According to what I have been reading in this forum and X10-related sites, people expect SE to pack the latest technology into their flagship phones. I used to think of it this way too but unfortunately after having the X1 and X10 the experience was disappointing Then I questioned myself whats the true reason I bought them
The look
Yeap any SE phones that you can think of right now, their design is always outstanding. This is the image the company is trying to create to the public; to win the beauty award among competitors in market. If you want to buy a slick-looking phones your best bet is SE, they're damn good at it. People like good looking stuff that is why their phones still sell. But as a practical person you know looks aren't everything. SE's target market are probably the youngsters, who change their phones more frequent than other age ranges.
In a stereotypically point of view, SE phones are blondes.
So if SE has never had the intention to create a cutting-edge phone, its not their fault. If you're an X10 user who are currently not happy with how SE isn't doing a good job on the hardware/software department and keep up with the updates etc, blame yourself for not being able to get passed the look of the phone.
After seeing xperia phones' performance, it has become pretty clear to me that SE phones are not the choice for people who like to keep up with the latest technology and expect high performance from their phones. And SE are also not the best listener who will change their plan to meet our demands, because that is not the company's goal. As long as SE are still selling their phones it's very unlikely that they will repositioning themselves on the market.
Personally SE phones are now out of my list. They simply aren't future-proof enough and eol too quickly.
the new xperia Arc is pretty good
thumbs up.
Since part of it is Sony, I expect a good multimedia player. In fact, this is why I chose her instead of Google Nexus One.
I did extensive research and found out that the music player wasn't really that good
And when I saw Mediascape, I told myself she's the one for me!
Granted, the absence of an equalizer control is abit of a disappointment, but well, you win some, you lose some =/
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the new xperia Arc is pretty good
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Two 'good's i can think of the arc
'Good' Looking
As for the software, support etc etc
'Good' Luck
loneLEE said:
Since part of it is Sony, I expect a good multimedia player. In fact, this is why I chose her instead of Google Nexus One.
I did extensive research and found out that the music player wasn't really that good
And when I saw Mediascape, I told myself she's the one for me!
Granted, the absence of an equalizer control is abit of a disappointment, but well, you win some, you lose some =/
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Exactly, if I'm not mistaken it was the first android phone which has the most customized and best looking media player.
SE's designing department rarely fails
Yeap. A blonde, but I've dyed her brunette with XDA
I'm completely satisfied with her as it stands now. An official 2.2 would be a great addition but no sweat if it never arrives. The JiT patch + xRecovery + other tweaks have gotten my X10 to places I never had thought possible. I don't give 2 flips if my mate's Galaxy S scrolls smoother [laugh] or another mate's Desire has dozens of custom ROM's - the Xperia's physical looks and overall UI is what I picked her for - for the rest there's XDA.
That's my story.
The Hardware of X10 or Arc is good the Problem is only the Software. A X10 or Arc with Software from someone here created like zdzihu,jerpelea and all and this would be the best Phone becouse nice Desings,good Hardware and the difference to SE very good Software! The Arc has latest Software so dont know if it sucks or not but the Software on X10 withouth JIT+Root sucks.
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Two 'good's i can think of the arc
'Good' Looking
As for the software, support etc etc
'Good' Luck
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Arc is the top SE right now, but I'm sticking with my x10
Wolfbreak said:
The Hardware of X10 or Arc is good the Problem is only the Software. A X10 or Arc with Software from someone here created like zdzihu,jerpelea and all and this would be the best Phone becouse nice Desings,good Hardware and the difference to SE very good Software! The Arc has latest Software so dont know if it sucks or not but the Software on X10 withouth JIT+Root sucks.
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That's what really scares me. SE loves to customize their products so that it looks even more like their own creation. That is why SE will not launch any WinMo7 phones since it doesn't allow customization.
X1 was my first SE. I signed a really expensive contract for it which i do not need because i was so drawn into the beauty of that thing. After learning my (1st) lesson I was willing to give SE another go, I bought it upfront so that I can easily move on to another brand if it does not live up to my expectation again.
Well again the x10 didn't live up to my expectation, but at least my wallet didn't go hay-wired this time
Wolfbreak said:
The Hardware of X10 or Arc is good the Problem is only the Software. A X10 or Arc with Software from someone here created like zdzihu,jerpelea and all and this would be the best Phone becouse nice Desings,good Hardware and the difference to SE very good Software! The Arc has latest Software so dont know if it sucks or not but the Software on X10 withouth JIT+Root sucks.
