how many firmwares, can xda devs firms ware, when the firm they wear, cares not for warez?
ok - delete this... o.. maybe not...
44.44% would rather have one single GingerBread ROM over anything else, excellent!
Keep the vote's rolling, let's find out what people really want!
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What was that? It makes me even more excited since it's deleted
hehe, to bad you deleted the first post, it was very well said
MrHassell said:
how many firmwares, can xda devs firms ware, when the firm they wear, cares not for warez?
ok - delete this...
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What?-....-........
Delete lame 'roms' - firmware stools
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What was that? It makes me even more excited since it's deleted
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Well half these firmwares could be deleted here and nobody would notice. There is some kind of trend to spit out firmwares, confuse people calling them ROM's and act like it's in the name of progress?
Where I sit, all this cloning is not flattering, it's more akin to theft and I'm sick of seeing all these useless crap ware - camera doesn't work - because you copied J? Z? - Oh where did you get that Cyanogen Mod from.. etc.. ha
Took a bit from here and bit from there... rebadged, rebranded, lifted, ripped - whatever.. it's funny for 5 minutes but it's just happening more and more and becoming - BORING!
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hehe, to bad you deleted the first post, it was very well said
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he`s half right about what he wrote.
obviously the ones and only that made a "almost fully" rom for ours x10, was/is Z, J and T.
but one interesting thing is. a few months ago, when i see this so called 2.1 roms never read anything about it. and they were called "rom".
i give that opinion on those times...nobody give a **** about that...
but if we go further, they don`t do any roms aswell. they pick some here, some there, mix all together and...hey, it worked...great.
the ONLY way we can have a TRUE custom rom is when we crack the f..k`in BL, untill now...
my understanding is:
this so called roms are...mod roms.
but thats just me
I think the Z J and trip are really developer.THX them
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Well half these firmwares could be deleted here and nobody would notice. There is some kind of trend to spit out firmwares, confuse people calling them ROM's and act like it's in the name of progress?
Where I sit, all this cloning is not flattering, it's more akin to theft and I'm sick of seeing all these useless crap ware - camera doesn't work - because you copied J? Z? - Oh where did you get that Cyanogen Mod from.. etc.. ha
Took a bit from here and bit from there... rebadged, rebranded, lifted, ripped - whatever.. it's funny for 5 minutes but it's just happening more and more and becoming - BORING!
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Well I can understand your point of view, even if I don't share it. Giving the people possibilities to choose from isn't the worst thing. And by modding one "ROM" in many ways, a lot of heads think about solutions for bugs and problems. In that way it actually is in the name of progress
Regarding the word ROM: I think most xda users are used to have ROMs for their phones and since the different firmwares we have for the X10 behave like a ROM in most aspects, it would be more confusing to call them firmwares, even if it is more correct...
Too funny
Honestly, I really kicked a hornets nest here - haha - Wow!
It's not really about names, firmwares and roms, apples and oranges etc.. I'm just really perplexed by the sheer volume of unfinished projects some blatantly ripped without any credit to the authors and more than anything, the sheer uselessness of the majority.
It's great that people want to contribute something, so how about downloading the favorable 'rom' (if it makes you feel cool.. or whatever) and make your contribution and then ONE BETTER, instead of uploading the whole schamozzle of mish mash..
Just the mods' that matter? I.E; Changed the Framework-Res.apk and a few apps, then do what Sempeternal does and release an update.zip! - Include screen shots.. but the whole firmware for a theme.. seem's overkill..
Put this in context, not naming names here but I downloaded a GingerBread a while back and it had one single app.. aside from that it was a virgin clone of another guy's rom - with no credit or even value... and it's nearly every day I'm seeing someone pop up with another CM or something and it's actually.. distracting.
Personally I'm 150% behind the work of Z, J and Sempiternal (my favorite theme is the new HC) which looks awesome on any GB modified firmware, even on Eclair and Froyo.
That is what I'm talking about! - Semp really knows what time it is and releases amazing work, free of charge. Best of all across any flavour, without any nonsense! All killer - no filler
Ginger!
i would say gingerbread and a cyanogen brew (which J would start to cook up soon^^)
i mean, who doesn't want the latest version of the most powerful android rom?
Since this is a thread opened for discussion, allow me to do exactly that. The below is strictly my own opinion and not a rant and/or an attack aimed at anyone.
I'm extremely disappointed at the way things are moving in the X10 Dev section. There are dozens of unnecessary half cooked 'ROMs' that're of no practical use. The blind self-righteous and immature dev worshipping present in the thread is shockingly mind numbing. Ask questions, even valid ones, and you're swarmed by these retarded sheep who respond back with insults and personal digs. One user even told me to go buy another X10 when I supported another user who posted a question for the Dev. about the the newer basebands, especially since the Dev himself mentioned that the newer baseband support may [or may not] come. Regardless, the question was for the Dev. and not the sheep.
Just when I feel consoled read something that hints at *some* progress being made with the current firmware, I find myself reading another post, after a while, which takes on a completely different direction. The firmware suddenly gets dropped in favor of a newer/<some popular ROM> which, then, necessitates the Dev. to re-engage himself with the long list of functions and features that aren't working. In essence it means, we're back to ground zero. Why is that necessary? It's a fact that we aren't going to see a 100% functional port because of the locked bootloader - so wouldn't it make more sense to concentrate on just 1 firmware and make it as perfect as possible, with the omission of things that wouldn't be working due to the locked down bootloader?
