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The Cingular forums are now shutting down discussion re the new ROMS ... nice ... just trying to keep us from helping each other out (you would think it would be to their benefit, so folks don't bug their non-existent customer service)
see here for all the gory details.
This is getting more and more ridiculus by the day
Hallllllo M$ and providers. when we buy a device we ALREDY get a licenced WM, what's your problem???????????????????????????????????????
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The Cingular forums are now shutting down discussion re the new ROMS ... nice ... just trying to keep us from helping each other out (you would think it would be to their benefit, so folks don't bug their non-existent customer service)
see here for all the gory details.
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the thread has been resurrected for the time being...no idea how long that will last though.
This is just like Cingular, I have been told that this update would be out since Dec. by Cingular sales and it never has. We cannot help it if Cingular is so slow on getting updated services out. If they would put more effort in service and less on what they are going to call them selfs maybe they could supply better service. I have 19 cingular accounts and may move all of them if they don't get there act together.
Steven -
Do what my wife did, she is part of the State of FL gov contract on Cingular and she has a fair bit of power in moving accounts so she basically said if you can't support your gear with updated ROMs maybe she would move accounts somewhere else.
I doubt they care but who knows...
so many dumb-ass flashed their phones w/o reading the instructions, bricked their phones and start to call Cingular/ATT for help/repair/replacement. Next thing we know, MS is trying to remove all ROMs, ATT removing thread about new ROMs....
That's y we should make this community go underground, ban the suckers who don't read, link ROMs to rapidshare or other similar sites instead of this site's FTP server.
It's sad to see we have to remove the ROMs but I wouldn't blame MS or ATT for asking XDA-developers to do so.
Oh, btw, if you guys care go sign the petition, show us some supports even if we dont get what we want.
peace.
It's the War on Common Sense. And since all of us are a minority here, ignorance and misinformation prevail.
The main reason Big Business does this is because the executives are a much older generation that is scared and terribly confused by the Internet. So to them, we're all looking to ruin their business by making their phones work in ways they didn't intend for them to be used. What they don't know is, our solutions are much better than the ones they provide (hence the void we're filling by being here, supporting, and working out their phones for free) and if they were to release even just half of the ROMs the XDA community cooked up, they'd have a much happier customer base.
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This is just like Cingular, I have been told that this update would be out since Dec. by Cingular sales and it never has. We cannot help it if Cingular is so slow on getting updated services out. If they would put more effort in service and less on what they are going to call them selfs maybe they could supply better service. I have 19 cingular accounts and may move all of them if they don't get there act together.
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Cingular/AT&T is pretty much the only carrier with even a _leaked_ rom... so how are you going to say that they're slow? They're actually ahead of the curve, in my opinion.
The 8525 came out in November. I'm pretty sure that there must have been some miscommunication if you recall someone in December told you the Rom would be out tomorrow (or any specific immediate timeframe). "Soon" is not necessarily "one month" or less. I think sometimes we hear and preceive what we WANT to be the truth based on what we actually _did_ hear. I mean, as far as I can tell, HTC just released the 3.3 rom to carriers a matter of weeks ago. Cingular has been working on things other carriers aren't doing, too (PTT, Cingular Video, etc.) So they're putting more into the rom than most of our European counterparts need to (with the exception of video calling... yet.)
I guess what I'm saying is that we, as enthusiasts, expect more than the average customer. And as for Cingular / AT&T, of course they don't want to be providing support for an unofficial and likely unfinished rom. Honestly, having inexperienced and impatient Cingular customers reading about this leaked rom and trying to put it on their devices prematurely would certainly cause a terrible amount of problems. Again... it's _leaked_ and _unofficial_, so they should not feel like they have to support it.
Just my 2/3 of a nickel.
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It's the War on Common Sense. And since all of us are a minority here, ignorance and misinformation prevail.
The main reason Big Business does this is because the executives are a much older generation that is scared and terribly confused by the Internet. So to them, we're all looking to ruin their business by making their phones work in ways they didn't intend for them to be used. What they don't know is, our solutions are much better than the ones they provide (hence the void we're filling by being here, supporting, and working out their phones for free) and if they were to release even just half of the ROMs the XDA community cooked up, they'd have a much happier customer base.
