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Is the GTAB dead (or more so the Android)? The development of new ROM's have slowed and the long wait for video drivers and the release of more code so we can run HoneyComb one has to wonder. The very thing that makes Android product so great begs the question to be asked. It makes one wonder why a supposed open source code appears to be the held from it's users. The day of Android may have peaked too early with the stagnation of it's OS and failed promises. I have never been an Apple fan, but they do work and well. It has made me wonder if it is time for a change.
I don't think its Google withholding the source. It is the manufacturer of the product/device that dictates how long their product/device will be supported. Viewsonic would need to work on getting it working or ported to the G-Tablet and release the drivers etc needed to for devs here to work or create custom roms. So far the only way to do it is to build it from scratch.
I don't know much about development, so I apologize if I am incorrect as to the process steps. Don't give in to Apple though. All of their stuff is overpriced crap that gets replaced the next year or less than a year later, then they expect you to pay for the newer product to get their newer features. They haven't even released a 4G device or try to rework with Adobe for flash support. If you look at Android devices, popular manufacturers try to emphasize on releasing hardware that is ahead of its time, they won't make your device obsolete by the end of the year.
Afaik development is still going. This thread keeps updates with the status on having a properly working honeycomb kernel. last updated a few days ago.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1231577
And the Flashback team has Froyo, Gingerbread and Honeycomb roms that they update regularly, Caulkin/Clemsyn updated their rom to v7, and there is Cyanogenmod for GTab, so no, not dead.
I am running Flashback 9 (released last night), while eagerly awaiting the GTab Kerneldev team to finish their port of the 2.6.36 kernel so native Honeycomb 3.2 should run.
Plus if Google holds true to their words, Ice Cream Sandwich source should be released about a month after the Galaxy Nexus, and I imagine Cyanogenmod will shift to that.
There's a heck of a lot more going on for the GTab than for the stupid HP Touchpad I bought for $149 (I got 32mb version), although Cyanogen team says it'll be out for Touchpad in a few weeks...
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astevens54 said:
Is the GTAB dead (or more so the Android)? The development of new ROM's have slowed and the long wait for video drivers and the release of more code so we can run HoneyComb one has to wonder. The very thing that makes Android product so great begs the question to be asked. It makes one wonder why a supposed open source code appears to be the held from it's users. The day of Android may have peaked too early with the stagnation of it's OS and failed promises. I have never been an Apple fan, but they do work and well. It has made me wonder if it is time for a change.
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Excuse me for asking, but what in the world is a person doing on the XDA developers forum talking about development being stalled? And, to make it even worse, why would you go in the direction of the most locked up system in history?
If you are unhappy with the speed of development, then get going and do it! And, if you want the simplicity of a toaster and only want to make toast, then, by all means buy an apple product.
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Excuse me for asking, but what in the world is a person doing on the XDA developers forum talking about development being stalled? And, to make it even worse, why would you go in the direction of the most locked up system in history?
If you are unhappy with the speed of development, then get going and do it! And, if you want the simplicity of a toaster and only want to make toast, then, by all means buy an apple product.
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Dude chill out, it was just a question. This is a forum is it not? Open for discussion. I appreciate all that the DEV's are doing.
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And, if you want the simplicity of a toaster and only want to make toast, then, by all means buy an apple product.
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Rofl, no RIP to Mr Jobs?
As far as I know Honeycomb source was not released by Google because they knew it was not ready (unstable). I read that statement somwhere. That's the reason we now have ICS (well, almost have)
Cheers!
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Just when I think the same, a slew of new roms/updates emerge. Of course as new tabs are released, work on the old ones start to diminish.
I just loaded the lastest beasty rom and it's great. Tried several HC roms and like the layout, but too many issues to date.
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And, if you want the simplicity of a toaster and only want to make toast, then, by all means buy an apple product.
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It's fanboy answers like that, which do nothing for the Android argument.
Let's not be ignorant here, Apple makes great products and their software/development is tight.
