I installed a task killer and noticed that when killing certain apps, the phone just lags real bad. I discontinued use of it and now the phone has no serious pausing. I was killing unknown apps with Android box icons.
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I installed a task killer and noticed that when killing certain apps, the phone just lags real bad. I discontinued use of it and now the phone has no serious pausing. I was killing unknown apps with Android box icons.
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yeah I uninstalled it as well. I heard Android does great job of managing ram and as soon as it gets low, it will start killing other apps automatically.
you need to learn what apps need to stay running, but some apps are just fluff and worthless... you may need to set up you task killer to ignore certain apps like handcent and clock... killing any android processes is usually a bad idea.. I just kill my 3rd party apps that open for no reason or use it to close apps when I am done using my phone for a while...
You should not need a task killer with this phone. Android has been managing its own memory and background services quite nicely for a while now.
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You should not need a task killer with this phone. Android has been managing its own memory and background services quite nicely for a while now.
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Thats what i was told but when i uninstalled the task killer my phone lagged with everything i did. Even when closing programs properly it still lagged. Im keeping my task killer.
acjames said:
Thats what i was told but when i uninstalled the task killer my phone lagged with everything i did. Even when closing programs properly it still lagged. Im keeping my task killer.
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yeah maybe its not as good as most people say it is at controlling its own memory usage.
Task Killers = meh,
Android has a way of doing things and that means keeping apps open for some time, I tried using app-killers and it did not seem to make my phones run better, and auto kill everything is even worse...
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I installed a task killer and noticed that when killing certain apps, the phone just lags real bad. I discontinued use of it and now the phone has no serious pausing. I was killing unknown apps with Android box icons.
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idk if youre rooted or not, or if this app works on the vibrant cuz it does an amazing job on the g1, but you could try autokiller, tho it requires root. what it does is change the android memory management settings and will kill apps more frequently depending on the settings you choose.
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idk if youre rooted or not, or if this app works on the vibrant cuz it does an amazing job on the g1, but you could try autokiller, tho it requires root. what it does is change the android memory management settings and will kill apps more frequently depending on the settings you choose.
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I still need to use it for those unruly apps but I got so used to it because my old phone would lag with Slacker even in the background and I had to kill it. I've stopped using it and I've stopped having major problems. Just an FYI for those out there that still use one, it's not needed here on a regular basis really.
I noticed that I can't use the "kill all" function in Advanced Task Manager by Arron La any more without making my phone freeze up. My brother suggestion Task Manager by Rhythm Software (he has a MyTouch Slide). This program doesn't give me any problems when killing files and also doesn't list system files (that I've noticed).
The people who are having problems with task killer are the ones that are not setting it up correctly or don't have enough apps installed for it to make any difference.
If you don't setup the ignore list correctly your phone will freak out or make your existing problem worse.
Android 2.2 is a different story though, Froyo is faster without a taskiller
Buddy here's what .....
Download AutoKiller from the market , then go to the dev's webpage ,there he has a lot of information about android and memory management .... then you can make an informed decision .... the lag issue you continue to have .,.,..., you might have to do a hard reset to clear the system of that poorly coded task/app killer ....
Here's some more information http://androidforums.com/samsung-vibrant/124542-constant-apps-restarting-themselves.html
I hope that here on xda we can help people to understand Android and memory management , so they are not fooled by these task/app killers that work against the system ......
heygrl said:
I still need to use it for those unruly apps but I got so used to it because my old phone would lag with Slacker even in the background and I had to kill it. I've stopped using it and I've stopped having major problems. Just an FYI for those out there that still use one, it's not needed here on a regular basis really.
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I used to have the original my touch 3g, lag central, even on custom roms. Task killer was handy, so I got in the Babbitt if killing tasks. I then got me a nexus, and it seemed to have not needed one, but I still used it out of the Babbitt and being paranoid of my plbattery being wasted with apps on the background and lag lol. Well, I'm now done with them, seriously, no need for task killers. I think on this phone it does more damage then good, most apps need to be running on the background, killing them just lags your phone. Like you'd lose signal, or it would run time and date update again, etc.
Task killers may not be necessary for memory management, but it will help save on battery by killing 3rd party apps that stay running in the background. I use Advanced Task Manager myself, and never get any lag when I run it. The main thing you need to "exclude" if you havnt already, is the TWLauncher(or whatever launcher you're running).
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Hi,
Since I read up on how the Android OS works I have not used TaskKiller or similar and the OS works great (MCR 2.8).
I think these task killer apps are redundant.
Anyone actually think they are needed at all?
It's true that the system will kill apps itself when the memory is needed, but a side-affect of having 192MB available to android, is that there will be a lot of open apps before that happens.
