Is it possible to overclock the HTC Hero's processor to past 528 mhZ? I've heard that it is slightly sluggish and i thought if it is possible, then this might solve the issue
First of all, its sluggish, when many applications an widgets run at the same time, thats ok for a MOBILE PHONE, Mobile phones do not have to be multitasking pros.
But yeah, i asked this myself too yesterday and googled about that, but found no real answer.
So, if theres a way to overclock the Magic's or Dream's CPU it should also be possible for the HERO! MY Hero in a few days in germany
the processor maxes out a 528
if u get it past that ur just damaging it...
just like overclocking a computer
the higher u go the more cooler power u need
mobile phones are not cooling geniuses lol
That doesnt exclude the possibility to overclock a mobile cpu, many people overclocked their HTC Herald CPU, like me from 198MHZ to 250MHZ, and it was perfekt.
Rotkaeqpchen said:
That doesnt exclude the possibility to overclock a mobile cpu, many people overclocked their HTC Herald CPU, like me from 198MHZ to 250MHZ, and it was perfekt.
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But if I remember correctly, just like the Dream/Magic, the Hero CPU runs the same MSM7200a proc. as the Dream/Magic which maxes out at 528Mhz. However, HTC has, for whatever the reason, underclocked them. It runs at 328Mhz max typically on the Dream (& i'm assuming this is the same on Magic).
We Dream/Magic users aren't really overclocking the CPU as much as just clocking it. I forget the exact parameter but in the beginning we just used a terminal command to set the cpu_scaling_freq (or something like that) to the max 528Mhz. Once root is gained on the Hero this should be easily accomplished there from the terminal or an app as well.
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That doesnt exclude the possibility to overclock a mobile cpu, many people overclocked their HTC Herald CPU, like me from 198MHZ to 250MHZ, and it was perfekt.
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The Herald just as my old Hermes ran OMAP processors, pretty easily tweaked.
No one has as of yet discovered a way to overclock a Qualcomm , and they have been round a good year or 2 now.
p.s.. Processors dont max out as such, they just overheat and burn!!!
Fact is, that before trying to do stuff like this you first need to gain root on the Hero.
And indeed like said before: The G1/Magic _underclock_ their CPU to save battery. Only in a few situations will it do it's job at 528mhz, otherwise it's 320-something mhz.
So when a G1/Magic user is telling they 'overclocked' their CPU, they just removed the underclock and it's running at the normal 528mhz for the MS7200.
Really _over_clocking it, by running it at like 650mhz or higher, I didn't see before.
PS: The slugginess is more a RAM and disk i/o thing than directly cpu-related.
thanks for all the info guys. so should i be worried about getting the phone, or do u think it won't be that bad?
No you shouldnt, i am waiting too for my hero to arrive. So can anyone tell, what it means to "root" android? why should i root my hero when i have it and what does it affect? thanks in advice.
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So can anyone tell, what it means to "root" android? why should i root my hero when i have it and what does it affect? thanks in advice.
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you become a superuser with more privileges and total control.
Thank you, now i understand. So how can we set the clockspeed to 528mhz permanentely?
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Thank you, now i understand. So how can we set the clockspeed to 528mhz permanentely?
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First off, we don't know if it's even needed. Maybe it's running on 528mhz already.
Second: You can't. Until the Hero is rooted nothing like this is possible, so getting 'root' access if first step in ANY kind of tweaking.
Ok, thanks. so lets wait till we hold our heroes in our hands to see at what speed it runs and hopefully be able to root the phone.
Have been using my Hero for a few days now - and don't really notice any speed issues that concern me.
Seconded.
I have a Hero and have for a couple of days on Orange, and have no qualms about the speed whatsoever.
HTC say the processor dynamically clocks up to the maximum 528MHz when needed, so unless you want to push it out of spec (if its even possible) - there's no need to set the clock. Leave it be
thats sounds reasuring, thank u for letting me know
to be honest i just bought mine yesterday
and its not terribly slow
ive read bout it and be careful we are talking bout reviewers and most review websites dont know a lot bout half of what the say
slow no
unresponsive no
a bit laggy yes
this phone is brilliant
and is quite speedy considering how much things you got on desktop
for anyone worried about the slow speed of the Hero, the firmware update fixes this. its soooooooooo much faster.
Bump, what spped is hero running on? I have mcr 3.1 installed and since we have root now............
AFAIK, the Hero runs at 528MHz when in use, but underclocks to ~300 when not in use (ie. screen off etc.) Really, in MCR3.1, you shouldn't be needing to overclock- it really flies. If not, did you do a wipe before install?
