Hi guys!For the last few days(that I have my Hero rooted that is) I'm using VillainRom 10 as my everyday ROM and have tried some others.Anyway,that's not the point!
Being one of the lucky ones whose Hero can happily overclock to 768 I came to use RaduG's extremekernel and ben39's no-bfs no-whining kernel.With the second,while configuring OverclockWidget I saw that it gives a 848MHz option with auto-detect frequencies.Is it possible?I'm not asking about stable daily use,but even for some minutes for benchmarking?Has anyone achieved it?Without making their phone catch on fire that is!
And secondly,why are we all using linux 2.6.29(for total newbies I mean the kernel) while there is 2.6.32-33-34?Can't a newer kernel be compiled for use with the Hero?Newer kernels would provide native ext4 support and would probably prove to be better overall.
Oh,forgot one more!I am currently running on minimum 176MHz-maximum 749MHz(after I got a couple reboots with 768 I abandoned 19MHz for stability) with screen on and minimum 123MHz-maximum 384MHz with screen off.Should I give it a higher minimum frequency?Sometimes it lags when waking up,the screen turns on but shows nothing but black and turns off again or it turns on and everything is distorted,colors are completely distorted,background is upside down and some other unnormal things,but everything is alright when turning the screen off and back on again.Does it have to do anything with the frequencies I am using?I am running on VillainRom 10.3.
Now I have set the minimums to 160 and 190 MHz to see what happens!
Thanks in advance!
About the high MHz... I have done it with over 800 but don't max it out at 848 or your phone will freeze but anything below works And that screen **** I've also had and it has something to do with the high MHz (don't know why) but it helped me to set the MHz lower when the phone sleeps in SetCPU And at last about the kernel... It runs on the old one on Android 2.1 but in 2.2 it will be upgraded to ....33 or ....32 don't remember which...
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Thanks for your reply C0mpu13rFr34k!
I know Eclair is running on the old kernel.I just would like to know if it is possible to compile a newer kernel for it.
As for the frequencies...Are my settings alright?Some too high or too low?The way I see it there is a big gap between maximum and minimum frequencies when screen on which results on the CPU working at low frequencies most of the time,thus sacrificing performance.But it helps with battery life and presumably this and the screen-off underclocking reduce the overall damage caused to the CPU by the overclocking,which is said to reduce the CPU's total lifetime by 50% or more,depending on how much you overclock it.Working at 749 I sometimes get a nice 43 degrees Celsius while charging,but that's only when charging.Average temperatures are 30 for standby and 37 with screen on(average,can be lower or higher).
And one more question.At 800+ how hot does it get?Will it be stable for some minutes to do some basic benchmarking or nah..?
Thanks!
tolis626 said:
Thanks for your reply C0mpu13rFr34k!
I know Eclair is running on the old kernel.I just would like to know if it is possible to compile a newer kernel for it.
As for the frequencies...Are my settings alright?Some too high or too low?The way I see it there is a big gap between maximum and minimum frequencies when screen on which results on the CPU working at low frequencies most of the time,thus sacrificing performance.But it helps with battery life and presumably this and the screen-off underclocking reduce the overall damage caused to the CPU by the overclocking,which is said to reduce the CPU's total lifetime by 50% or more,depending on how much you overclock it.Working at 749 I sometimes get a nice 43 degrees Celsius while charging,but that's only when charging.Average temperatures are 30 for standby and 37 with screen on(average,can be lower or higher).
And one more question.At 800+ how hot does it get?Will it be stable for some minutes to do some basic benchmarking or nah..?
Thanks!
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If your phone is stable your settings are just fine even though your phone might have problems waking up if the low freq is under 246MHz (something like that) Also if you want better performance you might want to test some other freqs and then benchmark... Sometimes it makes a BIG difference if your phone is running at 691MHz or 710MHz For me my phone works like **** if it runs at 749MHz but it works like a dream at 729MHz (I think the difference was 0.5-0.8MFLOPS) Im also pretty sure your temp is fine (OC shouldn't make your phone that much hotter since the voltages in all ROMs are adjustet). If you should compile a newer kernel you would first of all need a .32 (.33?) from HTC because of hardware capabilities and im sure there's is A LOT more things devs need to compile such a kernel but i don't know to much about kernels I don't really know that much about 800+ because I only did it once and benchmarked it (MFLOPS was **** and i couldn't get them high at all) actually it slowed down my phone but you should test it. Maybe your very lucky and your phone can take it
Well,I have set it to 653min-749max with screen on and 160min-352max with screen off.Testing only!But it runs like a dream if we don't take into account a small lagging when I turn the screen on and it has to change frequencies!But it's great so far.Will see how battery life goes!By the way,tried 800,806 and 848MHz,but none worked.It didn't crash or something,it just wouldn't change to it and stayed at lower frequencies(low as 246).
