Hi, has anyone separated the radio from the Rhodium Tmobile rom and tried flashing it to their Touch Pro? I was wondering if this would enable the Tmobile 3G bands because I am assuming they both have very similar hardware. I have the HTC Fuze if anyone was wondering.
johnny13oi said:
Hi, has anyone separated the radio from the Rhodium Tmobile rom and tried flashing it to their Touch Pro? I was wondering if this would enable the Tmobile 3G bands because I am assuming they both have very similar hardware. I have the HTC Fuze if anyone was wondering.
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Yeah someone did and they bricked their device if I'm not mistaken.
Read: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=497270
Man I thought it hasn't been done yet. Well, maybe someone can figure out how to do it. Maybe it was just a bad radio? I was reading through the Rhodium rom thread and it seems like they have gotten corrupted rom uploads before so maybe he extracted it from a corrupted source.
i hate to break it to you but it can't be done. the might have similar hardware but to date, there has never been a successful band change on any phone, ever. there is no chance as the radio version doesn't even affect the radio's frequencies. no matter what radio you flash, you will never be able to get Tmobile 3G from a phone that doesn't come with the 1700 or 2050 (We should come up with a name for this band because it's different from the rest of the world's 2100). I know the Fuze has the 2100 band but it is the rest of the world's version. Maybe in the future someone will figure this out.
johnny13oi said:
Hi, has anyone separated the radio from the Rhodium Tmobile rom and tried flashing it to their Touch Pro? I was wondering if this would enable the Tmobile 3G bands because I am assuming they both have very similar hardware. I have the HTC Fuze if anyone was wondering.
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DON'T DO IT!!! SERIOUSLY.
Yes, it was me who bricked his phone trying it. A simple look at the Radio number is a dead giveaway that the radio is completely different. But hey, if you'd like to brick your phone like I did, give it a go.
Captain_Throwback said:
DON'T DO IT!!! SERIOUSLY.
Yes, it was me who bricked his phone trying it. A simple look at the Radio number is a dead giveaway that the radio is completely different. But hey, if you'd like to brick your phone like I did, give it a go.
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Wait a minute. Why would that happen if your phone is security unlocked?
I was thinking the same, maybe you flashed a corrupted radio? I am not telling people to kill their phones, just maybe someone smart enough to disassemble the radio and see if it can be used on the fuze.
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Wait a minute. Why would that happen if your phone is security unlocked?
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The radio is incompatible with the phone. I was able to flash the phone fine, but because parts of the Rhodium radio stack appear to occupy the same memory area as the Fuze bootloader, the bootloader got corrupted by the flash, and my phone became a semi-brick.
johnny13oi said:
I was thinking the same, maybe you flashed a corrupted radio? I am not telling people to kill their phones, just maybe someone smart enough to disassemble the radio and see if it can be used on the fuze.
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Well, you can surely ask around, but P1Tater likewise bricked his phone trying to flash a Rose radio that was also incompatible. The same thing happened to him (corrupted bootloader).
I don't think there's anything wrong with the Rhodium radio from that ROM, but once the new 3.44 Radio is available, go ahead, have fun with it. I'm sure we'd all like to know what happens.
Yes, do NOT do it.
The Bootloader is launched by the OEMSBL or Radio Boot loader, with this overwritten you are toast. This is not a Tilt, so entry into the secure area is roughly impossible.
The rub is that if you do it you are screwed because the only way to recover envolves opening the device, finding the right place to solder & buy yourself a Jtag box.
Closing this thread so it fades away... hopefully everyone will heed the words of the Captain.
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I'm new to all of this and am trying to fix my ATT 8525. The problem is that I have horrible reception. Im in a 3g area but during calls people cant hear me and they hear crackling. I determined that on Edge vs 3g it works better...so I installed a hack that allows me to select the Band and force it to stay on edge. That helped a ton...but still not even nearly as good as my friends older phones or my sister's Treo 685 (?).