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I dont know how good is the hardware but its probably not good enough. That spec already existed in some phones thats launched last year. Sure many people would say the duo core is over-rated and 1ghz is more than enough but we're still in the 1st month of the year. If this year mobile phone is all about duo cores, arc will again miss out a lot of latest apps
No App will require more then 1GHZ, this would be crazy. And when Dual Core turns Mainstream SE will have the Arc successor out already with Dual Core. Not even all PC Programs did use a Quad Core and Quad Core is out for many years so i dont think all new Apps will require a Dual Core now.
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Hi everyone.
I'm just thinking about buying a Xperia X10 mini pro for my wife. I went to the store to check but the screen looks really small. I was reading some reviews on the web but ther're not conclusive and always done with a fresh device.
Can someone post a brief review on the following topics?
1. How's speed after a certain usage?
2. Is the screen a limiting factor for some, many or really most android apps?
3. Will froyo be avaliable on this one in future?
4. Top 5 pros and cons?
Any help is greatly appreciated!
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Hi everyone.
I'm just thinking about buying a Xperia X10 mini pro for my wife. I went to the store to check but the screen looks really small. I was reading some reviews on the web but ther're not conclusive and always done with a fresh device.
Can someone post a brief review on the following topics?
1. How's speed after a certain usage?
2. Is the screen a limiting factor for some, many or really most android apps?
3. Will froyo be avaliable on this one in future?
4. Top 5 pros and cons?
Any help is greatly appreciated!
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Well i have the x10 mini for more than a month now and the speed is still very quick, very few lags. For the screen size and apps, i think there are a lot of available apps for the x10 mini's screen size, my only nag is that i can't access paid apps yet, not really the x10 mini's problem but the android market here in my country. With froyo I hope its coming but i dont think it'll be anytime soon since the eclair update will be coming only at the end of october
Top 5 pros
1. very pocket friendly
2. fast
3. nice ui
4. nice camera
5. not too expensive
Top 5 cons
1. only android 1.6 but i can't say that i'd benefit so much with the 2.1 update coz i can do everything i need to do with my x10 mini right now
2. battery life not great, mine can last up to two days sometimes though
3. its not amoled, its asking too much, but hey it would look great if it were amoled might make it slower though
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I can honestly say there are no cons except the battery life is not the best.
If you want a bigger screen dont buy a mini of course! lol
Big thanks my friends! It's for my wife. I think she will be ok with a smaller screen if the form factor is better than the "big male phones" as she says hehe.
The eclair is officialy coming end of October than?
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The eclair is officialy coming end of October than?
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thats what SE said, hopefully there'll be no further delays
Yep. I'm using it right now.
However, startup is very affected by application. There are alot of nasty app there which start as system starts, this lengthen my boot time. After that, it's just quick.
I think, it is the only Android device with best physical design. I know it has limitation with android version and screen size, but, it's worth the style, plus I'm not so enthusiast. So, it's so stylist.
For your information, I already rooted this device. So, should still be okay if you want to play with this device.
Very recommended.
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thats what SE said, hopefully there'll be no further delays
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This is SE we are talking about. They are worse than British Rail at delays: http://www.xperiax10.net/2010/10/01...e-november-plus-more-details-on-improvements/
PS: Sorry to give you a con, rather than a pro
Both of us have the pro version of this fone there a several pro and not many cons
Yes it has a small screen but it is a small device
We got the pro cause the keyboard makes it so much easier to type
About the only major con I can think of is the boot hasnt been cracked so we're stuck waiting for SE to realse an OS update. There are a few apps that wont work becuase they require 2.1 and wont run on 1.6
I currently have a HTC Magic but I am getting annoyed with the lack of decent stable roms for it so I have been shopping around and for my budget I have a choice of either an X10 mini or the new X8 but wanted to find out which would be better as I understand the X8 is like the X10 mini but with a bigger screen and a lower camera
Dony buy either of the phones as they are dum.
I was a xperia x1 user and my x1 stopped working as it had gone in water.
I bought a x8 and my friend also had saved moey to buy a x10 mini pro.
But let me tell you that its nor worth thr money you are spending and the X1 had 13 buttons on the front bottom the xperia just had 3 buttons on the front bottom.
There isnt any direct call button, you will have to go back from the menu to make a call.
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There isnt any direct call button, you will have to go back from the menu to make a call.
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With a alternate Homelauncher (f.ex. ADW) you can bind the middle key with the dialer if you are already at the homescreen.
...and for the X8 and X10 use the sony-ericsson.com comparison tool and try to look at the phones at a market.
adils3d said:
Dony buy either of the phones as they are dum.
I was a xperia x1 user and my x1 stopped working as it had gone in water.
I bought a x8 and my friend also had saved moey to buy a x10 mini pro.
But let me tell you that its nor worth thr money you are spending and the X1 had 13 buttons on the front bottom the xperia just had 3 buttons on the front bottom.