Thanks for your time anyway!
And a small question...How bad does overclocking affect the CPU's life?I asked around and was told that the maximum overclock for desktop PCs is 20-25%,depending on the CPU,while needing special cooling systems,and that it can reduce the CPU's life up to 50%.Given that we overclock over 40%,how bad do we damage our CPUs?
tolis626 said:
Well,I have set it to 653min-749max with screen on and 160min-352max with screen off.Testing only!But it runs like a dream if we don't take into account a small lagging when I turn the screen on and it has to change frequencies!But it's great so far.Will see how battery life goes!By the way,tried 800,806 and 848MHz,but none worked.It didn't crash or something,it just wouldn't change to it and stayed at lower frequencies(low as 246).
Thanks for your time anyway!
And a small question...How bad does overclocking affect the CPU's life?I asked around and was told that the maximum overclock for desktop PCs is 20-25%,depending on the CPU,while needing special cooling systems,and that it can reduce the CPU's life up to 50%.Given that we overclock over 40%,how bad do we damage our CPUs?
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I haven't heard to much about that actually but from what I've heard it shouldn't damage the CPU at all because of the voltage adjustments but i find that very hard to believe... Talking from personal experience my phone runs as smooth now as it did when i bought it so my CPU has probably taken minamal- or no damage at all and I got it when it had just come out here in Denmark (Europe) which is about 8+ months i think? So I wouldn't care to much about the lifetime since It's probably like 1-2 years and by that time I don't think people are using the Hero anymore Keep up the good work with optimizing and your welcome
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I suppose that this is a well known fact, but anyway: the StrTrk can be overclocked just like the HTC Wizard (with omapclock).
I'm running mine now at stable 240MHz (instead of 180).
Makes quite a difference.
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It will revert back to 180Mhz after you close the phone after a few minutes.
Has anyone figured out how to make the changes stick
is overclocking too risky for a smartphone? does cpu burn or just freeze when overclocked to its limit?
I'm using 252mhz when playing 3D games (no java, they are working nice at 180 mhz anyway) then down to 180mhz.
thx
Im using my startrek with WM6.1 Pro with the battery status plugin now Homescreen ++. I have it underclocking to 143mhz 180mhz is nominal 260 is my high setpoint and 273 is my temporary boost. Its dynamic based on cpu load. Works like a champ get about 3 days charge with my extended battery. Dont know about stock battery time. Besides the phone getting a little warm its fine to overclock. Just make sure its stable at whatever speed you set it at. It will lock up immediately if its not stable 240-252 is safe and stable for most on this phone for continuous use. When underclocking you may notice scale lines appearing on the screen like it has a reduced refresh rate.
My3125 also can keep @252mhz...
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Hello..anyone can teach me how to overclock xperia x10
Bootloader is not unlocked. It's impossible at the moment.
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Hello..anyone can teach me how to overclock xperia x10
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First, you crack the bootloader.
When you've done that, I'm guessing you allready figured out how to OC the CPU
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Hello..anyone can teach me how to overclock xperia x10
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For now just use the overclock widget. set top two settings as high as you want up to 998 click on off screen frequency. set between 246 and next number you choose. set at boot save. define settings at what mhz you like and experiment. do not run on screen and off screen freq at max. i have had my battery sweating and even plugged in all day and not gained a single % of charge. until boot loader is cracked.... this is all you can do.
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Although it's impossible today because of bootloader, note it's always dangerous and not great to overclock embedded cpus.
You can't overclock a lot, as you have a battery (X10 works about 5-10 hours with full speed - 998MHz), and the CPU only has passive elements to cool. Overclock can damage your CPU and your motherboard, stress all elements and low your battery life (battery charge and cycle of charge). (Even there's a self shutdown when too hot)
You can get an idea of overclock on Nexus forum, as we have the same CPU (Snapdragon 8250) - I saw overclock up to 1300 MHz, but it's really not looking safe to me
Thanx everyone..
