I'm Just wondering since we have 2.2 now, do you think that we enjoy using our phones more because we have 2.2/2.3 or do you think its was overhyped because of the frequent updates of other companies? Personally I believe I enjoy my x10 more since the mods came out and i like the fact that there are more apps available to me and I think its nice to have the Gallery app as a default. Also the JIT compiler is nice to improve the speed of the device but maybe we overhyped the benefit of 2.2.
What do you guys think?
not really... bugged DT, no 16m collors, no official froyo with everything working, 30FPS limit.... it's my fault i bought this phone because of it's good looks before i read about it...
2.2 is definitely an upgrade, spending 10 months on a phone that can't browse properly after my 2 year old n95 had Flash was very frustrating, although I have it installed I still think dueltouch is a nice feature but very overrated, don't care much for 16m colours but in retrospect the X10 wil be my last SE phone for the simple reason that they didn't keep there promises.
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to be fair though we got dual touch and flash support now, x10 currently quite laggy in custom froyo, not sure whether it's hardware related or tweaking. it's not comparable with other high end device.
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Leonidas300 said:
2.2 is definitely an upgrade, spending 10 months on a phone that can't browse properly after my 2 year old n95 had Flash was very frustrating, although I have it installed I still think dueltouch is a nice feature but very overrated, don't care much for 16m colours but in retrospect the X10 wil be my last SE phone for the simple reason that they didn't keep there promises.
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What promise did they break? None that I know of, and they gave us dualtouch after selling this phone as incapable due to hardware. They only said update to 2.1. Misinformation like this is what is causing all this ill-will for SE.
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They may not have broken a promise but they fail to adhere to standards we have come to expect from devices of the same type. Theres no real excuse. Sony should have stepped up there game to put them in a good light. Now people will be hesitant to buy an se phone if they have so many short comings. I feel that 2.2 brought a lot of key features which made me enjoy my phone much more
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arj154 said:
They may not have broken a promise but they fail to adhere to standards we have come to expect from devices of the same type. Theres no real excuse. Sony should have stepped up there game to put them in a good light. Now people will be hesitant to buy an se phone if they have so many short comings. I feel that 2.2 brought a lot of key features which made me enjoy my phone much more
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Again, Misinformation! Failed to adhere to standards... blah blah blah? Android and smartphones are a new developing technology, and what is standard in this type of industry is here today gone tomorrow. SE is still developing this device, and will continue to do so on 2.1. We have had 4 recent updates with more coming. SE's mistake was being honest and open about their intentions before they realistically needed to. We just got 2.1 in November.
Pretending now that having the latest OS is expected for the X10, when we all bought this phone knowing it came with outdated 1.6 is ridiculous. It boggles my mind. What universe do live in?
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16m colors was a promise..
Anyway i don't even care about official updates, se's version of android sucks in my opinion.
I'm quite happy with freex10. If it want for the devs on here with custom ROMs i would probably hate my phone..
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Again, Misinformation! Failed to adhere to standards... blah blah blah? Android and smartphones are a new developing technology, and what is standard in this type of industry is here today gone tomorrow. SE is still developing this device, and will continue to do so on 2.1. We have had 4 recent updates with more coming. SE's mistake was being honest and open about their intentions before they realistically needed to. We just got 2.1 in November.
Pretending now that having the latest OS is expected for the X10, when we all bought this phone knowing it came with outdated 1.6 is ridiculous. It boggles my mind. What universe do live in?
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I fully understand that technology is developing rapidly specialy in the mobile phone game believe me and i think you fail to understand what i mean by standards. I mean standards as in the ones set by other manufacturers. Take the HTC desire for example. 2.2 wasnt out when it was launched however they updated it to 2.2 when it was available. HTC have changed the android device quite heavily with there senses UI yet they were still able to produce a 2.2 update for the phone.
I understand you may be angry at the moaners who say it should be updated to 2.3 or it should be updated as soon as the source code for 2.x is released. You've got to understand that we have bought a device which is capable of running a newer OS but SE haven't implemented a newer version.
Yes props to them for getting dual touch working but it seems like they havent fully gotten up to the standards of other manufacturers and they should try to do this otherwise they will fall behind.
When people like us buy a phone, we look to see if its going to be up to date in a year. The x10 is failing to get up to date in 6 months and its already being put on the sidelines. Yes sony are releasing updates but they seem to be too fragmented. The 2.1 update didnt have exchange, 16mil colours etc these features should've been included from the start.
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I fully understand that technology is developing rapidly specialy in the mobile phone game believe me and i think you fail to understand what i mean by standards. I mean standards as in the ones set by other manufacturers. Take the HTC desire for example. 2.2 wasnt out when it was launched however they updated it to 2.2 when it was available. HTC have changed the android device quite heavily with there senses UI yet they were still able to produce a 2.2 update for the phone.
I understand you may be angry at the moaners who say it should be updated to 2.3 or it should be updated as soon as the source code for 2.x is released. You've got to understand that we have bought a device which is capable of running a newer OS but SE haven't implemented a newer version.
Yes props to them for getting dual touch working but it seems like they havent fully gotten up to the standards of other manufacturers and they should try to do this otherwise they will fall behind.
When people like us buy a phone, we look to see if its going to be up to date in a year. The x10 is failing to get up to date in 6 months and its already being put on the sidelines. Yes sony are releasing updates but they seem to be too fragmented. The 2.1 update didnt have exchange, 16mil colours etc these features should've been included from the start.
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You expect too much, that's your problem. Say if you buy something today, are you expecting it to be updated? Like your car for example? Or Windows 7? You have to buy a new one...
Don't expect anything. Buy it, if you like it. Buy a new one, if you want a better model. Always works that way. You always have a choice...
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You expect too much, that's your problem. Say if you buy something today, are you expecting it to be updated? Like your car for example? Or Windows 7? You have to buy a new one...
Don't expect anything. Buy it, if you like it. Buy a new one, if you want a better model. Always works that way. You always have a choice...
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Im sorry but I completely disagree. Companies like Sony should be pressured into competing with other manufacturers and I think your car example isnt relevant. If the car was capped at 40mph when it could do 120mph then it may be applicable or if a new computer came with windows 98.
If we didnt have any expectations then the market wouldnt move forward. Smartphones would be a stagnated market and there would be no competition. These standards drive competition and I'm not crazy for having them and I'm sure many people on this forum feel the same way.
