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***NOTICE***
The ROM Manager version of CWM does NOT wipe battery stats properly, as with many other things. What you need is jt1134's version of CWM that is all happy and works and stuff.
You can find his happy CWM here. And here. And also here.
And here.
Big thanks to LegionTHEFecalExcretion for the heads up on that.
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NOTE: On current DL30 and EB01 ROMs, you will not see battery life like you did on DL09 with undervolted kernels. There are NO undervolted kernels as of yet, everything kernel wise with Froyo ROMs in very much stock. These steps will improve your battery life in comparison to when you flashed Froyo, but you are not going to see spectacular changes in battery life up to what you were getting with undervolted DL09, etc. It's just not possible until we get undervolted kernels and Froyo matures for our device, development wise.
Hi everyone, I've been seeing a lot of threads about bad battery life, whether switching to Kaoscinate, Vanilla, or DL30. Stop it! Just kidding. There is a simple process everyone should follow when switching between different enough ROMs, like AOSP, CM6 and TW Eclair and Froyo. This is how you retrain your battery.
1. Charge your battery to 100% (when it gets there, let it SIT there, your phone is NOT reporting correctly).
2. Reboot to Recovery and Advanced -> Wipe Battery Stats.
3. Reboot, and use your phone until it is VERY low (5-10%, you can let it die if you want).
4. Charge your phone back to 100%
5. (Optional) Power down, then power on phone. (Thanks goes to BrwnSuperman for this suggestion, give it a try!)
Your battery issues should be solved. This needs to be done every once in a while, especially when switching between different ROMs and OS versions.
User dalrym05 posted this alternate method for retraining the battery on page 4 as well, so I thought I would share it here in the OP. I'm posting this as a USE AT YOUR OWN RISK method, as I have not tested it, and am not quite sure what the *228 steps for it actually accomplish and have to do with retraining the OS battery reporting, so I'm leaving it quoted to dalrym05 for the time being.
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Here were my steps to better battery.
1.*228 option 1
2.*228 option 2
3. Run battery completely dead to 0%
4. Plug in and boot immediately into cwm
5. Wipe battery stats and dalvik cache
6. Reboot and let charge fully before unplugging
7. Completely discharge again and fully charge again.
After this you should notice a very nice increase in battery as I did. My battery life is back up to par with eclair.
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NOTE: I did edit his post to make it a little more clear. I'm slightly anal retentive that way.
HybridByNature had an excellent suggestion on page 4. If people have good tips and tricks for maintaining good battery life, and they are easily reproducible, then I will gladly add them to the OP here. What works for you?
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This might also be a good place to add tips & tricks to extending battery life.
IE
-Close programs that you aren't using.
-Don't leave your camera or navigation running in the background.
-Turn off WiFi & GPS etc when you aren't using them.
-Don't run your screen at full brightness if you can help it.
-Figure out what uses more battery life than other things:
Pandora, internet browsing, downloading, camera/camcorder, Angry Birds etc.
If you are rooted, try and narrow it down to the best kernel/theme for your situation. I've found that I have better battery with a non-voodoo kernel but the performance increase is worth it so that's a trade-off that I make.
Let's hear from our readers: What is working for you?
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Would not surprise me if this is all it is. I have turned my phone off at 5% for an hour and turned it back on without charging and then it showed 45%. I know when batteries are low letting them sit a little bit can help, but not that much.
It is just being reported inaccurately by the OS.
This how to has been reposted like 9001 times. But yes, this is one day to do it.
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This how to has been reposted like 9001 times. But yes, this is one day to do it.
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Yes, but not as a thread, it gets posted in everyone else's "Why does my battery life suck ass" threads, so I made this so maybe people would see it and try it before posting another useless question thread in Development.
Definitely works though. Did it yesterday. Good post. It has been posted in other threads ... but I think we all know people don't read through everything very often.
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I have the battery charger and 3 batteries, I always run my battery low and leave it in the charger for a day.
I did this last night and it didn't work too well for me.
Also, when I go to wipe battery stats in the recovery, it doesn't tell me if it wiped or not, just goes back to the advanced menu.
And also, should I be concerned that when I cold boot into the recovery, it doesn't appear to be CWM? It says Android recovery...I know I have CWM recovery installed.
Samerhing happens to me... and I just took it off the charger and I'm on 96 percent in less than 1 min
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Samerhing happens to me... and I just took it off the charger and I'm on 96 percent in less than 1 min
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Wow same here..I just took mine off the charger bout 10 minutes ago and it's at 95% now. I guess I'm gonna let the battery run completely dead and charge it and see what happens.