But anyway, let's stay on topic. Like everyone else said, the G Tablet is far from dead. I just started using C+C this weekend and its amazingly fast! It has breathed new life into my G Tablet , especially with Skype working.
Check this article out: LINK this is exactly what I was trying to talk about... it's not necessarily my option, but the way a lot of people are feeling.
That's the way a pseudo tech journalist who is a closet Apple fan feels about a buzzword using data that's out of date.
Here's a counter.
http://www.androidcentral.com/dear-molly-rants-lets-talk-about-android-fragmentation
Hmm, I wonder if our complaints have registered with Motorola? As of today (after I filed a BBB complaint on Motorola in regards to ICS and unlocked bootloaders), Motorola just tweeted about updates for ICS on Motorola devices.
For the Droid X2, the upgrade status overall has gone from "updated to 2.3.4" to "In Evaluation & Planning. Further details to follow."
Still doesn't mean we get ICS, but it sure is strange that a day after I sent them a tactful but seething email about their lack of updates for the X2, this happens a day later. Probably just coincidence, but maybe not?
Here's the link to the ICS update:
http://www.motorola.com/blog/2012/02/15/update-motorola-ice-cream-sandwich-news/
Here's the list of phones getting ICS by the 3rd quarter of 2012:
DROID BIONIC
DROID RAZR
DROID RAZR MAXX
MOTOROLA RAZR
DROID 4
PHOTON 4G
MOTOROLA ATRIX 4G (AT&T)
ATRIX 2
ELECTRIFY
Droid X2 is not on this list. However, in the following list, you can see where the current status of the X2 has it under evaluation rather than not being evaluated:
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
if we get ics that means that cm9 could properly be built on top of the kernel and wed finally be able to properly take on our second core (even though cm7, i believe already takes control of it).
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if we get ics that means that cm9 could properly be built on top of the kernel and wed finally be able to properly take on our second core (even though cm7, i believe already takes control of it).
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But, don't hold your breath yet. Right now, with the X2, they are evaluating whether or not it's worth upgrading to ICS. I would NOT be surprised if they come back and say it's not worth it.
But, I guess this is better than not saying anything at all and I understand they have to look over all the other phones and decide whether or not they are worth upgrading to ICS or not based on performance, developer support/knowledge, etc.
I think the only way we will see ICS is if Dragonzkiller gets it ported or another great dev. I do not expect motorola to unlock bootloader or give the x2 ICS. By the time they get around to it the device will be outdated. Another good reason to never buy motorola again!
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There's no way they would have responded your complaint so quickly, but it certainly wont hurt any. I appreciate the determination you've shown, along with that of the thousands of angered customers online. Maybe our voices have finally fallen on understanding ears.
Honestly if they've found it worth their time to update their website and tell us they're considering it, I think we can consider it a strong possibility. It sounds like something a corporation would do to increase the lifespan of a nigh abandoned device.
It's on the list in the same way as it's on the other list as far as I can see.
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There's no way they would have responded your complaint so quickly, but it certainly wont hurt any. I appreciate the determination you've shown, along with that of the thousands of angered customers online. Maybe our voices have finally fallen on understanding ears.
Honestly if they've found it worth their time to update their website and tell us they're considering it, I think we can consider it a strong possibility. It sounds like something a corporation would do to increase the lifespan of a nigh abandoned device.
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Yeah, I knew that, but hey, it's nice to dream once in a while, no? I was hoping maybe my "threat" to go to the BBB in my email yesterday might have had some residual effect? Probably not, but at least, they'd updated the page which has been stale for a long time.
In any case, I still haven't heard back from Moto yet on my latest complaint, but I did warn them I was going to file a complaint with the BBB and I went through with my word and now, the BBB is forwarding my complaint to Motorola.
I would suggest that everyone do the same. It's free and it makes your voices heard, hopefully.
iBolski: Your emails embody my and probably countless others' sentiments. I just thought sending an email myself would just fall on deaf ears. But your BBB idea I think is great. From what I understand, the BBB member (Motorala) MUST respond to all complaints, else their rating gets damaged by "unresolved complaints". Resolving those complaints takes time and money from Motorola, maybe they'll eventually decide that time and money would be better spent satisfying their customers (Unlocked bootloader and ICS). Thanks for your diligence.