You may think I'm expecting too much but all I want is for sony to keep up with other manufacturers and ensure that the phone reaches its full potential. If I had a phone which was half the power of the x10 e.g. 512mhz processor, 128mb RAM etc then I would be happy with 2.1 and a number of updates to optimise the phone. I would accept that its not capable and wait until i can afford an upgrade but this isnt the case. We know the x10 is capable of running 2.2 and it brings too many benifits for sony to ignore.
I see that your quite a stubborn person and you seem to be quite happy with sony trickling out updates as theyve done with all there phones. I know you probably havent read or fully taken in what I've said so please can you just let this go so the thread can get back on topic? I dont want to continue this argument as it seems youre too stubborn to talk to. I've repeated myself a number of times on this thread and I stand by my views that Sony should keep up with every other manufacturer.
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You expect too much, that's your problem. Say if you buy something today, are you expecting it to be updated? Like your car for example? Or Windows 7? You have to buy a new one...
Don't expect anything. Buy it, if you like it. Buy a new one, if you want a better model. Always works that way. You always have a choice...
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And by your logic manufacturers will always be free to screw their customers over just because for the past few years it's become the norm for them to release and shortly after, forget their handphones. And the x10 isn't even old. Android has changed the game. HTC gets it.
Is it unreasonable to expect Froyo on a device that by CURRENT standards, is still very competitively specd? And who cares if SE never promised Froyo for the first gen Android Xperias? We've got Froyo running thanks to some awesome devs here at xda, and the bootloader cracking is an ongoing project. There is still so much to do. So just sit back and watch.
To me, 2.2 is a significant upgrade. I know that SE plans to update the x10 but with improvements to 2.1 only. Thats fine, and props to SE for the support. But 2.2 is what this device really needs.
The X10 hardware is very crap..
So in my opinion SE can shove it.
2.3, 2.5, 3.0 won't fix the hardware..
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Im sorry but I completely disagree. Companies like Sony should be pressured into competing with other manufacturers and I think your car example isnt relevant. If the car was capped at 40mph when it could do 120mph then it may be applicable or if a new computer came with windows 98.
If we didnt have any expectations then the market wouldnt move forward. Smartphones would be a stagnated market and there would be no competition. These standards drive competition and I'm not crazy for having them and I'm sure many people on this forum feel the same way.
You may think I'm expecting too much but all I want is for sony to keep up with other manufacturers and ensure that the phone reaches its full potential. If I had a phone which was half the power of the x10 e.g. 512mhz processor, 128mb RAM etc then I would be happy with 2.1 and a number of updates to optimise the phone. I would accept that its not capable and wait until i can afford an upgrade but this isnt the case. We know the x10 is capable of running 2.2 and it brings too many benifits for sony to ignore.
I see that your quite a stubborn person and you seem to be quite happy with sony trickling out updates as theyve done with all there phones. I know you probably havent read or fully taken in what I've said so please can you just let this go so the thread can get back on topic? I dont want to continue this argument as it seems youre too stubborn to talk to. I've repeated myself a number of times on this thread and I stand by my views that Sony should keep up with every other manufacturer.
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No, smartphones would be a dead market if every phone got free updates for as long as the customers felt entitled, and no one ever had to buy another phone. Thereby stagnating growth. The more phones they sell, the faster this technology will develop. The great thing is its users can pick up where the manufacturers leave off.
Did you buy a service contact with this device? No, that is what is standard with companies that offer continual support. This product has a life of approx two years. It's a disposable product, and not meant to be used longterm.
I think one reason for there is such a disconnect is because younger and younger people are using technology. While they can use the device better than their elders, they are not wise in the ways of how things work in the real world. Life isn't fair, and nothing is free. This is the first product in modern history that I can think of that gets free updates and upgrades. You're going to be extremely disappointed if you think this is how business works.
Even HTC has issues their users aren't happy with, and HTC is owned by Google who created Android, so current OS is to be expected. Like fruit and iPhone. SE isn't selling their own OS.
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No, smartphones would be a dead market if every phone got free updates for as long as the customers felt entitled, and no one ever had to buy another phone. Thereby stagnating growth. The more phones they sell, the faster this technology will develop. The great thing is its users can pick up where the manufacturers leave off.
Did you buy a service contact with this device? No, that is what is standard with companies that offer continual support. This product has a life of approx two years. It's a disposable product, and not meant to be used longterm.
I think one reason for there is such a disconnect is because younger and younger people are using technology. While they can use the device better than their elders, they are not wise in the ways of how things work in the real world. Life isn't fair, and nothing is free. This is the first product in modern history that I can think of that gets free updates and upgrades. You're going to be extremely disappointed if you think this is how business works. Even HTC has issues their users aren't happy with, and HTC isn't going to fix. Google who created Android also owns HTC, so more is to be expected. Like fruit and iPhone.
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omg your incredibly ignorant and your clearly not reading what im saying. Im not expecting free updates forever. Im just expecting them to upgrade it to 2.2. Also did HTC abondon the HTC desire at 2.1? no they upgraded it to 2.2. I completely agree that its not economical to provide updates for free all the time.
You've got to move with the times too. We will demand updates, android is the platform which will push manufactures to develop phones with the current version of android.
I would gladly pay for an upgrade if it came to that, so its not an issue of money. Its about brand reliability, a lot of phone manufacturers rely on this. I have heard from so many family members who have owned sony erricson feature phones that have been put off by there software so its also the issue of the quality of there products.
You seem to thinks its fine just to stand by and let a company give you a faulty product. I mean if you got a burger which was completely undercooked and was not the way you expect it to be then you would complain. Its the same principle here.
You have a very jaded outlook on life it seems, i mean if you listen to the latest podcast of windows weekly, even paul thurrot has the same problems with windows phone 7 where micrsoft arent releasing updates fast enough to keep up with the competition. (and btw im pretty sure he's just over 40 so its not a generational gap).
In an ever critical industry that is technology, companies need to keep good brand reliability to keep on top of things.
Froyo provided the following benefits over Eclair:
- JIT compiler
- V8 javascript engine
- OpenGL ES 2.0
- App2SD
- USB tethering
- Wifi hotspot
- Bluetooth voice dialing
- MS Exchange support
- access to Adobe Flash 10.1
- access to Adobe Air
Seeing as how the first three provide significant speed boosts (we're seeing greater than 100% performance gains on 2.2 vs. 2.1 with JIT enabled), they alone are worth it. App2SD is pretty important as well, as SE saddled us with pretty measly app storage (especially when their custom apps are taken into account).