There isnt any direct call button, you will have to go back from the menu to make a call.
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Sorry to sound dumb but isn't the X1 a WM device? the 2 I asked about are both Android devices I only ask about these 2 devices as I hate WM and Apple iOS. My other oprion is to strech my budget for a HTC Wildfire (all of these handsets would be pay as you go)
VooDoo` said:
With a alternate Homelauncher (f.ex. ADW) you can bind the middle key with the dialer if you are already at the homescreen.
...and for the X8 and X10 use the sony-ericsson.com comparison tool and try to look at the phones at a market.
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I have looked at the comparison charts but I am more interested in 'real life' comparison rather then a spec for spec comparison
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Sorry to sound dumb but isn't the X1 a WM device? the 2 I asked about are both Android devices I only ask about these 2 devices as I hate WM and Apple iOS. My other oprion is to strech my budget for a HTC Wildfire (all of these handsets would be pay as you go)
I have looked at the comparison charts but I am more interested in 'real life' comparison rather then a spec for spec comparison
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i had also a x1 wm phone, and now i have x10 mini pro and had x10, x10 mini and htc wildfire....
If you will have a small phone get the mini, i only have the pro becouse i use the qwerty keyboard much.... the mini/pro is a great phone, but the wildfire has a ugly screen, then you use a picture as wallpaper is looks ugly.....
so if i was you i will look at x10 mini or x8....
my 2 cents
knudsen81 said:
i had also a x1 wm phone, and now i have x10 mini pro and had x10, x10 mini and htc wildfire....
If you will have a small phone get the mini, i only have the pro becouse i use the qwerty keyboard much.... the mini/pro is a great phone, but the wildfire has a ugly screen, then you use a picture as wallpaper is looks ugly.....
so if i was you i will look at x10 mini or x8....
my 2 cents
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Cheers for that I am not much of a qwerty keypad user I prefer the old T9 style predictive keypad as I don't text often and I can text a lot quicker with a keypad rather then a qwerty. I know what you mean about wallpapers on the wildfire as I had previously had a Tattoo with a similer size screen
My thought
Personally I like more X8. I've got X10 mini pro two months ago. I like it, It is nice device but small resolution restrict from getting all those great apps so it is not ideal. I also thought I will use HW keyboard a lot but most of time I'm just lazy to do it. On screen keyboard could be good enough for me. Camera with autofocus is nice but I have problem with fingerprints on lens everytime I check lens out. Such small phone is hard to avoid touching the lens. And also AF is not working perfectly. I experienced decently blured pictures from time to time (just bad focus, not shutter problem). So, with X8 you can save some money and still get slightly more usable device thus better resolution. Personally I'm thinking about switch to X8 from my X10 mini.
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Cheers for that I am not much of a qwerty keypad user I prefer the old T9 style predictive keypad as I don't text often and I can text a lot quicker with a keypad rather then a qwerty. I know what you mean about wallpapers on the wildfire as I had previously had a Tattoo with a similer size screen
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the x10 mini has a good t9 keyboard, but the x8 comes with a on-screen qwerty keyboard like the x10 and not as the mini's keyboard
disreguard adils3d's juvenile comments lol...
Anyway i have a mini pro, and its a gr8 little phone but i bought it specificly because i wanted a small smartphone and a taste of android with T9 style onsceen keypad for sms...using the slider more for emails etc.
The X8 Depends if a bigger screen is more important to you and your not bothered about the lesser camera fucntions and like an onscreen qwerty apart from that i dont think there is any difference apart from price.
In the uk o2 are selling the X8 for £130!!!!
unfortunatly when I went to get the x10 mini today from CEX it had been sold so in the end I ended up getting a HTC Hero instead as they didn't have anymore x10 mini's within my price range. The X10 mini was going for £130 unlocked/sim-free but as it was sold I got a HTC Hero for £120 + £15 to get it unlocked
Gavincol78 said:
unfortunatly when I went to get the x10 mini today from CEX it had been sold so in the end I ended up getting a HTC Hero instead as they didn't have anymore x10 mini's within my price range. The X10 mini was going for £130 unlocked/sim-free but as it was sold I got a HTC Hero for £120 + £15 to get it unlocked
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Htc Hero is also a great phone, works good, and if you root it you kan put android 2.2 on it
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Htc Hero is also a great phone, works good, and if you root it you kan put android 2.2 on it
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I would do but I like the HTC Sense UI which I don't think is in 2.2 yet?
I currantly have 2.1 update 1
Gavincol78 said:
I would do but I like the HTC Sense UI which I don't think is in 2.2 yet?