I sincerely think we need just *2* FIRMWARE threads in the Dev. area - one for 2.3.x and one for 2.2.x. The CM additions can be easily had by installing the CM Settings app, the themes etc. on top of whichever edition one chooses. There's no need to have a complete 'ROM' uploaded with the same critical and few non critical issues.
I should reiterate, the above is simply my own opinion and is in no way a rant or an attack on anyone.
Yes too many rom. Devs should work together to make a perfect room than every dev make their own rom better.
There are developers... and chefs... devs develop the software. Cooks or chefs take ingredients or parts of software and mix or cook them. If you have been a long member of xda you would know that this has always been how it is for EVERY phone that is on this site... but more so this thread propably should be moved to a different section.
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It's never wrong to share. If you don't like it, just don't download. It's that simple.
And from what I see, credits are given where it's due. Many don't even ask for donation. And they don't pretend to be a dev like J, Z & T.
Yes these are mods & tweaks. But some really did a nice job - like wolfbreak's rom - it's fast and stable with a great look.
It's always good to have choices. IMO their threads are much more useful than this thread which contributes nothing.
Of course you don't have to agree with me and I don't have to agree with you
People on here seem to have the mistaken impression that if devs came together we would have a perfect rom instead of several roms that have bugs... That is not the case. We would just have less choice, the bugs would still remain, things like the camcorder and camera issues don't just get fixed overnight. It's nice to see peoples own twist on things, sad to see some people don't appreciate this..
cobrato said:
It's never wrong to share. If you don't like it, just don't download. It's that simple.
And from what I see, credits are given where it's due. Many don't even ask for donation. And they don't pretend to be a dev like J, Z & T.
Yes these are mods & tweaks. But some really did a nice job - like wolfbreak's rom - it's fast and stable with a great look.
It's always good to have choices. IMO their threads are much more useful than this thread which contributes nothing.
Of course you don't have to agree with me and I don't have to agree with you
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Agreed with u...
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I personally would like the developers and the site to do the following.
1. Sticky the First Rom post from each guy, and only allow him to update it and a second post.
2. All comments, questions regarding it should be in a separate thread of the same title appended with [Discussion], which should be culled (or have a strike through put the heading) from the system the moment the dev releases a new version.
I for one, can not go through hundreds or thousands of posts most of which are not relevant any longer to the current version of the firmware/baseband whatever update. IT's very intimidating, and onerous on the reader- even professional IT people. I can't imagine what someone from a non-technical bent sent here by someone - "Hey you can get an update for that at XDA!" thinks when they encounter some of these 2,000+ plus postings.
The developers should take a bit of responsibility and update the first or second posts with any new issues that crop up from the discussions. You should not have to read 50 posts in to a thread to find out that there is a step missing in the install or a new bug has been confirmed. I've burned two X10's myself due to bugs and unclear instructions that were later corrected.
Meanwhile, I'm happy to support with money these guys, even though I have not actually put a 'custom' firmware onto any of my phones. I have put/used the tools that have been provided to do other things like JIT and rooting/updating SE firmware. I am looking forward to seeing a fully functional update to give me some of the things that are not available in 2.1 so I can get better applications. I think that not having some items like Hotspot, Tether and even 16m color on the display which require kernel updates are not that important since tether/hotspot can be added via applications in the market.
I don't think there can be a better example of why we don't need random people come up with ROMs [they're firmwares, NOT ROMs]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11669817&postcount=97
In that thread, the main issue is not about giving or not giving credits, it's about calling oneself a 'Chef' and delivering half baked results which ultimately causes grief when users don't receive solutions to their legitimate queries/firmware related problems.
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can someone please help me understand the major issues of porting android to the hd2? devs from htc can obviously get android running perfectly across numerous hardware platforms, so why is it so hard for anyone to port any version of android to the hd2 without some type of bug or problem? you can flame me all you want I just want to know what the major hurdles are so I can have a better understanding. Is it that HTC doesn't give you guys enough info on the hardware? is htc purposely holding back info from you guys so it's impossible to succeed? The hd2 has been out for ages and as far as I know, there is not one 100% fully working port of sense or stock froyo to the hd2 that I have seen.
It says right at the top of the forum.
READ BEFORE POSTING.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734335
You must be able to read some English, even if it is one giant block of text...
Read everything in that thread, THEN ask a question, in the appropriate section.
You have no idea how much work is involved in porting over an operating system, or creating drivers from scratch. You sound like an ignorant moron, and that is not me flaming you, but being honest.
I have a 100% working version of Android on my HD2, and I have had it for more than 2 months now. You're probably just doing it wrong, because you have failed to read the stickies.
Read the stickies.
Good luck.
Custom drivers to initialize the hardware. The problem is that when you don't have the proper hardware schematics or internals, you have to write them from scratch and/or piece code together in order to get it to work.
The main issue is around creating things from scratch at times - very hard to do when you don't have the hardware particulars to build the code from.
Make sense? It's NOT an easy process at all. And yes, the hardware IS different between a lot of the phones. Anything from screens to CPU's to antennae configs, etc.
No idea what are you talking about, I am using Mdeejay Froyo Sense 2.4 and it is working 100% for me, every function i use on a daily basis works as well as when my HD2 was running WM if not better. As mentioned in the replies above, read, search if you feel your Android isnt working to your liking. If you do not understand how difficult it is to port an OS onto a device, research about it and you will understand these devs have done so much in such a short time and they rival any group of highly-skilled SW engineers that any tech company would love to get their hands on.
FriedSushi87 said:
It says right at the top of the forum.
READ BEFORE POSTING.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734335
You must be able to read some English, even if it is one giant block of text...
Read everything in that thread, THEN ask a question, in the appropriate section.