If not, I strongly recommend you do (back up data first!), as it made mine a lot faster and was worth the hassle!
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While messing around over at PPCGeeks, I found an app created by a guy called KidGixxer called HTC Performance. It allows you to overclock a Vogue up to 624Mhz with a CPUScaler that will speed up or decrease your CPU speed from 300Mhz to 624Mhz as needed.
I can personally vouge for this app because I am using it on my new Touch and I am only overclocking to 520Mhz. It is what I would like to call STUPID FAST. I know that the Titan is somewhat lacking in the RAM department so I thought I would drop by and announce my discovery for someone here to try AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Here is the link: HTC Performance
doesnt do much for me.
same here it worked great on my 6700 but does not seem to do anything on my 6800.
you do understand the cpu of the titan/kaiser is very different from everything else. No existing cpu scaler app is gonna work. It has to interface directly with the dual core cpu in our devices (1 core running linux for the phone rom, 1 core running wince for wm6).
this has been discussed over and over. the 6800 has a qualcom processor and there is nothing right now that can overclock our phones. do no try anything including xcpuscaler b/c it will just lock up your phone. second that program had questionable results on the 6700, no change in benchmarks and most was probably just placebo effects.
It does not cause any lockups on the XV6800. I have had it in several ROMs. I noticed no benefits from the program but nothing harmfull either.
it will not do anything beneficial. it basically wont do anything on a qualcom processor. there are people out there trying to make a program to work with it, but nothing yet
It works mentally............
friguy33 said:
it will not do anything beneficial. it basically wont do anything on a qualcom processor. there are people out there trying to make a program to work with it, but nothing yet
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I understand that. I was just refuting your comment about bad things happening.
What is it? Purpose? How do you do it? How does it optimize my phone?
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Google is your friend. Search CPU OVERCLOCKING.
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It's something cool, you could use SetCPU or Overclock Widget, and it's like adding rocket-fuel to a campfire.
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Google is your friend. Search CPU OVERCLOCKING.
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the time it took you to be a smart ass you could have just said what it did.
i did a search for it and yet it wasnt informative enough. hence why i came here and asked.
Google want enough? Wow! Over clocking increases the clock speed of your cpu making it calculate faster.
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the time it took you to be a smart ass you could have just said what it did.
i did a search for it and yet it wasn't informative enough. hence why i came here and asked.
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Alright, then I'm sorry Google couldn't answer your question. (Which is odd, since overclocking is kinda popular.)
Anyways, Overclocking means to "Make the CPU go faster than it was designed for". Some devices "like the hero" can jump from 518mhz to a stable 691mhz by overclocking, this increases the speed of the CPU so that programs and the OS can work faster.
But overclocking is about finding the highest speed, while having the stability to use it. Since it's no use to overclock, if it makes your phone unusable to use. (Force closes, phone freezing etc.)
Overclocking CAN harm your device, if you take a too high value. But if you stay inside a stable zone, there shouldn't be any harm to your device.
You can experience that the phone is getting a bit hot, or that the battery is emptied faster than normal.
Since the CPU drains so much power, there are settings that allow to set a different clock (how fast the device should go in mhz) when the phone is at sleep. So that it can run at a much lower frequency, when you don't use it.
ROM developers normally post ( 691/197 ) or something at their thread, the first number is the CPU speed when it's on and you're using it. And the other is when the phone is at sleep.
If there's anything other you want the answer to, ask it here.
But, please use Gooogle search Before posting anything.
Overclocking increases the clock speeds of a CPU. And as a result means it can do *things* faster.
Overclocking on a desktop PC tends to increase the voltages to overclock the device over this isn't really an option on a phone as it has limited battery life. So overclocking on a phone is normally done by software changes. When CPU makers make a CPU they can not be 100% accurate on the performance of that chip - in fact its very much the opposite, so after each chip is made it is tested and then given a clock speed and locked to that, overclocking breaks that and allows you to manually increase the clock, however overclocking capabilities will be different on every device.
If you take an example of an Intel Chip, a 2.66GHz Core-2-Duo, this is exactly the same chip as the 3.06GHz however when tested it wouldn't run as fast so Intel sell it at a stable clock speed.
Overclocking the hero shouldn't really have any implications for the device, however overclocks can reduce the life-time of a CPU (and any other hardware you might overclock). You shouldn't notice much extra heat from the device as the voltages being used are not changing.
Hope that cleared some of it up for you.
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the time it took you to be a smart ass you could have just said what it did.
i did a search for it and yet it wasnt informative enough. hence why i came here and asked.