I currantly have 2.1 update 1
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i don't know with sense but custom rom from villian team works great with hero
http://www.villainrom.co.uk/forum/
X10 Mini is perfect small phone with lots of features better than X8
raiderkilo said:
X10 Mini is perfect small phone with lots of features better than X8
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I don't think that except camera there is any superior feature in mini than x8..
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As a X10 Mini owner, I'd say it depends a lot on its usage.
I got the X10 Mini because I already owned an Omnia HD with great camera and multimedia capabilities and I needed a second device to handle another operator.
The X10 Mini is just that, a great secondary device with great software capabilities because of Android and spectacular performance. It does hold the title of world's smallest smartphone.
However.. the small screen and resolution limits too much the android experience, making some tasks like web browsing a bit painful, not to mention software incompatibility.
For a better smartphone experience, the X8 will be a lot better.
However... for a good android smartphone experience, I'd choose none.
Given Sony Ericsson's back story with firmware updates, I wouldn't get an android from them at all..
Android apps are too much version-dependent, and SE is still late to bring an update to Éclair when every other manufacturer has moved to Froyo.
They even ridiculed themselves to the point of launching a phone with a 2 generations old firmware, the X8.
That's like launching a laptop with Windows XP right now.
And no one knows when the updates are coming.. The X10 was launched a year ago there's still no update..
All we know is that they've NEVER updated any android from them, ever.
And looking at their background SE's background with their Symbian smartphones (laughable, to say the least), I wouldn't count too much on their support.
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As a X10 Mini owner, I'd say it depends a lot on its usage.
I got the X10 Mini because I already owned an Omnia HD with great camera and multimedia capabilities and I needed a second device to handle another operator.
The X10 Mini is just that, a great secondary device with great software capabilities because of Android and spectacular performance. It does hold the title of world's smallest smartphone.
However.. the small screen and resolution limits too much the android experience, making some tasks like web browsing a bit painful, not to mention software incompatibility.
For a better smartphone experience, the X8 will be a lot better.
However... for a good android smartphone experience, I'd choose none.
Given Sony Ericsson's back story with firmware updates, I wouldn't get an android from them at all..
Android apps are too much version-dependent, and SE is still late to bring an update to Éclair when every other manufacturer has moved to Froyo.
They even ridiculed themselves to the point of launching a phone with a 2 generations old firmware, the X8.
That's like launching a laptop with Windows XP right now.
And no one knows when the updates are coming.. The X10 was launched a year ago there's still no update..
All we know is that they've NEVER updated any android from them, ever.
And looking at their background SE's background with their Symbian smartphones (laughable, to say the least), I wouldn't count too much on their support.
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Well said..
ToTTenTranz said:
As a X10 Mini owner, I'd say it depends a lot on its usage.
I got the X10 Mini because I already owned an Omnia HD with great camera and multimedia capabilities and I needed a second device to handle another operator.
The X10 Mini is just that, a great secondary device with great software capabilities because of Android and spectacular performance. It does hold the title of world's smallest smartphone.
However.. the small screen and resolution limits too much the android experience, making some tasks like web browsing a bit painful, not to mention software incompatibility.
For a better smartphone experience, the X8 will be a lot better.
However... for a good android smartphone experience, I'd choose none.
Given Sony Ericsson's back story with firmware updates, I wouldn't get an android from them at all..
Android apps are too much version-dependent, and SE is still late to bring an update to Éclair when every other manufacturer has moved to Froyo.
They even ridiculed themselves to the point of launching a phone with a 2 generations old firmware, the X8.
That's like launching a laptop with Windows XP right now.
And no one knows when the updates are coming.. The X10 was launched a year ago there's still no update..
All we know is that they've NEVER updated any android from them, ever.
And looking at their background SE's background with their Symbian smartphones (laughable, to say the least), I wouldn't count too much on their support.
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That is another reason why I was glad they had sold the X10 mini and went for my HTC Hero which already had 2.1-update1 on it and the unlock for the HTC was actually £5.99 via a reputable ebay member express-codes so £120 for HTC Hero w/ 2.1-update1 + £5.99 unlock made for a much better choice instead of £130 for a X10 mini
I have both of them.
And if the camera was the same in the x8 as in the x10 mini pro, I think the x8 was the winner.
It works faster, batterylife is longer, the screens bigger size make a real diffrence.
I use the x10 pro as everyday use and the x8's just for fun, I simply love the x8 with the exeption of the camera.
And about updates, who cares really?
If there dosent come a official realese, im sure there will come one here.
Not something there is giving me a headic
iversen20 said:
I have both of them.
And if the camera was the same in the x8 as in the x10 mini pro, I think the x8 was the winner.
It works faster, batterylife is longer, the screens bigger size make a real diffrence.