One thing I do want to state is, I understand how difficult it is to upgrade existing devices to a completely new OS. I deal with software upgrades at my job as a developer at a major utility company. We have to deal with not only software/OS upgrades, but federal regulatory changes that come up at the last minute and they only give us a few months some times to get those changes implemented or risk being fined during an audit.
So, I completely understand that Motorola has to go into research and planning mode. It's part of the software development life cycle (SDLC) because you can't just go into it and decide to upgrade it.
In our case where I work, we have a ton of VB6 legacy apps that haven't been rewritten in 10+ years, only patched to handle new regulations. Now, we are having to upgrade to Windows 7 because the company held off and stuck with XP, even though many of us were warning them this wasn't a good idea.
Some of the VB6 apps aren't behaving nicely in Windows 7 32-bit and if we wanted to go to 64-bit, VB6 apps won't run at all or run sporadically.
In the case of the Droids, I understand ICS may not run on every platform, so I can see why the X2 might have a longer wait. So, I commend Motorola on updating the information on ICS for the X2 on their web page. It was long overdue. But, even at my company, we are required to give status updates on the progress of upcoming projects and the business units that are curious about them (since it affects them) have a right to know. Not unlike us, the consumers since we purchased their product.
So, it only seems right that we should be getting updates sooner rather than dead silence, like it's been these past few months.
In any case, I'm not giving up. I'm going to keep pushing until they give me an answer. I'll wait and see what my BBB complaint results in, but I do want to urge others to do the same. Remember, be civil with them, but stern and don't back down on anything but a sufficient answer. Anything vague, such as "I can't speak to that" should have a retort stating "then give me the contact information for someone who can".
Remember, you can't make things happen by just sitting idly by and expecting it to happen by itself. That's how I was at first, and then I decided I had had enough and was going to take a stand. It may not pan out to what we want in the end, but at least if you try, you know you made the effort and it might change how other companies treat their customers.
the thing that drives me flipping insane is that the ATRIX is in development for ics right? and I thought the only difference between us and then is another 512mb ram...so that would be very messed up if they get ics but we don't. just sayin.../end rant
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the thing that drives me flipping insane is that the ATRIX is in development for ics right? and I thought the only difference between us and then is another 512mb ram...so that would be very messed up if they get ics but we don't. just sayin.../end rant
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I agree. I noticed that all the phones that are slated to get ICS all have 1gb of main memory as opposed to our 512mb of memory.
google now owns motorola so thats one reason alot of none ics phones have a evaluation coming up which means most likely will get ics and possibly unlocked bootloaders
Well, almost. I believe they're still waiting on Israel and China to sign off.
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I agree. I noticed that all the phones that are slated to get ICS all have 1gb of main memory as opposed to our 512mb of memory.
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I can't wait til the day comes when we can open up our phones and pop in some extra ram boards/chips like u can on a computer/laptop.
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I can't wait til the day comes when we can open up our phones and pop in some extra ram boards/chips like u can on a computer/laptop.
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I think we're a lot closer to the day where we can no longer open up our computers/laptops and pop in new chips/extra RAM. Just look at the RAZR and G.Nexus...no SD expansion for either, can't even replace the battery in the former.
That was one of the great things about Android phones - but apparently Apple showed the industry how to make another $ and consumers lose again.
Atrix 4G is getting ICS in Q3 of 2012. We can only expect ICS on the X2 (if at all) latest by Q3. By that time we will most probably have CM9 for a good 3-5 months and I will totally give up on ICS from Motorola, with their god awful blur crap on it. And by that time Google will release jellybean and we all will be crying for CM10 and that. Or I might be on the verge of moving onto my next phone.
So thank you Motorola for rolling the updates soooo damn late that no one gives a f*&k.
Seriously, Atrix 4G gets ICS in Q3!??? That is nearly a year late!!! No wonder apple fanboys are laughing their asses off when they get their updates the very day they are released and we have to wait for a year! Pathetic!