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Although it's impossible today because of bootloader, note it's always dangerous and not great to overclock embedded cpus.
You can't overclock a lot, as you have a battery (X10 works about 5-10 hours with full speed - 998MHz), and the CPU only has passive elements to cool. Overclock can damage your CPU and your motherboard, stress all elements and low your battery life (battery charge and cycle of charge). (Even there's a self shutdown when too hot)
You can get an idea of overclock on Nexus forum, as we have the same CPU (Snapdragon 8250) - I saw overclock up to 1300 MHz, but it's really not looking safe to me
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Depends also on the voltage (as long as your voltage isn't increasing as you overclock, it isn't really that harmful as long as you watch the heat), and what you have your underclock speed set to with screen off (as this can in some sense reverse some of the possible "damage")...
I had my htc hero overclocked to 710 with the screen on, and underclocked 176 with the screen off and it ran a lot better.
I digress, I see no purpose in doing so when you already have a 1ghz processor that is super fast. I only really see a point in overclocking if the possible benefit is greater than the possible harm, and in this circumstance, I really don't think you would see that much benefit.
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Depends also on the voltage (as long as your voltage isn't increasing as you overclock, it isn't really that harmful as long as you watch the heat), and what you have your underclock speed set to with screen off (as this can in some sense reverse some of the possible "damage")...
I had my htc hero overclocked to 710 with the screen on, and underclocked 176 with the screen off and it ran a lot better.
I digress, I see no purpose in doing so when you already have a 1ghz processor that is super fast. I only really see a point in overclocking if the possible benefit is greater than the possible harm, and in this circumstance, I really don't think you would see that much benefit.
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I have seen considearable difference when maxed out. however the dangers are high of overheat. ive done it once and onetime only. kept on and off screen at 998 and hat it plugged in all day with out a single gain of battery. it was like on life support and was hot enough the phone was sweating even when sitting next to a fan blowing on it constantly.:-( since then i have made adjustments to run between 700 and 998mhz on screen and min 246 and 400mhz when screen off.
if looking for better performance without the overclock and good drain of battery, download and install sysctl from market and follow settings below.
min free kb: 900000
dirty ratio:500000
dirty background:200000
vfs cache pressure:10
Oom allocating: checked
On SetCPU there is Set on boot- to be checked or not?
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it should be checked
OC can damage yo device. Id say its better to hv a lil slower device than a dead device
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OC can damage yo device. Id say its better to hv a lil slower device than a dead device
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Not in all instances. Depends on the quality of the chip. Lot of chips are capable of handling higher speeds and temps but are set lower quality assurance.
For instance, I've got a NookColor that has base CPU set at 800MHz and is now overclockable to 1.2GHz
We'll have to do stress tests on some to see what they're capable of.
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Not in all instances. Depends on the quality of the chip. Lot of chips are capable of handling higher speeds and temps but are set lower quality assurance.
For instance, I've got a NookColor that has base CPU set at 800MHz and is now overclockable to 1.2GHz
We'll have to do stress tests on some to see what they're capable of.
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Agreed.
My Motorola Defy has a Omap3630 that comes at 800MHz,stock but can be easily overclocked to 1.3GHz without a sweat.
Just depends on the chip's capacity of "Stress".
Respect
I use SetCPU to help battery life but someone told me it's not needed on the SGS2 as it already scales CPU for demand. True?
leedavis said:
I use SetCPU to help battery life but someone told me it's not needed on the SGS2 as it already scales CPU for demand. True?
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Interesting point you raise actually.
I've just installed Setcpu and used the on demand governor. I left the values as default (200mhz for minimum and 1.2 ghz for maximum) - with no overclock.
I've immediately noticed swiping through the screens is a bit smoother and the biggest improvement is the gallery. All my photos appear much smoother. Before the gallery app was a bit lagy.
I haven't set any profiles yet such as screen off.
Every Android phone I've owned scaled the cpu, I think they all do. I've found that with setCPU my battery gets drained much faster en no real benefit in smoothness.
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Every Android phone I've owned scaled the cpu, I think they all do. I've found that with setCPU my battery gets drained much faster en no real benefit in smoothness.
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Have you tried this yet though on the Galaxy S2?