I use the x10 pro as everyday use and the x8's just for fun, I simply love the x8 with the exeption of the camera.
And about updates, who cares really?
If there dosent come a official realese, im sure there will come one here.
Not something there is giving me a headic
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Well that would be true if SE hadn't installed a locked bootloader, able to boot only their signed roms...
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Hi every one.
I'm on a decision whether to lose the future on SE android Phones or gain it on other Android phones like Samsung, HTC or Motorola via their OS Updates.
I think ARC,Pro,Neo and play will have the same destiny like X10 and after sometime there will be no OS updates.
Thank the xda developers to port newer ROMs to x10 but one of the important parts of x10 never worked fully till now and that is its CAMERA!!!!!
Now, What's your Opinion about the Future of SE Smart Phones?
I apologize for my poor English
behrad_m said:
Hi every one.
I'm on a decision whether to lose the future on SE android Phones or gain it on other Android phones like Samsung, HTC or Motorola via their OS Updates.
I think ARC,Pro,Neo and play will have the same destiny like X10 and after sometime there will be no OS updates.
Thank the xda developers to port newer ROMs to x10 but one of the important parts of x10 never worked fully till now and that is its CAMERA!!!!!
Now, What's your Opinion about the Future of SE Smart Phones?
I apologize for my poor English
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I think your wrong. SE have learned there leason about being late with OS updates and there new devices will be a different story than the X10 was.
As for decisions, you gotta make that yourself....whatever you think will make you happy.
I, myself will be getting the Arc....and that will most probably be my last android device....im going to move on over to WP7 soon enough. Gotta wait and see what Nokia has in store for it.
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I have tested HTC hd7 for a week and it got some advantages but i think android will be more powerfull than WP7. Somehow i hope SE keep supporting its new phones. The repetition of this mistake will cause losing customers and suffer the lovers.
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I think your wrong. SE have learned there leason about being late with OS updates and there new devices will be a different story than the X10 was.
As for decisions, you gotta make that yourself....whatever you think will make you happy.
I, myself will be getting the Arc....and that will most probably be my last android device....im going to move on over to WP7 soon enough. Gotta wait and see what Nokia has in store for it.
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Actually that depends, no company would go updating their phones all the way to the latest firmware update, like X10 they'll probably give 1-2 major firmware updates to the Arc few months after the firmware is released by Google, then leave it and release new phones. Reason why I think so is because from my point of view, SE is all about visual perfection, if the UI doesn't look good they'll tweak it till they're happy (thus the delay).
I myself will wait for Google's next Nexus (if any), mainly because there are more support there than any other android phones.
I like Sony Ericsson. They make good looking hardware. my contract ends in about a year, so i'll probs get to get the next lot
NOT EVER SONY (any product period)
Motorola Atrix as soon as I can get my hands on it AND the dock station. Experience with the Xperia left me never willing to own or purchase another Sony product EVER, in fact I sold my PS3 since owning it as the IBM Cell processor is no longer useful, for the same reasons the entire Xperia line from x1 to Play.. DRM junk!
These guys have even been sued over the crap, sued themselves over the subject and continue to underwhelm and disappoint. Never again Mr Sony!
Innovation ended with the Walkman. Sony have no vision or ability to grasp open source software and have no place in Android.
my contract is not up for another year...even though i like sony unsure if i will get another one or not - and not because of all the broken promises etc
i am not an "sony fan" or "Nokia fan" etc...i will see what phones are out at the time and see whats best
Lol I love when people say sony learned their lesson... If they did then why not fix their mistake and upgrade x10 once more before ditching it? Isn't fixing your mistake part of learning your lesson? I know I'm going to get a lot of lame excuses in response to this as usual...
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Lol I love when people say sony learned their lesson... If they did then why not suz their mistake and upgrade x10 once more before ditching it? Isn't fixing your mistake part of learning your lesson? I know I'm going to get a lot of lame excuses in response to this as usual...
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Man, you are persistent
I think we all know by now, you DON'T like the X10 and possibly the rest of the Sony Ericsson product line. And that's okay
javagreen said:
Man, you are persistent
I think we all know by now, you DON'T like the X10 and possibly the rest of the Sony Ericsson product line. And that's okay
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I never once said I didn't like the x10 ever.. I love it. I just don't like sony's lack if support and the way they're handling this situation...
hahaha for me i like the design of ****ing SE but the way they leave the OS ?ahh im forwarding to last SE of ARc if they gonna leave again .this is the last sE to buy with... curently X10 user.. im luky the XDA or developers are here to felp us lol
Liked the x10, would buy another Android SE only If x10 would get further upgrades at least till HW would be capable to handle it otherwise No way.
just because my x10 is sim unlocked imma kep using it for a while
but my next option could be an optimus 3d or an inspire 4g or an atrix (although motoblur is not of my likes)
still will be with android cause wp7 is kinda buggy from what I read xD
there might be a chance of getting an arc just cause it looks so damn fancy but will depend on the money XD
behrad_m said:
Hi every one.