SO from reading it seems I need to update the radio? Its currently 1.40.30.00
Exactly what is the process to do this? I've read posts here and am a bit confused and am worried Ill mess it up...its still under warranty as its only a couple weeks old. can someone help me...in non tech terms, the process I need to follow.
Thanks!
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_ExtractedRadioRoms
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so...
SO is the order of install:
HardSPL
then the radio update, with Radio upgrade only using CustomRUU 4.3?
Or is there a better, safer way?
What does, "You can now do radio only upgrades in Bootloaders other than SPL 1.04." mean? DO I have to install a bootloader or is it already installed from att and how do I check?
Sorry for all the questions - this is all new to me.
patches123 said:
SO is the order of install:
HardSPL
then the radio update, with Radio upgrade only using CustomRUU 4.3?
Or is there a better, safer way?
What does, "You can now do radio only upgrades in Bootloaders other than SPL 1.04." mean? DO I have to install a bootloader or is it already installed from att and how do I check?
Sorry for all the questions - this is all new to me.
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HardSPL will not make flashing the radio safer. HardSPL makes your phone *superCID so that you may flash ANY ROM (not radio or radio bootloader) even if the CID is different. So if your radio and radio bootloader are not locked down, anytime you flash a rom that includes the radio and radioBL, they will be upgraded along with it. Then you would have to do radio-only upgrades; if they are even necessary.
I would check the hermes wiki for information on flashing radio upgrades.
Personally, if the reception stinks in your area, I don't think flashing the ROM will make it any better. The cingular radio roms are developed by HTC for Cingular. Any differences in RF, imho, would be strictly due to environmental, geographical and cellular system factors. All this talk about better battery life and RF gains in newer radios is purely subjective and comes down to a he-said she-said situation. However, if Cingular has a new WM6 version out with a new radio included; you may as well flash it as it may help you out. I am not sure, but is the new Cingular rom an official final release? Or just a leak/test version?
I dont think its been officially released yet. Well, I am not going to worry about doing it now if the consenus is that reception will not be improved. Funny thing is that reception in my area is great...its this phone. All my friends and family have ATT and absolutely no problems. I have used it in 3 different major cities in different parts of the US and have the same problem in all. I love this 8525 for everything but phone calls. ATT is sending me a new one this week and I am hoping its better...otherwise I might have to get a different phone completely.
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HardSPL will not make flashing the radio safer.
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This is not actually true. HardSPL also prevents the IPL/SPL areas from being accidentally overwritten. It does protect you in the event that the file you are trying to flash is not a good file.
For those wanting to upgrade only their radio I have uploaded the following RUU packages:
Radio 1.02.25.31 (Cingular)
Radio 1.02.25.19 (HTC)
Radio 1.02.25.11 (HTC)
Radio 1.01.25.16 (Cingular)
Each of the packages already contains an ROM updater which does not erase your phone, so your operating system and settings will remain intact.
Note: You need to have HardSPL before attempting to flash these!
Remember that flashing anything on your phone is always at your own risk.
I have updated my HTC Touch Pro to from Radio 1.02.25.19 to Radio 1.02.25.31 without any problems.
Update 1: Added Cingular Radio 1.01.25.16
THANK YOU now i try in my diamond
Do these radios work also on Diamond ?
They will not flash in your Diamond if your Diamond radio is security locked.
I would advise against flashing Raphael radio's in your Diamond, there is no reason to.
It could work because the chipset is the same, but why take the chance to brick your phone by flashing a radio which is not meant for it.
Do you see any improvement with .31 radio?
Tested it for about an hour or so now.
Can't say I noticed any difference, but I only tested it around the house. Reception around here is generally very bad and it seems to hold up nicely, so its definitely not worse then the previous radio.
GPRS, EDGE and HSPDA seem to work fine.
What about the Cingular one..? Anyone try this in the US to see if the 3g is now present..?
i flashed my touch pro with .31 and it went perfectly. In fact my US AT&T shows G. Not sure if that is the same as 3G but i am also at work where i have bad reception so that may play into it
as with the roms thread, the info is in the wiki pages already.
