So back when 2.2 was announced it was said to have UMA and tethering built in,both of which are important to me ( and yes know you can tether now) but i haven't heard much about it since I'm afraid that there won't be any UMA which I need the most because I travel allot any insights updates hope
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So back when 2.2 was announced it was said to have UMA and tethering built in,both of which are important to me ( and yes know you can tether now) but i haven't heard much about it since I'm afraid that there won't be any UMA which I need the most because I travel allot any insights updates hope
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If UMA was that important to you, then you should have gotten the Bold 9700. Vibrant won't have UMA.
From what you describe, needing UMA and traveling a lot, I'm guessing you are some sort of corporate professional. Seems like you got the wrong phone, you needed to stick with Blackberry.
Now 50 people are going to scream at me and tell me how wrong I am.
Sorry, but Android and iPhone is essentially a toy. If you are a corporate professional you need to be using Blackberry.
Okay let all the Android Fanboys start screaming at me.
Uma is different that voice over wifi, as uma supports handovers between the networks. But voice over wifi Is what most people NEED. And I'm pretty sure it will be in the vibrant version of 2.2. It will be in the form of a wifi calling app.
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If UMA was that important to you, then you should have gotten the Bold 9700. Vibrant won't have UMA.
From what you describe, needing UMA and traveling a lot, I'm guessing you are some sort of corporate professional. Seems like you got the wrong phone, you needed to stick with Blackberry.
Now 50 people are going to scream at me and tell me how wrong I am.
Sorry, but Android and iPhone is essentially a toy. If you are a corporate professional you need to be using Blackberry.
Okay let all the Android Fanboys start screaming at me.
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hehe .. that maybe true a year ago, but both iphone and android have come a long way to provide corporate professional needs. But don't call Android a toy .. haha .. maybe true for iphone (sorry iphone fanboys)
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Uma is different that voice over wifi, as uma supports handovers between the networks. But voice over wifi Is what most people NEED. And I'm pretty sure it will be in the vibrant version of 2.2. It will be in the form of a wifi calling app.
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This would be great if true - I live in an old concrete building where the service sucks, and I don't have a landline. Do you have a specific source for this info? I would love to look into it a bit more. Thanks.
Assuming you don't need to use your actual T-Mobile line, you could get a SIP number.
WiFi calling app would be excellent, but what about texts?
I've always felt that UMA was something that could probably be emulated with the right software.
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WiFi calling app would be excellent, but what about texts?
I've always felt that UMA was something that could probably be emulated with the right software.
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Seems like it, right? I would pay for it if there's a dev who can do it. AFAIK, texts would work no problem - never had a problem sending texts when using UMA on my old blackberry.
As for the SIP option - if I need to get a different phone #, it seems to defeat the purpose. I'm hoping to replicate my blackberry experience, if possible. May have to try SIP though, who knows!
You can use goole voice to text using wifi right now.
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So back when 2.2 was announced it was said to have UMA and tethering built in,both of which are important to me ( and yes know you can tether now) but i haven't heard much about it since I'm afraid that there won't be any UMA which I need the most because I travel allot any insights updates hope
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I am not sure what you meant by UMA. But i know that our phone Samsung Vibrant was shipped with APV or APV Mobile application (hotspot built in the phone). Tmobile modified it. I google and remember find someone has post instructions on how to restore this capability to the phone. If someone knows about this, please voice. Thanks.
UMA stands for unlicensed mobile access, and, as I understand it, is a standard that allows you to seamlessly(?) switch between WiFi and mobile calling networks. This allows you to make a call over WiFi, when available, and then over a mobile network when not available. It is a service that T-Mobile either offers, or has offered.
AP Mobile is the capability to use the Vibrant as a WiFi hotspot. This is disabled in the phone, but someone has figured out how to enable it. You can read about it here.
As another poster said above, what most people really want is WiFi calling. Hopefully, this will be available for the Vibrant in a future update.
Tmo doesn't offer any UMA plans anymore ([email protected]). Had that plan before I got the vibrant. Worked nicely but apparently didnt catch on. But it still had to create an ipsec tunnel to a voicestream.com address. Seems like there is a lot of synchronization required for such a seamless transition between wifi and cell towers. Doubt it would be emulated very well without a lot of cooperation with a lot of of the big mobile phone operators.
I would be very surprised if UMA came back to tmobile anytime soon.
t-mobile still has uma most of the blackberrys and the e73 support it. There is just no more UMA plan, UMA minutes are your normal minutes now.
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Tmo doesn't offer any UMA plans anymore ([email protected]). Had that plan before I got the vibrant. Worked nicely but apparently didnt catch on. But it still had to create an ipsec tunnel to a voicestream.com address. Seems like there is a lot of synchronization required for such a seamless transition between wifi and cell towers. Doubt it would be emulated very well without a lot of cooperation with a lot of of the big mobile phone operators.
I would be very surprised if UMA came back to tmobile anytime soon.
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As you pointed out, tethering is covered now, if not "out of the box". (I set up mobileap day one on an as-yet unrooted Vibrant) UMA in all it's 'glory' requires the carrier (and your service plan) to support it, but for full calls start-to-finish over wifi VOIP does the trick.
I've not yet found a VOIP app I'm satisfied with though. And of course it requires you to have some (usually paid, to get landline connections) VOIP service to connect the calls.
