I was a G1 user forever... And I remember there being talk of making the G1 able to utilize the HSPA network... so does that mean it is possible for any phone utilize it? or.... ??? I am kinda confuised... maybe it can utilize it... but not be able to utilize the maximum HSPA+ speeds....
It's hardware. Don't you think every phone would have HSPA+?
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I was a G1 user forever... And I remember there being talk of making the G1 able to utilize the HSPA network... so does that mean it is possible for any phone utilize it? or.... ??? I am kinda confuised... maybe it can utilize it... but not be able to utilize the maximum HSPA+ speeds....
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Yeah, you heard right. pretty much all the newer tmo smart phones will be getting a boost, but they will not be getting the full speed unless they have the hardware. So, you will get the full 3G speed and depending on your reception, you might go a little faster. Almost like a speed boost. To take advantage of the full 4g or HSPA+ you will need the hardware.
I heard there isn't a HUGE difference as of yet between the normal HSPA and HSPA+ hardware in terms of speed. I was in LA two months ago and I was getting 4.5 megs down with my Nexus One which isn't HSPA+.
Maybe later on down the line when HSPA+ is full rolled out across the country and they bump the speeds up even more then at that point having the HSPA+ hardware will make a difference but I don't see that happening for a while.
In the meantime, here's to hoping we all get covered by the network soon!
i live in So Cal with normal 3g now. a few months ago when i had mt3g, I Went to an area where they had to new network. it was MUCH faster. and this was with mt3g
"The Vibrant will have HSPA+ when the Froyo update comes out. T-mobile Is dropping it this month. So really soon." was searching for that same question of the vibrant getting some sort of update that would allow the hardware to decode the data packages, its the same thing like the g1. when the towers updated to hspa+ from regular hspa it was only a software upgrade what makes anyone think that these new powerful phone wont be able to get a software upgrade also? so the answer is more to yes than no. and to "It's hardware. Don't you think every phone would have HSPA+?" why dont you think about that for a little. g1 did it so can this & yes the original galaxy s has hspa+ hardware but i think it was disabled in the us version until we would need it since it would use more power just being left on without it being used. also rumor is that the hummingbird chip is running at 1.2 gighertz in the i9000 so i overclocked my virbrant at 1.2 gighertz & its running with no problems! also we might need those extra 200 hertz to keep things running normal if we get the hspa+ upgrade im pretty sure it will need it.
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nothin is confirm yet but just for kicks!
For all the verizon and sprint users! Would you still buy this phone, if no LTE or WIMAX?
Since they want to keep the Form-factor of the original SGS2
The poll excludes Tmobile and ATT user, since im sure theres 4g for them.
Yes
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Definitely, I'd rather have HSDPA+ and good battery life than LTE and terrible battery life.
I would much rather have Verizon's LTE (if this phone comes out in time before they kill the unlimited data plans in the summer) but I will still buy the T-Mobile version with 21 Mbps HSPA+. However I refuse to buy AT&T (no unlimited data, no free tethering) or Sprint (service and speeds are terrible in my area and in buildings even in NYC).
Yeah. LTE is expensive and not available in my area.
Probably not, as I'm in an LTE area.
With VzW's aggressive LTE rollout plan, I think it's going to be problematical for them to sell high-end phones not capable of supporting it. Those phones will have a very short shelf life and fail miserably in VzW's largest markets.
i'll prefer 3G+4G it's more universal than WiMax technology
No LTE = no thank you. The Verizon version better have LTE, or I'm guaranteed to be waiting for HTC's flagship dual-core LTE product.
3G has always been enough for me, and I'm sure that once 4G starts to become a more natural and everyday thing, if I ever go back to 3G I'll be like "Damn this is slow". But as of now the 3G is enough for me and it has HSPA+ or whatever the **** is, which is not 4G, but a faster 3G, and AT&T has that.
Also, I have been on AT&T for not even a year yet(before then I had T-Mobile for a long while) but I was lucky enough to get onto it just a while before they stopped the unlimited data plan, and so now I am grandfathered into it. So anyone just now looking to join AT&T, I'd see why you don't want to, but for me it's great. (This part was kinda directed to the guy who said he wouldn't buy AT&T.)
Anyways my point is this is one of the fastest and thinnest and best smartphones so far and probably for the year. There are some other phones that can compete, but this definitely kills anything I've seen. Just look at that flash performance! Straight in the browser, watch a video, or whatever, no lag. I could really care less when it comes out, as I have to wait till June anyways for my 1 year upgrade(which I hope is not too expensive, since AT&T seemed to raise the price on that) but if it's not out by June that's okay with me too because I know it will come soon afterwards and I can be one of the first to get it!