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Anyone else think it's unbelievable that the Razr is in "evaluation and planning" ????
Moto is such a joke it's not even funny. I can't believe the Razr is their answer to the Gnex.
I'll never buy another Motorola product.
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I think we're a lot closer to the day where we can no longer open up our computers/laptops and pop in new chips/extra RAM. Just look at the RAZR and G.Nexus...no SD expansion for either, can't even replace the battery in the former.
That was one of the great things about Android phones - but apparently Apple showed the industry how to make another $ and consumers lose again.
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Agreed. Look at Macs, with their soldered in HDDs, RAM, batteries. PCs are heading that direction, too. These tech companies love that their thousand dollar products go obsolete in two years.
Well at least their doing something with all these phones, if not ICS how about more GB updates to fix everything thats still broken? Wheres that 2.3.5 magically gone to...
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I think we're a lot closer to the day where we can no longer open up our computers/laptops and pop in new chips/extra RAM. Just look at the RAZR and G.Nexus...no SD expansion for either, can't even replace the battery in the former.
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im not so sure bout that lol
I think the reason for no sdcard tho is cause do ya REALLY NEED more memory when ya got 32gb internal already?(even 16 is a lot ..if u using ALL that then u need to either delete some pics/vids or upload em to a computer or cloud storage.) lol
and I would think that would also make the system. more "efficient" somehow if it doesn't have to go through the process(es) of having to mount external memory and read/write data from/to it...
then again.. I don't know enough about how the system really works to know what the benefit of not having an external sdcard mount really does for performance lol...i am just talking outta my ass...don't.mind me lol
and also, why do u say its getting closer to not being able to open computer and add chips/ram/cards etc...? I just can't see that happening unless companies don't like making money from people who like to upgrade components of their computers to improve it lol.. unless they make it so that those things are useless or unnecessary (make them obsolete somehow)
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Well at least their doing something with all these phones, if not ICS how about more GB updates to fix everything thats still broken? Wheres that 2.3.5 magically gone to...
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maybe they'll skip 2.3.5 and give us 2.3.6 like the charge has....lol....durp...
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litetaker said:
Atrix 4G is getting ICS in Q3 of 2012. We can only expect ICS on the X2 (if at all) latest by Q3. By that time we will most probably have CM9 for a good 3-5 months and I will totally give up on ICS from Motorola, with their god awful blur crap on it. And by that time Google will release jellybean and we all will be crying for CM10 and that. Or I might be on the verge of moving onto my next phone.
So thank you Motorola for rolling the updates soooo damn late that no one gives a f*&k.
Seriously, Atrix 4G gets ICS in Q3!??? That is nearly a year late!!! No wonder apple fanboys are laughing their asses off when they get their updates the very day they are released and we have to wait for a year! Pathetic!
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speaking of their blur crap, a little birdie told me that the ics leak on the RAZR actually was pretty decent, that it had a VERY vanilla feel to it, but im wondering if that is just because they didn't finish skinning it yet....dunno....bla bla bla
I received a call yesterday from an HTC wanting to discuss a rather critical customer support feedback survey I recently submitted. In the course of the conversation he mentioned the ICS upgrade and I asked him when they expect that to happen. His answer:
"It'll be late May or the second half of this year."
I asked him to repeat it, and whether he had any evidence to confirm that. He said he was sure of the time frame. Make of it what you will, but I've suspected for a while we really got boned in the butt with this one. Give up on an official ICS release in any timely manner.
That's what I figured. When I was researching buying this phone and they said "Late Q1", I was skeptical and said it would probably be more like May. We got confirmation that they were blowing smoke when they announced the Rezound wouldn't be until "later this year".
The CS rep you spoke with seems to align with "later this year".
There has to be a way to get faster updates. What happened to the Google Android Update Alliance?
So basically what he said is sometime this year. That's a pretty big window, so basically we will see an official ICS build within the next 9 months. This is the very reason I root my phone. We already have very stable fully functional ICS builds thanks to our Devs. I don't understand how our Devs can get a great build for us, but yet the "professionals" can't seem to make it happen.