I'm on a decision whether to lose the future on SE android Phones or gain it on other Android phones like Samsung, HTC or Motorola via their OS Updates.
I think ARC,Pro,Neo and play will have the same destiny like X10 and after sometime there will be no OS updates.
Thank the xda developers to port newer ROMs to x10 but one of the important parts of x10 never worked fully till now and that is its CAMERA!!!!!
Now, What's your Opinion about the Future of SE Smart Phones?
I apologize for my poor English
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Decisons are best made on informed choice. Yes the experience with SE Android debut was (is) frustrating. They could have handled issues with updates better but if their products (software side especially) then I will use my head as well as my heart. Of course SE should realise if you treat your clients shabbily, you drive them into your competitors embrace!
When i bought the x10 i thought that SE may have done the right thing..
But after a year of fighting and arguing SE has now decided to repair my phone.
I am not going to be robbed again, the x10 is no marvel
and yes SE may have sorted out their firmware distribution,
they are still no longer making quality hardware!
SE used the x10 product line and clever marketing to smear the
horridly planned and badly designed phones on the un-expecting public.
So in my eyes... they fail and this will be the last SE and SONY product i buy.
Sony and SE is taking the piss for the cash.
I think the ARC,NEO,PRO & PLAY = crap.. the hardware is already outdated!
Plus sony loves to remove stuff from the firmware in consoles and devices.
Screw them in the ear.
Money hungry pigs.
behrad_m said:
Hi every one.
I'm on a decision whether to lose the future on SE android Phones or gain it on other Android phones like Samsung, HTC or Motorola via their OS Updates.
I think ARC,Pro,Neo and play will have the same destiny like X10 and after sometime there will be no OS updates.
Thank the xda developers to port newer ROMs to x10 but one of the important parts of x10 never worked fully till now and that is its CAMERA!!!!!
Now, What's your Opinion about the Future of SE Smart Phones?
I apologize for my poor English
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Actually, X10 is not too bad, just no more OS update. For me, I wouldn't like to spend too much on phone so I'm going to stick a while with X10.
But if u would preferred to get latest firmware all the time and have budget, I reckon HTC.
Cheers.
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Maybe if i find a used arc that cost around 300$ i'll get one.... otherwise ... a brand new galaxy 2 or desire HD
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blisslove said:
Actually, X10 is not too bad, just no more OS update. For me, I wouldn't like to spend too much on phone so I'm going to stick a while with X10.
But if u would preferred to get latest firmware all the time and have budget, I reckon HTC.
Cheers.
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As you know, The usage of these Smart phones depends on their OS, because of their software improvements. for new apps you will need android 2.2 or 2.3 or higher and then our x10s will be outdated but if you have galaxy s you will have all official advantages of new androids. I think firmware upgrades are free.
I posted several months ago that if SE stuck the X10 on 2.1 then there was like a 5% chance that I would go with another SE (65% chance if 2.2, 99% for 2.3). Considering that they've stuck the X10 on 2.1 (cmon, almost all new system type apps require 2.2 like gmail and all the bug fixes 2.2 brings) it's very unlikely. I may do the Optimus 2X... camera looks decent.
And for those that say SE has learned their lesson, I'm calling BS.
They've done this with EVERY other smartphone they've released.
They release a smartphone with a lot of promises and statements of the lessons they've learned from past smartphones ONLY to do the same thing.
Vivaz, Vivaz Pro, Satio, Xperia X1, Xperia X2, G700, G900, etc.
'Time flows like a river and history repeats' -some quote...
Well, i have always been a fan of SE, and i would still buy their phones, but the way they handled/are handling the x10 issues has made me consider other phones like samsung or htc.
If you want updates to your phone, you shouldn't stay with SE, because as they said about the x10 "We have decided to not step up beyond 2.1 since we believe that 2.2 won't enhance the user experience enough."
and that's gonna happen again.
I thought we could create a thread dedicated to the upcoming new android version regarding the Xperia mini/mini pro and Ray.
Maybe here we could gather information about release dates, user interface thoughts and ideas, features etc.
Sounds like a good idea?
Peace
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I somehow think that Sony might pull a "We believe our stock 2.3 rom is the best ever. We see no reason to update" like they did with their older phones, and save it for their 2012 range.
Yeah possible, but then again they have stated that all the 2011 models will get ICS, and hopefully they have learned from the disaster with the X10.