While some apps will become 'frozen'/ only taking memory and no cpu time, other will not.
Having these apps in memory, and using cpu while not needing/using those apps, will drain the battery faster.
In such a case, a task killer will be useful.
It may do more harm than good though, I missed an alarm because I killed the clock app once
short answer: no, not needed unless an app is draining the battery while the app is not used/necessary.
Theory is one thing, reality is another.
When I hit the 'kill all' button on taskiller my phone definatly speeds up, sometimes it's essential when an app hangs(phandroid has gone like this recently) or is rather resource heavy (like sky map) as the phone gets rather laggy untill it's taskilled.
yeah, what she said ^^^
If an app is still using cpu after you closed it, then (task-)kill dat motherf-
I've got Taskiller ocd! Less stuff running definitely keeps your phone running nice and fast so if I'm not actively using an app then I kill it. Although I do have all the important stuff on the ignore list so the phone doesn't crash... or I miss an alarm like E2K
I'm currently trying to decide which app I like best for the purpose, Taskiller Full or TaskPanel.
TaskPanel has more useful options like Auto-kill however I think it has a bigger memory footprint than Taskiller.
Okay so my battery life is amazing and this is not the reason for wanting to kill running apps. Sometimes I feel my phone getting a little sluggish (still pretty responsive tho) and after looking into this issue I found that I have so many third party apps that keep starting up and running in the background. I close them but they just keep coming back. I dont want to uninstall them because I use them often. I installed Advanced Task Killer to do the job but it only kills them and then they come back. Also I heard Task killers do more harm than good. Can anyone help me or give me some suggestions on how to stop these apps from constantly running? The built in task killer doesnt kill all the apps in the background. Hardly kills any of them. Just opened apps. Please help, this is really annoying me.
Unfortunately the only app I can think of that would be able to do what you need is an app called "Autostarts" and it requires root. So if you wanted to temp root your phone and purchase the app and set it up on every boot that's your best option.
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Unfortunately the only app I can think of that would be able to do what you need is an app called "Autostarts" and it requires root. So if you wanted to temp root your phone and purchase the app and set it up on every boot that's your best option.
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Ill root and check it out. Thanks.
I definitely recommend AutoStart as well. I have it running on my phone as we speak and, not only does it improve on the already impressive battery life, but it keeps apps from self-loading in the background due to certain conditions being met by the phone.
Okay I got it rooted and installed autostarts. Now I need to play around with it cuz it looks complicated. Any tips?
I have the LG G2x.
I often go to Running Services and check what's running. I am under the impression that this is a good way of knowing which apps run in the background, and how much they consume (memory).
AM I WRONG about this? Sometimes I will uninstall an app if I see it won't close for a long time for no apparent reason - assuming it's slowing down my phone.
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hmm.....think u dont need to do this. and if u want to know the correct details of all running process and activities then install some advanced task managers from market. also you may kill them all together using that app. may include exclude list....so on!!
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I really don't see why you should close the services, unless you are actually experiencing performance problems. Android should be efficient enough to shut down anything that takes way too much resources...
A running services doesn't necessarily mean that it is doing something in the background, it just means that it hasn't been killed and is ready to do whatever it does best.
So unless you have a really old phone with very little RAM or you are actually experiencing performance problems, you shouldn't worry. But it is always good to keep an eye on what is going on once in a while anyway ;-)
if your phone has enough ram and also if the running services dont harm the performance of your device you shouldnt be worried about that ....but i wud still suggest u to use the ram manager instead of closing the running apps in settings
Android doesn't need any sort of micro-managing when it comes to resources. It manages itself, right up until the point where someone does something stupid like installing a 'Task-Killer' or 'RAM Optimiser'.
Stop trying to sabotage your phone and start using it instead!
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Android doesn't need any sort of micro-managing when it comes to resources. It manages itself, right up until the point where someone does something stupid like installing a 'Task-Killer' or 'RAM Optimiser'.
Stop trying to sabotage your phone and start using it instead!
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FINALLY ! I was expecting this would be the case with Android as well. THANK YOU !!!!!!
DirkGently said:
Android doesn't need any sort of micro-managing when it comes to resources. It manages itself, right up until the point where someone does something stupid like installing a 'Task-Killer' or 'RAM Optimiser'.
Stop trying to sabotage your phone and start using it instead!
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Very true Task Killers and the like have been proven to use more memory than anything else. Also they tend to aggrivate a low Memory situation. Some task killers will prematurely shut down programs, the program auto-restarts to finish the task. Which causes even more memory to be allocated. Sometimes a program will have to restart several times causing a larger than usual memory drain. So long story short, stay away from Task Killers.