But guys the S2 with LTE has a 1.5 Ghz Dual-Core processor. Reason for this is due to the addition of the LTE, so If you are not going to use LTE then wouldn't that mean you get 1.5 Ghz for your apps processing requirements ?
Wouldn't it be better to get the 1.5 Ghz version rather than 1.2 Ghz version ?
Refer: http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/26/samsung-announces-galaxy-s-ii-lte-and-galaxy-s-ii-hd-lte-handset/
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But guys the S2 with LTE has a 1.5 Ghz Dual-Core processor. Reason for this is due to the addition of the LTE, so If you are not going to use LTE then wouldn't that mean you get 1.5 Ghz for your apps processing requirements ?
Wouldn't it be better to get the 1.5 Ghz version rather than 1.2 Ghz version ?
Refer: http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/26/samsung-announces-galaxy-s-ii-lte-and-galaxy-s-ii-hd-lte-handset/
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I don't think they'd be the same processor due to the higher data speed.
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I don't think they'd be the same processor due to the higher data speed.
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Yes that's what I meant, so don't you think we will be able to use all the 1.5Ghz goodness .(Under the condition we are not using the LTE at the time). for our apps ?
So my main reason for getting aVibrant cause I heard toy can get up to 10mb data speeds on tmobiles network but I have yet to see that. The most I have seen is about 5.5mb. How can I get it faster? I know it may depends on rom and modem. I have axura 2.3.1.3 with kb1 modem. If you have better speeds can you tel l me what you are using?
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So my main reason for getting aVibrant cause I heard toy can get up to 10mb data speeds on tmobiles network but I have yet to see that. The most I have seen is about 5.5mb. How can I get it faster? I know it may depends on rom and modem. I have axura 2.3.1.3 with kb1 modem. If you have better speeds can you tel l me what you are using?
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The radio in the Vibrant isn't capable of anything more then 7.2mbps. You must be thinking of the Galaxy S 4G, because that's the phone that's capable of 21mbps.
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The radio in the Vibrant isn't capable of anything more then 7.2mbps. You must be thinking of the Galaxy S 4G, because that's the phone that's capable of 21mbps.
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Shenanigans... I guess not that it matters but yes the 3G is capable. Planned obsolesce is the reason we are limited to 7.2M. I believe we probably could move at 14.4 and based on what I gather theoretically there's nothing holding us back from the 42M thats coming at the end of the year other than the greed and dishonesty.
This is proved by even getting close to 7.2M. I've gotten peak of 7 myself. A 21M handset however comes no where close to 21M, 15-16M maybe (and a big maybe at that). The 14.4 G2 and MyTouch 4G on a good day (just like the Vibrant) can come to 13-14M.
I'm in Orlando Florida. We get HSDA+ Now all we need is someone smarter than me to prove it so that either T-Mobile will flip the switch or give us our money back because I was told just like a lot of you other Early adopters that this phone was capable of the higher 4G speeds "when they became available".
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Shenanigans... I guess not that it matters but yes the 3G is capable. Planned obsolesce is the reason we are limited to 7.2M. I believe we probably could move at 14.4 and based on what I gather theoretically there's nothing holding us back from the 42M thats coming at the end of the year other than the greed and dishonesty.
This is proved by even getting close to 7.2M. I've gotten peak of 7 myself. A 21M handset however comes no where close to 21M, 15-16M maybe (and a big maybe at that). The 14.4 G2 and MyTouch 4G on a good day (just like the Vibrant) can come to 13-14M.
I'm in Orlando Florida. We get HSDA+ Now all we need is someone smarter than me to prove it so that either T-Mobile will flip the switch or give us our money back because I was told just like a lot of you other Early adopters that this phone was capable of the higher 4G speeds "when they became available".
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Hahahahahahahahahaha
Oh that was a good post. For a second I thought that you really believed what you posted. But that last bit made it obvious that you can't be serious.
Multiple technical support reps have told me over the phone that Atrix will do LTE (att flavor I guess). Yet I everything I've read contradicts this. Rumor is att will begin launching lte in certain areas june/july. Can anyone offer some clarifications reflgarding the Atrix radio capabilities?
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Multiple technical support reps have told me over the phone that Atrix will do LTE (att flavor I guess). Yet I everything I've read contradicts this. Rumor is att will begin launching lte in certain areas june/july. Can anyone offer some clarifications reflgarding the Atrix radio capabilities?