But after spending some time searching the forums I'm starting to think that your scenario is pretty possible, sadly...
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Yes, I think the same My second phone is x10 mini pro and SE end support his on Android 2.1. Reason? Thats the best for this hardware. Now I have alternative rom an android 2.3.7 and it work faster like stock rom 2.1 Thanks for devalopers from xda.
hopefully
if they dont release it for 2011 xperias , hopefully the epic cool devs here will, as a custom rom
i'm an x8 user and they had me stuck on 2.1 and if they ever do this again to me ( i plan to get the xperia mini pro ), idk then next time i'm buying a phone i will consider that SE is invisible and have no existence in planet earth anymore lol , regardless of what so ever "super cool" looking handsets they might have available at the time......
if you like Android 4.0 theme, you can use
ICS Launcher
https://market.android.com/details?id=mobi.SyndicateApps.ICSv2
it's free app
I guess they put out a statement on it, pretty vague. But Engadget interprets as SE confirming ICS
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/20/sony-ericsson-bringing-ice-cream-sandwich-to-xperia-handsets/
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I guess they put out a statement on it, pretty vague. But Engadget interprets as SE confirming ICS
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/20/sony-ericsson-bringing-ice-cream-sandwich-to-xperia-handsets/
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I'm quite confident that it will come, eventually. Don't hold your breath on when exactly that will be, though I'm sure CM will beat them to it.
SE firmwares are somewhat backward compared to firmwares provided by samsung or htc in their devices. (eg. No smart dialing in my mini pro). And the timescape UI lacks many features (I don't need five home screens, but can't change it). I hope they will improve such minor details in forthcoming updates.
I need to recommend a phone to my 20 year old cousin sister. I had recommended Ace but its low RAM puts me off. All the Sony phones S15, S17 and W17 are having similar price. Would you recommend these over Ace? Which one?
I have to put a stable ROM for her and she will not be messing with such things. She needs good music, facebook and playing games like Angry Birds.
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I need to recommend a phone to my 20 year old cousin sister. I had recommended Ace but its low RAM puts me off. All the Sony phones S15, S17 and W17 are having similar price. Would you recommend these over Ace? Which one?
I have to put a stable ROM for her and she will not be messing with such things. She needs good music, facebook and playing games like Angry Birds.
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Its all depend on how she is.
sk17 (mini pro) have hw keyboard and front camera, w17 and st17 doesnt have both of it.
But, st17 have dust and water resistant but since your cousin is 'SHE', then i dont thnik that features is a big plus for her (except if she is the type of active and doing a lot of outdoor activities).
I would recommend sk17 (mini pro) (if she doesnt care on how thick and thin it is for all the additional features it has)
I would recommend wt17 (active) if she doing a lot of outdoor activities and would like to have some devices that can stand some heavy situation and doesnt care about having hw keyboard for fast typing and front camera for skype etc.
for wt19 (live) ,all are the same with sk17 (mini pro) and st15 (mini) (cpu, ram, gpu etc) but it has slightly larger screen but with lower density. However, the overall design of it might catch her attention.
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Its all depend on how she is.
sk17 (mini pro) have hw keyboard and front camera, w17 and st17 doesnt have both of it.
But, st17 have dust and water resistant but since your cousin is 'SHE', then i dont thnik that features is a big plus for her (except if she is the type of active and doing a lot of outdoor activities).
I would recommend sk17 (if she doesnt care on how thick and thin it is for all the additional features it has)
I would recommend st17 if she doing a lot of outdoor activities and would like to have some devices that can stand some heavy situation and doesnt care about having hw keyboard for fast typing and front camera for skype etc.
for w17,all are the same with sk and st17 (cpu, ram, gpu etc) but it has slightly larger screen but with lower density. However, the overall design of it might catch her attention.
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WT19i/a has got front camera
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I think the Xperia Ray is the best for a girl, thin, beautyful with a high resolution screen, and there's also the pink one
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WT19i/a has got front camera
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Ermmm.. i think i give out the correct info tho. Maybe you misread what i posted. We are talking about wt17 (xperia active) not xperia live with walkman a.k.a wt19
EDIT: oppss.. i DID mistype in above post. not st17, its wt17 LOL Has been too long in front of computer..
Ask your sis if there are any features or apps that she really wants because there are a couple of major differences between the Ace and the SE phones - most notably, the later Xperias are already running Android Gingerbread and will soon be updated to Ice Cream Sandwich (the latest version of Android) and they support Flash - which the Ace doesn't. In case you don't know, without Flash she will be unable to use a lot of really good sites and content - such as online TV. It is possible to hack the Ace to use an older version of Flash but it's not very good and certainly not good enough for anything like watching TV.