There is definitely less lag than before - as stated, specifically in the gallery app. Just generally swiping feels more responsive as well. Battery is still pretty awesome, especially when using Lightening Rom 1.1 and the Android battery calibration app.
Hmm. I'll try SetCPU on the SGS2 and post back the findings (Performance+Battery).
I don't know how can it get any more smoother, I mean its already SO smooth!
there are many points to use setcpu on gs2:
-for some reason I dunno, gs2 can't manage it's 1.2ghz without gettin too warm. downclock and get rid of the burn effect.
-gs2 sports a good management of gpu (it does most of the work and setcpu doesnt down\overclock that). downclockin doesnt affect UI or video o browsing experience at all. can even downclock at 500 max speed without any sides.
-the only side u ll see it's benchmark (quadrant downgrading to 2000) but I hope u won't pay attention to such an unseful thing. benchmark doenst mean nothing, daily usage it's the only point to look at.
my settings: conservative, 200min 800max.
battery draining doesnt belong to setcpu this time, look to other settings.
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there are many points to use setcpu on gs2:
-for some reason I dunno, gs2 can't manage it's 1.2ghz without gettin too warm. downclock and get rid of the burn effect.
-gs2 sports a good management of gpu (it does most of the work and setcpu doesnt down\overclock that). downclockin doesnt affect UI or video o browsing experience at all. can even downclock at 500 max speed without any sides.
-the only side u ll see it's benchmark (quadrant downgrading to 2000) but I hope u won't pay attention to such an unseful thing. benchmark doenst mean nothing, daily usage it's the only point to look at.
my settings: conservative, 200min 800max.
battery draining doesnt belong to setcpu this time, look to other settings.
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IT IS TRUE. I agree with every single line you wrote, it is just my expericence.
I have too setcpu conservative and undercloked 800 Mhz.
There no slow down or lag at all... But I am wondering if it gives a real boost to battery life. I am not sure of this.
I'll keep you guys posted... But I think that an undevolted Kernel it is really a need as for the solution of the damn dual core ginger bug that is sucking 20% of my battery every day
Well,from my experience with my Desire and Desire HD(won't even bother with the Hero,I had no real knowledge then),governors can make a huge difference.I for one like smartass or interactive governors(mostly the same).I wouldn't suggest conservative,interactive does the job much better.Tasks get done in less time and the CPU throttles down more quickly.Other than that,you can underclock or overclock all you like,it never made any big difference in battery life for me(Unless Sammy's CPUs are different in that aspect-Snapdragons are really "overclock-friendly").That's personal preference after all!
Anyway,the best solution IMO would be a vdd_levels interface.For those who don't know what it is,it is a mod made by -snq(Meet him at the Desire forums-That guy's a true LEGEND!He can patch/modify anything!),which practically allows you to change the voltage levels of the CPU on the fly rather than having to stick with the values hardcoded into the kernel.Using this and a simple script in GScript to change values that won't survive reboot or in init.d to be applied on boot,you can find the optimal voltages for your CPU(Don't forget,every CPU is unique and different),thus reducing heat and maximizing battery life.
If a dev brings that to the SGS2 it will be a big step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned.
I use SetCPU without issue, but only to run profiles (i limit the device to 500mhz when the screen is off). The rest of the time it scales itself up to 1.4GHz without fuss and using stock voltage. Battery life is fine, best ive had for an android device.
Wow, I've taken SetCPU off but left JuiceDefender on and my battery life is fantastic. At 70% after slightly heavier than normal use (used for listening to music for a couple of hours this morning) and been off charge for 8.5 hours.
SetCPU seems counterproductive on SGS2
leedavis said:
I use SetCPU to help battery life but someone told me it's not needed on the SGS2 as it already scales CPU for demand. True?
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I did set ondemand which is a little more reactive and slightly smoother.
Though System Tuner is less cpu-consuming and much more useful on the SGS2. No need for all those complicated settings from setCPU. Only changing governor and changing frequencies on standby are useful.
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Wow, I've taken SetCPU off but left JuiceDefender on and my battery life is fantastic. At 70% after slightly heavier than normal use (used for listening to music for a couple of hours this morning) and been off charge for 8.5 hours.