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I disagree. I believe the truth is if they released half the roms on here, they're customers WOULD be confused, scared, and lost because they have no idea what rom they should be running. They'd have no idea why something doesn't work perfectly on one rom and better on another. Or why one radio may or may not be better. Think about how many people on here aren't reading everything they need to and bricking or nearly bricking their devices. And these are the ones SEEKING the information. The average 8525 user on Cingular's network isn't quite as interested in this stuff as we are here.
Knowledge is power, but unstable power is chaos.
Think about it.
Xda-Developers is a great source for those seeking to know more about their devices than just its typical uses. But anyone who really wants the knowledge will seek it out and find it (just as we all did). Throwing an incomplete rom at the average lawyer who needs Microsoft Direct Push and not much more is likely to cause more problems than it's worth for AT&Tingular as well as for us (because we'll be the ones trying to clean up the mess).
I think I should sign off on this before I infuriate some of those out there who just want to vent their frustration. And we all know the company with the dollars is always a great target to do that.
Does't surprise me in the slightest.
I am sure many OEMs and phone companies are sick of people bricking their phones and claiming warranties (of course they never admit to using cooked ROMs or even trying to upgrade them - 'Just woke up one morning and it wouldn't boot up').
I enjoy this forum too but don't tell me it doesn't encourage people to do things they shouldn't, and are not willing to take responsiblity for.
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I enjoy this forum too but don't tell me it doesn't encourage people to do things they shouldn't, and are not willing to take responsiblity for.
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I have to disagree with that statement... I wasnt aware that giving warnings to the users that flashing their phone could brick it and that they need to read and make sure they fully understand what they are doing before they do it was encouragement... I know that when i came to this board and saw the warnings about flashing cooked roms it freaked me out.. i was registered for several months before i ever made a post, spent countless hours reading all the threads to make sure i fully understood my device before i did anything to it.. its the people that dont read and brick their phone that want to come back and blame us for their mistake.. This is a developers board and quite frankly alot of us go out of the way of development to help people in need... we especially go above and beyond any kind of help that you would recieve from your provider
My 2c
I have to agree with shogunmark. I know I made very sure I read every last thread and wiki before I attempted anything as rash as upgrading a Radio stack. This was because of my fear of bricking the unit, because so many people warned it could. I was even willing to endure the mass "RTFM" and "RTFW" flaming if i wanted to make sure I understood everything correctly before risking my device.
I believe the largest part of this community are users that gather here in the spirit of sharing the knowledge about the device to encourage greater growth of the community- the more people, the more mods & hacks & cracks and experiences will become part of the knowledge base.
yet im still trying to figure out how "MAY BRICK YOUR DEVICE" warnings are encouraging...
Come on guys!
Sure there are countless warinings but simply the enthusiasm and excitement amongst the experienced crew, when a new possibliity appears (GPS, WM6, AKU this, AKU that) causes less experience people to get caught up in it.
I'm not for one minute discouraging XDA developing, just TAKE RESPONSIBLILITY IF YOU BRICK YOUR DEVICE AND DON'T GO CRYING TO THE OEM OR TELCO FOR WARANTY. Pay for your mistake and buy another.
I have seen, on this forum people advising others to go back to their supplier with bricked devices and try to get a warranty. It is hard for the supplier to argue with someone who says their device 'Just stopped working', when infact they bricked it, and in the spirit of good customer relations they often replace it. Why wouldn't suppliers be negative toward forums like these when they are placed in this situation.
Sigh... I've been told that HTC's single greatest returned device is the Wizard followed closely by the Hermes. Reason: bricked.
We post the warnings, but plenty of people don't take the time to fully understand then brick their devices anyway (hermes is especially bad in this respect). Then they try to return them.
In many ways, this is the manufacturer fault b/c they are trying to thwart users who try to upgrade or change their devices. Hermes development feels like spy vs. spy sometimes as we crack something and then the next bootloader/radio bootloader comes out. Consequently pre sspl hermes flashing was damn near rocket science. Problems were rampant. Heck, I even saw one poster try to flash the original signed_nbh into the OS area with the 1.01MFG bootloader
They're all gonna try it. There's no minimum IQ required to be a member here.