IAX (Inter-Asterisk eXchange) might be better overall than SIP since it's essentially a tunnel that one or more calls, text messages, etc are passed through. (makes it simpler and more universal behind a NAT, as seen on many broadband routers, hotel networks, etc) Most VOIP services don't offer it though. (Teliax does - imagine...) I've tested with it from my Vibrant to my home VOIP server, but the app wasn't stable and I've not returned to try again.
SIP is the far more likely candidate. It just gets sticky sometimes with NAT. Things like no audio one way or failure of incoming calls to reach the phone are symptoms. STUN servers can help sometimes.
The GSM codec - the same used for voice compression across GSM cell networks - is available with most providers and IIRC only requires 9600bps (uncompressed PCMA/U AKA ALaw/ULaw are IIRC 64kbps codecs) so it's entirely feasible to use it across 3G or even EDGE. (though inherent lag on EDGE makes it unbearable - trust me, I've done that)
With most of the VOIP clients I've tried so far (1 week with Vibrant) for outbound calls the dialer will present you a choice of VOIP or normal cell calls, and/or you can select a default, aned you can override that default when dialing or in contacts. My Vibrant is extension 102 on either my home phone or my home office line, and any cell calls unanswered are forwarded to my VOIP line instead of T-Mo voicemail. (and a select list of callers will ring it if they call my VOIP line, at the same time as my home phones - could actually do that without VOIP on the phone, though)
All my VOIP voicemails are emailed to me as WAV attachments noting callerid and time/duration, which the email app picks up and alerts me to just like any other email. And SIP and IAX have provisions for 'text messaging', (and video too, though it's not often supported) but the server has to be set up as a SMS gateway to reach cell phones transparently, which is a pain.
Al in all it works quite well, if I can just find an app that's both stable and makes me happy. [disclaimer: I'm an ISP network admin and programmer, and I built/installed/configured/maintain my own home VOIP server - YMMVD]
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First off I have to say Im a proud member of the best phone produced (till today), Htc Hero. Everything looks and feels and fullfills my needs accordingly, besides one thing. And this one thing bugs me alot.
Why have skype launched this "lite" crap, with no real voip at all? And that on a internett phone... Something is not right at the skype department!
Because of my personal situation Im dependent on skype voip services (the only reason why im not throwing my htc touch cruise away). So heres the request: make my (love)life a bit easier, bite the skype developers in the arse and/or help porting/create a skype client for android that can make full use of voip.
I hope some developers here will take the job and get the well earned fame that will come with it!
ps: I do know that there are some alternatives, google voice is not for europe yet and truphone is crashing at the opening.
sipdroid is true VoIP, SIP-based. It will work with a wide variety of hardware and software IP phones.
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sipdroid is true VoIP, SIP-based. It will work with a wide variety of hardware and software IP phones.
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Hey, from what I can tell this doesnt work with skype, is this the case or am I just being blonde?
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Dan
I think skype didn't do a full VOIP application otherwise it will literally chew through many bytes of your data plan and thus would be very expensive for the end user on a mobile network - obviously wifi and skype wouldn't be a such a problem.
I am guessing and assuming that "skype lite" works the similar way to iSkoot (Winmo equivalent) where it uses the voice channel (and some jiggery-pokery) to make a call to another skype user - which to my knowledge is how the 3 network is able to offer unlimited skype calls (using iSkoot, not sure about skype lite but if anyone knows, let me know!)
If skype is listening, perhaps an option in "skype lite" application to specify how the voice is carried out (ie via data channel or the voice channel) might be a good idea.
But feel free to correct me on that!
ps, did anyone see the comments made on skype lite on the market place (by Mattman 9-aug-2009) saying that skype lite appears to be a "phishing app scanning for paid skype accounts and should be reported to google and ftc" - is that true?
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Hey, from what I can tell this doesnt work with skype, is this the case or am I just being blonde?
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It doesn't work with skype since skype is a proprietary app that works with nothing else. Though there is a workaround, gizmo5 has a SIP<->skype gateway. Never tried it, though.
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I am guessing and assuming that "skype lite" works the similar way to iSkoot (Winmo equivalent) where it uses the voice channel (and some jiggery-pokery) to make a call to another skype user - which to my knowledge is how the 3 network is able to offer unlimited skype calls (using iSkoot, not sure about skype lite but if anyone knows, let me know!)
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Essentially, when you initiate a call with Skype Lite, what it does is communicate back to Skype servers on the data channel with details of whom you want to contact (Skype username, phone number etc). The Skype servers then set up a link from a local phone number to your required destination, and send this number back to your phone which Skype Lite then dials.
So your phone essentially calls a Skype phone number over the standard voice channels (and usually consuming your inclusive minutes), and this call is routed over the Skype network to your required destination.
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So your phone essentially calls a Skype phone number over the standard voice channels (and usually consuming your inclusive minutes), and this call is routed over the Skype network to your required destination.
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foxmeister > that is exactly what I am thinking. The "skype lite" software is calling a special number over voice channel and its routed over the skype network to the required destination as you said. I think this is identical to how "iSkoot" works and thus the "three" network users can get free unlimited skype-to-skype calls because it identifies a particular number its calling to be free.
If the "skype lite" and "iSkoot" is calling the same special number, It should in theory be able to get the free unlimited skype-to-skype calls using the "skype lite" application. I guess there is only one way to find out! There does seems to be iSkoot application for android but can't seem to be able to find it on the market place!
http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=343121&pid=1815881&st=0&#entry1815881
Bump that thread
it was a request i made for this same exact thing on the skype forums.
They would be the ones to publish the app.