I did something similar. I charged to 100% while it was on, removed from charger then powered off. When phone was off I plugged charger back in and waited til it was at 100% then unplugged again and powered on. Waited until phone was completely on then unplugged again and connected to charger. Waited til it was at 100% and while still plugged in at 100% booted into recovery and wiped battery stats. Then rebooted phone into OS and unplugged. I had tried this previously with DL09 and it helped a little. Last night I wanted to see how my battery would drain after doing this. With WiFi on and I got about 10 emails during the night, from 8:30pm to 6:00am I lost only 13%!!! Previously I would have lost from 35 to 40%. ymmv
jv
my phone doesnt sleep even though my screen is off... how can i fix that
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my phone doesnt sleep even though my screen is off... how can i fix that
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Spare Parts says "Time spent without sleeping: 53m 15s (100%)
Wow.
If I go to Battery History and change the top dropdown to Partial Wake Usage, it says Android System at the top with a bar that's at least 75% full.
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Spare Parts says "Time spent without sleeping: 53m 15s (100%)
Wow.
If I go to Battery History and change the top dropdown to Partial Wake Usage, it says Android System at the top with a bar that's at least 75% full.
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Looks like Samsung has to make an update or patch to this LEAKED version LOL. I'm so fed up with people failing from Samsung and Verizon for this device.
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Looks like Samsung has to make an update or patch to this LEAKED version LOL. I'm so fed up with people failing from Samsung and Verizon for this device.
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Yeah looks like I'll be going back to DL09.
ataranine said:
Spare Parts says "Time spent without sleeping: 53m 15s (100%)
Wow.
If I go to Battery History and change the top dropdown to Partial Wake Usage, it says Android System at the top with a bar that's at least 75% full.
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Give it some time. I was showing that as well but after about half a day I rechecked and it showed the correct percentage for Running time.
jv
johnnyv5 said:
Give it some time. I was showing that as well but after about half a day I rechecked and it showed the correct percentage for Running time.
jv
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yours was also telling you it spent 100% of it's time without sleeping? Mine's been doing it for 2h 9m 25s...the same amount of time my phone's been on.
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yours was also telling you it spent 100% of it's time without sleeping? Mine's been doing it for 2h 9m 25s...the same amount of time my phone's been on.
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I was pulling my hair out trying to figure this out too. It seems to have solved itself. Right now it is showing 47% usage. Sorry I couldn't help.
Jv
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This is a proven technique, and it takes patience. Seeing the battery drop from 100% down to 95 or 96% after unplugging is normal behavior. I've done this already. Left my phone unplugged overnight and lost 1% battery. If you're too impatient to take the time to do this, that's your loss. You'll see the battery life "improve" over the course of a few days as the reporting gets more and more accurate.
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I agree with supplysidejesus. This is a standard practice and should be done with each major rom or kernel install. This leak hasn't been put long enough for most of us to know what our expected battery life will be yet. Give it a few days for your phones to adjust.
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yours was also telling you it spent 100% of it's time without sleeping? Mine's been doing it for 2h 9m 25s...the same amount of time my phone's been on.
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try disabling gps in the notifications, that worked for me, but once i turn gps on again, it will drive up to a high percentage.
So what is everyone seeing as far as how long their battery lasts?
Is there anything you do to save battery?
Also please remember to post honest estimates, screenshots prefered. Lying about battery usage doesn't help anyone and doesn't make you any cooler of a person
So my first charge looks like it's gonna be in the 8.5-9 hour range. Keep in mind that was a long hard 9 hours of pretty much constant fiddling and playing. My droid pro would have died a couple of hours ago. We will see how the second charge runs.
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Also please remember to post honest estimates, screenshots prefered. Lying about battery usage doesn't help anyone and doesn't make you any cooler of a person
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How does a screenshot prove battery life? If someone was determined to lie about their battery (don't know why they would) how would you know they didn't throw it on a charger in between pics?
Asking to someone to "prove" the feedback they went out of their way to provide is asinine. Either accept the feedback you get, or do it yourself.
POQbum said:
Is there anything you do to save battery?