SetCPU seems counterproductive on SGS2
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Juice Defender uses as much battery as it saves this is fact, i have SepCPU set to 200 Min - 800 Max - On demand and have Juice Defender Ultimate and i thought it was great but it was recommended to me that i could save more battery by not using this, initially i was skeptical but tried it and i was astonished at the results, my battery life improved by 9 hours (i carried out a test with JD and without)
Anyone who says SetCPU uses up loads of battery is talking nonsense,it actually saves battery if configured correctly.
I am using Check Rom with set CPU I have it 1.2ghz max and 200. Using conservative governer. I been off charge for 15hrs, however I am using light usage I am on 72% screen on has been 5h 25m at time of writing. Not yet calibrated the battery.
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Juice Defender uses as much battery as it saves this is fact, i have SepCPU set to 200 Min - 800 Max - On demand and have Juice Defender Ultimate and i thought it was great but it was recommended to me that i could save more battery by not using this, initially i was skeptical but tried it and i was astonished at the results, my battery life improved by 9 hours (i carried out a test with JD and without)
Anyone who says SetCPU uses up loads of battery is talking nonsense,it actually saves battery if configured correctly.
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What are the settings are you using for the setcpu program in your S2?? Did you remove the Juice defender application?
Hey, back again on a question about overclock an HTC Thunderbolt rooted with CM7 and Tiamat kernel. Anyways, I can overclock it to 1.9ghz pretty stable and suprisingly good battery life ( believe it or not ), get's kind of hot when charging though about 107 farenheit and 99 on daily use w/o it being plugged in. I was trying to get it to reach 2.0ghz, I know some of you will say its not that big of a jump from 1.9 to 2.0 but that's not the point, I am using SetCPU and Incredicontrol, and I just can't seem to keep it stable because I set it 2.0ghz and put the SVS volt in Incredicontrol to the high which is 1550 If I remember correctly, It's pretty stable but as soon as I press the lock button it freezes up and I have to take battery in/out. Any suggestions ? Thanks.
I'm not the most brilliant when it comes to overclocking (Having similar problems), but you have to keep in mind that 2GHz is double your stock clock speed, so yes, that is a big push. My recommendation is to find a low-voltage kernel that has Smartass V2 and try again.
Hmm wel l i do have smartass v2 but using smartass v1 with 1.9ghz overclocked no problems yet maybe il just stay at 1.9 but then again ill keep trying 2ghz until i get bored lol
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Hmm wel l i do have smartass v2 but using smartass v1 with 1.9ghz overclocked no problems yet maybe il just stay at 1.9 but then again ill keep trying 2ghz until i get bored lol
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...or cook your device. At the voltages you describe, I can all but promise you that you're slowly killing guy your phone. You're talking about a 5% gain in clock for a performance gain of less than 2%. Your phone probably isn't stable at all at 2ghz. Smartass ramps up to policy max at screen on, unless you change it, and it probably locks before the display even comes on. If you like your phone, stop. The return you get probably won't even do 1.9ghz, so count yourself lucky at that. Mine won't run that fast.
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...or cook your device. At the voltages you describe, I can all but promise you that you're slowly killing guy your phone. You're talking about a 5% gain in clock for a performance gain of less than 2%. Your phone probably isn't stable at all at 2ghz. Smartass ramps up to policy max at screen on, unless you change it, and it probably locks before the display even comes on. If you like your phone, stop. The return you get probably won't even do 1.9ghz, so count yourself lucky at that. Mine won't run that fast.
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What is a safe voltage for 1.9ghz? I think right now it's at 1300-1450 I forgot, SVS(I don't know what the SVS is, just says on top of Incredicontrol). It's very stable and the phone doesn't even run hot, no random reboots or anything like that, but since you said the voltage thing I am worry now, can you explain some more? With my overclock right now which is as I said 1.9ghz, Am I still killing my phone? My battery life is pretty good except when watching videos, goes down very fast but other than that it's good. Btw what are good temps for my phone?
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What is a safe voltage for 1.9ghz? I think right now it's at 1300-1450 I forgot, SVS(I don't know what the SVS is, just says on top of Incredicontrol). It's very stable and the phone doesn't even run hot, no random reboots or anything like that, but since you said the voltage thing I am worry now, can you explain some more? With my overclock right now which is as I said 1.9ghz, Am I still killing my phone? My battery life is pretty good except when watching videos, goes down very fast but other than that it's good. Btw what are good temps for my phone?