Ideally, we need to find a way to bring any HTC device back to life from brick status. It's only corrupted memory after all. If the correct bytes are written, the software works. When I did SE phone hacking, there were such devices. Because of this, users with bricked phones could take them to their nearest SE phone center and they would re-flash and un-brick (for a price of course).
This ridiculous swapping of bricked devices is what needs to change. Posters need to take financial responsibility for phones they brick. HTC needs to make their hardware flashing system available to Operators at phone centers.
Unfortunately, this won't be the case. Instead, they'll go after us because they can see an ROI impact in terms of bricks. What they can't see is the intangible increase in sales that we stimulate or the intangible loss of future revenue that shutting us down represents.
Sign the petition. Get your friends to sign it. Get it posted on other forums. Get it into the news. Operators and M$ need to be able to see this intangible.
on the other hand with the hermes and returns... we just got to a point to where we could brick them less than a month ago... most of the returns before then was by manufacturer fault, i know this because i was one of them, i had a ton of bad blocks in the wrong spot....
its to bad we dont have an easy rom kitchen for these.. something that would make it damn near impossible for the person who cant read to brick their device.. i dont know.. im tired and going back to bad, my post isnt making much sense to me right now
but i do agree with you sleuth!
Wow... check out the attitude here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=294365
Kinda proves my point.
Add a success story here - mainly because I am competent enough to read and ask the right questions when there was vague information.
I am not new to flashing/modding, but the Hermes definately takes it to a new level.
The difference with me, should I ever brick my device - I would just deal with it. I came here with the understanding that the tools available to us come with an increased risk should you not actually understand what you are doing. You need to be aware that you should own up to the possible mistakes and not try to send a bricked device back for warranty....
Two individuals who make this place so great - Pof and Sleuth. Pof has done such a great job with the wiki and his tools - all you need to do is take a few days to read about the device and the steps you need to make. Sleuth brings a different element (and his programs) to the forums and has the patience to point questions to the right areas of the wiki.
My advice - if you plan on unlocking/upgrading take at least a week and read the wiki. Make sure you have all the pieces needed to complete what you want to do. Sync your device and backup all your info - be prepared to hard reset and start from scratch - twice in some cases.
Set aside plenty of time that your phone will be down during this process.
This site is by far the best there is - it's a shame that people rush into things some times.
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Ideally, we need to find a way to bring any HTC device back to life from brick status. It's only corrupted memory after all.
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HTC should put JTAG out in its new models
Seriously, it's a big flaw that every official ROM image overwrites th bootloader, even with the same version. The whole firmware history teaches that the bootloader should not be touched by end user.
So, the solution is to make custom ROMs flashable by parts, w/o affecting the bootloader. This should prevent bricking... does not revive existing bricks though...
But your overall point is good: manufacturers get angry because of a lot of returns, and care shell be taken to calm them down.
on another note about the cingular boards... i got banned there was a thread about the lack of good moderation in the HTC board over there, i spoke my piece and got banned... it wasnt even bad, just offered some suggestions.. so much for contructive criticism and free speech..
Can remove simlock from HTC Raphael and from any other HTC devices.
This service is not free.
Please send me a Private Message for details.
P.S. you do not need to reflash, disassebly, hard reset your device!
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Can remove simlock from HTC Raphael and from any other HTC devices.
This service is not free.
Please send me a Private Message for details.
P.S. you do not need to reflash, disassebly, hard reset your device!
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You can call your service provider and have them unlock it
they have to unlock it if you request
Nice try though
First of all not all providers give you the unlock code. Even if they do they have contract terms and conditions which have to be satisfied before they give you the unlock code like you must have completed 6 months of the contract..
Secondly the unlock code wont be available to you instantly, you must wait for 15 days to 1 month before you get the code.
Third :- You must be the owner of the phone + contract for them to give you the code ( This is where most people miss out)
its a shame to put advertisement like this in a forum that consists of people trying to get this same feature for free ...
you should share the info or just go to e-bay !
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its a shame to put advertisement like this in a forum that consists of people trying to get this same feature for free ...
you should share the info or just go to e-bay !
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Whilst I may agree with you, this same argument is raised every time a new HTC phone is released and Tupisdin offers a paid for unlock for it.