Although do keep discussion on the radio performance open
3g radio work in North America?
I bought the Diamond in the UK and haven't gotten anything but EDGE. Will any of the RADIO updates address this or is it a hardware problem ?
mallman said:
i flashed my touch pro with .31 and it went perfectly. In fact my US AT&T shows G. Not sure if that is the same as 3G but i am also at work where i have bad reception so that may play into it
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I believe it should be showing and H icon..
darkvoid said:
Tested it for about an hour or so now.
Can't say I noticed any difference, but I only tested it around the house. Reception around here is generally very bad and it seems to hold up nicely, so its definitely not worse then the previous radio.
GPRS, EDGE and HSPDA seem to work fine.
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Are you in the USA??? on ATT???
gatordent said:
Are you in the USA??? on ATT???
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That's something I would like to know as well...
gatordent said:
Are you in the USA??? on ATT???
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Nope, I'm in Europe (The Netherlands).
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I believe it should be showing and H icon..
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not in USA i dont think. my last 3g phone only showed 3g
i've tried to flash radio and it went 100% in 5 seconds. phone started but no radi was updated. any thoughts?
H is in fact in US...
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not in USA i dont think. my last 3g phone only showed 3g
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My TyTN II would show 3G most of the time in the Chicago area. It would switch to H whenever it was downloading. That's the ONLY THING I miss having now that I got the TP...Edge is too terribly slow to do anything but update the weather and my RSS feeds off hours (like at 3AM).
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Can canadians use these 3g radio updates? I have a UK phone and i'm only getting EDGE right now
So what was decided about Diamond radios? I know the discussion was started but was there a conclusion? I like the radio on my diamond much better than .19 on the Pro.
TIA
Hey mixmaven, go read the other raphael radio thread, this was answered already!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2568960&postcount=28
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2568960&postcount=35
-me
mixmaven said:
So what was decided about Diamond radios? I know the discussion was started but was there a conclusion? I like the radio on my diamond much better than .19 on the Pro.
TIA
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I've looked through countless posts and on the wiki and have yet to find the answer to this question. If it has been answered and I missed it, I'm sorry... I'll look harder next time.
I just purchased a Fuze from a good friend of mine who works in an AT&T corporate store. Since this version supports the US 850mhz 3G band, I need to know if I will loose that support or possibly brick my phone by flashing a radio from a version of the Raphael that does not support this band.
Thanks again for the help.
Zoisite said:
I've looked through countless posts and on the wiki and have yet to find the answer to this question. If it has been answered and I missed it, I'm sorry... I'll look harder next time.
I just purchased a Fuze from a good friend of mine who works in an AT&T corporate store. Since this version supports the US 850mhz 3G band, I need to know if I will loose that support or possibly brick my phone by flashing a radio from a version of the Raphael that does not support this band.
Thanks again for the help.
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Test it out and let us know. Would be good to figure it out.
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Test it out and let us know. Would be good to figure it out.
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Well I'm working all day today, but I'll be sure to do the flash tonight and post the results in the morning. Then I just need to figure out how to remap the keyboard from the Touch Pro default to the custom Fuze keyboard...
Zoisite said:
Well I'm working all day today, but I'll be sure to do the flash tonight and post the results in the morning. Then I just need to figure out how to remap the keyboard from the Touch Pro default to the custom Fuze keyboard...
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As soon as I get my Fuze I will work on that as well. Maybe take a page from TarsusBulba as he did in the Kaiser Forum to make the Tilt hardware keyboard with with HTC Roms
mods...please lock this thread. ain't no one getting no info around here until i get my fuze!!!
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mods...please lock this thread. ain't no one getting no info around here until i get my fuze!!!
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Um....aren't you a mod?
AllTheWay said:
Um....aren't you a mod?
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lol oh....aight. well.... no one still aint getting info around here!!!