The Ace is a decent iphone-look-a-like - the SE phones don't copy that styling. That's a plus-point for me - I love the SK17i for being different from everyone else's phone.
The Ace has a good sized screen - but the resolution is no greater and it's not a particularly good quality screen - TFT and sometimes a bit lacking in contrast and image quality. The SE phones have superb picture quality but the smaller screens (like the mini and mini pro) may be off putting for some people.
I had a Sammy and the Xperia Mini Pro in quick succession (cos the Samsung packed in after less than a week) and they are both good but the Xperia is a much better phone for the money - looks good, sounds great, superb processor (matches many dual-core in real-world use), terrific picture quality, solid build, excellent ongoing support from SE, full Flash support, ICS on the way.
Going to Android market highlighted the additional features of the SE phones - very few apps say "not suitable for your phone" with the SE thanks to the Flash support and fast processor.
The only major criticism I have of the Xperias is that the cameras are terrible - either through hardware or software, they take all-but unusable pictures considering the claimed resolution - massively over-processed and appallingly low quality in anything other than bright light. Some people have reported sound interference when recording videos on some Xperias - that has supposedly been cured on newer phones but might be worth reading around if video recording is important to your sister.
SE's user forums are very good - plenty of input from SE themselves. Also, they are well laid out and easy to use. Samsung's are a bit of a mess - hard to find anything. SE's product pages are also very good - plenty of genuinely useful information and videos to help you find your way around the phone - Samsung's site is more like a big advert with little practical detail or advice.
One other possible negative for the SE phones - depending on your situation. SE use non-standard headphone sockets which annoys some people. They are usually fine with normal headphones but won't always work with headsets that have built-in microphones.
Basic apps on both Samsung and SE are decent. Both include some junk but I'd say that SE have less garbage that can't be removed (though that may vary of you buy from a service provider). Overall though, since these are android phones, it's so easy to add apps that it's not a big deal.
SE's support software is miles better than Samsungs. Samsung's software is bug-ridden and unstable - SE's is easy to use and reliable offering some nice features like the ability to quickly re-install the same software if the phone play up or is getting sluggish.
I really liked the main screen layout on the Samsung - I'm not so keen on the SE screen with those corners (really just folders that you are forced to use if you don't want to lose real-estate - I wish there was a simple way to switch them off). Even so, it's easy to install and use GO or one of the other launchers to get around any such niggles.
The Samsungs have one feature I really miss - proper controls in the pull-down menu to directly switch features like wi-fi without going into menus. There are a few apps available for the SE's to mimic that but they mostly just provide a shortcut to the menus so are nowhere near as useful.
Samsung's task manager is easy to use. SE don't really have but they claim that their software handles memory so well that the user doesn't need to do it manually.
Samsungs DNLA support is excellent and simple thanks to their ready-made applications - just install "All Share" on your PC and it's all but automatic. SE phones take more work to get anywhere near that stage.
There seems to be a lot more happening with the Samsungs when it comes to custom roms and mods. That may attract some people - others may see it as evidence that more SE owners are happy with the phone as it is. To me, it seems to be largely down to the fact that the SE's already have the later version of Android making many of the tweaks unneccesary. Also, just based on reading through the XDA forums, it appears that it is easier to recover the SE phones if something goes wrong when tweaking - a hell of a lot of people are bricking their Samsungs because it's all too easy to lose the imei data when tinkering with them. On the SE phones, most phones are "cured" simply by using the SE support software to reflash the phone (probably not a big deal for your sister but nice to know that it's so easy to repair a corrupted phone if something goes wrong)
Last point - the males who have seen my Mini Pro think it looks odd because they all have iphone-clones and no imagination - the girls all love it for the size and looks (I'm talking the phone )
@pengipete, thanks for the detailed answer. It seems worth to buy the SE over Samsung.
Now the last question is which model to select, ST15, SK17 or WT19. I am inclined to tell her to buy the Walkman phone.
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i would recommend SK17i, because it looks cute with slideout-keyboard equipped.. and it suitable for girl
Any of those will give her a good quality phone which will not be out-dated too quickly. The Mini is great for being so small, the Mini Pro has the physical keyboard (which is very usable and a major plus-point on such a small phone) and the Walkman looks good and has the better quality speakers.
Best advice I'd give - if the prices are pretty similar or price is irrelevant - ask her which she likes knowing that any of them will be a good phone. It's really just down to looks and her personal taste.
My own preference is the Mini Pro but the world would be a boring place if we all liked the same thing.
You really won't need to do much about the ROM - SE seem to be turning out very stable, usable roms already. Just sort her out a few decent apps and budget for a decent sized SD card if she's going to want to store a lot of music.
Best of luck - and I hope she appreciates you looking after her like this