You have the choice to not take him up on his offer and wait for a free version to be created; he simply offers a service for those who need it now.
you and many others...
funny he got the phone whilst it not even being released..
i'd probably better off ignoring this
you are so right
guys plz don't take this one like the diamond one.
the money charged by tupisdin is going to the forum and not into his pocket, so that's generous.
well if thats the case i'll pay directly to the forum show him the confirmation note and he can give it to me freely then?
People this is legit, the moderators and admin know about this and the only currency changing hands goes directly to the forum as a donation.
END of story.
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Can remove simlock from HTC Raphael and from any other HTC devices.
This service is not free.
Please send me a Private Message for details.
P.S. you do not need to reflash, disassebly, hard reset your device!
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shame on you man, put this for free and donation paypal link
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People this is legit, the moderators and admin know about this and the only currency changing hands goes directly to the forum as a donation.
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well if thats the case then there is no issue with me giving the money directly to the site and getting the unlock. why complicate things?
I dont actually need an unlock but this guys has been just about as shady as the European Unions financial records, we should have access to all details of the transfers of this money....if he is to be believed that is.
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shame on you man, put this for free and donation paypal link
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theres no free lunch today , not even, you have seen many free solutions, but not this one, if you are in a hurry and dont want to pay, ha ha ha you have to forget about unlocking raphael, its too new and, very expencive to unlock at this time. thats the life just get over it. and dont forget about all the free stuff xda-dev has given you.
and i know tupisdin is a real gentleman and already helped loads of xda-dev members. and you can trust him 100% to get your raphael unlocked
you know, a few years ago that was exactly why this forum existed to HELP people do this stuff, funny thing is people still donated money because it was a great place to be, that was back in the day when folk were trying to get thinks like WM05 running on WM2003se, or 2003 running on 2002, buz lightyear did some fantastic work and never asked for a penny, people donated to him and im sure folk have given him old devices as well.
That has changed, sadely, perhaps we need an XDA developers pro or something because this is not the place it originally designed as
buzz
buzz............ capitol, grand expert and man.
What I have been asking, how is Tupisdin getting the unlock codes? Is he working for htc, or does he have a calculator or something...
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What I have been asking, how is Tupisdin getting the unlock codes? Is he working for htc, or does he have a calculator or something...
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And i very much doubt you will get an answer.
I have no doubt he either works for HTC, or knows someone who does, like many others here who currently do or have in the past.
But the bottom line is, that he is able to sim unlock them, he charges for it which he then donates to xda-devs. if you do not want to pay, then don't. Wait until someone else creates a free version.
As for things having changed, maybe not so much. the number of people who donate or try and help is still tiny compared to the number of people who come here and leech, and flame, and ***** when they kill their device cos they didn't read the instructions properly. and sadly the number of people like this has increased dramatically over the last few years as these devices get more popular.
And besides, for most of the guys here who develop stuff (like Olipro, Cmonex, schaps and many others), they work damn hard so why the hell shouldn't they get a little something for it? Would you go to work and expect not to get paid??
OK everyone has said thier piece, nothing has been on topic since I requested it to be so sorry folks, thread over........tupisdin you can create another one if you so wish but it seems the majority of people want a free ride!? shame really.
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Can remove simlock from HTC Raphael and from any other HTC devices.
This service is not free.
You will get unlock code in 5 minutes to 72 hours.
It will costs 50$ = 34EUR = 27GBP by donation to xda-developers.com - http://forum.xda-developers.com/donations.php
Please send me a Private Message for details.
P.S. you do not need to reflash, disassembly, hard reset your device!
Fellows, can anyone give a feedback on successful/unsuccessful sim unlock? Thank you!
cheshira said:
Fellows, can anyone give a feedback on successful/unsuccessful sim unlock? Thank you!
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Sim Locked Phones are not out yet.
sumitescp said:
Sim Locked Phones are not out yet.
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Oh yes they are my friend... At least TMN ones...
Diamonds as well as Raphaels
Cheers.
They are out T-Mobile has MDA Vario IV out which is a contract phone.
from the raphael... there are NO BRANDED raphael yet and you can buy the code from your provider if one really feels the need to and cant wait till people fix some proggy for it ....
yes this is great bull**** and yes we been here and yes it freaking irritates me !!