Now from what I can see, Gingerbread is less of an upgrade from Froyo (at least for the X10). But then SE hasn't given us Froyo.
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omg your incredibly ignorant and your clearly not reading what im saying. Im not expecting free updates forever. Im just expecting them to upgrade it to 2.2. Also did HTC abondon the HTC desire at 2.1? no they upgraded it to 2.2. I completely agree that its not economical to provide updates for free all the time.
You've got to move with the times too. We will demand updates, android is the platform which will push manufactures to develop phones with the current version of android.
I would gladly pay for an upgrade if it came to that, so its not an issue of money. Its about brand reliability, a lot of phone manufacturers rely on this. I have heard from so many family members who have owned sony erricson feature phones that have been put off by there software so its also the issue of the quality of there products.
You seem to thinks its fine just to stand by and let a company give you a faulty product. I mean if you got a burger which was completely undercooked and was not the way you expect it to be then you would complain. Its the same principle here.
You have a very jaded outlook on life it seems, i mean if you listen to the latest podcast of windows weekly, even paul thurrot has the same problems with windows phone 7 where micrsoft arent releasing updates fast enough to keep up with the competition. (and btw im pretty sure he's just over 40 so its not a generational gap).
In an ever critical industry that is technology, companies need to keep good brand reliability to keep on top of things.
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Me ignorant? Your the one who bought the device with the oldest OS, and are expecting it to suddenly be running the latest. You assumed to the point of feeling entitled to additional OS updates beyond what the specs for the device clearly stated, 2.1. You know what they say about assuming? It makes an ass out of u and me.
Yes it would be nice for additional updates, and maybe even expected if additional development didn't have to be done to make it work on the x10, but you are overestimating the number of people who feel jaded. We, in the forums, are a small percent, and the number who feel ripped off like you is only a portion of that.
The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Every product has unsatisfied customers. If not we'd all be buying the same device. The Xperia was never marketed as having the latest Android OS. It had great hardware like 8 mega pixel camera and 1 GHz processor. If you wanted the latest OS, you should have bought HTC, the device of the Android developer Google.
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Me ignorant? Your the one who bought the device with the oldest OS, and are expecting it to suddenly be running the latest. You assumed to the point of feeling entitled to additional OS updates beyond what the specs for the device clearly stated, 2.1. You know what they say about assuming? It makes an ass out of u and me.
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Yup, SE has made an ass out of you and me.
I bought SE because I had SE phones in the past, I liked the style and functions and I especially liked the supplied software for the PC. I've unbranded them too.
In the case of the X10, I went back to look at my review in September on Amazon just a few moments ago. I expected a AT&T 2.1 by the end of the year, and I thought that once the X12 was released, SE would give us a 2.2 also, since the phone was still in warranty/service. No one new about 2.3/2.4 at that time. I thought that because the phone only had 384mb RAM it wouldn't be able to handled 'Gingerbread' without 512mb which was the rumor at that time for it's specs.
Additionally in that review, I said that the phone was compromised by not having noise cancellation, and that SE was very slow at updating it, but for good reason.
What PO's me is the unexpected shortened term to EOL. EIGHT MONTHS ON ATT? This is almost unheard of. SE's PC companion software for this phone is not as robust as the prior versions and the USB driver for flashing doesn't work on XP SP3 and they won't fix it. They tell you to upgrade to W7.
Due to shortcomings in the Android OS which I did not investigate as much as I should have, simple things like bluetooth devices that I have from SE don't WORK FULLY with either 1.6 and 2.1, I need 2.3 to get the full function back for devices that are YEARS old and worked fine with $50 phones.
Most of my current annoyance at the situation right now is due to the abandonment of the phone by both AT&T and SE. Yeah, they are updating stuff, and AT&T is certainly trying to wait it all out so they only have to approve/screw up a singe firmware update.
I really really want to hear from AT&T and SE that they will upgrade the phone to the Arc for the subsidized or further reduced price without contract extension or penalty fees, but I don't think AT&T is going to carry it or SE very quickly (again).
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Yup, SE has made an ass out of you and me.
I bought SE because I had SE phones in the past, I liked the style and functions and I especially liked the supplied software for the PC. I've unbranded them too.
In the case of the X10, I went back to look at my review in September on Amazon just a few moments ago. I expected a AT&T 2.1 by the end of the year, and I thought that once the X12 was released, SE would give us a 2.2 also, since the phone was still in warranty/service. No one new about 2.3/2.4 at that time. I thought that because the phone only had 384mb RAM it wouldn't be able to handled 'Gingerbread' without 512mb which was the rumor at that time for it's specs.
Additionally in that review, I said that the phone was compromised by not having noise cancellation, and that SE was very slow at updating it, but for good reason.
What PO's me is the unexpected shortened term to EOL. EIGHT MONTHS ON ATT? This is almost unheard of. SE's PC companion software for this phone is not as robust as the prior versions and the USB driver for flashing doesn't work on XP SP3 and they won't fix it. They tell you to upgrade to W7.
Due to shortcomings in the Android OS which I did not investigate as much as I should have, simple things like bluetooth devices that I have from SE don't WORK FULLY with either 1.6 and 2.1, I need 2.3 to get the full function back for devices that are YEARS old and worked fine with $50 phones.
Most of my current annoyance at the situation right now is due to the abandonment of the phone by both AT&T and SE. Yeah, they are updating stuff, and AT&T is certainly trying to wait it all out so they only have to approve/screw up a singe firmware update.
I really really want to hear from AT&T and SE that they will upgrade the phone to the Arc for the subsidized or further reduced price without contract extension or penalty fees, but I don't think AT&T is going to carry it or SE very quickly (again).
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You know, even if AT&T gave us the update I bet most people, including myself, would stay generic because of AT&T's attempt to block us from non-market & some market apps. Even if SE gave us 2.2+, we would still be hacking it and installing our own custom ROMs and themes. The xda Xperia developers are the ones who have it rough.
I believe AT&T will do something for us. I am in a unique situation. I bought my X10a on November 10, during the update fiasco and I was told my X10a was coming already updated to 2.1. It obviously didn't. During the many phone calls since, they have always told me that I don't need to return the phone because something was around the corner. I'm sure everyone who has bought the X10a since has been told something similar.
Ps. I got the USB drivers to work on the flasher on my XP SP3. I remember having to find them and install myself, but I don't have any trouble.
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Just read the shocking news that sonyericsson WILL NOT give any update after the Eclair to the X10 family including the X8.
But all the Android phones they release will have the 2.3.