Skype, iSkoot and three.co.uk
After finally disassembling the code, there is a hidden easter egg on the "about" screen for the iskoot application. If your lucky to have the G1 phone, type in @1905 and it will bring up the advance menu where you can specify to use the three network.
If you're unlucky to have the htc hero (like me!), you have to use the window dos command "adb shell" to connect to the phone, then do "/system/bin/input text @1905" and allow you to enter that key on the about screen.
Its not perfect. But it seems to make a call to the uk three number (+44..882 + +44..874).
Once in the advance menu, put http://mobile.three.co.uk/948 into the url (using keyboard, or use that "input text" command) and save it (I can't remember if I had to tick the "Auto Pilot Mode" on or off, but try with it off first)
It will take a little time to sign in (or even a couple of attempts) you should get your buddy list and able to make a call
By the way, don't have it use the wifi. It seems better to have it sign in via 3g, but I could be wrong. And second, there is an awful lot of http 404 response errors coming back from three network (doesn't seem to effect it), but neverless, its just putting a strain on your phone I would imagine - plus, not sure if those 404 http responses coming back will use up your data allowance. so do some testing first! Its just a little difficult to test properly when all the other apps wants to use you internet data allowance! (is there an app for that?)
Anyway, just letting you know what i have found. if those HTTP 404 is gonna be a problem, I can tweak the code, but probably won't be able to share that apk file as I am not sure where the law stands on that!
Warning: Haven't fully tested it yet, so don't blame/slag me if its starts to eat into your credits!
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After finally disassembling the code, there is a hidden easter egg on the "about" screen for the iskoot application. If your lucky to have the G1 phone, type in @1905 and it will bring up the advance menu where you can specify to use the three network.
If you're unlucky to have the htc hero (like me!), you have to use the window dos command "adb shell" to connect to the phone, then do "/system/bin/input text @1905" and allow you to enter that key on the about screen.
Its not perfect. But it seems to make a call to the uk three number (+44..882 + +44..874).
Once in the advance menu, put http://mobile.three.co.uk/948 into the url (using keyboard, or use that "input text" command) and save it (I can't remember if I had to tick the "Auto Pilot Mode" on or off, but try with it off first)
It will take a little time to sign in (or even a couple of attempts) you should get your buddy list and able to make a call
By the way, don't have it use the wifi. It seems better to have it sign in via 3g, but I could be wrong. And second, there is an awful lot of http 404 response errors coming back from three network (doesn't seem to effect it), but neverless, its just putting a strain on your phone I would imagine - plus, not sure if those 404 http responses coming back will use up your data allowance. so do some testing first! Its just a little difficult to test properly when all the other apps wants to use you internet data allowance! (is there an app for that?)
Anyway, just letting you know what i have found. if those HTTP 404 is gonna be a problem, I can tweak the code, but probably won't be able to share that apk file as I am not sure where the law stands on that!
Warning: Haven't fully tested it yet, so don't blame/slag me if its starts to eat into your credits!
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works well so far thank
Glad it worked for you. Just keep an eye on your credits. Its kinda hard to do especially when all those apps is trying to use up your internet data allowance too! Wish there was some sort of app that can control what can use the wifi or the mobile internet.
Does your mobile internet icon appear ok or it is it constantly showing both the up/down arrow as white? if so, it might drain your battery a bit quicker because of the streaming internet traffic.
Glad it worked out ok for you. Just keep an eye on your credits which is a bit hard to do since all your other apps wants mobile internet access!
Check your battery level too - if you have both the up/down arrow on the mobile internet constantly on, you might find that it might drain your battery a bit quicker.
I just wish there was an option somewhere (perhaps an app?) that can allow to set what programs can use which method of internet (mobile or wifi)
Hi tweedie, I did as you wrote in post #9, I also noticed that the url was already input so I didnt need to type in. Is it because I already adb pushed .xml document as per iskoot thread in Dream section?
@LordLucan - most probably yes. That easter egg screen reads/writes from that xml file that you pushed.
By the way, I wasn't aware of that xml push method as per dream forum (doh!). When you used skype - did you find that your internet icon (that H icon at the top of the screen) was constantly showing up/down white arrows? And whats your battery life like?
@tweedie, Yes H symbol is constantly on. Pity! It would be good if it drops down to 3G. Battery life is about 10 to 12 hrs from full charge on standby with sipdroid also running.It may be little above average since mine is a data sim and not used from normal mobile gsm calls.
Also noted that V 2.51 (Modaco) is fractionally better that early v2.
By the way, have thought about doing same trick on Skype Lite from Market? Its a much lighter client and may be good on data/battery. I have the apk file should you need.
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I just wish there was an option somewhere (perhaps an app?) that can allow to set what programs can use which method of internet (mobile or wifi)
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Such an apps exists, it's called Droidwall and is a firewall application which con block or unblock wanted apps from either 3g or WiFi. Sadly it does not work on MoDaCo custom rom right now, but I just registered and will give Paul a note. Seems like there is only one kernel module missing.
@hero-user
thanks for that Droidwall, sounds just the app I needed
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thanks for checking. This indicates to me that the xml push method and the easter egg way is both working the same way and both is probably getting a load of HTTP404 error back from 3 network (and possibly shortening its battery life).
Its possible that skype lite might have some configuration files that can be set to make it call a "3 network" number, but I doubt it would work.
I am guessing that iSkoot makes a url request to 3 network (a custom iskoot server perhaps?) to sign in, get messages, makes calls, etc. And when you make a skype call, it tells that iSkoot server (not skype) that you are making a call to X and prepares a call. Your phone will then make a voice call to that special skype-to-skype number and because its prepared (and somehow knows its you) it directs your voice to the skype at the other end. Again, its just a guess work from the traffic I've been looking at from iSkoot on winmo devices.