You have no idea how much work is involved in porting over an operating system, or creating drivers from scratch. You sound like an ignorant moron, and that is not me flaming you, but being honest.
I have a 100% working version of Android on my HD2, and I have had it for more than 2 months now. You're probably just doing it wrong, because you have failed to read the stickies.
Read the stickies.
Good luck.
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so you're telling me you have 100% working version as original as far as battery drain, tethering, camera, wifi, boot time, call quality, etc etc? if so, which one is that? seems I missed it somehow.
ruinertt said:
Custom drivers to initialize the hardware. The problem is that when you don't have the proper hardware schematics or internals, you have to write them from scratch and/or piece code together in order to get it to work.
The main issue is around creating things from scratch at times - very hard to do when you don't have the hardware particulars to build the code from.
Make sense? It's NOT an easy process at all. And yes, the hardware IS different between a lot of the phones. Anything from screens to CPU's to antennae configs, etc.
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then it sounds to me like HTC is crazy, why would they change each hardware so much and have to re-invent the wheel constantly?
If u read my last reply in a previous post, NO QUESTION IS A DUMB ONE! Thats why these forums are here. Now I'm not a dev nor am I that tech savvy but I wud assume that the software has to match the hardware. While different companies make multiple devices, u wud think it shouldn't be hard to root one from the other, understand that each device has different hardware specs, therefore requiring hardware specific software. Hope that helps. As for the other guy telling u to read all the threads to find wut u are looking for, not everyone has the time to read thru all the threads to find the answer to a specific question. Sometimes it's easier to just ask the question in hopes that someone who knows the answer wud reply.
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If u read my last reply in a previous post, NO QUESTION IS A DUMB ONE! Thats why these forums are here. Now I'm not a dev nor am I that tech savvy but I wud assume that the software has to match the hardware. While different companies make multiple devices, u wud think it shouldn't be hard to root one from the other, understand that each device has different hardware specs, therefore requiring hardware specific software. Hope that helps. As for the other guy telling u to read all the threads to find wut u are looking for, not everyone has the time to read thru all the threads to find the answer to a specific question. Sometimes it's easier to just ask the question in hopes that someone who knows the answer wud reply.
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you guys are all the best, and that's why I posted my question here. Yes the search feature is a PITA in it's own right, with the captcha bs and 1000 search hits. I could spend another hour refining my search, or spend 2 mins asking the question. If everyone expects people to search first then at least it should be faster or equal to just asking the question, then people would use it more I would think.
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then it sounds to me like HTC is crazy, why would they change each hardware so much and have to re-invent the wheel constantly?
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Each software has certain hardware needs to work. Obviously HTC is raking in millions and millions, so I wouldnt say they are too crazy.
Just because we can get a lot of different ROMs to work on our phones does not mean that all phones can handle all versions of Android and run perfectly out of the box. Although it would be cool.
thanks guys, so it seems the root issue is that HTC really does change their hardware fairly drastically between models and that just seems so insane to me. Why would they do such a thing? It seems so counter productive, and adds so many extra costs. That really sucks but I guess they have the $$ to do it with their stock being up there above google's.
I realize now that htc really is making (figuratively speaking) an apple, a pc, an xbox, a nintendo ds, a psp, a palm etc and getting their OS to run on it. That is really unbelievable. It must be a requirement of the different carriers. Pretty amazing how they were able to do that if you think about it. No wonder it's a nightmare for the devs here. That is exactly what I needed to know and it makes everything very clear now, thanks everyone.
p.s. microse23 you're always so nice, thanks man I appreciate it
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so you're telling me you have 100% working version as original as far as battery drain, tethering, camera, wifi, boot time, call quality, etc etc? if so, which one is that? seems I missed it somehow.
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you mean by battery drain. obivously the battery is going to drain, constant use of the SD card will do that to a phone , as far as boot time is concerned have you ever booted into a Linux live disk? it isnt all too fast is it? hmmmm i wonder why android take a sec to boot.... and here is a working rom for you: Nexus to HD2. I am using it and it works great! GPS lock in like 20 sec for me, sd is fine, tethering works, camera works (5mpx) boot time is about the same as my mytouch 3G slide after HaRET, call quality is clear no robot voice, apps from market install, HD youtube works. little to no touchscreen freezes, screen wakes up fast. (<--run-on lol) seems to be working 100%...
You don't understand how a computer runs.
There are apps that run ontop of runtime environments which are connected to the OS, the Kernel through the API (applicaiton programming interface) and then that talks directly to the hardware via the Hardware Abstraction layer, which is made up of a bunch of drivers which are individual files that detail what language and what commands are to be sent to a device to make it do certain things, which change with each device, which each screen resolution change and new technology or tweak on old technologies. Especially with the radio where it changes from 2G and 2.5G and 3G and H and H+.
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why can't they port a perfect copies? MONEY!...HTC paid their employees millions of dollar to put this thing together and make it run. Here at XDA, we have geniuses but they are working own their own time and reverse engineering isn't easy. I guess it would be like walking in a maze that doesn't always have an exit. Another thing, HTC is not exactly giving away much information on their hardware too which makes thing harder.
Think about it, we still can't get a PERFECT snes Emulators. They work and have MORE features than the original hardware console but still have issues.
Making software/os work on hardware that's not intended for isn't always clear cut.
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Nexus to HD2. I am using it and it works great! GPS lock in like 20 sec for me, sd is fine, tethering works, camera works (5mpx with 720p)
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What.
Did I miss this?
FriedSushi87 said:
You don't understand how a computer runs.