J read that in sonyericsson UK
That is really a bad news :|
http://www.xperiax10.net/2011/01/06...-will-not-receive-upgrade-to-froyo-or-beyond/
and here
http://www.xperiax10.net/2011/01/06...ys-its-android-2-1-update-is-better-than-2-2/
Long live SE! had great experience with SE but now its finally over bb SE!! till never!!
Any update on Froyo ROM for Xperia X10 mini pro?
Paid upgrade
I can see why phone makers can't keep on updating their phones to new versions of android or any other OS.
Android evolves quickly and to expect constant upgrades to every new version is a bit much. Also: how long should the manufacturer keep upgrading the phone? 1 year? 2? 3?
I know SE has done many things wrong:
Heavy deep customization of the OS (makes upgrades hard).
Very wide line of hardware and regional version variaition in the same product.
Badly managed software team
I am starting to think of phones as computers. If you want to upgrade from windows xp to windows 7 you pay. If we started paying for upgrades we could demand better faster updates and the company would have a financial reason to do the upgrades. I think this is the most reasonable model. The initial phone cost can't justify eternal upgrades IMO.
Hopefully the x10mini will get ROMs soon. In a perfect world SE would leave the phone truly open and hackable anyway.
I wonder if an unofficial froyo was made for the X10 family ,what would the UI looks like?
I hope this is a rumor anyway or that sonyericsson will listen to the complains.
i wrote a petition... i can't post a link 'cause i'm new but...
the link
Www.petitiononline.com/x10free/petition.html
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the link
Www.petitiononline.com/x10free/petition.html
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Thank you!!
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Hopefully the x10mini will get ROMs soon. In a perfect world SE would leave the phone truly open and hackable anyway.
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That's something I don't understand. Is it common for other manufacturers too? I guess not. I see absolutely no reason for those obstructions. As always if You want sell Your phone then usualy use tools to reflash it back to original FW. Nobody will buy hacked phone for no reason. Make phone open is not disadvantage. Only reason is that SE want us to buy new phones and FW should be one of many reasons. They know potentional of X10 phones and they know it can run even gingerbread without any hassle. So that's the only reason I see, the business.
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I can see why phone makers can't keep on updating their phones to new versions of android or any other OS.
Android evolves quickly and to expect constant upgrades to every new version is a bit much. Also: how long should the manufacturer keep upgrading the phone? 1 year? 2? 3?
I know SE has done many things wrong:
Heavy deep customization of the OS (makes upgrades hard).
Very wide line of hardware and regional version variaition in the same product.
Badly managed software team
I am starting to think of phones as computers. If you want to upgrade from windows xp to windows 7 you pay. If we started paying for upgrades we could demand better faster updates and the company would have a financial reason to do the upgrades. I think this is the most reasonable model. The initial phone cost can't justify eternal upgrades IMO.
Hopefully the x10mini will get ROMs soon. In a perfect world SE would leave the phone truly open and hackable anyway.
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SE said they'd keep working on software updates for (at least? im not sure) 2 years. I do agree that a mediascape-update is quite different from an entire OS-upgrade, but still... The X10 Mini Pro is like 6 months old! What are they thinking of updating for 1.5 year?! The Mediaplayer?!
Still, I've read something about the Mini & Pro being able to get some updates the bigger X10 can't. The topic was about 2.2/2.3 so I just hope this particular post was on-topic. Not quite shure though and I can't find it anymore... :S
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I can see why phone makers can't keep on updating their phones to new versions of android or any other OS.
Android evolves quickly and to expect constant upgrades to every new version is a bit much. Also: how long should the manufacturer keep upgrading the phone? 1 year? 2? 3?
I know SE has done many things wrong:
Heavy deep customization of the OS (makes upgrades hard).
Very wide line of hardware and regional version variaition in the same product.
Badly managed software team
I am starting to think of phones as computers. If you want to upgrade from windows xp to windows 7 you pay. If we started paying for upgrades we could demand better faster updates and the company would have a financial reason to do the upgrades. I think this is the most reasonable model. The initial phone cost can't justify eternal upgrades IMO.
Hopefully the x10mini will get ROMs soon. In a perfect world SE would leave the phone truly open and hackable anyway.
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SE big and rich company, I think that they have enoth money! If we just paid for new update, its not interesting for se. Most interested - to bring new devices with new software! That's all
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ptpoul said:
I can see why phone makers can't keep on updating their phones to new versions of android or any other OS.
Android evolves quickly and to expect constant upgrades to every new version is a bit much. Also: how long should the manufacturer keep upgrading the phone? 1 year? 2? 3?
I know SE has done many things wrong:
Heavy deep customization of the OS (makes upgrades hard).
Very wide line of hardware and regional version variaition in the same product.
Badly managed software team
I am starting to think of phones as computers. If you want to upgrade from windows xp to windows 7 you pay. If we started paying for upgrades we could demand better faster updates and the company would have a financial reason to do the upgrades. I think this is the most reasonable model. The initial phone cost can't justify eternal upgrades IMO.
Hopefully the x10mini will get ROMs soon. In a perfect world SE would leave the phone truly open and hackable anyway.
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ptpoul said:
I can see why phone makers can't keep on updating their phones to new versions of android or any other OS.
Android evolves quickly and to expect constant upgrades to every new version is a bit much. Also: how long should the manufacturer keep upgrading the phone? 1 year? 2? 3?
I know SE has done many things wrong:
Heavy deep customization of the OS (makes upgrades hard).
Very wide line of hardware and regional version variaition in the same product.
Badly managed software team
I am starting to think of phones as computers. If you want to upgrade from windows xp to windows 7 you pay. If we started paying for upgrades we could demand better faster updates and the company would have a financial reason to do the upgrades. I think this is the most reasonable model. The initial phone cost can't justify eternal upgrades IMO.
Hopefully the x10mini will get ROMs soon. In a perfect world SE would leave the phone truly open and hackable anyway.
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Yes we shouldnt expect infinite upgrades but we should get more than 6 months or so. I think that SE should state how long they should provide support for their products with at least 2 years, as a lot of people have to sign up to plans of this length we they obtain their phone. We all know that these phones are capable of running at least 2.2
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The other thing that should happen is, if they wont support their phone they should open up the bootloader etc so others like the awesome guys here at XDA can support their phones
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I am starting to think of phones as computers. If you want to upgrade from windows xp to windows 7 you pay. If we started paying for upgrades we could demand better faster updates and the company would have a financial reason to do the upgrades. I think this is the most reasonable model. The initial phone cost can't justify eternal upgrades IMO.