Hi Tweedie, Thanks.
Just a thought. 3 Australia have been marketing HTC Magic and I wonder if users there had skype client on their handset.
Early on I phoned 3 and an advisor said there will be a skype client on Hero but I think he didnt know what he was talking about!!!
I'm with 3 Australia with the Magic and can confirm that there was no Skype app installed on the handset.
Using the steps mentioned here I've managed to get skype running over x-series, but still can't make SkypeOUT calls tho - only Skype to Skype.
Word is the Skype is going open source - at least for it's Linux version.
This should hopefully make it fairly simple for a full blown native Skype app on Android.
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Dave
Is there a way to use this nice software to place free calls knowing the sip address (aka ip address) of the correspondant?
In other softwares like sjphone (which, indeed does not work on my hd2...) it was possibile to dial something like call [email protected] etc.
Am I wrong?
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Hi,
I searched and found that “SIP” creates connection b/w two or more people to make phone calls to each other using the Internet to carry the call. It’s not 100% free. But the calling rate is cheaper. You can find how to make SIP call from this link.
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Hi,
I searched and found that “SIP” creates connection b/w two or more people to make phone calls to each other using the Internet to carry the call. It’s not 100% free. But the calling rate is cheaper. You can find how to make SIP call from this link.
www{.}youtube.com[/]watch?v=z0KR2I_s-Aw
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Dear friend, I have been using sip since 2004 so I know pretty well how it works and its costs.
What I'd like to know now, is slightly different and is related to the software I indicated in the subject.
i will be spending a week in japan (narita/ tokyo) next month and would like to stay connected (voice, texting, data) while there. however, i'd like to do this in the most cost-effective (ie cheap as possible) way.
i am currently with an AT&T plan. my SGH-i777 is rooted, running CM7, and is sim-unlocked.
where do i go from here?
will i be able to use this phone at all?
can i buy a prepaid sim and use that instead for the duration of the week?
rental phones? (i have read about rental phones, etc, but it seems you may be required to present local (japanese) id.)
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i will be spending a week in japan (narita/ tokyo) next month and would like to stay connected (voice, texting, data) while there. however, i'd like to do this in the most cost-effective (ie cheap as possible) way.
i am currently with an AT&T plan. my SGH-i777 is rooted, running CM7, and is sim-unlocked.
where do i go from here?
will i be able to use this phone at all?
can i buy a prepaid sim and use that instead for the duration of the week?
rental phones? (i have read about rental phones, etc, but it seems you may be required to present local (japanese) id.)
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My guess would be a prepaid SIM. I THINK the I777 has support for the bands that NTT DoCoMo uses.
I don't know how much prepaid SIMs in Japan cost or their cost effectiveness though. Probably better to ask in a forum related to travel/tourism in Japan since that's a generic non-phone-specific question once you go beyond band support.
I have used this:
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/international/roaming/travel-guide.jsp
Click on "Use the Travel Guide" and select your country and phone. It says the I777 is compatible with both voice and data.
But prepaid SIM is definitely the way to go.
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. . . But prepaid SIM is definitely the way to go.
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Forget about a prepaid sim from docomo they want all sorts of paper work. Either long term stay or id papers (Japan is rather xenophobic) softbank does have prepaid but you will need a Japanese friend to get it for you. Other than that check with some sellers online that sell multi national prepaid sims. Att will screw you over with international charges
I forgot to mention you may be able to find a raku raku phone ( prepaid ) not sure if it comes with a sim or not though
Go to Howardforums.com and look in the Japanese phone section. They may have some more answers for you
Check out xcom global WiFi hotspot. Easiest way to stay connected.
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Check out xcom global WiFi hotspot. Easiest way to stay connected.
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Damn! Wish i saw this earlier- leaving in a few hours.
I will 100% keep it in mind.
Anyway, definitely not going the prepaid phone or sim way, as the rates, aside from all the paperwork as mentioned, are higher thant he romaing rates i will gfet by simply using at&t. also, at&t will work on nttdocomo and softbank networks, which have the biggest presence in the regions i will be visiting.
thanks for the suggestions and ideas!
so, i just got back.
first, after calling at&t, i had to enable roaming on my account (free setting so one can connect to the carriers while romaing), which enabled me to connect to either softbank or ntt docomo, both of which had equally great signal in tokyo- ginza area. worked well in shibuya, and roppongi as well.
i had disabled data while roaming, and also disabled the auto-retrieve of sms. for some reason, sms messages came through anyway... is that an issue with my rom (cm7)?
since we had wifi in our room, i used the Viber app for voip calling, text and picture messages, while google voice via the Groove IP app for calling anyone who didn't have Viber, including landlines in the US and canada. Groove IP is a must if you plan on calling any US/ canada numbers while away- the voice quality was nearly flawless, and you can also receive calls if you enable call-forwarding on your carrier, and set google voice to forward calls to google chat (which end up in Groove IP).
if anyone else is travelling, and needs some suggestions, just post a reply. i think now, after the fact in my case , i have it all down.
I'm deploying to Kuwait. Definitely keeping this thread in mind!
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I'm deploying to Kuwait. Definitely keeping this thread in mind!
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Foremost, no matter the country you represent, thanks for your support!