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That kind of voltage tends to stress the silicone. If 1450 is your top limit, that's not too bad, but I probably wouldn't venture past that. Your governor is keeping it from running at that speed most of the time. Most of the heat you feel the phone give off is the battery. You really don't feel much of the heat from the CPU. Too much voltage is going to cook your CPU well before it begins to show temperatures on the battery sensor. As far as temps go, pretty much anything under 135F is ok. The battery will be the first thing to fail as temperatures rise. The SoC can tolerate much more. SVS just stands for Static Voltage Scaling, as opposed to HAVS, Hybrid Adaptive Voltage Scaling, which I don't think any Tbolt kernels support.
I don't get the purpose of that level of overclocking. My phone is snappy smooth and basically SAFE at 1.15 or 1.2
My name is Revos I'm a recovering flashaholic running Liquid Gingerbread 3.0
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I don't get the purpose of that level of overclocking. My phone is snappy smooth and basically SAFE at 1.15 or 1.2
My name is Revos I'm a recovering flashaholic running Liquid Gingerbread 3.0
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The core is designed to run at 1.5ghz (though the caches and memory arent fabbed to, really) so running at 1.5 or 1.6 isn't a big deal. More than that and you're really challenging it.
Has it ever been heard of that someone killed their gs2 from using 1600mhz in daily use?
My gs2 likes to have 1475 as a minimum voltage for 1600.
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Ever rev an engine into the red? Did the engine blow up on the spot? unlikely. However if you constantly KEEP the engine in the red it will eventually break down.
Same thing for OC phones. The processor in the SGS was designed for somewhere around the 1ghz mark. Pushing it 110% likely wont kill it, they build allowances and tolerances into these things to help them last longer. Push that processor to 150% and you are risking serious damage.
Monitor the heat, if you notice its getting HOT then you should really pull the battery and let it sit for a while. Nobody here can say its safe to OC your phone like that, its a calculated risk you obviously didnt spend a lot of thought into.
TLDR: Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Actually its my thought the reason I haven't been using it on 1.6 yet, and why I'm asking. Iv been ocing my pcs since the late 90s
Now the reason I'm asking here is because the cortex a9 was designed for up to 2gHz operation, but this phones design may or may not provide adequate cooling, that's why I'm asking if other people have any negative experiences with this.
Were not actually over reving the chip its more of a environment issue with cooling/ventilation.
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Actually its my thought the reason I haven't been using it on 1.6 yet, and why I'm asking. Iv been ocing my pcs since the late 90s
Now the reason I'm asking here is because the cortex a9 was designed for up to 2gHz operation, but this phones design may or may not provide adequate cooling, that's why I'm asking if other people have any negative experiences with this.
Were not actually over reving the chip its more of a environment issue with cooling/ventilation.
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You do have to have in mind that PCs are much safer to OC, so we shouldn't really compare brtween them.
Regarding the Phone OC, I haven't OC'd mine and probably never will because I have all the horsepower I need, but I think the "safest" OC is between 1.3 and 1.4GHz, since that's a range that all CPUs are designed to overtake (max 200MHz range ).
mine's been oc'ed, uv'ed pretty much within the week I bought the phone in june.
I've got it set to clock between 500-1600Mhz on demand and I've not had a problem yet. Mind you, not many tasks you do on the phone will actually require 1600Mhz and my phone's CPU clocks mostly between 500-800Mhz.
Playing some games or doing quick video conversion will push to 1600Mhz but I rarely play games on my phone and video conversion is short process - burst of 90 seconds to 120 seconds at most. So I think you should be alright so long as you don't leave your phone CPU at 1600Mhz at all times.
Like you said, it is the cooling and ventilation system on the phone, which you can't modify.. Unlike PCs, where you can install bigger fans or water cooling systems. So if the phone isn't constantly cooking itself inside, should be alright.
You should already know that OCing anything is dangerous since you overclock PCs,so I'll skip that part.
Well,if it's dangerous for the phone...It depends.Yes,the processor will die sooner.Yes,you risk frying your device.No,you don't have to push it to the limit(don't push it more that 1450μV,that's the general advice for 45nm chips).However,my thoughts are:
-I won't still have the device when it's time for its CPU to get fried,so I don't actually care.
-Something else,probably the Amoled screen,will make the phone useless by breaking sooner than the CPU will.