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Turn off 4G
root and calibrate your battery,
juice defender
Use your phone less often
Turn the display all the way down
Keep Bluetooth off
Keep from searching for wifi networks
Strip out bloatware
Limit what runs in the background
Limit how often apps sync
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After a day of HEAVY usage (AndroIRC full time, forum / web browsing, total of 2 hours talk time, heavy texting, and some gaming) I went through about an 8 hour shift at work. I would put the battery on par with the Droid Charge right now. Although, that was just the first full charge. I'm sure the next one will prove to last longer ... or maybe not. We'll see tomorrow!
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How does a screenshot prove battery life? If someone was determined to lie about their battery (don't know why they would) how would you know they didn't throw it on a charger in between pics?
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It's my understanding that it would be visible under 'Charging' in 'Battery Usage', if someone charged the phone in between pics
Right ?
dusanzk said:
It's my understanding that it would be visible under 'Charging' in 'Battery Usage', if someone charged the phone in between pics
Right ?
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correct, battery statistic applications always say "since plugged in"
How does a screenshot prove battery life? If someone was determined to lie about their battery (don't know why they would) how would you know they didn't throw it on a charger in between pics?
Asking to someone to "prove" the feedback they went out of their way to provide is asinine. Either accept the feedback you get, or do it yourself.
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It would be BAD [email protected]# to see the distracting negative recourse that usually hijacks threads stop.
The screenshot is a 'fool proof' way of showing an accurate read of how long the battery has been off of the charger. If you plugged the device in between screenshots the time on battery would reset and you now would have a screenshot showing LESS time off the charger. I understood the OP to request that the responses be accurate in terms of providing stats paired with usage. In other words dont show a screenshot that reads 22h 31m 17s 'on battery' and say that this 'on battery' time was accrued from 'heavy usage'. I see it all the time in the several different forums I frequent.
IME nursing the data connectivity is an excellent way to increase the battery life. I'm currently on the Bionic and Charge and I, at one time, was a heavy Slacker Radio user which requires a data connection. I now purchase MP3's through Amazon MP3 player and Cloud drive and I download music to my SD-ext and turn off my data for the most part of the day. When I need to use Google maps (I'm a UPS driver) I turn on the data, GPS and WiFi. I placed shortcuts in an easily accessible screen to quickly access the 3 things I mentioned. I regularly see 20+ hrs nursing data, GPS and WiFi.
I'm waiting on a co-worker to get a few weeks of usage on the Razr and give me some feedback before I decide to purchase.
ups2525 said:
It would be BAD [email protected]# to see the distracting negative recourse that usually hijacks threads stop.
The screenshot is a 'fool proof' way of showing an accurate read of how long the battery has been off of the charger. If you plugged the device in between screenshots the time on battery would reset and you now would have a screenshot showing LESS time off the charger. I understood the OP to request that the responses be accurate in terms of providing stats paired with usage. In other words dont show a screenshot that reads 22h 31m 17s 'on battery' and say that this 'on battery' time was accrued from 'heavy usage'. I see it all the time in the several different forums I frequent.
IME nursing the data connectivity is an excellent way to increase the battery life. I'm currently on the Bionic and Charge and I, at one time, was a heavy Slacker Radio user which requires a data connection. I now purchase MP3's through Amazon MP3 player and Cloud drive and I download music to my SD-ext and turn off my data for the most part of the day. When I need to use Google maps (I'm a UPS driver) I turn on the data, GPS and WiFi. I placed shortcuts in an easily accessible screen to quickly access the 3 things I mentioned. I regularly see 20+ hrs nursing data, GPS and WiFi.
I'm waiting on a co-worker to get a few weeks of usage on the Razr and give me some feedback before I decide to purchase.
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It all depends on usage. Some people will have 40+ hours on one charge, while others have 5 hours. Thats equivalent to the people who only use their phones to talk, and dont sync data, vs the people who are downloading new ROMS for their phones while listening to pandora while they are using the GPS to get to work.
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It all depends on usage. Some people will have 40+ hours on one charge, while others have 5 hours. Thats equivalent to the people who only use their phones to talk, and dont sync data, vs the people who are downloading new ROMS for their phones while listening to pandora while they are using the GPS to get to work.
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+1...battery usage is relevant.
90%-20% in about 6 hours of fairly heavy usage.
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I ,am on it a lot, between GPS and general usage, ,but this still seems like too fast to drain compared to what others here have said. I had this problem with my Atrix too, maybe i am just destined for bad luck with battery life
Do you use anything like juice defender. This app literly doubled my battery life!
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Dillsnik said:
I ,am on it a lot, between GPS and general usage, ,but this still seems like too fast to drain compared to what others here have said. I had this problem with my Atrix too, maybe i am just destined for bad luck with battery life
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how much screen on time do u get?