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from the raphael... there are NO BRANDED raphael yet and you can buy the code from your provider if one really feels the need to and cant wait till people fix some proggy for it ....
yes this is great bull**** and yes we been here and yes it freaking irritates me !!
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what is bull**** / irritating?
and if you want us to er, fix up a program for it... hopefully soon done
this unpresent force to donate in order to get this code...
i still dont see the point in this .. no need to discuss
codes work for this people whom like to have it.. donations go to the forum ... correct me if im wrong
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and if you want us to er, fix up a program for it... hopefully soon done
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yes things progress quickly now that the phone is more available
da_jojo said:
this unpresent force to donate in order to get this code...
i still dont see the point in this .. no need to discuss
codes work for this people whom like to have it.. donations go to the forum ... correct me if im wrong
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donating the money is upto you, if you dont want to unlock it then you dont want it, but there are people who need to unlock their phones immediately, NO FREE SOLUTION AT THE MOMENT
well as for free solutions to the average freeloader - none.
cheap solution - as I promised earler in this thread it is here ... Raphael / Touch pro sim unlock by OliNex
contributors as always, get it free ...!
anyone who gets upset that it is not free for non contributors, well, consider that you still get your locked device real cheap overall *and* it is now unlocked too, and the total amount is still not much!
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well as for free solutions to the average freeloader - none.
cheap solution - as I promised earler in this thread it is here ... Raphael / Touch pro sim unlock by OliNex
contributors as always, get it free ...!
anyone who gets upset that it is not free for non contributors, well, consider that you still get your locked device real cheap overall *and* it is now unlocked too, and the total amount is still not much!
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that makes more sence doing it this way, what bugs me is the apparent need for a middle man as is the case with other "unlockers", i donate straight to the forum which is exactly where the money goes anyway so why the middle man, just seems a bit daft if you ask me.
Course things have changed on here over the years, an as they say you dont get anything for free any more so thats how things have to be now.
I am sure I take more from xda than I give, and I do try and help out when I can, but frankly most of us don't have the same skill set as olipro/cmonex. In case you haven't noticed who made your spl lately, take a look. I respect their work and think they are being more than fair. The amount they are charging doesn't even come close to covering the amount of work they put in, not to mention the free software and support they supply the forum. I wish xda would go to paid memberships (10-20£ a year for everyone but active cooks) to weed out a lot of junk and help support those who contribute. Without XDA, my phone(s) would suck.
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I am sure I take more from xda than I give, and I do try and help out when I can, but frankly most of us don't have the same skill set as olipro/cmonex. In case you haven't noticed who made your spl lately, take a look. I respect their work and think they are being more than fair. The amount they are charging doesn't even come close to covering the amount of work they put in, not to mention the free software and support they supply the forum. I wish xda would go to paid memberships (10-20£ a year for everyone but active cooks) to weed out a lot of junk and help support those who contribute. Without XDA, my phone(s) would suck.
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Im saying that what olipro/cmonex and co do is better than what otherpeople do on here, they give people the opertunity to get it free if they contribute which is exactly what the forum was made for in the first place, i dont agree with free loaders taking and not giving, what bugs me about all the other folk who charge for things is that they dont take in to account what that person gives back to the comunity financially or otherwise.
Can we use Diamond radio ROMs after this security unlock ?
my pro was already unlocked
i have just recieved my Pro from HI, in toerh words the DUTCH provider KPN, and it was already unlocked, not a problem whatsoever, i even tried it with my T-Mobile sim, and it functioned perfectly.
so i dont know if basically they give em out locked or not, as most of my friends who have got that phone recieved it unlocked.
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that makes more sence doing it this way, what bugs me is the apparent need for a middle man as is the case with other "unlockers", i donate straight to the forum which is exactly where the money goes anyway so why the middle man, just seems a bit daft if you ask me.
Course things have changed on here over the years, an as they say you dont get anything for free any more so thats how things have to be now.
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not sure what you mean by middle man.
anyway, yes you still get many things for free such as the hardspl itself! that will ALWAYS remain free. and then, many cool custom roms and packages/cabs, descriptions and support for unbricking the usual non special bricks, support for flashing too, etc. etc.
edit: ah I see there is no disagreement after all.
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Can we use Diamond radio ROMs after this security unlock ?
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yes! you can.