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if we had Windows7 phones then yea, I could agree with you, but our phones are essentially Linux powered and Linux is Open source...
I have been running Ubuntu on my laptop for years now and I always get upgraded to the latest version.. free of charge, all SE needs to do is lose the SE bull****, make the phones stock Android (I mean no one buys the phones for timescape) then updates would be easy. (I think thats what they plan to do on their 2nd generation Android phones, I suggest if you want 2.2 or 2.3 you will need to buy a new phone.. the question is wether SE has learnt their lesson with the X10 range.. or if they continue to shoot them selves in the foot with customizations.. I for sure am going to wait a few months before replaceing my X10.. see how the new SE phones are (re bootloader and software) then make my decision on what phone to buy.. I quite like the SE hardware and design (and I was a nokia fan before, but I was sick to death of Symbian) so I have no problems buying an HTC or Samsung next if SE doesn't sort their ****.
anyway.. peace, and hope the our bootloader gets cracked soon.
so let me get this right my x10 mini pro WILL get 2.3 for real???
No .. future releases of new PHONES will get 2.3 according to SE
I was thinking with all this bashing SE thing with the update.. Have we guys ask our selves:
1. When we buy this phone, do SE promise something other than eclair(2.1)
2. when we buy this phone its already 1.6 and they are very transparent with that.
3. do you think SE will upgrade our phone every now and then.
- Linux(Ubuntu) and other alike, gets updated because it is more of a hobby/colaboration of a group "WITHOUT" string attached than commercially produced product(SE). (Correct me if Im wrong but that is only my opinion).
4. Why would they upgrade their product to froyo? you already bought their product, all they need to do is fix bugs/issues that will be found on their current phone with its current OS, either software or Hardware.
5. Upgrading their phone will only make it harder, since they have to support existing user with 1.6, 2.1 and now 2.2 (if froyo will ever get out).
6. So why not make it hackable or install Basic Android.? They will not. because, it will make it harder for them to Identify who's the culprit if they're product/phone dies. They can do it, but they'll have to remove the "support" for their phone.
Guys, Its not that I don't want Froyo or latest software be pushed on my device, but at-least we should also be reasonable with our wishes.
Do you guys, really want Froyo on our X10 Mini, or Do you want Froyo or 2.3 on next generation X10 Mini?
But still want froyo on my x10 mini. hahahahahah
@pongscript
If you take a look, all most all the manufacturers have updated their sets with Froyo, if they can do it, why can't SE? They are not smaller then others, right?
Also if they update the versions all together than the don't have to worry of supporting an outdated version, which would have well known unresolved bugs
Keeping the system updated should not be such not a big deal! They already have all the drivers and stuffs, They just need to make a build with all the updates and put it up in the server. if the XDA guys can do that without having access to all of the necessary drivers and stuffs, WHY IN THE HELL with all the access they can't do it!??
- Linux(Ubuntu) and other alike, gets updated because it is more of a hobby/colaboration of a group "WITHOUT" string attached than commercially produced product(SE). (Correct me if Im wrong but that is only my opinion).
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Wrong, There are few people works out of hobby yes, but in the core there are dedicated people and groups. For Ubuntu its Canonical who provides commercial support and also have a big community support. Also take a look at Redhat Linux.
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PC and Smart phones are not same, yet. In PC you can change the bootloader at your will but in phones you can not as most of the smart phones are locked down (Except Google Nexus series and HTC I think). So you cannot update yourself. If they want to charge for update, they also should free up the boot loaders, so that I can do my own upgrades. But it they are keeping the boot loaders locked, They are bound to give me my upgrades cause they are not letting me do that. Period.
If they decides to dump us then just give us option so that we can get rid of their trash and update our system by ourselves. If they had done that with X10's then I would understand. But they wont do that. And that's why I am dumping them from my buying list next time.
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Keeping the system updated should not be such not a big deal! They already have all the drivers and stuffs, They just need to make a build with all the updates and put it up in the server. if the XDA guys can do that without having access to all of the necessary drivers and stuffs, WHY IN THE HELL with all the access they can't do it!??
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I think, the answer..its a big issue its because it more of a business thing rather than community work, we here at xda help each other to benefit one another, and but SE as a commercial corporation only goes for the money, other than that they don't have any use for us. yeah, SE might be an evil, but every company is like that, not all company update their phone, actually good phone will never got/or should not be updated. but I guess in android world its different.
Its not that Im on SE side, nor any companies side, but I guess if they always keep up with android, additional man power for development will be needed which equals to extra cost. other business induce this kind of practice to be competitive but in long term it is not very reasonable. android is kind of past phase software evolution.
In reality, X10 mini is a success story which does not really succeed. they fail when they try to copy non-replacable battery of IPhone. same view point that tells you, you will not have the same phone after a couple of years.
But who does not want the next generation x10 mini. if they focus more on current mini they might not have enough people to work for other new device.
Im quite contented with My X10 mini, as long as the phone works upgrade is just a bonus but not a necessity. New update will only make the battery go bad, because you have to explore it again- and again for new thing. heheheheh..
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Wrong, There are few people works out of hobby yes, but in the core there are dedicated people and groups. For Ubuntu its Canonical who provides commercial support and also have a big community support. Also take a look at Redhat Linux.
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Ok Got it, thank for correction, though on red-hat you need to buy license for support(but not for software), support including updates for issues. our company have these type of license, but there is no real life use for this. some update is only to support new hardware. which is not currently being used by our company.
But In the end, we all want to force SE to give us froyo. but what does froyo have that really worth it.
http://www.reghardware.com/2011/03/29/sony_ericsson_android_boot_loader_unlock/
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sadly, only for NEW xperia phones.
For earlier products such as the Xperia™ X10, we cannot allow the boot loader to be unlocked due to technical and legal reasons.
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From the official Blog.
I truly believe most smartphone makers have missed the boat. They have chosen not to harness the power of community.
Nokia tried with the maemo community and the n900 phone. They just screwed it up so bad they managed to alienate their passionate developers and users.
Seriously: shouldn't ericsson be handing out prizes to the best devolopers? Hire them? Buy their ROM and use as a basis of their own updates? It would be faster and they would get community support.
I would be sponsoring the forum and be offering technical support as needed if I was running SE.
It is a bit crazy. most companies would kill for the passion people show here.
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For earlier products such as the Xperia™ X10, we cannot allow the boot loader to be unlocked due to technical and legal reasons.