There are apps that run ontop of runtime environments which are connected to the OS, the Kernel through the API (applicaiton programming interface) and then that talks directly to the hardware via the Hardware Abstraction layer, which is made up of a bunch of drivers which are individual files that detail what language and what commands are to be sent to a device to make it do certain things, which change with each device, which each screen resolution change and new technology or tweak on old technologies. Especially with the radio where it changes from 2G and 2.5G and 3G and H and H+.
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I assume you mean me? I do understand how a computer works as I repair them, the LiveCD/usb thing was very vague comparison.
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What.
Did I miss this?
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OHSHI- thought I read it in the post was WRONG, my bad disregard that. FIX'D
Key points missed so far.
When HTC gets hardware from a supplier (Eg Qualcomm) they include driver source. Hardware API's etc for HTC to quickly develop drivers. Guys like Cotulla don't have access to this information so they clip some code from here, there and everywhere.
The hardware may be the same but the Bios (Radio) also defines how that HW is presented to the OS. The radio for a WM phone may present the hardware differently to an android phone. This needs different drivers.
There are 1000's of components and features in a phone all comprising of different models, revisions and manufacturers.
Cotulla and the guys work for free in there spare time. Big difference compared to being paid as part of a team of 20 people to do the job.
So in summary. What the guys are doing is trying to build there own UFO using photo's of an alien UFO that no one even understands the technology or how it works.
Would be a lot easier if the aliens left the instruction and design manual in the glovebox
Hi please stop this thread
Hi to the person who started this thread if you are so smart stop asking questions and read between the lines ,do you have any idea how an os is built and how programs are written in different languages,please google and find your answers rather than wasting the developers hard time they are spending at developing the android builds.please dont spend your valuable time answering my reply rather google your question you may get more info towards your required answer.
Please to the moderator stop such threads unless they are reporting build problems.
I've got thick skin so feel free to throw things.
Watching the forum over the last month I've seen a proliferation of ROMs to the point that I've stopped updating - also partly because my favorite and second favorite teams have stopped putting out new versions. I finally succumbed to the burning urge to try another ROM last night but ended up with buyers "meh."
The ROM environment has become so fragmented that it's hard to know what the advantage of ROM a is over ROM b other than appearance.
A comment from one of the ROM makers brought the problem into sharp focus. "I've renamed my ROM because I didn't know one of my team members already had a ROM named X."
How can you be part of a "team" and not know what's being produced by that team?
It seems like we've got more themers producing work in the form of full ROMs rather than themes. I've got nothing against themers, I love packages that can completely change the look of my device and I'm always on the lookout for cool new themes.
I'd rather see ROM maintainers and themers working together where the former group produces faster and more reliable ROMs while the latter group produces mods for those ROMs.
Do the two groups just not want to work closely together or are there predominantly just mostly lone wolves working at the ROM/theme level in Android?
Wrong section. Suppose to go in q&a (QUESTIONS and answers)
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I disagree because it's directly applicable to development and is aimed at the developers. It's not a general q/a question
I agree with this. There's no need to make a "rom" if you just change the theme. Just make a theme and zip it up then post it in the themes section. And oh yea I believe people refer to these people as "winzippers".
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OP has a great point about our forum here. Ive really stopped doing anything but for my own use, and with the exception of a few real roms put here, I've watched our Vibrant area here turn into a rom porting paradise, without a lot of original work done by people calling themselves devs. Several of these self proclaimed devs have asked me for help with recent projects, and have then been unable to provide even a simple logcat for diagnosis. If someone cant pull a logcat or understand how to do other basics, you really need to take your time and learn.
It is okay to theme and do little things while you learn, and take the time to put out a quality product, instead of a hurried build thats half broken. We have a slight handful of true devs out here, and a whole bunch of people who want to learn, but seem to be in too much of a hurry to kang others work and not really learn how to build a rom from the ground up. Its a damn shame.
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I agree with Br1cK'd. There are a lot of "devs" lately that seem to be kanging together half broken ROM's. I can't tell you how often lately I've flashed something only to find major bugs, when the OP claims that the ROM is 100 percent working and bug free. It seems that most of the more skilled developers have moved on to newer devices. I'm all for people learning but they need to do a lot of quality control before they post their work on XDA.
are you tryna say my team member ferhanmm that did an error ? whats up with you son?>
But then... what actually constitutes a "Rom".
For as far as I know, according to CM6/7/Miui people, only theirs are truly "Roms", as they are built from ground up.
Everything else is just a themed stock Rom, or improvements to existing Sammy framework. (Which I still love btw)
If there were malicious Roms that are purposely bricking systems, then I would argue for stricter requirements for releases. But as it stands, I think the openness of this forum allows users and developers alike to find what makes them happy.
I just think in general, Rom devs/maintainers get more credit (Thanks button hits?) than purely themers. As there is a feeling that themers kind of "work for" Rom Devs... Which is why people tend to package their work as Roms instead of themes (So their work seems less derivative or what not)
Wrong section, but I agree.
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Br1cK'd said:
OP has a great point about our forum here. Ive really stopped doing anything but for my own use, and with the exception of a few real roms put here, I've watched our Vibrant area here turn into a rom porting paradise, without a lot of original work done by people calling themselves devs. Several of these self proclaimed devs have asked me for help with recent projects, and have then been unable to provide even a simple logcat for diagnosis. If someone cant pull a logcat or understand how to do other basics, you really need to take your time and learn.