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Did you forget to press the search button?
Some of the top results from google:
Wikipedia
What is Overclocking?
What is overclocking?
What is overclocking?
Overclocking Guide
Really was that so hard?
Hi everyone,
I recently stumbled upon Hakeem's thread, which details the necessary configurations to extend the battery life of the HD2 running Android. One of the key configurations is to use SetCPU to underclock the device from 1GHz to around 600MHz.
I really want to try it out, but my bf told me it might be risky. He said that since the CPU is now running at a lower clockspeed, it might lead to HD2 overheating if I were to run multiple applications (compared to the default, 1 GHz config). I'm no techie, so I really don't know if what he's saying is true.
Are there any risks associated with underclocking the HD2 using SetCPU? Thanks a bunch!
Sarah
rikou_demon said:
Hi everyone,
I recently stumbled upon Hakeem's thread, which details the necessary configurations to extend the battery life of the HD2 running Android. One of the key configurations is to use SetCPU to underclock the device from 1GHz to around 600MHz.
I really want to try it out, but my bf told me it might be risky. He said that since the CPU is now running at a lower clockspeed, it might lead to HD2 overheating if I were to run multiple applications (compared to the default, 1 GHz config). I'm no techie, so I really don't know if what he's saying is true.
Are there any risks associated with underclocking the HD2 using SetCPU? Thanks a bunch!
Sarah
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I have used SETCPU on my device for 1 whole month, there is nothing bad happens and it is safe.
In addition, you can install this app "current widget" or put a SETCPU on your homescreen to track your device temperature. This is the safest way.
Cheers,hope this help...
As opposed to overclocking, underclocking shouldn't pose any risks. You are basicly running your CPU at a lower frequency than designed, so your device will be cooler to start with. Even when maxing your CPU load, by running a lot of apps, your CPU is operating under its designed capacity. It will therefore never get hotter than a stock HD2 running full load at 1Ghz.
Furthermore there are built in safeguards to prevent catastrophic overheating. So basicly its safe and you should have no issues. Except, maybe, insufficient CPU capacity when running a lot or a heavy app.
Hope this helps!
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christarius said:
Except, maybe, insufficient CPU capacity when running a lot or a heavy app.
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I wonder if this is what my bf was talking about.
But anyways, I'll go ahead and give it a try. Thanks you guys!
Sarah
rikou_demon said:
I really want to try it out, but my bf told me it might be risky. He said that since the CPU is now running at a lower clockspeed, it might lead to HD2 overheating if I were to run multiple applications (compared to the default, 1 GHz config). I'm no techie, so I really don't know if what he's saying is true
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He's an idiot. If you make it faster, its generating more heat, if you pump up the voltage it makes more heat. There is no possible way for lowering it to cause it to run hotter.
If you are that concerned, create a profile in set CPUto lower CPU and use conservative when temp reaches a certain point.
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FROM WHAT I READ that if you underclock to the wrong level you can damage things that needs a desired amout of cpu ...if not it can stop working i wll find my source and post it later
weird thread. lol you cant damage your hd2 cpu by underclocking or undervolting
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weird thread. lol you cant damage your hd2 cpu by underclocking or undervolting
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Agreed, just turn it back up before playing memory intensive games & apps.
You're all wrong and I dont mind saying wrong section! stick to the topic of "Development"!
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My HD2 is locked to 245mhz - 400mhz when on a black screen (so locked.) When in use it fluctuates between 245 - 998mhz depending on usage.
had it this way for months. No ill affects and makes the battery last that little bit longer.
I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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This is agreed up to a point. Sooner or later they will be creating apps and OS' that will truly utilize the full dual cores potential within the phone. I personally believe that up until that point the OP is 100% right on. But once this does happen, these apps will become more and more processor heavy. And once that happens, I believe we'll be back in the same boat as before and 1.2 vs. 1.7 will actually make a bit of a difference to the typical end user (and not just by benchmark enthusiasts).
The only reason I believe this to be true is look at how PCs and laptops evolved. We got dual core processors and apps weren't quite using the full potential, then as time went on and programmers started utilizing the full processing capabilities of dual/quad cores (& as these processors became more and more common) the differences began to matter again. That's just my 2 cents & I could be completely wrong, but just wanted to share my thoughts. Good topic though
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I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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lol i did this once gotta love having multiple tabs and think you clicked on the right one ya? least thats what happend to me when i did it
I agree with you. Even in the games i play there is almost no difference, except that the battery gets drained faster because of the higher voltage.