(making message 10 chars long )
Great news ! Gonna upgrade as soon as I get home. Thanks for all the hard work !
I want to buy a phone that is locked to vodaphone from adbroad... If i donate and u give me this advice will i be able to unlock it and use it 100% ?
Do you want free HTC Raphael security unlocker, for unlimited IMEI'S ? Please vote here
Are you able to provide one, or are you suggesting that the people who worked hard to make one, and have contributed massively to this community, should give it away for free?
Of course people want something for free where possible.
Sorry for the rant if you're offering something you made.
please excuse my ignorance but what exactly would that provide for me?
Look at it as an "encouragement" for users of the forums to help support the developers that spend a lot of time working on all of these tools. Remember, none of what happens here would be possible without those devs. I am happy to pay the $20 to help support/reward their efforts. You should feel good about donating!
...my .02 anyway
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what is the reasoning behind those whom voted no may i ask??
Think the need is difference. If you have a phone that is simlocked. You will be very happy with a sim unlocktool from Olipro. And of course spend a little bit money for that. But the security unlock is only for flash other radio roms, that is not the same. So I can imagine that not everyone wants to buy it.
And I know, that's my own choice. I donated a bit in the past for a rom. And there are some good roms and more very nice software. And maybe I will donate another project in the future but I can't donate for every tool I use.
Yes, and a free car, and a free house.. I don't understand this poll.
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Yes, and a free car, and a free house.. I don't understand this poll.
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Me neither.
borce_razor, I don't want to be disrespectful but do you have a free unlocker which you are going to provide to this community?
If yes, why do you need this poll.
And if no what are you trying to prove?
I bought olipros unlocker even tough I would probably have been able to get it for free. But I was able to spend a huge amount of money for my TouchPro so why should I get the unlocker for free if someone has spend probably days of work to build a proper unlocker?
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Think the need is difference. If you have a phone that is simlocked. You will be very happy with a sim unlocktool from Olipro. And of course spend a little bit money for that. But the security unlock is only for flash other radio roms, that is not the same. So I can imagine that not everyone wants to buy it.
And I know, that's my own choice. I donated a bit in the past for a rom. And there are some good roms and more very nice software. And maybe I will donate another project in the future but I can't donate for every tool I use.
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Exactly the same here, I couldn't put it better.
But hell, look at it on the bright side, just as I do: no security unlock, no time wasted on testing all those diamond and blackstone radio's, and after a while having to flash it back to a raphael radio due to bugs etc...
yeah i would like a free security unlocker
now i am not able to flash any diamond and experia radios on my touch pro
in my country you cannot use paypal and i am forced to use only orginal touch pro radio roms which really sucks
i can only read about other people experiences with new radio roms
and longer battery life...
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Yes, and a free car, and a free house.. I don't understand this poll.
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My sentiments exactly. I want everything free. I never want to pay for another thing.
To the OP,
If you have an unlocker you are willing to provide that is not a hacked or copied version of the one already created, please feel free to PM me. My other email is also included in my contact info. So, if you have something to provide, please let me know. If not, then this another useless thread.
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Hey all,
I've been a lurker for a while, been looking for a way to encourage the now Google-owned Motorola Mobility to unlock their bootloaders much like HTC has wisely done, but it's becoming more and more obvious to me that they don't care about the "minority" of us that actually feels as though we are entitled to full admin rights on our phones that we either paid a ton of cash for, or signed a lengthy contract to obtain. Verizon is the one blocking it? HTC found a way, and so can Motorola Mobility...that is cop-out.
My proposal is that there be an effort to unlocked the bootloader, I am not some expert programmer, and I am open to whatever will help the cause. I know there was a bounty on it, but to me this isn't about money, I'll donate time, money, information ripped from my phone if it, in some way, contributes to unlocked that bootloader. Even if you need my unused CPU cycles to calculate things, I don't care, just tell me what I can to do help, because I am sick of not being able to use my phone to it's fully potential.
Maybe I am being naive, but I believe if we all worked together we could accomplish this goal. If you agree, please, let's organize and figure this out!
-Joshua
I love optimism
I'm down with the movement...
This phone does have mad potential to be so limited compared to other phones.
I just can't believe that we are running an unofficial, incomplete version of CM7 and it runs smoother than stock Blur.
Is that telling you something about Motorola?