It is okay to theme and do little things while you learn, and take the time to put out a quality product, instead of a hurried build thats half broken. We have a slight handful of true devs out here, and a whole bunch of people who want to learn, but seem to be in too much of a hurry to kang others work and not really learn how to build a rom from the ground up. Its a damn shame.
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first of all about the logcat ? did you learn alone ? i guess that if someone ask you, its nno bad to help is it ? because i bet some one showed you...now about the kang, so almost every rom here is a kang right ? almost all roms based on stocks from i9000s and stocks kb1`s isnt it ?... i guess this people have the right to learn, but seems you guys that already know a little dont like to help huh?
I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.
I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.
I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.
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I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.
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as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid
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I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.
I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.
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+1
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I did my first root about two month ago. Since then I have tried about 20 various roms or updates to them. I tried one last week that seemed to be a copy from an established developer. The other team got really pissy and used alot of immature slang when confronted. I will no longer use any roms from them. I agree that people should learn from the ground up before posting roms and stop the plagiarism.
I appreciate the hard work of the legitimate developers on this site.
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I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.
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dont pay attentionn to this ppl fer.. day just stupids ... look at thhe quote i made above.. its just stupid, they want us to redo the same **** that is already made... for example.. whats the need to do a gps fix when jellette made one already ? its just stupid
them may be half a$$ed devs but them gotta have donate button
Bosina & Br1cK'd, first, thanks for your input and participation but this thread isn't about helping or not. It's about packing up thematic changes and publishing them as a ROM rather than a theme bundle.
If a group of members wants to debate about newbies not giving as much as they get, please start a new thread.
bosina said:
as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid
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this dude ha ha shut up im trying to read and your comments are unnecessary and full of hate and You act like You are a Big Time developer who dont take s**t from anyone , go smoke something and relax , i dont see Team Whisky complain or Eugene, just You big time savior .
But if the teams join there will be more people to split the donation money between so maybe thats why people stay separate ?
Hey everyone,
We've made a small change to this forum by giving it a different name. This is now the *default* Android development forum for Galaxy S II. Any works that are completely original will be filed in the Original Android Development forum. Everything else will go here.
We have a more long-term solution to the ROM situation in the works. It'll be a database-driven ROM upload tool that will make it super easy for users to find and rate the ROMs that you upload. You'll be hearing more about this in the coming months.
For now, please continue to provide feedback. Thank you for your help in making XDA a more organized place.
Thanks!
P.S. If you think your ROM should be placed in the Original Android Development forum, send me a PM.
Edit from noppy22: this thread is no longer relevant so I unstuck it...
Sveitus,
I am dissapointed that the original explainatory thread was closed without reason after it was collecting opposing comments. Not cool.
I believe what you've posted (not done, I am confident that this was done with some consultation, somewhere) should be discussed in a wider context.
To that end, I've opened a thread in the XDA general forum with an admittedly emotive title "First and Second Class ROMS, 1st, 2nd class users". Please track this thread, assuming it's not lost amidst the noise.
I would have posted my concerns in the original notification thread except...
What gives?
Just imagine someone from sensation comes here and sees two development threads...
Sensation owners must be jealous by now..
But why is this only done on the GALAXY S2 subforums? Please, implement this on all phone subforum. I want to see how others would react.
Still think this is a stupid idea. If devs don't want other devs recycling their works, better not publish it. Or you can just close the thread of the ROM that was derived from an another ROM without permission/due credit.
The current situation is not something new to all of us.
There were always have been such ''issues'' among the rom developers.
xda team the way you chose to work this out is not good at all.
I'm starting to think that you don't listen to the majority of the users...
You hear a few dev's that probably are jealous of others...
This is not right for the community.
I personally am not supporting anyone particularly, but you must find another solution.
giokou said:
The current situation is not something new to all of us.
There were always have been such ''issues'' among the rom developers.
xda team the way you chose to work this out is not good at all.
I'm starting to think that you don't listen to the majority of the users...
You hear a few dev's that probably are jealous of others...
This is not right for the community.
I personally am not supporting anyone particularly, but you must find another solution.
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I 100% support this view...
If this is the case, then no custom roms should be in "original" section, as they are all derived from the stock manufacturer's roms.
khein said:
But why is this only done on the GALAXY S2 subforums? Please, implement this on all phone subforum. I want to see how others would react.
Still think this is a stupid idea. If devs don't want other devs recycling their works, better not publish it. Or you can just close the thread of the ROM that was derived from an another ROM without permission/due credit.
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All hell would break lose and their would be a mass exodus of developers and some pissed off members.
And why was the other thread closed. Perhaps XDA didn't like that all the negative PR they were getting. This plan was poorly conceived and executed. And to make it worse, XDA is being the judge, jury and executioner.
I am quite disappointed that this unjustified separation and disqualification of some devs work is still not corrected. You justified your step by "feedback" asking for it. I believe you are severely misleading people here.
You earned a lot of justified feedback in the first thread being deleted meanwhile and still you don't get things sorted out.
It is obviously totally wrong to piss off devs and force them to prove they are not guilty of what you may think. It ought to be the other way around: you should have a prove to claim what you state before you behave (and take action) the way you did. Some kind of US wild west mentality around here. I understand when people think that you only try to protect some of the devs being closer to you or being longer active on xda than some others. The selection of Roms being put to one or the other section proves that already since there seems to be no logic behind your decisions. Some early birds being put to the second class thread while some others who have just released quite usual stuff but were active with other hardware before have been put to the first class thread. And till now no kind of explanation why this or that Rom has been put here or there? What about Litenin e.g. which has been asked for a dozen times in the first, deleted thread ?
And above all: what kind of guilt do you think of ?