P.s. wrong section, rable, rable, rable
I kinda agree with you in the matter of it not making a HUGE difference. But when I'm overclocked to 1.7, I do notice that it seems to scroll smoother. But that's the only difference I can see.
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I'm comin from a heroc running 768 so 1.2g MORE than enough for me. Besides any faster an yer batterys gonna last w couple hours.
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Hi Mitch! You're right, no real need for OC.
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motoelliot said:
I'm comin from a heroc running 768 so 1.2g MORE than enough for me. Besides any faster an yer batterys gonna last w couple hours.
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This would be my philosophy. A 1.2 GHz Dual Core is absolutely insane compared to what us Hero users used to have to deal with. My phone couldn't even handle 768, it was stable at 691.
LiquidSolstice said:
This would be my philosophy. A 1.2 GHz Dual Core is absolutely insane compared to what us Hero users used to have to deal with. My phone couldn't even handle 768, it was stable at 691.
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Yeah... My poor heros still mad at me.
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I have my 3D oc'ed to 1.5 and ever so slightly undervolt to 1175000 (too many zeroes?)
Totally stable for me. Battery doesn't seem effected much.
Of course I haven't done heavy gaming yet. So. I dunno. I'm still in the honeymoon phase of just being Able to overclock, ya know. Lol.
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felacio said:
I have my 3D oc'ed to 1.5 and ever so slightly undervolt to 1175000 (too many zeroes?)
Totally stable for me. Battery doesn't seem effected much.
Of course I haven't done heavy gaming yet. So. I dunno. I'm still in the honeymoon phase of just being Able to overclock, ya know. Lol.
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I dont know what the stock voltage is, but wouldnt this essentially balance out the extra battery draw from running a slightly higher clock?
Faster, Stronger .. make it so.
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I've overclocked mine a few days, now I'm at stock 1.2 almost no difference. Running the script for overclock is nice though because it allows the use of apps like setcpu. That way profiles can be set for temperature and battery charge level.
As for overclocking because its awesome fast... No need, sweet the way it is.
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I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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I agree. It doesn't feel much if any faster and is probably needlessly using excess battey.
On the otherhand, I find there to be a pretty big difference between driving 120, 150, or even 170 mph.
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I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
Thoughts?
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I overclock because it makes my friends with lame iPhones jealous.
bavman said:
I agree with you. Even in the games i play there is almost no difference, except that the battery gets drained faster because of the higher voltage.
P.s. wrong section, rable, rable, rable
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You goto KU?
Nice internet speeds, dorm/campus internet sucked when I was there
Once there's permanent root and htc releases the kernel source, will our phones be able to be over clocked higher then 1.7?
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I overclock because it makes my friends with lame iPhones jealous.
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hey all, long time reader, first time poster. i have some questions in regards to overclocking your phone. whats the point? Im not trying to find the forum trolls, nor am I knocking the practice, im genuinely curious about the end result.
im a hardcore PC junkie, so im very familiar with the process, hell my desktop is currently overclocked by a 1ghz (AMD 965 BE @ 4.2ghz).
i have the HTC Evo 3d, best phone ive ever owned, and at first the idea of overclocking it was very interesting, but as i thought about it, the more it didnt make any sence. the phone already get warm when you start pushing it, especially when gaming, i can only imagine how hot it must get when you start upping the voltage to squeeze a extra couple hundred mhz out of it. also how much of a performance increase would you notice? the phone already, runs like butter in my opinion, i cant imagine a extra 100-200mhz would be noticable at all. it just seems like alot of work and risk for a almost a not noticable end result.
if im incorrect in any of my assumption, please correct me, lol even just saying that ive overclocked myr phone is awesome, im just looking for some valid reasons in favor of OCing
no one? lol i guess its not as widely done as i thought it was lol
I don't ever OC my phones for the simple reason that they are battery powered. But I understand why most people do it. Usually it is a good thing to have all the tools at your disposal for whenever you might need it. Most kernels that support OC are usually driven by apps such as SetCPU, which have options to have the CPU constantly OC'd or on-demand basis. If the user was to run a high demand app such as the video camera with a 1080p res, there be more processing power available for the app to accomplish whatever it needs in a less intensive manner.
that makes sense i suppose. having a quick launch app that allow on demand overclocking would be pretty cool. ill have to look into this a little bit further.. thx
The reason is simple - my phone is too slow.
I am using HTC Hero which is 2+ years old. The speed is so slow (528MHz), the machine lags even running the Dolphin browser. I recently root it and install a custom rom, overclock it to 6xx MHz. I feel my Hero has revived and I think it still can be used for a couple of months more.