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So basically what he said is sometime this year. That's a pretty big window, so basically we will see an official ICS build within the next 9 months. This is the very reason I root my phone. We already have very stable fully functional ICS builds thanks to our Devs. I don't understand how our Devs can get a great build for us, but yet the "professionals" can't seem to make it happen.
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Because they aren't concerned with us getting updates. They just work on the next phone and get around to us if they feel like it.
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I'm betting it has something to do with Verizon ,not htc. Id blame Verizon for slowing down any update or rom upgrade. Simply because Verizon is testing it to find all the software bugs and tricks embedded in the ROM. And they are determining what bloatware and/or cripplrware they want to stuff in it before its release. Thats why the date keeps getting pushed ahead. Srnd it back to htc devs after vzw is done. Htc tweaks it more, vzw wants to do more to it...and back to htc yet again... :/
The alliance is a joke.
More marketing bs. Great phone though
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I'm still sticking to the summer, but yea, rooting is the way to go.
Even sadder ICS news
http://phandroid.com/2012/03/06/htc-sensation-line-to-get-android-4-0-but-only-sense-3-6/
I think if this is the case with the Rezound rooting will be a must.
Thank goodness for the leaks. They have certainly gotten to the point of being solid and give me most of what I want out of the update. But it doesn't change the fact that Android/Sense 4.0 is ready and working on other phones and they clearly don't have much respect for their previous promises or customers.
I'm sure VZW gets partial blame here, but they are all hurting their reputations together. The extra wait better result in us getting Sense 4! If we just get a bloated official 3.6 I say we get the pitchforks!
Funny, gingerbread with sense 3.5 looks and acts basically like ics with sense 3.6. I tried Joel's sense 4.0 rom and it was pretty cool. This is why we root folks. Never trust the carrier or manufacturers. Stick with the developers!
I'm sure VZW puts HTC through hell with the roms for VZW phones. Definately sucks, but IMO, the longer its put off the more likely we are to get sense 4.0
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...they clearly don't have much respect for their previous promises or customers.
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welcome to retail. HTC/Verizon already has your money. They sold you a phone with whatever software is had on it at the time. They aren't obgliated to update it at all. they do so in order to keep customers happy. its not just HTC either, motorola, samsung, LG, company x; all the same with software updates. Their policy is update the newest first then work their way back. it cost money to develop updates for every single phone model, thats just the way it is. I have learned to not worr or wait for official updates and just use what this great development community has provided to us....4 months early.
the ICS ROMS out right now are honestly magical. Try them out.
I predict that we won't see anything until the "one" is out for at least a month and the buying of that device begins slowing.
KORM via the beast known as the Rezound.
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Their policy is update the newest first then work their way back. it cost money to develop updates for every single phone model, thats just the way it is. I have learned to not worr or wait for official updates and just use what this great development community has provided to us....4 months early.
the ICS ROMS out right now are honestly magical. Try them out.
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I've been following these threads but refraining from posting in them .
I understand your point, however, Android 4.0 was released/announced just prior to the release of the Rezound. If potential customers of the Rezound knew they would not be updated for close to another year (likely when Android 5.0 will be out) I'm sure that would've swayed many buyers.
I myself as well as most of us users on here aren't too hurt about this thanks to our awesome Devs but it sucks to know a lot of people dropped some nice coin for phone that HTC/Verizon have obviously not held their end of the deal of "Will receive ICS in early 2012". This was stated in red lettering on the spec list of the Rezound on the Verizon website.
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If potential customers of the Rezound knew they would not be updated for close to another year (likely when Android 5.0 will be out) I'm sure that would've swayed many buyers.
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I don't really agree & I'm not trying to argue at all.
My point is that the average VZ customer could care less about updates to a phone that basically worked just fine out of the box.
I am the head of our corporate cell phone account with almost 200 phones & if you said "ICS update" to any of our users you would be met with a blank stare as they wouldn't have the first clue what you where talking about. As long as they can turn on their phones & it functions as it's supposed to, they are perfectly happy with it.