Now, this sounds like you will be there a while. I'm guessing you will have some basic wifi access while at base. If that's the case, I recommend a few things:
1. Get Viber. It's completely free. No ads, no signup! It automatically scans your contact list and will tell you what other users in your existing contact list have Viber installed. It works on Android and iOS, so be sure to tell those you most often talk to to also get Viber. It's by far one of the most transparently integrated applications I've used in that it has no learning curve, and works immediately out of the box.
The downsides are: requires a data connection (in your case, wifi), and both parties must have the app installed. Other than that, sending pictures and texts is a breeze, and voice quality is superb over wifi. Keep in mind, the other party can receive your communication via Viber simply over their 3g/4g, and don't necessarily have to be on wifi themselves.
2. Assuming you are based in the US or Canada, get yourself a Google Voice account setup asap, if not already done. This allows you to call any phone (mobile or landline) in those regions entirely free. You can call using your computer while on wifi.
3. Get Groove IP. Grovoe IP requires a Google Voice account. Pairing the two allows you to make and receive calls on your mobile, using data, or wifi.
The power of using Google Voice paired with Groove IP is that, while you're on wifi when abroad, you can call a mobile or landline directly- unlike in Viber's case, whereby you can only call another Viber user on their mobile. Also, this combination, allows you to send sms, though not any picture messages- can always use email for that.
Additionally, you can receive calls via the Groove IP setup from any number(you must setup GV to forward to Google Chat- this step is in the setup instructions of Groove IP).
So, the ideal setup is this:
Get Viber, and tell all your family members and friends to get it as well
Setup Google Voice and Groove IP
Before leaving, get your phone setup to forward all calls to your GV number, and in turn, setup GV to forward calls to Google Chat (which ends up in Groove IP on your mobile).
So, when you are at the base, and have your handset connected to wifi, as long as GrooveIP and Viber are running, you will be fully connected. Anyone calling your regular number as if you had never left will be able to reach you, as will any of the Viber users calling via mobile.
Sorry for the long-winded rant, but I hope I've covered some useful ground, which worked well through my experience anyway.
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Just to mention the obvious- don't forget google chat- as long as you are on wifi, and so is the other party, you can do voice or video chat. There is modded version of google talk so at least the other party with 3g/4g access does not have to also use wifi.
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I'm deploying to Kuwait. Definitely keeping this thread in mind!
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Lucky, we aren't allowed to bring cell phones.
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Foremost, no matter the country you represent, thanks for your support!
Now, this sounds like you will be there a while. I'm guessing you will have some basic wifi access while at base. If that's the case, I recommend a few things:
1. Get Viber. It's completely free. No ads, no signup! It automatically scans your contact list and will tell you what other users in your existing contact list have Viber installed. It works on Android and iOS, so be sure to tell those you most often talk to to also get Viber. It's by far one of the most transparently integrated applications I've used in that it has no learning curve, and works immediately out of the box.
The downsides are: requires a data connection (in your case, wifi), and both parties must have the app installed. Other than that, sending pictures and texts is a breeze, and voice quality is superb over wifi. Keep in mind, the other party can receive your communication via Viber simply over their 3g/4g, and don't necessarily have to be on wifi themselves.
2. Assuming you are based in the US or Canada, get yourself a Google Voice account setup asap, if not already done. This allows you to call any phone (mobile or landline) in those regions entirely free. You can call using your computer while on wifi.
3. Get Groove IP. Grovoe IP requires a Google Voice account. Pairing the two allows you to make and receive calls on your mobile, using data, or wifi.
The power of using Google Voice paired with Groove IP is that, while you're on wifi when abroad, you can call a mobile or landline directly- unlike in Viber's case, whereby you can only call another Viber user on their mobile. Also, this combination, allows you to send sms, though not any picture messages- can always use email for that.
Additionally, you can receive calls via the Groove IP setup from any number(you must setup GV to forward to Google Chat- this step is in the setup instructions of Groove IP).
So, the ideal setup is this:
Get Viber, and tell all your family members and friends to get it as well
Setup Google Voice and Groove IP
Before leaving, get your phone setup to forward all calls to your GV number, and in turn, setup GV to forward calls to Google Chat (which ends up in Groove IP on your mobile).
So, when you are at the base, and have your handset connected to wifi, as long as GrooveIP and Viber are running, you will be fully connected. Anyone calling your regular number as if you had never left will be able to reach you, as will any of the Viber users calling via mobile.
Sorry for the long-winded rant, but I hope I've covered some useful ground, which worked well through my experience anyway.
UPDATE
Just to mention the obvious- don't forget google chat- as long as you are on wifi, and so is the other party, you can do voice or video chat. There is modded version of google talk so at least the other party with 3g/4g access does not have to also use wifi.
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Groove IP sounds awesome! That seems like the most practical solution since everyone already has my Google Voice number!
And thank you for YOUR support!
skatin707 said:
Lucky, we aren't allowed to bring cell phones.
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Who is "we"?
MaxRabbit said:
Groove IP sounds awesome! That seems like the most practical solution since everyone already has my Google Voice number!
And thank you for YOUR support!
Who is "we"?
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I keep finding these threads trying to make calls out of mexico.
THE SOLUTION IS NOT TO USE GOOGLE VOICE GOOGLE VOICE DOES NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF THE US
bobsled sounded like a good alternative but no one can hear me on the other end
redking117 said:
I keep finding these threads trying to make calls out of mexico.
THE SOLUTION IS NOT TO USE GOOGLE VOICE GOOGLE VOICE DOES NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF THE US
bobsled sounded like a good alternative but no one can hear me on the other end
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Did you need to necro this 4 month old thread though?