Zoisite said:
Well I'm working all day today, but I'll be sure to do the flash tonight and post the results in the morning. Then I just need to figure out how to remap the keyboard from the Touch Pro default to the custom Fuze keyboard...
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http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Tweaks
Bottom of the page, its the cab to remap your Fuze.
Well, I promised to post my findings, so here it is:
My Fuze can still connect to the AT&T 3G network with no issue even after flashing the .28 radio from an international Touch Pro. Really adds to the mystery of why the Touch Pro can't do US 3G yet the Fuze can...
Zoisite said:
Well, I promised to post my findings, so here it is:
My Fuze can still connect to the AT&T 3G network with no issue even after flashing the .28 radio from an international Touch Pro. Really adds to the mystery of why the Touch Pro can't do US 3G yet the Fuze can...
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Thanks for the info.
P1Tater said:
Thanks for the info.
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so tater started doing anything to your fuze yet bro? e.g trying what the op is suggesting??
Mhm. Here is the cab for fixing the keyboard. [Link]
thesire said:
so tater started doing anything to your fuze yet bro? e.g trying what the op is suggesting??
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Not yet. I like to be security unlocked prior to any sort of flashing. It's just a preference thing after the Kaiser Radio from Hell fiasco.
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Not yet. I like to be security unlocked prior to any sort of flashing. It's just a preference thing after the Kaiser Radio from Hell fiasco.
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no doubt. That truly was a nightmare until franken came along
Reflashing from different carriers?
Verizon and sprint run CDMA and EVDO, and ATT runs GSM(edge) and UMTS, I'm not really such you can just re-flash the radios to swap networks, I maybe wrong but I would like to know also. Anybody?
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Verizon and sprint run CDMA and EVDO, and ATT runs GSM(edge) and UMTS, I'm not really such you can just re-flash the radios to swap networks, I maybe wrong but I would like to know also. Anybody?
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no no no ... you can't swap gsm radio rom to a cdma phone ... it won't work and you might end up bricking your phone.
i believe what the op is asking if he will loose us 3g ability if he flashes a european 3g radio rom that doesn't support the att 3g band. And imo i think yes you will loose 3g by doing that. If this was avoidable than everyone who bought a international rapheal could have been using it here in states with att/tmobile 3g...
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no no no ... you can't swap gsm radio rom to a cdma phone ... it won't work and you might end up bricking your phone.
i believe what the op is asking if he will loose us 3g ability if he flashes a european 3g radio rom that doesn't support the att 3g band. And imo i think yes you will loose 3g by doing that. If this was avoidable than everyone who bought a international rapheal could have been using it here in states with att/tmobile 3g...
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Yet I did not loose my 3g ability after flashing the european radio. The question now is why?
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Not yet. I like to be security unlocked prior to any sort of flashing. It's just a preference thing after the Kaiser Radio from Hell fiasco.
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Doesn't Olipro's Raphael Unlocker do just that? Are you saying that you just haven't done this yet or that this program needs to be updated for the Fuze? Also I noticed the SPL version is 1.95.0000 on my Fuze, not 1.90. Do you think it is safe to flash RaphaelHardSPL-Unsigned_1_90_3? Happy to test my new Fuze but just need a little reassurance first I'm not likely going to brick this new puppy. Thanks.
Good to see some top Kaiser guys here with the Fuze. Give me comfort in knowing we will have a strong Fuze following.
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bersca said:
Doesn't Olipro's Raphael Unlocker do just that? Are you saying that you just haven't done this yet or that this program needs to be updated for the Fuze? Also I noticed the SPL version is 1.95.0000 on my Fuze, not 1.90. Do you think it is safe to flash RaphaelHardSPL-Unsigned_1_90_3? Happy to test my new Fuze but just need a little reassurance first I'm not likely going to brick this new puppy. Thanks.
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i believe there are a few people who successfully flashedhe Fuze. I'm in the process of doing so as well, just flashed Romeos2.
now this question might come off as stupidest you'll ever hear, but please bear with me as this is the first time i'm flashing a rom. do i have to do anything about the radio after flashing the rom? (a better question is: does flashing rom get rid of the radio so that I have to get a new one?)
thanks guys for the help.