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I've been following these threads but refraining from posting in them .
I understand your point, however, Android 4.0 was released/announced just prior to the release of the Rezound. If potential customers of the Rezound knew they would not be updated for close to another year (likely when Android 5.0 will be out) I'm sure that would've swayed many buyers.
I myself as well as most of us users on here aren't too hurt about this thanks to our awesome Devs but it sucks to know a lot of people dropped some nice coin for phone that HTC/Verizon have obviously not held their end of the deal of "Will receive ICS in early 2012". This was stated in red lettering on the spec list of the Rezound on the Verizon website.
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you are def right and i agree. it sucks that consumers are fed lies to sell products. honestly though you have to think of it as a numbers game for VZW.
How many people bought the rezound? 1 million (for ease of math)
How many of those people actually care what OS their phone has? maybe 10%?
of that 100000, how many really know the advantages of ICS vs GB? maybe another 10%?
i mean its a small piece of the VZW pie when you think about it.
plus when the next big HTC phone hits the shelves for sale VZW can advertise is as the "first 4.0 HTC device"
it will be summer before we see this. all i want ice cream for is so the devs can finally get us aosp.
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How many people bought the rezound? 1 million (for ease of math)
How many of those people actually care what OS their phone has? maybe 10%?
of that 100000, how many really know the advantages of ICS vs GB? maybe another 10%?
i mean its a small piece of the VZW pie when you think about it.
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That is exactly the point I was making.
It is only posters to sites like this who really care about things like ICS updates & we are such a tiny fraction of Verizons 100 million customers. If every single XDA poster switched to Sprint tomorrow, VZ wouldn't even notice the hit........
This isn't anything new. The HTC Droid Eris was stuck on Android 1.5 forever. I'm pretty sure Android 2.2 Froyo was out already by the time the Droid Eris got its official Android 2.1 update. Based on the past, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the official release of Jelly Bean sometime before we get the official ICS update for the Rezound. I was also fully prepared for the possibility that we'd have an AOSP port working before we get the official ICS update from Verizon. The Droid Eris already has a mostly working AOSP ICS port and they haven't had an official update since Android 2.1 to base anything off of, so I know its possible with the right amount of time and patience.
Anyways, going forward its very possible we are only going to have AOSP ports for the Rezound, because it is entirely possible at this point that ICS will be the last officially supported version of Android for this phone.
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Hehe. Hehehe. Yeah, I remember that happening too. That was cute.
But yeah, honestly, they didn't attach any teeth to this agreement so there's no incentive for any of the manufacturers to honor it.
looks like moto has pushed back ICS to Q4 for the Photon
http://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
I saw the tweet too. MAJOR disappointment, and it looks like I will be turning to Rooting for my ICS fix. (I was prepared to wait it out, but no longer.)
I was plannign to stay with this phone for another year or so, but...
HTC EVO 4G LTE here I come!!!!
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I was plannign to stay with this phone for another year or so, but...
HTC EVO 4G LTE here I come!!!!
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So funny!
that sucks! but not like it matters to me. how many ics roms do we already have that work almost perfect.
Moto Sucks !
ICS is likely a no-go now since next Android version will be out before the end of this year along with brand new devices. Since Sprint has only one Moto phone, who will really care about Photon !
Typical tactics by the vendors and carriers to keep their devices as close to the 18 months mark as possible. Apparently, carriers are expected to update the software within first 18 months of release only. By end of the Q4, it will be almost 18 months.
Funny that officially, the only Moto device that got ICE is the Xoom tablet ... and Google own Motorola !
Time to seriously think about Windows 8 Phone. It is also shaping up to be an interesting OS.
Thank you so much motorola for announcing this AFTER getting the 2.3.5 update, so not only are you not giving me ICS when you said, I can't get it myself either. I liked this phone, but this really pushed me over the edge. HTC or Samsung next.
Honestly it doesn't matter to much. At least now they are in development, so hopefully we can get a soak test. Then we can get the drivers we need.