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redking117 said:
I keep finding these threads trying to make calls out of mexico.
THE SOLUTION IS NOT TO USE GOOGLE VOICE GOOGLE VOICE DOES NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF THE US
bobsled sounded like a good alternative but no one can hear me on the other end
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Why did you have to tell them that. I don't think they need to know that since it's been 4 months.
The answer is, people don't look at dates. They just see a problem and think "hey, my post count could use a boost...feck it!" And dive right in. In all fairness he could be blind and have everything being read to him. In which case maybe he missed it telling him how old the thread was.
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ok so i bought this phone and it's delightful. I dont get the speeds i would normally get on a native tmobile 4g phone, but most of the time i'm either working or at home so wifi is always available
however, i've recently moved into a new apartment with my fiance and i only get about 1 bar of reception in my bedroom, and pretty much no bars in my living room and bathroom. Unfortunately, it dosen't appear as though this phone has any native wifi calling, and was wondering if anybody had some sort of resolution for this?
Yes i thought of some of the other apps out there but what i dont like is the fact that i either have to subscribe a new number, or there are advertisements before ringing, or how i have to disable an app when i go out because my data connection isn't as fast as a native tmobile 4g, so im kind of in a bind... i really love the phone and would prefer to keep using it, i just wish that i had something that would be able to run as smoothly as any of my previous tmobile android phones...
anyways i know it's probably asking for alot, but if someone has a solution, please let me know, i tried searching but i didn't come up with much
This would be awesome.
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ok so i bought this phone and it's delightful. I dont get the speeds i would normally get on a native tmobile 4g phone, but most of the time i'm either working or at home so wifi is always available
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however, i've recently moved into a new apartment with my fiance and i only get about 1 bar of reception in my bedroom, and pretty much no bars in my living room and bathroom. Unfortunately, it dosen't appear as though this phone has any native wifi calling, and was wondering if anybody had some sort of resolution for this?
Yes i thought of some of the other apps out there but what i dont like is the fact that i either have to subscribe a new number, or there are advertisements before ringing, or how i have to disable an app when i go out because my data connection isn't as fast as a native tmobile 4g, so im kind of in a bind... i really love the phone and would prefer to keep using it, i just wish that i had something that would be able to run as smoothly as any of my previous tmobile android phones...
anyways i know it's probably asking for alot, but if someone has a solution, please let me know, i tried searching but i didn't come up with much
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I would like to recommend this:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...ch_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5ndm9pcCJd
It will do everything you are wanting, plus you can make calls and save your minuets even if you have service, if your in an area where your data is fast enough. It integrates with the phone well and even uses the built in dialer.
I bought this app back when i got my first tablet that didn't even have cell capabilities and I've used it on various devices since. i think you will find the call quality is excellent.
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ok so i bought this phone and it's delightful. I dont get the speeds i would normally get on a native tmobile 4g phone, but most of the time i'm either working or at home so wifi is always available
however, i've recently moved into a new apartment with my fiance and i only get about 1 bar of reception in my bedroom, and pretty much no bars in my living room and bathroom. Unfortunately, it dosen't appear as though this phone has any native wifi calling, and was wondering if anybody had some sort of resolution for this?
Yes i thought of some of the other apps out there but what i dont like is the fact that i either have to subscribe a new number, or there are advertisements before ringing, or how i have to disable an app when i go out because my data connection isn't as fast as a native tmobile 4g, so im kind of in a bind... i really love the phone and would prefer to keep using it, i just wish that i had something that would be able to run as smoothly as any of my previous tmobile android phones...
anyways i know it's probably asking for alot, but if someone has a solution, please let me know, i tried searching but i didn't come up with much
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Ok, this is like 99% of what i want, i just want people to call my NATIVE phone number to call me when im on wifi.
I dont want to hand out an alternative number, that's my biggest issue at the moment
for example:
if my family is in an accident, and they have my native number listed in their emergency contact, and they try calling, then that could be rather bad...
but yea, if you have any other ideas, i'm all open to it
When you set up your Google Voice number, you put your "native" number in google voice, when someone calls it, your google voice number will ring, the person calling is not aware of your real number... i'll give my google voice number out... 731-412-0080. When you call it, it automatically rings my house and my cellphone and which ever one i pick up on, you will have no clue, all that matters is when you call my google voice number you get me, I have several forwarding filters set up...
You would simply set up your native number calls forward to your Google voice automatically.
So If your native number was 555-121-1234 and I called it, I would be silently fowarded to your GV number and your cell would ring... (google voice it's self is completely free) go here to see: https://www.google.com/voice
tekhnologia said:
Ok, this is like 99% of what i want, i just want people to call my NATIVE phone number to call me when im on wifi.
I dont want to hand out an alternative number, that's my biggest issue at the moment
for example:
if my family is in an accident, and they have my native number listed in their emergency contact, and they try calling, then that could be rather bad...
but yea, if you have any other ideas, i'm all open to it
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i already have google voice but never considered forwarding my tmobile number to it... hmm.. you may have made my day =)
Glad I could help... Google voice + that app oi told you about in my 1st post = awesomeness
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i already have google voice but never considered forwarding my tmobile number to it... hmm.. you may have made my day =)
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I use google voice on that app but the call quality is not decent at all. Ive only used it on wifi and its terrible. Voce gets distored some lag, and even some echoing.
ok so here was my ultimate solution
got the app that was mentioned and also got tasker
i set it so that whenever i would enter my home wireless network exclusively, tasker would make my phone forward calls to my google voice number, which in turn forwarded the calls to my app =)
also set it so that when i leave my network, it would automatically disengage the ipgroove app, so all in all i gotta say it worked out ok, thanks!