Cozzeck said:
Do you use anything like juice defender. This app literly doubled my battery life!
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Apps like that only increase standby battery life. Everything else is very minimal.
And I'm not happy with the battery life either. My phone is plugged in right now and the battery is actually going down as I use it.
Ready for the HTC One X
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This happened to me since i first got the phone it has slowed down and now the phone can last through the day ever since at&t throttled me for this month goes without saying ill take it easy next month. so most likely if your in an lte area thats the problem
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Apps like that only increase standby battery life. Everything else is very minimal.
And I'm not happy with the battery life either. My phone is plugged in right now and the battery is actually going down as I use it.
Ready for the HTC One X
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If it's notbthe stock charger you areblikely not using a rapid charger.
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I pull mine off the charger at 7:00 and at 3pm or so it's down to 85%, I'll put it on the charger at work until I leave around 5-6pm (mainly because I'm used to having to do this on my previous phone) and at night if I'm not using it constantly it's around 70-75% when I plug it in at bed time.
I suspect anyone getting that bad of battery life must be using it constantly, ie: Playing games, browsing, trolling facebook, etc.. Even in the "new toy" stage I'm getting great battery life.
FYI I don't have LTE, but do generally have good 4G.
You honestly can't use any phone on GPS without external power and expect that you're not going to discharge quickly. Assuming that you are running a car charger during GPS and just didn't say so, search the i-717 threads, since the topic has been well vetted on what chargers are more effective,etc. There are definite differences.
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The fact that there are people out there that get really good battery life means the problem is you and not the phone. If you refresh facebook every minute of course your battery life will be crappy. apps like juicedefender are just marketing crap. as long as there are no running apps in the background that eat your battery, you do not need any juicedefender or tasker. also setting screen-off behavior to conservative on set cpu helps improve battery life.
When I first got my i717 and was using it on the stock rom I had pretty terrible battery life. I take it off the charger at 5:00am and had decent battery life (around 5 to 7 hours without GPS) but I use my phone a lot for internet/email. I think your battery life is completely normal given your usage.
Most people get about 5hrs screen on time. Total on battery ranges up to about 24hrs, but only if the screen is off at least 19 of them.
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lastdeadmouse said:
Most people get about 5hrs screen on time. Total on battery ranges up to about 24hrs, but only if the screen is off at least 19 of them.
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5 hours? Would you mind posting a link to suh a claim? I barely get 12 hours total with 2 hours of screen time.
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khaytsus said:
I pull mine off the charger at 7:00 and at 3pm or so it's down to 85%, I'll put it on the charger at work until I leave around 5-6pm (mainly because I'm used to having to do this on my previous phone) and at night if I'm not using it constantly it's around 70-75% when I plug it in at bed time.
I suspect anyone getting that bad of battery life must be using it constantly, ie: Playing games, browsing, trolling facebook, etc.. Even in the "new toy" stage I'm getting great battery life.
FYI I don't have LTE, but do generally have good 4G.
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7-3 is 8 hours
exactly how much screen on time do you have by the time its at 85% ? because i mean, it can go on standy for days with nothing on
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h0tw1r3 said:
5 hours? Would you mind posting a link to suh a claim? I barely get 12 hours total with 2 hours of screen time.
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i can get about 3 or so
5 hours of screen time AND 19hours standby sounds incredible
would sure like to see screen shot as well
and def dont think 5 hours is any type of avg
I had GPS running on my phone for 4 hours today, had blue tooth on half the time without knowing it, sending text messages, making two 5 min phone calls, checking maps, checking FML and reading a book for about an hour and drained down to about 70% and I have the brightness set at auto. I would exchange it for a new battery.
On average with several texts per hour, several 5-10 min phone calls, taking a few pics and uploading them to picasa, checking facebook, updating status and checking emails I can pull off the charger at 630am and still have 50% battery (at least) by 630pm.
I do have the juicedefender (which isn't crap, it turns off signal after so long so you aren't trolling for signals when you aren't on the phone).
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I had GPS running on my phone for 4 hours today, had blue tooth on half the time without knowing it, sending text messages, making two 5 min phone calls, checking maps, checking FML and reading a book for about an hour and drained down to about 70% and I have the brightness set at auto. I would exchange it for a new battery.
On average with several texts per hour, several 5-10 min phone calls, taking a few pics and uploading them to picasa, checking facebook, updating status and checking emails I can pull off the charger at 630am and still have 50% battery (at least) by 630pm.