We are talking about open source here and all Roms are derived from Samsung stuff except for CM / MIUI. So where does originality start and where does it end? And who may decide: Even if a custom ROM was copied from another custom one in the first step it might have become an own developement over time.
jlevy73 said:
All hell would break lose and their would be a mass exodus of developers and some pissed off members.
And why was the other thread closed. Perhaps XDA didn't like that all the negative PR they were getting. This plan was poorly conceived and executed. And to make it worse, XDA is being the judge, jury and executioner.
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The other thread was closed because it was a discussion on the Derived ROMs Forum format, which as you state wasn't what we hoped it would be. So, changed the forum format. The old discussion was closed and a new one started to discuss this iteration. The thread was also started and stuck by svetius.
zikarus said:
I am quite disappointed that this unjustified separation and disqualification of some devs work is still not corrected. You justified your step by "feedback" asking for it. I believe you are severely misleading people here.
You earned a lot of justified feedback in the first thread being deleted meanwhile and still you don't get things sorted out.
It is obviously totally wrong to piss off devs and force them to prove they are not guilty of what you may think. It ought to be the other way around: you should have a prove to claim what you state before you behave (and take action) the way you did. Some kind of US wild west mentality around here. I understand when people think that you only try to protect some of the devs being closer to you or being longer active on xda than some others. The selection of Roms being put to one or the other section proves that already since there seems to be no logic behind your decisions. Some early birds being put to the second class thread while some others who have just released quite usual stuff but were active with other hardware before have been put to the first class thread. And till now no kind of explanation why this or that Rom has been put here or there? What about Litenin e.g. which has been asked for a dozen times in the first, deleted thread ?
And above all: what kind of guilt do you think of ?
We are talking about open source here and all Roms are derived from Samsung stuff except for CM / MIUI. So where does originality start and where does it end? And who may decide: Even if a custom ROM was copied from another custom one in the first step it might have become an own developement over time.
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The thread hasn't been deleted, it's been closed. The reasons (while obvious) are above.
Clearer..
<sarcasm>
This titling does make it clearer..
Example:
Original Development: CM7
It's built from the ground up with a myriad of coded additions to be a truly 'Original' product.
Development: Everything else
All other ROMS are stock deodexed upgrades.
</sarcasm>
Don't like this idea...
DaveShaw said:
The thread hasn't been deleted, it's been closed. The reasons (while obvious) are above.
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Closed or deleted - did not see it but no big difference anyway.
And there is nothing obvious neither about the closing nor the separation.
If you like to install a new tool do so. Build it, introduce it. Till then leave things as they were, stop separation and maybe excuse for the mess you produced by an unbiased decision... My 5 ct
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I really don't understand what an "original ROM" is. Google wrote the only original Android ROM imho.
here's a thought.
Villain Rom Lite is in "original" even though it's clearly based off VillainRom.
There's CLEAR favoritism going on here.
It should either be merged with the original or moved. It's just the same ROM with removed apps. How is that "original"?
Simple Result:
As far as I see; Some devs are out of business and as far as I feel, more to be...
mynameisjon said:
here's a thought.
Villain Rom Lite is in "original" even though it's clearly based off VillainRom.
There's CLEAR favoritism going on here.
It should either be merged with the original or moved. It's just the same ROM with removed apps. How is that "original"?
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Uhm actually the fact that thread was buried a few pages until yesterday meant svetius may have missed it. Moved it across.
That's grand, we don't have derivated roms anymore, we have originals and others (stolen, fakes, not so cool). I like the way mods are listening...
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I must admit, the way the mods have chosen to separate the two development sections doesn't sit well with me at all. The criteria for which section a ROM goes in to is very subjective and open to various interpretations, all of which are prone to the moderator's possible bias.
Strictly speaking, only one or two ROMs are 'original development' and belong in that section. All the others are derivatives in some way or another.
A better way to clean up the dev forum would be to have a couple of sub-sections; perhaps one for all ROMs (regardless of source), one for kernels and related modifications and another for android-specific modifications. Then, be strict about enforcing the sub-section criteria. Also, ask ROM chefs to state in their OP whether the ROM is based on another ROM and to credit the original developer/chef.
Everything else goes in Themes & Apps.
Also, having a mandatory format for thread titles (a la the HD2 forum) is an excellent way to keep things tidy and ensure that people know when a new release has been posted and what the releases are based upon. It worked over in HD2 rather well I thought. After coming from an HD2 to the S2, I thought that the S2 forums were a little untidy to say the least.
Ok, serious mode off, back to my usual sarcastic self.
OK, I dont agree with the splitting of the forums, but its not my decision and will go along with it. One thing that does really annoy me and needs to be fixed is that this new forum doesnt show up on the android app. Can that be fixed? I like keeping up with a few roms here and am usually on the move.
TheBishopOfSoho said:
OK, I dont agree with the splitting of the forums, but its not my decision and will go along with it. One thing that does really annoy me and needs to be fixed is that this new forum doesnt show up on the android app. Can that be fixed? I like keeping up with a few roms here and am usually on the move.
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No harm in disagreeing! If enough people disagree, the mods may relent on this decision.
Good Evening All
I know this might be discussed before in few threads but the reason I'm posting this thread is to have the answers from the developers themselves about the difficulties they're facing to port Sense UI ( 4.0 for example ) to our beloved SGS 2 and why their is no attempt to do it.
Updates 24-05-2012
Developers are going crazy
check these websites:-
http://www.sense4all.nazuka.net/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1678663
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1533931
I believe we have a great code reverse engineers as well as great kernel developers and plenty of resources out there ,,, what we are waiting for ?!!