I use groove ip
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Yup that's what I recommended I have had it for a year now.
Felinos11 said:
I use groove ip
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if anyone chooses to go this route and there's no wifi calling app in the future, just let me know, it was a wonderful way to get to do what i needed to do, and with the help of tasker, it will auto engage/disengage features, almost as if we did have the native wifi calling feature that the s2 has, but yea, i'd be glad to help anytime =)
Taking up on technologia's offer to help
@tekhnologia: When you are at home connected via wifi, are you forwarding your t-mobile number to your google voice number (perhaps using "conditional call forwarding")?
Otherwise, I think I more or less understand your setup, but a brief list of steps would be awesome!
Thanks for the offer to help.
tekhnologia said:
if anyone chooses to go this route and there's no wifi calling app in the future, just let me know, it was a wonderful way to get to do what i needed to do, and with the help of tasker, it will auto engage/disengage features, almost as if we did have the native wifi calling feature that the s2 has, but yea, i'd be glad to help anytime =)
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If you're using Advanced Calling feature, please share your experience. Like, dislike, what affect it has on other things (if any), etc.
Thank you.
If you are talking about the phone call over WiFi, I had it on for a few calls and thought the quality was not very good so I turned it off.
No, Advanced Calling (AC) is voice over LTE tech. The LG V10 can't do simultaneous voice and data (i.e. using a web search while on a call) unless AC is turned on.
Here's info from Verizon:
Advanced Calling 1.0 for Android Devices FAQs
What is Advanced Calling?
For Apple devices, check out our Advanced Calling 1.0 for Apple devices FAQs.
Advanced Calling 1.0 is a first generation suite of services enabled by VoLTE (Voice over LTE) technology. VoLTE is a new technology platform that delivers voice calls over the 4G LTE network instead of the traditional voice network.
The benefits of Advanced Calling 1.0 include:
HD Voice
1-way or 2-way video calls* (including support for video calls over Wi-Fi)
6-way conference calls
Simultaneous voice and 4G LTE data**
*Note: Not all Advanced Calling 1.0-capable devices support Video Calling.
**Note: Most 4G LTE Android smartphones today already support simultaneous voice and LTE data without Advanced Calling 1.0. However, some newer Advanced Calling 1.0-capable devices such as the Droid Turbo by Motorola do not support simultaneous voice and LTE data unless Advanced Calling 1.0 is activated.
What is HD Voice?
HD Voice delivers clearer, natural-sounding audio when both parties are using HD Voice-enabled phones that are connected to our 4G LTE network.
HD Voice is included in your existing voice plan at no additional charge, but must be added to your account in My Verizon. HD Voice calls are billed as standard voice minutes, according to your plan.
What is Video Calling?
Video Calling is a feature that lets you make an HD Voice call combined with real-time video.
Making video calls is as simple and easy as making traditional voice calls. If the person you're calling can accept a video call, you'll see a Camera icon. You can then select that icon to upgrade to a video call. There's no need to download an app or set up a new user ID to place a video call.
Notes:
Video Calling requires a Video Calling-enabled phone.
When connected to Verizon's 4G LTE network and known Wi-Fi access points, video calls will automatically hand off to Wi-Fi.
What is simultaneous voice and LTE data?
Simultaneous voice and 4G LTE data allows customers connected to Verizon's 4G LTE network to surf the web, continue a download, use an application, or use a feature like Mobile Hotspot while talking on a call.
Who's eligible for Advanced Calling 1.0?
To be eligible for Advanced Calling 1.0, you need to meet all of the following requirements:
Be on a standard monthly plan*
Have an HD Voice-capable phone
Note: If you have any features that are incompatible with Advanced Calling 1.0, you'll need to remove them when you add the HD Voice feature to your account.
* Prepaid accounts aren't eligible for Advanced Calling 1.0 at this time.
Which devices support Advanced Calling 1.0?
You can view our current list of phones compatible with Advanced Calling 1.0 online. This list will grow over time.
How much does Advanced Calling 1.0 cost?
Advanced Calling 1.0 is available at no additional charge, and HD Voice is included in existing plans.
HD Voice calls are billed as standard voice calls according to your plan. No data charges apply.
Mobile-to-Mobile calls that happen to be HD Voice calls are charged just like traditional Mobile-to-Mobile calls and are billed against your monthly minute allowance according to your plan.
A video call is an HD Voice call combined with real-time video. The voice portion is billed as a standard voice call, according to your plan. The video portion is billed as data, according to your data plan. No data charges apply to video calls transmitted over Wi-Fi.
Note: An average 1-minute video call uses about 6 - 8 MB of data. The actual data consumption of your video call may vary. You can estimate your data usage using our online Data Usage Calculator.
I use it all the time. I would not get a phone that I could not talk on and use the internet simultaneously. I don't have any issues with voice quality.
AndroidCraig said:
I use it all the time. I would not get a phone that I could not talk on and use the internet simultaneously. I don't have any issues with voice quality.
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Great, thank you!
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If you're using Advanced Calling feature, please share your experience. Like, dislike, what affect it has on other things (if any), etc.
Thank you.
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For me, I felt the call audio was a little soft/tinny (not sure how to describe it) and thought it odd that the call audio on a phone like this wasn't better so I thought I'd give it a try and activated it late last week. At first, I wasn't sure I could tell a difference but then noticed that the clarity of the audio on phone calls seems to be improved - i.e. instead of the call sounding distant/tinny, it seemed to "feel" closer, with better audio clarity.