I do have the juicedefender (which isn't crap, it turns off signal after so long so you aren't trolling for signals when you aren't on the phone).
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and whats your screen on time for that 12 hour 6am-6pm with 50% still left please?
Just buy a second battery and throw it in at noon. No biggie.
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Just buy a second battery and throw it in at noon. No biggie.
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Was thinking of doing that since they're so cheap but thanks to juice defense I don't really have that issue no more.
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h0tw1r3 said:
5 hours? Would you mind posting a link to suh a claim? I barely get 12 hours total with 2 hours of screen time.
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I had a ss of my buddies yesterday, but can't restore mms lol. There are plenty of other ss in the note section. He was at 22+ hrs with about 4:30 of screen on and some % remaining. I have to charge around 7-9 everynight at 4-4:30 hrs screen on, but my use is pretty heavy. I sync 4 gmail accounts, a separate GV, 3 calendars, and several apps.
If yours is much worse than that, you likely have a few troublesome apps or are playing games. First, after a full charge, reset cpuspy timers, lock it, and set it down for a few hours (I know, impossible). Then check to see that your CPU has been in deep sleep about 95% of the time. If not, use better battery stats to see what has been request wakelocks. Not only the most total time, but the total number. Any app that looks outrageous, freeze it or uninstall it. For system processes that look troublesome, Google. You can often find simple tricks online that will tell you what's causing them to go crazy. Beyond that, turn off syncing of anything that isn't needed or doesn't matter (like Facebook), and uninstall stuff you never use.
Another slight help is the brightness widget (don't use the actual widget, just put the app on your homescreen, it works the same) or dimmer in market as they can both set the brightness to a value of 10 (Samsung lowest stock is 20), and even if you can't tell the difference, it helps. Jkay settings in saurom can set the auto brightness profile slightly darker than stock. Umm, and the obvious, use less Widgets, longer sync intervals, processor scaling and speed profiles, and buy a couple rapid chargers, wall and auto.
A couple things to note after seeing a few of these posts...
BT can be on, but without it searching, connected, or listening it's not active.
GPS isn't active unless its in use aand you see the icon in the notification bar. That being said, fb, websites, and many other apps that request location will activate it.
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YOU MUST CALIBERATE THE BATTERY!! I have no issues I use my phone heavy all day and get 15 hours and I still have 20% left. All you have to do is
1) Charge you phone until it says "charged"
2)Leave phone plugged in and power off and let it charge until the battery meter literally says "100" (screen will sleep so you can check with volume rocker to light screen)
3) power on phone and let boot and than power off and wait till you see 100% again
4) now keep doin this and you will notice it will start displaying "100%" faster and faster usually takes 6-7 times cycling like this
5) After you do this download Battery Caliberation (root required) app from market and hit the caliberate button and boom your good to go
I do this on every android phone I own when I flash a new rom or purchase a fresh one. Everyone should do this everytime you flash a new rom and I can CONFIRM significant battery longevity on all my android phones I have done this with
You only have to do it once so just get it out the way and you'll get through a whole dayand have some juice to play with.
I get 15+ hours and do not any battery juice defender apps
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The fact that there are people out there that get really good battery life means the problem is you and not the phone. If you refresh facebook every minute of course your battery life will be crappy. apps like juicedefender are just marketing crap. as long as there are no running apps in the background that eat your battery, you do not need any juicedefender or tasker. also setting screen-off behavior to conservative on set cpu helps improve battery life.
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Just to be clear here, Tasker has nothing to do with battery life. It doesn't hurt it, nor "help" it. However, you certainly could write tasks/contexts that would decrease battery life, and there are a few scripts out there which do silly stuff like autokilling, etc... But if we're talking "battery savings", Tasker and JD do not go in the same category.
IMO JD is only useful if you're frequently in an area with no signal, like you work in a basement or deep inside of a solidly constructed building. Since you mentioned Tasker, in this context it does help me a bit on battery because my wifi turns off when I leave the house, but that's also something JD can help with. If you don't have a wifi connection it'll turn off wifi (and I believe turn it back on periodically to see if there's one available?) I don't use JD, so can't speak too much for it.
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7-3 is 8 hours
exactly how much screen on time do you have by the time its at 85% ? because i mean, it can go on standy for days with nothing on
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Hour? Hour and a half? I'm working during that period. I usually hit news sites and G+ when I'm first at my desk in the morning, so that's 30 minutes or so off and on looking at it, then perhaps an hour over the rest of the day, sometimes more at lunch.