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Are you kidding me? When I went to get a new phone this spring, getting ICS was a pr-requisite for any phone I looked at. If it doesn't end up with an ICS update, I'm gonna be pissed.
Dont know why anyone didnt see this coming. I said this would happen when they announced ICS and got flamed. Motorola doesnt give two ****s about its customers and they show it every day. Once I get rid of this piece of crap Photon, I will NEVER own another Motorola product.
I was excited to get this phone and its been a complete disappointment.
#screwyoumotorola
Well, that's the problem with Android, isn't it? That it's a complete train wreck. Microsoft and Apple are pissed at Google because Google is giving away their OS while they sell theirs, which allows OEMs to build monster Android phones (i.e. they put the OS cost toward better hardware).
It isn't in the OEMs' best interest to update their phones. Not at all. We are not Motorola's customers. US Cellular is. Sprint is. And the other carriers who buy Motorola phones (and tablets, perhaps). As Motorola's customer, Sprint (to use one) is not best served by last years' phones being updated to the next OS. No, Sprint makes more money if your next device has ICS. That results in a second sale for them. They already sell the phone to you at a serious loss, with a contract. So, why should they support the phone beyond the life of the contract? You buy a Gingerbread phone at a great price. They are hoping you will buy an ICS phone at a great price in two years.
To the carriers, Android smartphones are evolving too fast. Updates are coming out faster than they are comfortable with. They like the iPhone model better -- fewer than half a dozen devices, all the same basic hardware, easy update. Same with WP7/WP8 to come, so few devices. And of course higher costs = higher profits.
Meanwhile, the developers at XDA and the like help you extend your phone's life. I have ICS on my Electrify (Photon) and it's awesome. When I got it, everybody was saying it couldn't be unlocked. But somebody figured it out. Now I'm running CM9 (ICS) and it's given my phone a completely unnecessary kick in the pants. I didn't think there was much room for improvement (and maybe a CM7-based, Blur-free ROM would have been a good choice, as well) but it's really lit a fire under my phone's, eh, kickstand.
I understand that people want to jump to HTC or Samsung. I say go ahead. It's not in the best interests of either of those companies to get you ICS sooner than later, either. Motorola makes the best radio out of any of the three. If you want upgrades sooner, I think your absolute best bet is to get a Nexus straight from Google, but those may be GSM-only? Even if one is CDMA, I doubt US Cellular will activate it for me. So that will not work in my case, I don't think. I think the best thing for everybody is a place where developers can come together and work on custom ROMs for these phones and be thanked or even donated to by those who can... hmm... a place kind of like this one.
Can't say I'm shocked.
Lame!
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To postpone it in hopes that people buy the next photon or whatever, and hide behind how "difficult" it is to push this out, is one thing..
but to also come out with a 2.3.5 update that completely prevents people from customizing their phones and make due with some unofficial ics fun till the real thing comes, is a pretty shtty move.
Are they saying "Boo!" or "Booo-urns!"?
Doesn't surprise me one bit. How many devices other then the Nexus see more then 2 software updates? Maybe 1 or 2,if they're a flagship device and they break some sales record. Even if you buy a high end device there's no guarantee anymore you'll get any future updates regardless of what the companies behind it say.
Considering that 2 of the DROID devices got cut from the list I don't expect us to get the official update at all
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I was holding off on running an ICS ROM on my phone to wait for the official update.
This is why my next device will be my first iPhone. I already own a 3rd gen iPod Touch and I STILL get the latest updates for it straight from Apple. I love the fact that when Apple pushes out an update, it's not for just one device, but for all of them! They all come out on the same day so there is no waiting for "when's it gonna be my turn".
I really think Google needs to take a more proactive approach to the Android updates.
the problem is the carrier.
That being said, they probably have enough leverage in the marketplace to put mandates on carriers.
me too
Aquos1 said:
I was holding off on running an ICS ROM on my phone to wait for the official update.