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They told me the same thing! when i bought the phone i specifically asked them and they said yes
forget it, they meant hspa+, this phone doesn't have a lte radio, no matter who says anything
HSPA can do up too 14.4mps and thats why they care calling it 4g even though 4g originally was data service of 100mb or better. The Atrix like stated above DOES NOT have the LTE radio no madder what ATT tells you.
Im not even on true HSPA in my area but I do know one thing, ever since the update that unlocked the upload I have seen 6mb down and 1.2mb up. I almost always see between 3-5mb now and I'm not even in a 4g area.
The good thing about HSPA is it uses the same 3g towers and technology so battery is not affected. I guess the verizon guys on LTE are seeing very horrible battery life compared to running 3g. Thats why those Thunderbolts get such bad battery life. We get faster speeds without hurting the battery.
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HSPA can do up too 14.4mps and thats why they care calling it 4g even though 4g originally was data service of 100mb or better. The Atrix like stated above DOES NOT have the LTE radio no madder what ATT tells you.
Im not even on true HSPA in my area but I do know one thing, ever since the update that unlocked the upload I have seen 6mb down and 1.2mb up. I almost always see between 3-5mb now and I'm not even in a 4g area.
The good thing about HSPA is it uses the same 3g towers and technology so battery is not affected. I guess the verizon guys on LTE are seeing very horrible battery life compared to running 3g. Thats why those Thunderbolts get such bad battery life. We get faster speeds without hurting the battery.
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There are multiple versions of HSPA - the Atrix can do 14.4 mbps on download, but other phones can do 7.2 or 21 or even 42 mbps. The Atrix will not support LTE ever. It does not have an LTE modem and is not upgradeable to one. ifixit's teardown showed that the Atrix has a Qualcomm MDM6200, which is not an LTE modem (http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releas...ls-new-roadmap-gobi-connectivity-technologies).
The best download speeds i've found in my area are about 7.1 down. Pretty darn good....not consistent at all though.
It also seems like att is coaching employees to tell customers that the Atrix will do LTE.
Im starting to wonder if they are going to market their hspa+ as a synonym for LTE.
Thanks for the responses and the link. Pretty clear att is continuing to lie about the subject.
If any of you are curious I encourage you to call ATT tech support and ask them about LTE and the Atrix. Post your responses here.
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Lets be realistic about this:
HSPA and LTE aren't that far apart from each other in the current state. Theoretically speaking, HSPA should be VERY close to LTE speeds once they fully roll out. HSPA is "4G" like whenever that will be fully rolled out to everyone. I'm sure there are a ton of you that are going to give out all of these statistics and what not to disprove me. The fact is, those numbers are all in "theory" and the fact of the matter is that we will never see those speeds....EVER, unless you live next to a cell tower.
I personally think that if we get 14mb speeds, we're damn good. The point is do we really need all of that speed?...not really...it's not that big of a deal. The phone is pretty bomb, the features are amazing.
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It also seems like att is coaching employees to tell customers that the Atrix will do LTE.
Thanks for the responses and the link. Pretty clear att is continuing to lie about the subject.
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I really don't think they are training their employees to say the phone is LTE capable. AT&T knows what the phone can and cannot do (its even printed on the box)
It sounds like you've just spoken with people who either didn't get all the facts or don't know the difference... not everybody is nerdy like us on all this HSPA+ LTE stuff
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AT&T says that they will be launching true LTE in select markets in about a weak. I was just curious whether or not our data speeds will increase as well? I know that we have a theoretical high of 14mbs. I hope that there is some chance of this. I hate that we have a phone that seems to be able to only go at one third of its max speed. Thanks in advance for anyone's input.
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AT&T says that they will be launching true LTE in select markets in about a weak. I was just curious whether or not our data speeds will increase as well? I know that we have a theoretical high of 14mbs. I hope that there is some chance of this. I hate that we have a phone that seems to be able to only go at one third of its max speed. Thanks in advance for anyone's input.
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No, because the Atrix is not an LTE phone.
It might improve if AT&T's network were overly saturated and, with the roll out of LTE, they enhanced their internal network with faster links. But I certainly wouldn't expect miracles.
Ahh what a shame. So we will never get the full data speeds our phones are truly capable of.
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Ahh what a shame. So we will never get the full data speeds our phones are truly capable of.