I'll look closer today and post back.
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YOU MUST CALIBERATE THE BATTERY!!
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Complete nonsense. https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/FV3LVtdVxPT
I've heard several different opinions on this. Condition or not to Condition the battery.
Do we need to condition this thing?
How are you doing it?
What kind of results are you getting?
Thanks in advance.
Matt
Li-ion
The battery is lithium Ion so you really shouldn't have to from my understanding.
People do even tho is not necessary, for some reason I don't but after a few day battery has gotten better
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I mentioned this earlier -- I know it's a li ion that shouldn't need conditioning but when I first got mine my battery life was absolutely horrible. I went through two full discharge/recharge cycles and it seems to be much better now.
Currently 11 hours on battery, 50 minutes screen on, played a couple of games, downloaded a couple of apps, 15 minutes of voice calls, and battery is at 80%.
The way it was when I first got it, I'd probably be at 40 or 50% right now, if not even lower.
I'm also running juice defender and have stopped using the gmail app because you can't set the sync interval on it. Instead I've been using the built in email app and have it set to sync every 30 minutes. Not sure if any of this is doing anything but my battery life is definitely better than when I first got the phone. At first it was so bad that I came very close to just returning the phone.
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I mentioned this earlier -- I know it's a li ion that shouldn't need conditioning but when I first got mine my battery life was absolutely horrible. I went through two full discharge/recharge cycles and it seems to be much better now.
Currently 11 hours on battery, 50 minutes screen on, played a couple of games, downloaded a couple of apps, 15 minutes of voice calls, and battery is at 80%.
The way it was when I first got it, I'd probably be at 40 or 50% right now, if not even lower.
I'm also running juice defender and have stopped using the gmail app because you can't set the sync interval on it. Instead I've been using the built in email app and have it set to sync every 30 minutes. Not sure if any of this is doing anything but my battery life is definitely better than when I first got the phone. At first it was so bad that I came very close to just returning the phone.
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That's true for me as well now that you mentioned it. First day, I got about 4 1/2 hours with it before i was down to 10%. I was shocked! Each day it has gotten a little better. Over the last 36 hours it has last a full days before a charge. It doesn't really make much sense to me that they are li-ion which shouldn't need conditioned but it seems that we do need to do this. A friend suggested I condition it when I got it and before I started heavily using it, I guess he was right.
Li-ion batteries don't need conditioned. Any signs of conditioning you see may be some sort of conditioning/learning of the OS.
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Li-ion batteries don't need conditioned. Any signs of conditioning you see may be some sort of conditioning/learning of the OS.
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What he said.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries/
BonesHopkins said:
Currently 11 hours on battery, 50 minutes screen on, played a couple of games, downloaded a couple of apps, 15 minutes of voice calls, and battery is at 80%.
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See this kinda stuff freaks me out. I had one decent charge so far, had the phone a week, have been doing full discharge/charge the whole time. Sitting at 38% right now on 16 hours, about half of that was asleep with power save on (its been dropping 20-30% overnight) and only 48 minutes screen time. I dunno how long it should take to improve but it seems like its not taking this long for anyone else.
erikk said:
What he said.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries/
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What they said.
This is a very informative site. I've quoted it's recommendations concerning the circuit in the battery that needs calibration before......
here's the link to that page there.....
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/battery_calibration
codo27 said:
See this kinda stuff freaks me out. I had one decent charge so far, had the phone a week, have been doing full discharge/charge the whole time. Sitting at 38% right now on 16 hours, about half of that was asleep with power save on (its been dropping 20-30% overnight) and only 48 minutes screen time. I dunno how long it should take to improve but it seems like its not taking this long for anyone else.
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How long do you usually sleep for???
Seriously though, 20 - 30% overnight sounds like a lot. I tested mine and it dropped about 8% in roughly 7 hours of zero use while I was sleeping. I think even that is a little excessive but I can live with it.
Have you tried running something like Juice Defender? It seems to have made a difference with mine. When I got my S3 last week it was about the same as yours. I did a couple of complete discharge/charge cycles, installed juice defender, and have been going into the task manager and app manager and turning off all the crap that doesn't turn off automatically. It has made a difference.
Oh, and I also did the APN trick to disable LTE. Not sure if that has made any difference but with everything combined the battery seems to be doing a lot better than it was at first.
Don't "they" say that you should not use task managers as they don't work well with the phones? I'm no expert here, so don't quote me, but my understanding is that the One S and Siii owe a lot of their excellent battery lives to their own internal task managing.
