway, a quick update. I went to the store and all they would do is reset my phone. This is after I told them I already reset it twice. So, I have to wait a few days and go back. Still having all of my issues.