Maybe it's a placebo affect but I can say I'm happier with the call quality after activating it. Plus, what can it hurt...it's a feature Verizon is offering for free!
When I use advance calling for some reason on BT the names aren't displayed on my vehicle screen, only the phone number shows up. If I turn it off it will display the name of the call coming in or going out. Anyone else have this happen?
My family won't talk to me with it on. They sound great to me but I sound like I am in a tunnel.
But with it off no data while in a call.
This is might be a deal killer with this phone...
I rarely had dropped calls until using AC. Coupled with weird sound quality, I call it At&t Calling. ?
Couple observations
-I maybe incorrect on this, but I believe that in order for voLTE to actually work, BOTH parties in a call need to have it - service availability and a compatible phone. So I'm not sure whether most people weighing in actually know for certain if they've actually had a VOLTE call or not.
- In a post elsewhere another user blamed voLTE for increasing battery drain rate. Certainly seems plausible, but if true, that would be truly unfortunate because apparently disabling it prevents simultaneous data and voice - an issue I've never had to deal with before.
- this might not be relevant to many, but I was pulling my hair out trying to determine why my location-based profile app (Llama) as well as similar apps that use cell tower polling to determine location at low battery cost, were not able to read any cell tower IDs - until I disabled Advanced Calling and then low and behold they worked again.
I'm dubious of AC at this point, and curious to hear more people's experience.
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I came from the G3 which allowed simultaneous voice and data but never really used it. What I think is that we should AT MINIMUM be able to use Maps and be on a call without losing out directions as now Maps directions stop if you get a call. I really don't think GPS directions should be using data anyway. I will not be enabling AC until it works with Ring Back Tones or it is something that I can't avoid.
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I use it, but so far the only person I've been able to talk to using HD voice is my girlfriend and that's only because I activated it on her phone. It sounds a lot different, but it's hard to explain what it's like. It's almost like you're talking to someone right next to you, but your in a glass box. There's this weird difference that I can't put my finger on what it is exactly but it seems the sound of emptiness is clearer in the background.
Quick update, it's awful if you don't have a decent data connection. We were talking while she was in the gym and it sounded so bad. She would cut out randomly, or sound way softer than normal and I couldn't understand anything. It's OK at best, but I think I prefer traditional calling.
I am suspicious of it causing my voice to echo. It doesn't always happen but since I've left it on for a while, I've heard my own voice very frequently. The other party, who probably isn't using AC has never commented on an echo and I assume they're not hearing it.
I have it activated on my phone as well as my wife's; i've only talked to her using AC. It sounds very much like talking to someone over Skype, Hangouts, etc. Sometimes it seems very clear and easier to hear the other person, then other times it will "pixelate" the sound, which is also something that most people that have used Skype, etc have experiences. I've never had any voice echoing though. I would never pay for this feature, but it is the only way we can use data and voice simultaneously.
It was also needlessly difficult to enable this feature on my wifes G4. I was able to activate it on my V10 no prob, but could not do it on the G4. Finally called VZW and after 10 minutes with an L2 support guy it was enabled. Something was messed up on their end.
I'm unable to activate it on my phone. My 'Advanced Calling' screen just says "upgrade service to..." but I activated it online in my Verizon account 8 hours and about 3 reboots ago. Any ideas?
I can't believe a device in 2015 is incapable of simultaneous voice and data. Verizon forcing this single antenna path on us is pretty ridiculous. I use tethering a lot and I also look things up for my parents while talking to them. Are these use cases really that rare that no one complains?
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I'm unable to activate it on my phone. My 'Advanced Calling' screen just says "upgrade service to..." but I activated it online in my Verizon account 8 hours and about 3 reboots ago. Any ideas?
I can't believe a device in 2015 is incapable of simultaneous voice and data. Verizon forcing this single antenna path on us is pretty ridiculous. I use tethering a lot and I also look things up for my parents while talking to them. Are these use cases really that rare that no one complains?
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Ok this happened to me and what the problem was my advanced calling got corrupt and Verizon on there end had to remove my advanced calling and add it back to my account and then I restarted and all my options displayed right
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ornwilson said:
I'm unable to activate it on my phone. My 'Advanced Calling' screen just says "upgrade service to..." but I activated it online in my Verizon account 8 hours and about 3 reboots ago. Any ideas?
I can't believe a device in 2015 is incapable of simultaneous voice and data. Verizon forcing this single antenna path on us is pretty ridiculous. I use tethering a lot and I also look things up for my parents while talking to them. Are these use cases really that rare that no one complains?
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Honestly, no they are not that rare. I've used data while talking on my note 3 and LG G3. This makes me want to sell the lg v10. That's excluding the fact I can't get txts after root working and no I don't want to use HD calling and it's not on my plan.
Ok guys I got a question!! I rooted my v10 on 5.1.1 and had my A/C calling on when I flashed the upgrade root package. phone started to get a bit buggie after awhile so I did a factory reset lost my A/C so I unrooted and try to reactivate it was a no go. I disabled it from my line then tried again and again and again. Did this for about 3 hours finally call Verizon they tried to help but there useless considering there reading from a script. So now I'm back to root with no A/C. I really like my A/C and they want me to update to 6.0 and I'm not giving up root no way in hell am I doing that does anyone know of a work around. I got a new SIM card coming in from Verizon hoping that may fix it. Any and all help is very much appreciated!!
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