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That's just it, our phones aren't capable of it. Just b/c they stuck 4G in it doesn't make it so. More like 3 1/2 G capable.
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That's just it, our phones aren't capable of it. Just b/c they stuck 4G in it doesn't make it so. More like 3 1/2 G capable.
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3gs capable. x_X
I have questioned "tech support" reps on the phone about this. They falsely claim that ATRIX will do lte. However the ethereal "backhaul" and broadband upgrades may have the switch flipped. So I think we may see some network improvements in some areas as they upgrade existing towers and deploy new technology.
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They'd have to add backhaul to enable LTE too, as previously mentioned which means more FauxG in more areas. One could argue that lighter hspa congestion would allow us to get closer to our theoretical limit, however for that to happen we would have to see a significant portion of AT&T s subscribers change to LTE and you would only enjoy that bump in areas serviced by AT&T.
So if you sat in a two year time capsule...yes, you would see higher rates, though they still wouldn't be anywhere as fast as LTE.
I have an i9100 right now and run data on the non-smartphone unlimited plan. I've only had the i9100 since October, but I'm thinking of eBay'ing it and getting the S3.
My question is, would I be better served to wait for the AT&T version so I could get LTE or just get the i9300, live with slower non-wifi speeds and enjoy a new, unlocked, unfettered phone?
AT&T prevented the One X from unlocking their bootloader; to me, that already says enough.
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I have an i9100 right now and run data on the non-smartphone unlimited plan. I've only had the i9100 since October, but I'm thinking of eBay'ing it and getting the S3.
My question is, would I be better served to wait for the AT&T version so I could get LTE or just get the i9300, live with slower non-wifi speeds and enjoy a new, unlocked, unfettered phone?
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LTE is awesome, i have the skyrocket and Galaxy Note LTE versions. and they are super fast on the network, but i am bypassing the LTE and going the international SGS3 because i know that At&t is going to butcher this device stateside. not that it wont be fast.....but i want something un tainted by them......at least till the NOTE2 comes out, then i will all over that LTE phone....lol
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I have an i9100 right now and run data on the non-smartphone unlimited plan. I've only had the i9100 since October, but I'm thinking of eBay'ing it and getting the S3.
My question is, would I be better served to wait for the AT&T version so I could get LTE or just get the i9300, live with slower non-wifi speeds and enjoy a new, unlocked, unfettered phone?
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LTE is great! But you need to weigh it against the cost of having it.
In no short order, to obtain LTE on AT&T, you must:
Give up the incredible Exynos quad.
Deal with ATT bloat.
Deal with ATT hard-branding.
Deal with ATT redesign (likely losing the physical home button).
Deal with ATT kernels/firmware and potentially locked down components.
Have less dev support (international versions always attract more devs-- myself included).
Be locked into using only ATT (or paying for a SIM unlock code).
Deal with (usually much) slower official OS updates and patches.
Know that you're "in the system" at ATT because they have your IMEI.
Deal with having no idea when the device is actually going to be released.
I'm sure I missed some.
So, how badly do you really want a faster cell connection?
Hopefully that helps you.
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AT&T prevented the One X from unlocking their bootloader; to me, that already says enough.
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Couldn't agree more.
Plexicle said:
LTE is great! But you need to weigh it against the cost of having it.
In no short order, to obtain LTE on AT&T, you must:
Give up the incredible Exynos quad.
Deal with ATT bloat.
Deal with ATT hard-branding.
Deal with ATT redesign (likely losing the physical home button).
Deal with ATT kernels/firmware and potentially locked down components.
Have less dev support (international versions always attract more devs-- myself included).
Be locked into using only ATT (or paying for a SIM unlock code).
Deal with (usually much) slower official OS updates and patches.
Know that you're "in the system" at ATT because they have your IMEI.
Deal with having no idea when the device is actually going to be released.
I'm sure I missed some.
So, how badly do you really want a faster cell connection?
Hopefully that helps you.
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Great points, makes me feel even better about importing the S3 esp since this will be my first time doing so.
Also, a few have mentioned you can downgrade your data plan to medianet and save $ since the Int. S3's IMEI won't be in the ATT database & it's not considered a "smart" phone.
I will be happy to have the "home" button back since using my ATT Note that lacks it.
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Great points, makes me feel even better about importing the S3 esp since this will be my first time doing so.
Also, a few have mentioned you can downgrade your data plan to medianet and save $ since the Int. S3's IMEI won't be in the ATT database & it's not considered a "smart" phone.
I will be happy to have the "home" button back since using my ATT Note that lacks it.