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Very true Task Killers and the like have been proven to use more memory than anything else. Also they tend to aggrivate a low Memory situation. Some task killers will prematurely shut down programs, the program auto-restarts to finish the task. Which causes even more memory to be allocated. Sometimes a program will have to restart several times causing a larger than usual memory drain. So long story short, stay away from Task Killers.
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Thank you as well!
I wonder why Google doesn't restrict these from the Market....
I have kinda nooby question... i am using a phone with stock gingerbread and i am using an advanced task killer. I know a lot of people say that I shouldn't do it, but it just makes my phone a lot faster and smoother. As a noob, i have one question: is task killer really harmful to my phone and is it better for me to not use it? If you say yes, please provide me some specific reason why. Thank you ask much guys!
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its not that bad... but u should not kill background services!
keep settings on safe... don't use aggressive mode
applications u know u use often for example- browser or music player... u can add to excluded section... currently im using ZDBox and it works perfect... it also has additional features that you will need... hope this helps
I only use the ATK to kill an app that's not responding well.
For example, when I was using CM7, sometimes my Google Reader app would hang and display a loading symbol for a long time instead of displaying my articles, and the arrow that shows transmission over the network wasn't displaying so I knew it wasn't waiting on data, I would use ATK to kill ONLY Google Reader. Then I could go back into the app and it would load very quickly.
But since I switched to an ICS ROM, I haven't had that same issue and haven't had a need for ATK.
Also, do note that it does take processing power, and therefore battery power, when your phone decides to restart any of those apps you are killing, and it will restart apps.
For a great explanatory article, see here:
http://androidandme.com/2011/11/app...lers-still-dont-give-you-better-battery-life/
and also the links in the phrase "(see here, and here, and here)".
So in short, they are not exactly "harmful" but they don't provide any real benefit if you "kill everything, every time."
It is a common myth that more RAM = better performance, and this is a result of the market being dominated by Microsoft for so long. Android does not equal a desktop OS. Free RAM literally does nothing. In fact, it is wasteful to have bunch of free RAM. Android manages RAM very effectively and aggressively works to ensure that you have sufficient resources to do whatever it is you want to do. If you notice an increase in performance with a task killer, it is because you have a misbehaving app. Watchdog is the only task manager I would recommend, all it does is watch for apps that are using an abnormal amount of resources and alerts you. Part of the Android experience is the emulated multi-tasking, or having several apps saved to memory simultaneously to facilitate ease of switching between them. An app in the background will not affect the performance of your device, it is not using any resources. Aside from that, if you end a task, it will usually just start right up again, using more resources, because that is how Android is designed to work.
So, I would say finding the misbehaving app is a much better option than a task killer. They were important in eclair, maybe even FroYo. But anything above that they are unnecessary.
i dont really believe in android"s app managmentbut task killers make it only worst IMHO
I have to agree with member devator22.
Android is not Windows. Android is basically Linux and Linux is using a different memory management than Windows does. (Although Windows has got a lot of improvements during the last years)
RAM which isn't used, is wasted! That's a fact.
So, if you run a specific application, some of its data my be cached. Linux is reporting this as "buffered" (you can see the amount by running the 'top' command)
There might be a more or less big chance to hit this cache. If so, the data is loaded much faster ( definetly > 10 ) than if it had to be requested from the file system.
By killing your application by a task manger you are releasing this buffered resources (actually you are forcing the OS to release it). In the worst case you are wasting your advantage of loading already cached data from the RAM. In the best case you are gaining nothing because your device has to load it from the file system anyway.
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Get watchdog!
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Thank you so much for these replies! I really appreciate it! I decided to keep my task killer but not use it aggressively. I probably will use it to end apps that i really find it pointless. And also to the people who said android dies it's own task managing, you're right but wrong at the same time. When i didn't use my task killer, android did killed some apps in in order to launch more apps, but it left only like 10mb of 300mb, which i found little odd and also it mainly killed launchers which was very annoying.
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Task killer will speed up your phone if you know what you're doing. Only kill tasks that you are familiar with...e.g. apps that you know you have launched and won't be using anymore. Those apps running in the background can slow down your device.
If I'm on ICS, its better to use the bult-in task killer, or download one from the market?
Guys, he's not saying he does it for the memory. He says the phone's smoother. I don't know whether this is true, but if there are background tasks performing operations that he doesn't want them to do, it's *absolutely appropriate* to kill them.
The flip side of that is that the applications will eventually be automatically started again, and that startup takes extra CPU time. As long as the process startup and process killing happens when the screen is off, I would think this could improve the responsiveness.
But I think on most people's phones, the background processes really don't use a lot of CPU...