Do you guys think Google will make that decision for Motorola or will Moto stay the same?
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Worth a try...
Re: Google changing Moto policy
I don't know so much about Google changing Motorola's stance on the locked bootloader, we've tried petitioning the company themselves, but have we tried petitioning Google? Or maybe it's too soon, maybe they are working on it right now? Hard to tell, and I don't want to put pressure on Google too soon especially if they are trying diligently right now to do the right thing.
But the above poster is right, cracking it ourselves is definitely worth a try. I have contacts (unfortunately know inside Motorola), I know people with lots of knowledge on encryption, I'll be honest one of my friends does have a knack for the impossible, but this would be too much for one lone person. I also have a few computers in the house, to donate computing power. None above 5 GB of RAM unfortunately, but my friend with all of that know-how does also have a synchronous 20/mbit up/down connection to the net, if that helps, and I have another friend that is the linux admin at a an unnamed private university in Durham that might could lend a hand in some way.
We have the resources, we just need to pool them.
Someone with the realistic technical know-how, just tell us where to begin, and the shortest path to getting to our goal and we'll do all we can to contribute!
Thanks for understanding and not just writing this off as a pipe-dream...because I know if we work together we can accomplish almost anything.
-Joshua
spyda256 said:
I don't know so much about Google changing Motorola's stance on the locked bootloader, we've tried petitioning the company themselves, but have we tried petitioning Google? Or maybe it's too soon, maybe they are working on it right now? Hard to tell, and I don't want to put pressure on Google too soon especially if they are trying diligently right now to do the right thing.
But the above poster is right, cracking it ourselves is definitely worth a try. I have contacts (unfortunately know inside Motorola), I know people with lots of knowledge on encryption, I'll be honest one of my friends does have a knack for the impossible, but this would be too much for one lone person. I also have a few computers in the house, to donate computing power. None above 5 GB of RAM unfortunately, but my friend with all of that know-how does also have a synchronous 20/mbit up/down connection to the net, if that helps, and I have another friend that is the linux admin at a an unnamed private university in Durham that might could lend a hand in some way.
We have the resources, we just need to pool them.
Someone with the realistic technical know-how, just tell us where to begin, and the shortest path to getting to our goal and we'll do all we can to contribute!
Thanks for understanding and not just writing this off as a pipe-dream...because I know if we work together we can accomplish almost anything.
-Joshua
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i love your optimism i have some old pms that may help with the effort
SHA-1 brute force can be cracked for around $2 of Amazon cloud computing service.
http://www.geek.com/articles/news/r...for-2-10-with-amazons-cloud-service-20101122/
Isn't boot loader use SHA-1 encryption?
(of course, the key may be much longer, but it may not be impossible for cheap. I say try to pool together like $100 and try Amazon cloud computing a try?)
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hpark21:
I like the way you're thinking, does anyone else think this might be a good call? I know there was a bounty of around ~$800 somewhere, so I doubt if all of us who rightfully were promised and unlocked bootloader wouldn't mind pooling a bit of money for the computing power, hell I myself would give $50 to the effort if we knew it was a viable solution.
Other thoughts?
Also, ztotherad, if you could send me those PMs maybe we can sift through those and see if there are some other avenues, nothing is off the table at this point.
thanks again for coming together on this, that is the true meaning of community.
spyda256 said:
hpark21:
I like the way you're thinking, does anyone else think this might be a good call? I know there was a bounty of around ~$800 somewhere, so I doubt if all of us who rightfully were promised and unlocked bootloader wouldn't mind pooling a bit of money for the computing power, hell I myself would give $50 to the effort if we knew it was a viable solution.
Other thoughts?
Also, ztotherad, if you could send me those PMs maybe we can sift through those and see if there are some other avenues, nothing is off the table at this point.
thanks again for coming together on this, that is the true meaning of community.
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i can def send you them, idk how much help theyll be
Uh, I think it's already been established that brute forcing it is impossible.
Stuckinabox said:
Uh, I think it's already been established that brute forcing it is impossible.
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In one of the many threads concerning bootloader unlocks, I believe the chances of us finding it were determined to be 1mill:1. It would take us over a decade to manually come up with the key. I don't want to kill confidence, but I'd like to keep things relatively rational.