Please devs kindly give it a try and help us,,,,
Updates 16-05-2012 by Quebe2 and Coenjte44 big thanks to them
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1657050
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Swamp goblin a great developer is working in the shadows to create an amazing HTC sense based SGS II ROM !!!!
Now in Nexus S development thread, two developers namely Qube2 and swamp goblin are working so hard to port Sense 4.0 !!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1502895
Qube2 did successfully port Sense 2.1 to Nexus S !!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490709
Mkalter from SGS 1 thread is trying his best to port to SGS !!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1593939
I believe that our SGS II is the most device world wildly used. Also it has better hardware and better developer community.
What I need is the developers' comments, not only the ones who are interested on Sense UI but also the ones who are not but they have their theories in which they explain why porting Sense UI is difficult, non achievable or waste of time.
Thanx
Sorry for the bad grammer. English isn't really my native language.
P.S. For users like me, respectfully don't flood this thread with posts that won't answer my question in details ( like; if you want sense UI buy HTC device !! ). I need the developers to kindly gather here and post their opinions, experiences and may be their pre-alphas
My Question was moved to Q/A subforum ,, I did post it in general subforum intentionally because of it is really hot area and it may attract developers. I hope it won't be got lost here. Thanx Crachel
To be honest, most developers don't browse around here (as they are busy with their own thing)... but testing Sense UI myself on several phones.. it's laggy and a resource hog. Sure it looks nice, but it's not better than a few others (especially since ICS)- and most often people want things to be more speedy.
Perhaps a hardcore developer will come and give you more details on what they like or don't like about it. Good luck.
PS
Apex launcher fast and smooth
Most of the users here want stock as possible. I dont know why. I study now android development and yes i want Sense UI to at my Phone because i used HTC HD2 with RafDroids HD revolution it had sense. So give a lil bit at any day at any time there will be a sense SGS 2... But Stock ICS with GO Launcher rocks too :-D
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Because it's crap & unnecessary, as Cyberboob more politely intimated than I did.
I think it's down to purely pragmatic reasons.
Say a dev owns a HTC device. What's more practical for him/her (never know, female devs could exist..)? Modify Sense on a phone he/she owns, or decide that TouchWiz is great and spend hours trying to port that instead?
Ergo the same holds true for devs whom own the SGS2.
As cyberboob said, you're unlikely to see any devs on this subforum, and in my opinion they don't need to explain or justify any decision they make anyway - their work, their choice. It's not a democracy here, and that's the way it should be.
And MistahBungle is right too, he just forgot "overponcey bloatware"...
And much more importantly, I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate myself on my 1000th post.
I know that sense is just like any other UI out there but I think weather, twitter and Facebook implementation as well as the animations of HTC sense are far better than go , apex and other UI launchers.
Now being laggy or buggy is something I really wanna wait to comment on but first we wanna test it.
I'm resisting to buy HTC one X and to give up on my SGS II because I believe in that our developers are capable to create a powerful and better performing android OS on SGS II that with HTC sense UI would be better than any HTC device.
Back to main subject we need developer's opinion in porting HTC sense UI based roms to our SGS II.
I wish moderators here would kindly move this thread to any subforum in which devs are more likely to see and comment or may be to contribute to this subject.
Thanx all for replying.
There was a dev thread...it got closed due to spam posts
[PROJECT] [PORT] HTC Sense UI 3.0 [ WORK IN PROGRESS ]
Hahaha I did.
Congrats on the 1000th mate *applauds*
B3311 said:
And MistahBungle is right too, he just forgot "overponcey bloatware"...
And much more importantly, I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate myself on my 1000th post.
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The thing is that not many devs are interested in doing that here.
It is called as a resource hog but still there are users like me who would want to see such a thing happen.
Well in the end its on the devs. Not much we can do about it, just support them by donations and reporting bugs.
frankimm said:
The thing is that not many devs are interested in doing that here.
It is called as a resource hog but still there are users like me who would want to see such a thing happen.
Well in the end its on the devs. Not much we can do about it, just support them by donations and reporting bugs.
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Yeah I'll surely donate but we need somebody who actually start porting it. Not only me you will see a bunch of people who are willing/will donate to this project.
Peace.
In my opinion sense 3 is ugly and Sense 4 isn't any diffrent from fror exsample go launcher
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@Makrilli.
You haven't tried it, I believe
Anyway, this thread for people who are interested not only in using sense IU but also to contribute positively to it.
peace.
Oweida said:
@Makrilli.
You haven't tried it, I believe
Anyway, this thread for people who are interested not only in using sense IU but also to contribute positively to it.
peace.
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Judged by the number of Sense threads two points are plain one HTC users want it on SGS2 and two nearly a year down the line and it must be to difficult to port .
Which points to the simple fact that SGS2 devs dont want to port it or have found to many stumbling blocks to make it worth while .Probably the later is the big reason why no sense .
jje
Good day everybody
No developers yet !!
Obviously, this subform has less developer activity
Peace
Plenty of devs read Q&A.
It's a crap idea as has already been said Think about it. You're a dev...you have a job, a family, other interests. You have a choice say, between developing/maintaining something like a kernel or a rom (or an app even) which hundreds/thousands/tens of thousands of people will appreciate, use & offer feedback on, which will be an ongoing thing...
Or you port a UI from another device to please a couple of dozen fanboys of said different device which is both ugly (just my opinion) & consumes a crapload of device resources/isn't 'efficient'.
I know what I'd be doing.
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Good day everybody
No developers yet !!