-This winter here is really cold(for our standards anyway),so heating has been taken care of.During hotter weather,I kept multiple temperature profiles in SetCPU,so that frequencies get lower as temperatures get higher.
In the end,what matters most to me is to have the experience I want.And with OCing my phone I get it.I'm happy with it,that's all I wanted.So,it's personal preference.Some feel they don't need it,others feel they do.Decide for yourself,that's the best advice.
PS:In case you are using Siyah kernel or CF-Root with Tegrak overclock,try lowering your clock by small steps(8Mhz is the smallest step) for a sane voltage,say 1400μV.Sometimes small increments make big differences.
Thanks for the advice guys. Appreciated.
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Don´t oc sgs2.
I got my mobo fried without oc.
Service center replaced everything else but housing and screen.
I used it 2-3 hours in a row, installed programs and put it in charger.
In the morning, it was completely dead.
Overheated because of the use and charging.
So think about twice before using oc 24/7.
Buffalee said:
Don´t oc sgs2.
I got my mobo fried without oc.
Service center replaced everything else but housing and screen.
I used it 2-3 hours in a row, installed programs and put it in charger.
In the morning, it was completely dead.
Overheated because of the use and charging.
So think about twice before using oc 24/7.
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how can you tell, that its dead because of the use and charging, if you didn't even OC'ed?
Buffalee said:
Don´t oc sgs2.
I got my mobo fried without oc.
Service center replaced everything else but housing and screen.
I used it 2-3 hours in a row, installed programs and put it in charger.
In the morning, it was completely dead.
Overheated because of the use and charging.
So think about twice before using oc 24/7.
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I bet you didn't know there are faulty products out there that show their faults during intensive usage,eh?Mine's running at 1.6GHz(give or take a few MHz ) for months.I've played games while charging countless times.And my phone is still here,intact,so that I can write this here.
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Of course my sgs mobo could have been faulty.
When the mobo fried it was hot, i mean hot.
I didn´t look temperatures.
It didn´t wake up even using jig.
I sended it to service.
If they had succesfully woke it up, they wouldn´t fix it on warranty (rooted).
Normally oc would be fine because it´s using powersave and underclock it.
But if you play like 2 hours on 1,6Ghz it can get too hot (over 60c on cpu).
I can´t recommend that kind of temperature.
And nobody here knows what kind of vrm´s phone has.
Also cooling plates are not designed for massive oc/voltage.
Of course temperature depends on voltage more than the clock speeds.
It´s up to user if he want to use it that kind of voltages/speeds.
I would´t use it 1600Mhz/24/7.
Generally i know what i´m talking about (using water on pc...)
Just look for temperatures and don´t give too much voltage (as low as possible).
Of course you don´t know safe voltage limits, but try and look what other have been using.
Don´t oc much if you don´t know what are you doing.
@tolis626 Hi, I have oc'd to 1.4ghz for the last few weeks, and I have under volted it to 12.75mV, the same as you, have you had any problems at that voltage? Also, is your 1200mhz voltage stable as it seems very low, to say that it was, at stock, 13mV. Furthermore, have you ever tried to under volt 1600mhz please?
Buffalee said:
Of course my sgs mobo could have been faulty.
When the mobo fried it was hot, i mean hot.
I didn´t look temperatures.
It didn´t wake up even using jig.
I sended it to service.
If they had succesfully woke it up, they wouldn´t fix it on warranty (rooted).
Normally oc would be fine because it´s using powersave and underclock it.
But if you play like 2 hours on 1,6Ghz it can get too hot (over 60c on cpu).
I can´t recommend that kind of temperature.
And nobody here knows what kind of vrm´s phone has.
Also cooling plates are not designed for massive oc/voltage.
Of course temperature depends on voltage more than the clock speeds.
It´s up to user if he want to use it that kind of voltages/speeds.
I would´t use it 1600Mhz/24/7.
Generally i know what i´m talking about (using water on pc...)
Just look for temperatures and don´t give too much voltage (as low as possible).
Of course you don´t know safe voltage limits, but try and look what other have been using.
Don´t oc much if you don´t know what are you doing.
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I know what I'm doing.I know the risks,that's why I don't encourage anyone to overclock as much as I do.I carefully monitor temperatures and voltages over long time periods.Rest assured,I won't come back here crying.
danielsf said:
@tolis626 Hi, I have oc'd to 1.4ghz for the last few weeks, and I have under volted it to 12.75mV, the same as you, have you had any problems at that voltage? Also, is your 1200mhz voltage stable as it seems very low, to say that it was, at stock, 13mV. Furthermore, have you ever tried to under volt 1600mhz please?