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Stuckinabox said:
Uh, I think it's already been established that brute forcing it is impossible.
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it's been established that brute forcing is nearly impossible, not completely impossible
it is something that would take an insane amount of resources to accomplish , and/or time ,
it would really come down to "how lucky are we?" really, as in::: how lucky are we that we stumble across or know a genius that can crack it, stumble across needed files, etc...
good luck to all who try, I wish I could do anything to get us there, but I don't know the first thing when it comes to this stuff, don't give up the dream!
Basically, what it comes down to is:
Find out what their hash key is. (encrypted password)
Then, try to go through all valid characters and see whether the input matches the output hash.
If one is lucky and they used short enough password, then it will be quick to find.
If unlucky and they used really long password, then the answer is that we won't be able to find it in REASONABLE time. (I would say 1-2 months to be reasonable - at $2/hr, it would cost $48/ day).
Only issue is when do we stop?
hpark21 said:
Basically, what it comes down to is:
Find out what their hash key is. (encrypted password)
Then, try to go through all valid characters and see whether the input matches the output hash.
If one is lucky and they used short enough password, then it will be quick to find.
If unlucky and they used really long password, then the answer is that we won't be able to find it in REASONABLE time. (I would say 1-2 months to be reasonable - at $2/hr, it would cost $48/ day).
Only issue is when do we stop?
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There was some kind of crazy algorithm applied to each character to generate the correct item for each number of the key, correct? We would have to come up with that too?
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THANK YOU! Finally ... a revived movement. I pledged $100 on another thread and I'm good for putting it toward an unlocked bootloader again!
To learn from one of the most influential groups of our generation ... anonymous utilizes botnets to pool computing resources ... if we get a tool that could function similarly, could we not pool 1000s of computers together to crack it faster? It would make what is not feasible for a small set of computers to do... feasible. If all most users have to do is download a tool that gives us access to processing power and bandwidth ... users will download the hell out of it.
Count me in.
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Hope
I understand doubters, and odds are likely against us, but that's ok, no one person can do it, and maybe not just one method, but somehow we WILL get to our goal. Whether Motorola capitulates or we find a method to crack it, we will not have this awesome hardware go to waste.
I am not generally a "black hat" kind of person, but in this case we are in the right so far as I am concerned (please don't quote DMCA BS to me, lol) because they made a promise to their customers, and it will be kept, whether they like it or not.
So, I am with the above poster that mention he didn't know quite where to start, or where we have already made progress, but if someone can help us out, explain the process, we figure out how to move forward. (Please forgive the run-on sentence).
I've minimal experience programming, only VB.net, C++, and a bit of Java from college, and I do tier 2 desktop support for a bank these days, but on my off time I'd love to spend it on something worthwhile, all of you deserve this, and we'll make it happen.
Maybe it's the troubleshooter in me that sees the problem and says "oh no, there's a way, we just need to find it". I have a colleague, the one I spoke of before, he has a knack for doing incredible things, so once we have a breakdown of what we need to do, perhaps he can be of help.
So my friends, where do we go from here?
spyda256 said:
I understand doubters, and odds are likely against us, but that's ok, no one person can do it, and maybe not just one method, but somehow we WILL get to our goal. Whether Motorola capitulates or we find a method to crack it, we will not have this awesome hardware go to waste.
I am not generally a "black hat" kind of person, but in this case we are in the right so far as I am concerned (please don't quote DMCA BS to me, lol) because they made a promise to their customers, and it will be kept, whether they like it or not.
So, I am with the above poster that mention he didn't know quite where to start, or where we have already made progress, but if someone can help us out, explain the process, we figure out how to move forward. (Please forgive the run-on sentence).
I've minimal experience programming, only VB.net, C++, and a bit of Java from college, and I do tier 2 desktop support for a bank these days, but on my off time I'd love to spend it on something worthwhile, all of you deserve this, and we'll make it happen.
Maybe it's the troubleshooter in me that sees the problem and says "oh no, there's a way, we just need to find it". I have a colleague, the one I spoke of before, he has a knack for doing incredible things, so once we have a breakdown of what we need to do, perhaps he can be of help.
So my friends, where do we go from here?
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sir, did you get my pms?
Re: PMs
Nope, just saw them, thanks for that!