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i think they forgot how they locked it
Hi guys i posted a thread on the sonyericsson facebook page jere is the content:
Why have you stopped updating a phone that has not even been out for 12 months, instead of updating our phones or unlocking the bootloader but doing it for your new models stinks its only because you got enough complaints from x10 users that you finally caved in to public demand and decided to implement 2.3 and multitouch
The x10 mini pro has a multitouch capable screen more so than the x8 or x10 , it is also a newer phone than the x10 but you say you have no plans to add these to the mini pro there are many reasons to update the phone apps2sd,jit,security and bug fixes that the users of this phone are asking for.
How can you continue to tell your paying customers what they want instead of listening to them and implementing the changes that are viable and in the case of apps2sd are pretty much required when you use more than a few apps the phones memory is not sufficient.
The lack of transparency in your updates and how your taking on board our feedback needs to be more than'' ill pass that on to the developers'' as a person who has worked in the mobile industry in the uk for 5 years and been a user of sony ericsson phones from the t68 and before the merge zg5 i i have become very disillussioned with your phones and company so much to the point that i will not buy or recommend another sony ericsson phone with this type poor customer service.
One of the main things i learnt in the customer service side of my job was to take ownership of a customers problems and not pass the buck which is what you seem to be doing everytime someone has requested that you make an update available had i not have had these issues i would have bought the xperia play(i know the bootlader for this phone is unlocked but will void the warranty) but with your poor form recently i dont think ill be buying another one of your companys phones due to:
poor amount of updates for the software
poor response and lack of response to customer feedback
poor battery life
lack of internal storage due to lack off apps to sd
lack of jit
that awful sony ericsson blue theme that cant be changed
the charging issue that means i cant turn the phone on but the led flashed red for some amount of time
Will you at least update this phone to 2.3 and not fob your customers off with buck passing responses as it think it is the minimum required from your company for a phone that is less than 12 months old
Here is the address, http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=35313373389&topic=24567
i dont really expect anything to come from this but i figure the more people that complain or add comments to this would be appreciated to highlight our frustrations
this is more to do with the fact that we are relying on the awesome owain to do this and seen the despair when he got rid of his mini pro it was almost as if the whole reason ive kept my mini pro til now had gone, now he has another im releived
but this doesnt change the fact that we the x10 mini pro users are relying on a 16 year old guy from holland to make our phones work the way they should have done from day one and continue to be updated for at least 12 months from the date of release the main fact is the phone is <12 months old and not being supported
Owain94, I think you're right))
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Thanks guys for posting on se but can we keep it mostly constructive don't want to scare sony off before we get a reply.
I know they suck donkey balls buck we might get less chance of a reply after this we should start a topic there to get owain a job from them he's more brains than their whole team
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S1 doesn't suport fastboot...
I just don't get this nonsense. I get why companies are screwing this all up but what I don't get is why we all continue to allow this. The Android update process is broken and there have been a flood of articles on the net talking about the subject. Not one that I have read has come even close to the right solution. Really testing what little faith I have left in the human race. Why so dramatic? Because we have been using the model for our Windows PC for years and yet in somebody's great wisdom chose what we have here and now. Cmon!
Could you imagine getting your Windows PC updates from Time Warner Cable? What a disaster that would be right? What do you think would happen with our PC updates? Exactly what we are dealing with right now on Android. I just don't see what the problem is. Google develops and distributes the OS and updates directly to the end user. The phone manufacturer supplies the appropriate drivers on their website and the carrier keeps their greasy mitts off my phone. Win win for everyone.
I posted this because I think its the best solution. Its better than what we have now that's for sure. What I'm hoping to get out of this post is that you either agree with me or you have a better solution we can all get behind and push for. I know the Windows way isn't perfect and some things will have to be done differently but we don't need to be concerned with all the details. In other words for Example.....Dear Verizon, Samsung, Google. This is how we want out updates. Just get it done and deal with it.
Full Disclosure: Yeah I'm posting this because I'm pretty heated this hasn't been seriously addressed yet. I'm heated more people aren't pushing for more of a Windows update process. I'm heated because I bought a Galaxy Nexus this time around to avoid this and still getting screwed. I'm heated because All my phones have greater potential and we are proving it here at XDA everyday.
One more thought. We really shouldn't be buying our hardware from the carriers either. All any of them have proven so far is that they can run a pretty stable dumb pipe. Every other venture has failed. Like Vcast. I just dont trust them with what may soon replace my wallet among many other things. It could very well be our most personal possessions in these times and they control every aspect we allow them to. It needs to stop. What do you think? Do you want the windows way? Or do you have a better idea?
Long term there are definitely some issues that need to be fixed with Android.
Bloatware is one of the things that annoys me, and judging from the reviews left on Google Play, it annoys everybody. I'm fine with them preinstalling crap on my phone even though I don't like it, PC OEMs have been doing this for years. But it should be completely uninstallable without root.
For OS updates I see no reason why minor versions (ex: 2.3.6 to 2.3.7) can't be distributed from Google to all phones. These updates shouldn't affect drivers and would be similar to Windows Updates. But more people are concerned with major version updates which can't be done this way as they involve driver and/or kernel updates.
Google has a very hands off policy when it comes to Android it seems. OEMs are given a lot of freedom and Google doesn't do much to help them bring updates quickly. This hands off approach may have been a good business model in the early days of Android when Google just wanted to get it out there by any means possible, but I think they need to be more involved now. They should allow OEMs in on development earlier by giving them access to early builds of the next version similar to how Microsoft does. The reason PC OEMs get the newest version on their systems so quickly is because OEMs and hardware manufacturers get to use betas even before the public can. This model may not work on Android, but I really think Google needs to reassess their stance on Android, its not 2009 anymore.
This sort of issues with android is holding back...a lot of companies like presonus (pro audio) dont even bother with developing controlling software for their hardware on android...
Its a shame because we have some very capable hardware but ať least with apple **** they do the work once and it works...
If they were to make applications and have to deal with different hardware and screen resolutions they wouldnt have time to do their job..
A shame that oné day i might have to buy an iPad because of them
the long and short of it is no, at the moment they cant. Windows works because it is a modular kernel which allows for drivers to be installed and therefore easy customisations to be made. Linux is a monolithic kernel which means it needs all drivers for all configurations of hardware in it and then it uses the ones it needs. Android uses the linux kernel so it is difficult to support all the different kinds of hardware on phones in one kernel without it getting huge and hard to manage.