Correct me if I'm wrong here.
ickster said:
Don't "they" say that you should not use task managers as they don't work well with the phones? I'm no expert here, so don't quote me, but my understanding is that the One S and Siii owe a lot of their excellent battery lives to their own internal task managing.
Correct me if I'm wrong here.
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The internal task managing is the reason you shouldn't use 3rd part task managers. That's the whole point. Android has done this since 2.0
Having said that, there's nothing inherently wrong with killing a task that is misbehaving... most things that say not to use task managers really mean to not (a) turn on auto task-killing, or (b) kill tasks across the board, albeit manually, under the false impression that freeing up RAM is a good thing.
When you guys say full discharge do you mean draining the battery till it shuts off or going down to 10%, I was under the impression that fully discharging would harm the battery.
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When you guys say full discharge do you mean draining the battery till it shuts off or going down to 10%, I was under the impression that fully discharging would harm the battery.
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I discharged it till zero. Then I turned the phone on and let it shut off again. I did this until the phone wouldn't even try to turn on any more.
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I discharged it till zero. Then I turned the phone on and let it shut off again. I did this until the phone wouldn't even try to turn on any more.
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Doing this enough times has the potential to damage your battery. Leaving it at 2% - 5% will not make a difference in the "calibration" compared to completely killing the battery.
Killing the battery may work for you, but I want others to be aware of the potential of damaging the battery.
Just my 2cents for the day.
Here. Is a link to battery charging for Li-ion. I have another site that is great in explaining these things. I have a couple of R/C trucks and this info is great to know and have. The same applies. To our phones charge rates. I would hope that when a dev makes up or mods a kernel that they have a basic knowledge of charge rates and the rest of the equations. Foe our batteries this is literally. Life and death. It could also cause a phone to burst into flames. Especially. If we use after market batteries that have poor protection circuitry in them.
I will find the other link later and post it up here to give a possible better understanding of these things. But, try not to rely on me as I tend to forget things a lot. Car accidents will do that to you when you crush your skull. Any way, GIYF.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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You basically only need to do the "calibration" once. And the phone has limits set that will neither undercharge nor overcharge them.
edit I think heat is your batteries worst enemy.
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I discharged it till zero. Then I turned the phone on and let it shut off again. I did this until the phone wouldn't even try to turn on any more.
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This is the WORST thing you can do to a Li-Ion battery. I mean literally you can lose 10% of its life from doing this or even cause the battery to stop charging at all.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
Li-ion should never be discharged too low, and there are several safeguards to prevent this from happening. The equipment cuts off when the battery discharges to about 3.0V/cell, stopping the current flow. If the discharge continues to about 2.70V/cell or lower, the battery’s protection circuit puts the battery into a sleep mode. This renders the pack unserviceable and a recharge with most chargers is not possible. To prevent a battery from falling asleep, apply a partial charge before a long storage period.
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Seriously everyone should spend a couple hours on that site at some point. Half the information will probably be way over your head (or at least it was mine) but there's enough good information that even half of it is definitely worth learning.
Here is the other site that I was talking about. Though it is for R/C battery packs it should still grant a measure of understanding to the workings of these batteries.
http://www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-lipo-batteries.html
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BonesHopkins said:
I discharged it till zero. Then I turned the phone on and let it shut off again. I did this until the phone wouldn't even try to turn on any more.
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Take into account though. These batteries have circuitry. Built into them to prevent you from truly discharging. It all the way. That doesn't mean that it can not discharge all the way. Things like humidity can play its roll in taking a Li-ion or Lipo battery past the kill zone point. If you know that you will not be using the battery for a good period of time or it is strictly an in case of an emergency battery. Place it into a plastic bag and suck out all of the air that you can and seal it. A zip lock bag works best. Place it in the refrigerator or freezer. There is very little moisture. In there. And what ever moisture makes its way in when you open the fridge. Or freezer will not have time to get into the zip lock bag. The lack of moisture slows the discharge process down especially in the summer. Also the chilling of the battery's chemical. Compounds slows the molecular interactions down. Its a helpful two fold process.
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Am envious to those who managed to use their phone for more than a day. I bought this phone for about 2 weeks now and have done the normal full charge for 8 hours on the first time. Since then, I have fully charged twice and let the battery gone flat once. I have flashed Neutrino rom and currently Latveyit rom, and the battery last best 12 hours so far.