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If you go with that media net plan do you still get 3G speed - Hspa speed ? Or what ?
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If you go with that media net plan do you still get 3G speed - Hspa speed ? Or what ?
Sent from my GALAXY.
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Yes, and yes HSPA+ which is being called 4G but is not LTE. Have LTE on my Note and while it's fast it sucks the life out of a battery. Will not give up quad core just to be on a LTE Bloated devices.
I usually get 1 or 2 down and right around 1 up which is more than fast enought to stream videos, internet works great, etc. Not that it matters to me anyways because my LTE connection speed is zero, there is no LTE in my area and it appears it is still several years away. Makes it a no brainer really... lol
Once you go LTE its kinda hard to go back to HSPA+
if you have wifi constantly its a no brainer.
Able to surf the web and stream HD videos on the road is very satisfying.
that's why Im so torn if i should get the unlock or wait for the LTE version.
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Once you go LTE its kinda hard to go back to HSPA+
if you have wifi constantly its a no brainer.
Able to surf the web and stream HD videos on the road is very satisfying.
that's why Im so torn if i should get the unlock or wait for the LTE version.
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I can Stream HD video on my HSPA+
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Yes, and yes HSPA+ which is being called 4G but is not LTE.
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Also, if you want to go there, LTE is not true 4G either.
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Once you go LTE its kinda hard to go back to HSPA+
if you have wifi constantly its a no brainer.
Able to surf the web and stream HD videos on the road is very satisfying.
that's why Im so torn if i should get the unlock or wait for the LTE version.
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I disagree, personally. I had my Note LTE for a few months that I just sold last week and have since been using the HSPA+ Atrix until the S3 is released. The LTE was great, mind you, and sometimes I had speeds up to ~50 down. Honestly though, the HSPA+ speeds I'm getting now are noticeably slower, but only when I'm actually downloading something. Really, that's usually only podcasts and app updates anymore, and the speed difference in the end usually nets to an extra ~10-15 seconds of waiting. I have zero issues streaming HD video and music to my phone with HSPA+, so the LTE would literally do nothing for me in that case (except for perhaps consuming more battery).
With data caps, it's even less of an issue. You wouldn't want to be downloading any large files over the cell network in either case, so you'll end up on WiFi for that stuff whether you're LTE-equipped or not.
Furthermore, the LTE radios right now are so power-hungry that I wasn't very comfortable using it on my Note. You actually use a lot less power with your WiFi radio ON.
Put that all together and weigh it against the benefits of importing the international variant. For me personally, that's the "no-brainer."
To me its not for a couple reason, 1.) We dont have LTE where I live 2.) Only time I use data is to send picture/video messages otherwise I'm always wireless. Also agree with everyone else on the ATT front, they really do ugly the thing up. I'd also rather have a quad-core than LTE. I'm a hardware over network guy.
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OK
Hspa+ is 3.5G
LTE is 3.99g
All good now?
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Hspa+ is 3.5G
LTE is 3.99g
All good now?
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Err, it's hardly 3.99G when 4G mandates 1Gbps and LTE can still fall into the "single digit Mbps".
Well were I live LTE is about 8mbs up/down on AT&T and H+ is 3-5mbs down and 1 up so no big deal for me. That non RGB 720p screen is, but I am still thinking about it.
I was on ATT before with 3G before, but not LTE and I haven't looked at their plan for a while. Can someone explain to me:
When you sign up for their LTE plan, do you get 3G also or no?
If no, can you also buy 3G and how much more is it?
If you can't have 3G free with LTE I think its not so good, especially if you are not living in a well coverage area, which 3G still has a wider coverage.
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I was on ATT before with 3G before, but not LTE and I haven't looked at their plan for a while. Can someone explain to me:
When you sign up for their LTE plan, do you get 3G also or no?
If no, can you also buy 3G?
If you can't have 3G free with LTE I think its not so good, especially if you are not living in a well coverage area, which 3G still has a wider coverage.
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your phone will toggle between 4gLTE -4G-3g-and Edge. but 85 percent of the time my Note is on LTE.
if your area has LTE why would WANT to buy 3g as well......lol
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your phone will toggle between 4gLTE -4G-3g-and Edge. but 85 percent of the time my Note is on LTE.
if your area has LTE why would WANT to buy 3g as well......lol
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Thats my point, what if you have an LTE phone and your area don't have LTE, or you go out of town to an area without LTE, and you have no 3G plan. You'll be stuck with 2G.