Unlocker for Verizon is out!
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=42503
AWESOME!!! So will any CDMA rom work? And what of radios? I mean how different of sprint vs verizon devices are we talking right now?
So will you port over your R4R or will it not work with the DCD base?
Hmm, I'm really wanting a touch pro now-well I already did, but...
scrosler said:
Unlocker for Verizon is out!
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=42503
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Scott...good to see you over in this forum. My Touch Pro is supposed to be in today, so i'm switching over from the "Titan" forum and trying to read up.
it seems the unlocker is getting close, but for us Alltel people, that particular unlocker as they say might not be best for Alltel yet. I'm going to read a bit more, but if you see anything soon, let me know.
I've got a buddy that has this thing, and out of the box, this thing is bad. I'm hoping to put a DCD or some ROM on it quick.
later
Jason
jshaas2 said:
Scott...good to see you over in this forum. My Touch Pro is supposed to be in today, so i'm switching over from the "Titan" forum and trying to read up.
it seems the unlocker is getting close, but for us Alltel people, that particular unlocker as they say might not be best for Alltel yet. I'm going to read a bit more, but if you see anything soon, let me know.
I've got a buddy that has this thing, and out of the box, this thing is bad. I'm hoping to put a DCD or some ROM on it quick.
later
Jason
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Don't quote me here, but I'm pretty sure Alltel's TP is the same as the sprint touch pro. You should be able to use the unlocker .37 in the link and use any Alltel touch pro rom. I don't know what's different from each carrier for settings if there's no Alltel rom, but I do know that the different VzW hardware will need more than just carrier changes.
This is awesome news!!!
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Don't quote me here, but I'm pretty sure Alltel's TP is the same as the sprint touch pro. You should be able to use the unlocker .37 in the link and use any Alltel touch pro rom. I don't know what's different from each carrier for settings if there's no Alltel rom, but I do know that the different VzW hardware will need more than just carrier changes.
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i see the .37...thanks. Now trying to read up on available ROMS that would work with Alltel. First time in the "Raphael" forum, so just trying to catch up on my reading.
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Here is link to a thread talking about different Alltel ROMS
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=48060
Hope it helps
Ok so let me begin with saying that I am done with Sprint. The 5.0 update was the last straw for me. Anyway I have two Sprint M7's that are rooted and s-off. Is there really a difference in hardware between them or can I change CIDs/MIDs perhaps flash a TMO RUU and get them to work or will I be simply bricking them and making them unsellable?
Obviously I'd like to keep them because I don't want to buy new phones right now but if I can't I can't. I was just thinking the hardware it self would be the same.
Thanks,
MG
moregadget said:
Ok so let me begin with saying that I am done with Sprint. The 5.0 update was the last straw for me. Anyway I have two Sprint M7's that are rooted and s-off. Is there really a difference in hardware between them or can I change CIDs/MIDs perhaps flash a TMO RUU and get them to work or will I be simply bricking them and making them unsellable?
Obviously I'd like to keep them because I don't want to buy new phones right now but if I can't I can't. I was just thinking the hardware it self would be the same.
Thanks,
MG
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While they are the same in many ways they are different in their radios (CDMA vs GSM) and their partition tables. The different partition tables is what will brick your phones if you try to run RUU's and firmware. About the only thing you can do is unlock the SIM and put in a T-Mobile SIM to get 3G but no 4G or LTE. You check this out here.
majmoz said:
While they are the same in many ways they are different in their radios (CDMA vs GSM) and their partition tables. The different partition tables is what will brick your phones if you try to run RUU's and firmware. About the only thing you can do is unlock the SIM and put in a T-Mobile SIM to get 3G but no 4G or LTE. You check this out here.
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Many thanks for the information. Ultimately I guess I'll just pick up a couple of used devices on swappa and move my Sprint devices the same way.
Thank you again.