This is why my next device will be my first iPhone. I already own a 3rd gen iPod Touch and I STILL get the latest updates for it straight from Apple. I love the fact that when Apple pushes out an update, it's not for just one device, but for all of them! They all come out on the same day so there is no waiting for "when's it gonna be my turn".
I really think Google needs to take a more proactive approach to the Android updates.
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I totally agree. I too was waiting for the ICS update before installing a custom ROM. Guess I have no more reason to wait.
However I would never want an "I" product.
findthedr said:
the problem is the carrier.
That being said, they probably have enough leverage in the marketplace to put mandates on carriers.
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So you think ICS is done and Sprint is holding things up? Yea, right.
MadFlava said:
So you think ICS is done and Sprint is holding things up? Yea, right.
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I was wrong saying carrier only. Its carrier/manufacturer.
Android ICS "code" is done. It would be an easy push if all devices were Nexus. The holdup is motorola adding their flavors like blur, and carriers with their requirements and bloatware.
No more CMXX for Tegra 2, at the very least not officially. This is due to the lack of Neon support on our chips. Just wanted to let erybody know.
If some one want to read it:
https://plus.google.com/117962666888533781522/posts/8wcuSVkr7zR
Well, it's not exactly that. CM10.1 doesn't have anything with NEON, but the keyboard, and it's easy replaceable.
But, as they suguess, probably, we won't get anything beyond CM10.1 - At least working at 100%.
It's a sad notice in did. But we will have Atrix for a while. Don't get upset. .
EDIT: If you read the comments, they said that maybe it's posible to emulate NEON instruction set. That might kill some RAM and CPU/GPU power, but if worth it, worth it. .
Well, since there are no official CM releases for the Atrix beyond CM7, I don't see how this is relevant. Besides, it's the Gapps that will explicitly require NEON support (for now). If KLP runs using the current Gapps, then we're in the clear. If not, well, this phone is getting to its 3rd year. That's, like, ancient in the tech world. And JB already brought a massive amount of improvement over Froyo anyway. Sticking to CM10.1 isn't such a bad idea, methinks.
quetzalcoatl2435 said:
Well, since there are no official CM releases for the Atrix beyond CM7, I don't see how this is relevant. Besides, it's the Gapps that will explicitly require NEON support (for now). If KLP runs using the current Gapps, then we're in the clear. If not, well, this phone is getting to its 3rd year. That's, like, ancient in the tech world. And JB already brought a massive amount of improvement over Froyo anyway. Sticking to CM10.1 isn't such a bad idea, methinks.
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I didn't mean to come off as complaining. And I think it is relevant because this is a Tegra 2 device, one that soon could earn official CM releases since we'll have an appropriate kernel. Just wanted to share some news. All I care about is PlayStore and GMail myself, so not a huge loss here.
EDIT this is general. Why WAS THIS MMOOOVED?!
Nah but seriously.
I agree with quetzalcoatl2435, this is a 3 years old device, and ok, some of us have get the device late, maybe less than a year ago, but still a old device.
But, even that way, even if we stick to 4.2 - There is some hugh progress about that. Android 4.2 is like Android as it should have been always.
Plus, if you can notice, Google is moving to release the system apps in Google Play, it start with Keyboard, but I keep hoping they release Contacts, because it's the best contacts app.
Yeah, you could miss something, we are not losing, we won already. We won because we are a community, and we could made it beyond what motorola said that we could.
m1k3_ said:
I agree with quetzalcoatl2435, this is a 3 years old device, and ok, some of us have get the device late, maybe less than a year ago, but still a old device.
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I wish I knew why people keep saying it's a 3 year old phone. It's not even two and a half years old yet in the US, and barely a tick over 2 years old in the UK.
/rant
I don't think it matters how old it is period. 1) That wasn't the point of the thread, it was to share the news. and 2) If it can run future versions, it can run future versions. Time is not a huge factor.
jeffreygtab said:
I don't think it matters how old it is period. 1) That wasn't the point of the thread, it was to share the news. and 2) If it can run future versions, it can run future versions. Time is not a huge factor.
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Exactly on all points, which is why seeing posts like that irritate me.