I know by default even Gbs memory management isn't the best. The app priorities are a bit weird aand the launcher gets killed to easily. Running the v6 supercharger scripts and making the launcher hard to kill and fixing the priorities and changing the oom settings makes any from wicked fast
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I am not rooted, so I can't do anything that involves rooting.
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Instead of killing an app over and over again install something like Gemini App Manager and disable the app's autostart permissions. For example, dropbox and dropbox sync are set to automatically start at boot or when there's a connectivity change. I understand why they're set to do that but for my purposes I only needed them to start when I actually used them.
Having said that, I no longer use Gemini and have never used an automatic task killer. I think android (ICS) does a good enough job managing it's memory that I don't need to be anal about micromanaging it myself. I think it also helps that I'm not an appaholic. I'm very picky about what I install and will only keep an app installed if I regularly use it.
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If I'm on ICS, its better to use the bult-in task killer, or download one from the market?
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Built-In is much better
im on ics on my captivate and it runs beyond smooth
like stated before having free RAM with not do anything
android has a good way of muti tasking
Is there a task manager that'll kill apps and permanently kill tasks processes? I've noticed that some will kill the task then the task will automatically start back up again...
Looking for the best that'll actually purge the memory and all that.
You should never use a task killer. Android manages memory on its own. Killing tasks will only lead to instability.
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They say that but I've yet to ever see it happen! LMAO
I've seen "so called" task managers handle memory better than that this nonexistent invisible task manager android speaks of.
What are ya supposed to do when ya have 20 something app's running in the background, just leave them running and let this unknown task manager "supposedly" handle them...
How bout managing startup app's and what not? Furthermore if android has a built in task manager where is it and why isn't it working or why not make it better?
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They say that but I've yet to ever see it happen! LMAO
I've seen "so called" task managers handle memory better than that this nonexistent invisible task manager android speaks of.
What are ya supposed to do when ya have 20 something app's running in the background, just leave them running and let this unknown task manager "supposedly" handle them...
How bout managing startup app's and what not? Furthermore if android has a built in task manager where is it and why isn't it working or why not make it better?
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I'd suggest a little more reading on the subject.
If there's something you really don't want running then freezing or removing it is a more efficient alternative than repeatedly killing it only for it to restart over and over.
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I use All-In-One Toolbox. Yes, I use a task manager, I have been using it since I got my LG Optimus One. I have been a developer for 9 years on both windows and linux platforms. It is true that linux manages memory better than windows, therefor Android benefits from this being build on the linux kernel. The fact remains, an app that doesn't run, doesn't use memory. Applications on android behave much like applications do on Windows Mobile, the don't exit but remain in memory in order to have quicker start up times. Unfortunately, killing an up does cause to restart, but I have noticed from personal experience that in that case, since the UI haven't shown yet, it uses less memory. I have no problem waiting for an app to start up, as long as while it runs, it runs smoothly. For that reason I disable many apps from start up that I don't need to run on a day to day basis but only when I need the app. AIO Toolbox handles all of that, task killer with whitelist, start up management, file manager, apk backup and restore and a slew of features I hardly ever use.
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conantroutman said:
I'd suggest a little more reading on the subject.
If there's something you really don't want running then freezing or removing it is a more efficient alternative than repeatedly killing it only for it to restart over and over.
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What are some good articles on the subject then?
cornelha said:
I use All-In-One Toolbox. Yes, I use a task manager, I have been using it since I got my LG Optimus One. I have been a developer for 9 years on both windows and linux platforms. It is true that linux manages memory better than windows, therefor Android benefits from this being build on the linux kernel. The fact remains, an app that doesn't run, doesn't use memory. Applications on android behave much like applications do on Windows Mobile, the don't exit but remain in memory in order to have quicker start up times. Unfortunately, killing an up does cause to restart, but I have noticed from personal experience that in that case, since the UI haven't shown yet, it uses less memory. I have no problem waiting for an app to start up, as long as while it runs, it runs smoothly. For that reason I disable many apps from start up that I don't need to run on a day to day basis but only when I need the app. AIO Toolbox handles all of that, task killer with whitelist, start up management, file manager, apk backup and restore and a slew of features I hardly ever use.
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Yea I'm the same way when I used winmo I loved HTC CleanRAM, Pocket Mechanic and SKTools I really wish I could find a tool for android like SKTools, that was one powerful app. LoL
But I'm the same type of user you are it seems, right now it's at a toss up for me between Go Task Manager and ES Task Manager, but if anybody askes me for a good task manager to use I tell them ES Task Manager, cause it's startup list editor is a lot more newby user friendly telling ya whats safe to remove from the list and what isn't.