That is before you get to the need to have basebands/amss working with the kernel to provide mobile phone connection and hardware management. You also need bootloaders, recovery consoles etc to work on every phone. Only once those components are in place can you start to talk about keeping the android system up to date on top of those.
Google can't do it all unless they start over and make tools that are compatible with all kinds of hardware.
The easiest way is probably to make a google certification requirement that all manufacturers must support phones through 2-3 major update cycles. That does mean the end of cheap phones and lots of different and smaller niche products though.
Personally I think that the new hardware requirements for ICS are going to mean the end of ldpi and maybe even mdpi android phones as well as anything without a gpu, less than 512mb of ram and a 1ghz or so cpu. Maybe once the hardware becomes a bit more uniform, it will start to get easier to keep up to date too.
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Hello to all! :fingers-crossed:
As you know, HTC has decided not to pursue certain MAJ who were scheduled yet on our beloved models. I invite you to sign the petition on line for validate your displeasure by HTC company policy to its customers. Click "sign" [/ b]...
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/petitions-recovery-update-htc-flyer/
Here is another link to a petition for SHD posted...
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/give-us-ics/
Here is the text of the petition posted for the flyer:
Distinguished leaders marketing HTC,
We call out to date show you our dissatisfaction your decision not to propose to the SHIFT ICS (where possibly another) Obviously your ad had the effect of a Treason in the world to the owners of Tablet Flyer famous who have seen this act deliberate killing programmed from HTC.
Indeed, the Flyer is your only so far shelf and it will not be entitled to benefit from last improvements in google.
We do not understand your approach knowing that this product has one year old! From a customer relations standpoint, it is totally outrageous.
There may be a technical problem because the Developers are most certainly the height to solve some technical problems. If it turns out that this is a business decision, we think this is a huge mistake and that it wrong in the sense of logic, why private that a better enchant owners.
Other products have also seen a change radical from you.
We ask you to please rethink your decision on the judgment of the SHIFT shelf Flyer because it is your duty as provider mobile phone to offer the best services and follow-up to these clients to be missed manner most who follow you from the beginning.
The angry customers! ...
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People...HTC is not obligated to provide us anything besides basic hardware/software support. They are not required to give us a upgrade, heck they aren't even required to give us bugfixes. When you buy a tablet or phone you are buying it with the current software load, meaning you need to make sure you are happy with what it runs and how it runs. Can we PLEASE stop beating this horse?
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People...HTC is not obligated to provide us anything besides basic hardware/software support. They are not required to give us a upgrade, heck they aren't even required to give us bugfixes. When you buy a tablet or phone you are buying it with the current software load, meaning you need to make sure you are happy with what it runs and how it runs. Can we PLEASE stop beating this horse?
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Hello,
It's your perspective and you've made, it is!
This is not the generality of people who think that, already after just seven months of existence, it simply removes purtement and the evolution of the tablet, this is not normal.
They are not obliged to provide it to us for free, okay, at least that we are proposing an alternative to évolution.
Knowing that the products were sold frozen and for the typical person, not necessarily easy to change OS as two shirts!
If you can afford to buy every two weeks, good for you and too bad for us ...
CDLT
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@thewadegeek:
As far as I recall, there is some kind of agreement between Google and the main manufacturers to give proper support/updates for products for at least 18 months after its initial release.
Now, as the HTC Flyer has been released < the mentioned 18 months I expect HTC to honor that agreement.
And please do not forget that the HC update was rubish and should not be called an update but a downgrade (as some features do not work (as well) as they did before).
If you would own a car, and for some reason they upgraded some kind of software @ the garage which resulted in non functioning blinkers/signal lights and you had to put your hand out of the the window everytime you are about to switch lanes or make a turn in order to warn the other drivers about your actions, would you accept that? I WANT MY HARDWARE BUTTONS BACK!!!
Everyone is free to make his voice heard and if you don't like topics like this one, than please .. by all means .. stay out.
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@thewadegeek:
As far as I recall, there is some kind of agreement between Google and the main manufacturers to give proper support/updates for products for at least 18 months after its initial release.
Now, as the HTC Flyer has been released < the mentioned 18 months I expect HTC to honor that agreement.
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It's SUPPORT not upgrade, and in no way does SUPPORT entail a UPGRADE.
And please do not forget that the HC update was rubish and should not be called an update but a downgrade (as some features do not work (as well) as they did before).
If you would own a car, and for some reason they upgraded some kind of software @ the garage which resulted in non functioning blinkers/signal lights and you had to put your hand out of the the window everytime you are about to switch lanes or make a turn in order to warn the other drivers about your actions, would you accept that? I WANT MY HARDWARE BUTTONS BACK!!!
Everyone is free to make his voice heard and if you don't like topics like this one, than please .. by all means .. stay out.
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First off I LIKED the upgrade, so you can't make a blanket statement calling it rubbish. The pen support with Honeycomb is pretty slick and I enjoy it. Second that's not a valid comparison, in that case they removed REQUIRED functionality, in this case they just replaced it with something else. And if you want your hardware buttons back then downgrade, or install Lee's Honeycomb. Viola. Your last statement is TOTALLY contradictory friend, first you says we can all make our voice heard, and then you tell me to stay out. Also the purpose of a forum is for discussion, you all seem to just want people to agree with you. I'm just getting tired with everyone starting a new petition or "HTC sucks" thread. If you feel betrayed then deal with it, HTC has done nothing legally wrong so everyone is stuck.
What are we talking about? What in the world is a SHIFT Flyer Ics? Is this a petition to ship Flyers with Need for Speed SHIFT on them? I'm confused
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Cor-master said:
What are we talking about? What in the world is a SHIFT Flyer Ics? Is this a petition to ship Flyers with Need for Speed SHIFT on them? I'm confused
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Lol. ( its just Google translate)
To all:
Something is not happening right. We are arguing on wrong issues. Some points I noticed and I would like to emphasise upon are:
1. Yeah they gave us honeycomb. But its not perfect. Chiefly the internet browsing experience. Internet is the soul of computers, tablets, smart phones, ipads etc. and we need a solid browser to experience it, which is not there. It leaves a lot to be desired considering:
a. Flyer has 1gb ram, a powerful processor, 1 GB system ROM, Enough Internal Memory
b. Initially it was sold for exorbitant price (700$+, though mine 32 gb, 3g cost $390)
c. It was told by Google about an year back that all devices should be supported till 18 months.
Yeah, flyer has beautiful features like pen, hd cams, srs, mhl out, brilliant screen, top battery. But it lacks a solid browsing experience. In my view what the majority of us want is a solid browsing experience. Now that comes with a HC update or ICS update will not matter to me.