I charged the phone to 94% at about 7pm and just made two calls and two text messages. I did a navigation on maps for about 15mins max. By about 11pm, battery is at 57%, I play some games for about 10mins and went to bed, in the morning it's about 35%. I realise that the first 50% really goes fast and after that it's pretty decent until less than 20% and it drains fast again. Background application I have are the normal chat programs, whatsapp, viber, kakaotalk, skype and ebuddy. I have waze running in the background although I think it shuts off after 15mins. I have a mix of wifi and 3g usage, usually on wifi though. Is this normal?
edit: I also have Lookout antivirus running
All your chat programs running in the back ground prevent your device to sleep correctly, they wake it up every time they check if there is a new message.
Try to keep only the apps you use and try for each app to increase the check delay or disable it.
The antivirus does help.
2 weeks is a bit early to make a comment about the battery.
Download Battericalibration from the market and use it every shift rom change.
Read about topic on the forum but not become a maniac in "battery life".
If the screen stays lit for 5-7 hours the battery will be empty in like 7-8 hours. If you only speak 1 hour at it the battery will be empty in 3 days.
All depends on how you use it!
Sorry for bad english.
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clod007 said:
2 weeks is a bit early to make a comment about the battery.
Download Battericalibration from the market and use it every shift rom change.
Read about topic on the forum but not become a maniac in "battery life".
If the screen stays lit for 5-7 hours the battery will be empty in like 7-8 hours. If you only speak 1 hour at it the battery will be empty in 3 days.
All depends on how you use it!
Sorry for bad english.
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I thought that the chat programs will only cause problems if there are frequent messages since they're base on push?
2 weeks is early? How does that affect the battery's performance? I thought when it's new, it's most optimum and slowly degrades through time? The screen was off most of the time unless I was doing anything I mentioned or just checking the time which is just on, check then off. I don't think I am paranoid over the battery life, just curious how to get it over a day.
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I thought that the chat programs will only cause problems if there are frequent messages since they're base on push?
2 weeks is early? How does that affect the battery's performance? I thought when it's new, it's most optimum and slowly degrades through time? The screen was off most of the time unless I was doing anything I mentioned or just checking the time which is just on, check then off. I don't think I am paranoid over the battery life, just curious how to get it over a day.
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In my opinion the battery reaches her max in 3-4 weeks.
Download the app from the market and use it after every rom change.
I didn't called you paranoic, just that you mustn't be so worried.
My recomandation for a longer battery life is CM7.
GOOD DAY!
Read forum for more details.
Sorry for my english!
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You might try 1Ghz faux kernels as well. They seemed to have helped my battery life considerably.
Chek out what apps you have running in the background and be sure you set youre network yourself (my phone was always changing from 2g to 3g and after i selected the network myself it gave me a 1day + boost .
And you shoud know that the litium polimer batteryes are affected by cold temperatures.
I wish you luck!
I did use cm7 (neutrino) and got about the same battery life span as the current rom (laytveyit), and am currently on the faux 1ghz kernel. Anyway, I will see how it performance in the weeks to come and hopefully the newer version of the rom will improve it. I thought cold temperature helps preserve the battery's life span?
EDIT: Thanks for all the advice!
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Am envious to those who managed to use their phone for more than a day. I bought this phone for about 2 weeks now and have done the normal full charge for 8 hours on the first time. Since then, I have fully charged twice and let the battery gone flat once. I have flashed Neutrino rom and currently Latveyit rom, and the battery last best 12 hours so far.
I charged the phone to 94% at about 7pm and just made two calls and two text messages. I did a navigation on maps for about 15mins max. By about 11pm, battery is at 57%, I play some games for about 10mins and went to bed, in the morning it's about 35%. I realise that the first 50% really goes fast and after that it's pretty decent until less than 20% and it drains fast again. Background application I have are the normal chat programs, whatsapp, viber, kakaotalk, skype and ebuddy. I have waze running in the background although I think it shuts off after 15mins. I have a mix of wifi and 3g usage, usually on wifi though. Is this normal?
edit: I also have Lookout antivirus running
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Lol all those chats are you problem imo
The "standard" apps used to figure out what's eating your batteries are:
BetterBatteryStats: for wakelocks
CpuSpy: to tell if you phone is going into deep sleep or not
Built in Battery Usage: to see a pretty graph and tell what's using the most juice
SystemTuner: I just recently started playing with this, lots of information.
Look up BetterBatteryStats here up XDA. There's plenty of threads on how to use it. Look up wakelocks.