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Well,since 1400MHz and 1600MHz aren't stock clocks,you don't actually undervolt them.You rather choose a voltage for them as there isn't a standard one.
My phone is stable with the voltages in my sig(I've only changed 200Mhz and 500MHz voltages a little but too bored to update my sig ) for months,so yeah,I'd say I don't have any problems.This doesn't mean that no one will.Your phone might need 1325μV or 1225μV for 1400MHz.Every phone's CPU is unique in its own way.
@tolis626 Thanks very much, one more stupid question please, will under volting from stock Samsung voltages, even if it's stable, decrease performance compared to stock voltages on an average exynos processor please, aslo will undervolting from original kernel clock speed increase the processors life span? I have researching this and came up with nothing.
Will it break your phone? Not directly. It will shorten the lifetime.
Besides that the heat can indirectly kill your device.
I'm just curious:
Why overclocking the device? I have mine underclocked to 1 GHz max. It still has enough power to handle everything.
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I have just been messing around. I can get 1.6ghz perfectly stable at 1350mv, I tried 1325mv and it hung up after about 2 min of use. I can also get my 1.4ghz down to 1225mv's and 1.2ghz to 1.200 it is rock stable and I haven't tried lower voltages on 1.4 & 1.2.
I am going to keep [email protected] & 1.4 @ 1250mv & [email protected]
danielsf said:
@tolis626 Thanks very much, one more stupid question please, will under volting from stock Samsung voltages, even if it's stable, decrease performance compared to stock voltages on an average exynos processor please, aslo will undervolting from original kernel clock speed increase the processors life span? I have researching this and came up with nothing.
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No,undervolting will in fact prolong your processor's lifetime,albeit negligibly,because with less voltage less heat is generated.It's plain physics.
Overclocking on the other hand will reduce your CPU's lifetime.The damage(mostly electromigration) is dependent on the CPU and how much you overclock.Quite frankly again,you won't still have the phone when enough damage is done for it to break.If the slightly lower battery life doesn't bother you that much,I say go for it.
danielsf said:
I have just been messing around. I can get 1.6ghz perfectly stable at 1350mv, I tried 1325mv and it hung up after about 2 min of use. I can also get my 1.4ghz down to 1225mv's and 1.2ghz to 1.200 it is rock stable and I haven't tried lower voltages on 1.4 & 1.2.
I am going to keep [email protected] & 1.4 @ 1250mv & [email protected]
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Dude,that's some nice UV!Mine instantly crashes when I set it to 1375μV at 1600MHz.You're lucky.
Oh and,most probably your phone can handle 1200MHz at 1150μV.
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tolis626 said:
No,undervolting will in fact prolong your processor's lifetime,albeit negligibly,because with less voltage less heat is generated.It's plain physics.
Overclocking on the other hand will reduce your CPU's lifetime.The damage(mostly electromigration) is dependent on the CPU and how much you overclock.Quite frankly again,you won't still have the phone when enough damage is done for it to break.If the slightly lower battery life doesn't bother you that much,I say go for it.
Dude,that's some nice UV!Mine instantly crashes when I set it to 1375μV at 1600MHz.You're lucky.
Oh and,most probably your phone can handle 1200MHz at 1150μV.
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Thank you very much for all your help I tried undervolting 1200mhz more, I got to 1075mv and it was rock stable, I don't think I am going to try anything lower than that. Just for info, I'm on SiyahKernel v2.6.2 Thanks again
CPUs care a lot about voltage and don't give a rip about MHz except for the minor heat increase. The chip in my phone is a bad clocker though. If I could get 1400mhz to work at close to the stock 1200mhz voltage I would do it in a heartbeat. Sadly mine requires a healthy bump so I abstain. At least until I can afford to replace it
Number one rule of overclocking, don't push the voltage if you can't afford to replace it
I discussed the topic of overclocking processors with a friend of mine who design cellphone CPUs. He told me that over the lifetime of a CPU, the insulating oxide layers break down. This process is considerably faster at 40% extra power and frequency. So don't expect it to last as long as a normally clocked CPU. So the question is how long it would normally last.