Many people are talking of broken GPS. If its really broken, then its HTC's duty to repair it, not the developers'. If its not broken, we should forget about this issue. Now if someone says it requires just a change in config file to repair it, I agree to it but this small repair forces you to root and risk bricking.
On another note of doctorlirio campaign: he should not have raised the issue of GSM calls with HTC. HTC didn't give us calling functionality, xda did.
So, why we are always wanting better? Because it has become our need and habit to stay ahead and overcome the weaknesses of our devices. We can't stand any weakness in our devices. And for me, a solid browsing experience is my primary need where my flyer doesn't satisfy me fully. Whether its HTC or developers, we always want better for our devices.
( though opera mobile works a little better in browsing, but sometimes ( may be often) it also fails to function perfectly on high load web pages.)
Lastly, I feel that, its a little too late now for us to keep chasing HTC. ( though HTC is to blame for a weak internet browsing experience and those who paid exorbitant sums for buying this are even more right in blaming htc)
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To all:
Something is not happening right. We are arguing on wrong issues. Some points I noticed and I would like to emphasise upon are:
1. Yeah they gave us honeycomb. But its not perfect. Chiefly the internet browsing experience. Internet is the soul of computers, tablets, smart phones, ipads etc. and we need a solid browser to experience it, which is not there. It leaves a lot to be desired considering:
a. Flyer has 1gb ram, a powerful processor, 1 GB system ROM, Enough Internal Memory
b. Initially it was sold for exorbitant price (700$+, though mine 32 gb, 3g cost $390)
c. It was told by Google about an year back that all devices should be supported till 18 months.
Yeah, flyer has beautiful features like pen, hd cams, srs, mhl out, brilliant screen, top battery. But it lacks a solid browsing experience. In my view what the majority of us want is a solid browsing experience. Now that comes with a HC update or ICS update will not matter to me.
Many people are talking of broken GPS. If its really broken, then its HTC's duty to repair it, not the developers'. If its not broken, we should forget about this issue. Now if someone says it requires just a change in config file to repair it, I agree to it but this small repair forces you to root and risk bricking.
On another note of doctorlirio campaign: he should not have raised the issue of GSM calls with HTC. HTC didn't give us calling functionality, xda did.
So, why we are always wanting better? Because it has become our need and habit to stay ahead and overcome the weaknesses of our devices. We can't stand any weakness in our devices. And for me, a solid browsing experience is my primary need where my flyer doesn't satisfy me fully. Whether its HTC or developers, we always want better for our devices.
( though opera mobile works a little better in browsing, but sometimes ( may be often) it also fails to function perfectly on high load web pages.)
Lastly, I feel that, its a little too late now for us to keep chasing HTC. ( though HTC is to blame for a weak internet browsing experience and those who paid exorbitant sums for buying this are even more right in blaming htc)
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I came to that conclusion today about Web browsing actually. I wanted something that would be as useful as a laptop and Web browsing has never been stellar on it. And the best Android Web browser isn't available on it!
Senseless helps with browsing big time but unfortunately I still find myself grabbing the laptop and getting frustrated with the browser when I need to get something done.
As for everything else its perfect but the one thing I bought it for is its greatest weakness. I didn't buy it expecting any update, but I was hoping we'd get ics to fix the Web browsing. Web browsing is fully gpu accelerated in ics and my phone whether I'm running chrome or the stock htc browser is pc quality. The flyer is more akin to my old captivate.
Firefox might be the answer if they ever optimize it for tablets
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Anybody think we'll get some kind of update pushed out allowing us to unlock our bootloader now that lg wont be making phones anymore?
I'm honestly surprised no one has chimed in. At all. These are some great phones. Being able to root and customize would make this phone a ton better. But I don't think lg cares at all.
I wouldn't count on it, personally. I'm frankly surprised that they've committed to 2-3 major OS upgrades (or as many years of support) for their post-2019 flagships as is, like our V60. I think that, beyond I suppose a renewed focus on their software update department, they're just going to completely wash their hands with mobile. And I still think they'll ultimately fail us on that promise of 2 to 3 years of software support. With no more active R&D and development on new devices and their software, we can probably completely rule out refreshed UIs and just expect bi-monthly security updates, maybe Android 12 on our V60s, and perhaps Android 13 on the Wings and Velvets. If that. I'm still extremely skeptical.
Edit - Edited to fix the supposed final Android versions for the V60s, Velvets, Wings, etc.
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I wouldn't count on it, personally. I'm frankly surprised that they've committed to 2-3 major OS upgrades (or as many years of support) for their post-2019 flagships as is, like our V60. I think that, beyond I suppose a renewed focus on their software update department, they're just going to completely wash their hands with mobile. And I still think they'll ultimately fail us on that promise of 2 to 3 years of software support. With no more active R&D and development on new devices and their software, we can probably completely rule out refreshed UIs and just expect bi-monthly security updates, maybe Android 11 on our V60s, and perhaps Android 12 on the Wings and Velvets. If that. I'm still extremely skeptical.
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We do hace android 11 for V60, at least TMobile model. I wouldnt bet on A12 though. They should release bootloader code and what not though so we can at least get a bootloader unlock and aim for custom roms and such. Just because there backing out of the smartphone business now dosent mean there isnt a chance for comeback later. If they just screw everyone completely right now there not only ruining chances of a future comeback but also ruining there already bad name.
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We do hace android 11 for V60, at least TMobile model. I wouldnt bet on A12 though. They should release bootloader code and what not though so we can at least get a bootloader unlock and aim for custom roms and such. Just because there backing out of the smartphone business now dosent mean there isnt a chance for comeback later. If they just screw everyone completely right now there not only ruining chances of a future comeback but also ruining there already bad name.
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Yeah, I'm on AT&T and got A11 a couple of updates back. I too would be shocked to get A12 as well, though it sounds like they're at least planning on supporting the V60 that long. They have no real interest in catering to folks who jailbreak or root, as that makes up an infinitesimally small part of their potential demographic. In other words, catering to folks like us that post to forums like this isn't going to be any kind of factor for them in the short-term or long-term future, IMO. We are not the audience that makes or breaks their mobile business, and we never will be. As for the post you quoted, I meant to say "maybe Android 12 on our V60s, and Android 13 on the Velvets and Wings." (stress on the "maybe). I'll fix that post.
I would love to see it, but I will not hold my breath. Would provide a great deal of goodwill toward the company.