Obviously, this subform has less developer activity
Peace
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Of course it has less developer activity - as has been pointed out to you at least twice.
To repeat - devs just don't post on this subforum, for the reasons stated earlier. They may read it, but why would they post here.
Try searching for how many "recognised developers" have posted in Q&A previously. Do you really think they're going to ask us normal punters tecnical questions??
To be frank, you're flogging a dead horse. No debate on the subject is forthcoming, no-one seems to be trying to actively port Sense, and no discussion is going to change that.
Give it up.
B3311 said:
Of course it has less developer activity - as has been pointed out to you at least twice.
To repeat - devs just don't post on this subforum, for the reasons stated earlier. They may read it, but why would they post here.
Try searching for how many "recognised developers" have posted in Q&A previously. Do you really think they're going to ask us normal punters tecnical questions??
To be frank, you're flogging a dead horse. No debate on the subject is forthcoming, no-one seems to be trying to actively port Sense, and no discussion is going to change that.
Give it up.
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I really feel sad about this. The good thing is HTC has released it's miracle HTC one X which has both powerful hardware and amazing software and may be I will buy it
Thanx All for replying.
Peace
Please Forum moderator move this thread to the discussion sub forum ,,,,
Peace
Please administrators/moderators move this topic to general forum , maybe it will get somebody's attention.
yes most the sgs2 users need sense 4 on their sgs2 i also want to see sense 4 on my sgs2
Hey people
i have Z2 since 2 month and i have a question.
Why the Z2 has low support from developers in XDA? I mean, for example, if we compared HTC One M8 development section to the Z2 development section, i believe M8 has maybe 5 times more support than Z2!.
same for S5 - G3 ,etc
The Z2 is considered one of the most powerful android smartphones and on the top of android devices, released from long time, has a twin which is "Z3", that should increase the Z2,Z3 wining points and it's cheap!
I Can't find a reason for that. it makes me worry about my phone if Sony stopped releasing updates to it
Thanks
Some obvious reasons: it's not popular, it's Sony (self explanatory) so it's normal to have less dev interest, Z3/Z3 Compact is a better phone for many ppl, some Z2 have locked bootloaders so that kills a bit of interest and possibility. And despite that the Z2 has plenty of developers working on it. Dunno what you're worrying about.
In my personal opinion as a *Dev/ROM maker/call it as you like*, I think that this device is already a very well made. Performance of mobile smartphones these days are far better than before (I call myself as a Dev of these section for Z2, but I've made only one ROM, pretty funny xD). When I was very regular person in Xperia X10/Play/Neo V/J sections, there was a work to do. Even after when some older flagships become abbandoned by Sony with updates, many people ported some things from newer smartphones. For now, Z2 is nearly the newer flagship, only Z3 came out, which is - in my opinion - not so big different than Z2 (of course it's fresh and more popular cause of marketing etc. [read: money]). Moreover, Android is now very good on strong devices, we have Seeder and Greenify, Xposed and many more basical, user-friendly apps. All we need (I think that way, sorry I always prefer minimalistic) fast, responsive and clean system as a base, then some additional apps or scripts (possible by envoirnment I wrote a while ago) and that's all . Sorry if this is too chaotic post, or didn't in your style of thinking - I just shared mine. Cheers pal!
PS: and the same as CrashTestDroid said - I think we DO have plenty of devs and nice community - looking at Z3 sections - it's smaller a lot .
I think it's because this phone is brilliant out of the box.
My previous phones I've flashed countless ROMs etc but I haven't felt the need to mod the Z2 at all.
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The phone works good with stock so no need for roms
i guess samsung/lg/htc sell much more phones than sony, and that's probably the reason their communities are bigger.
more dev's doesn't mean more quality anyway, albeit small we do have great dev's coding for our sony devices and a very helpful community here on xda. we have all kinds of roms, kernels, multi roms, recoveries, very creative xposed mods, flashable custom mods, themes, fonts... what else do you need?
imho it's a great device and a great community already
HTC don't sell more phones than Sony. LG, Sony, Motorola sells around 9-10 million phones per quarter. HTC don't publish the sales figures, they previously head though. (self explainary).
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The reason is simple. Stock ROM is already awesome and Xperias are popular is the pacific - not much developers residing there.
Hi
Well the Z2 forum have alot developers, and we doing a great job around here, and okay the M8 forum etc have more support well that is maybe a reason to fix the stuff inside those roms and the Z2 is just great out of the box with less small bugs, so no need to worry because we have also a life to but that dont say we aren't here, we are always here to keep an eye on those great forum ^^
Sent From Somewhere On Earth With My Z2 ^^
ChrisPNE said:
I think it's because this phone is brilliant out of the box.
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+1
No need custom rom!
WOW, i didn't expect that number of comments.
i am really grateful for you guys you made me love my phone even more
i was asking for why it has low number of roms because i was having Note 2 and i was installing a new rom every 2 days .. i love trying new roms and adding new stuff to the phone.
but as you said, the case here is different. the Z2 is perfect without any rom.
sadly the only problem i face is i can't root the Z2 cause of the bootloader lock. there are too many mods i want to try but i don't want to unlock the BL. "don't want to lose camera quality nor the noise cancellation".
again, thank you all for helping
you can root without bootloader unlock
check the prf creator thread near the top of the general section
and as of my testing noise canceling doesnt break, only X-Reality, supervivid, Bionz and Some Xperia Services Such as Playstation remote play
Envious_Data said:
you can root without bootloader unlock
check the prf creator thread near the top of the general section
and as of my testing noise canceling doesnt break, only X-Reality, supervivid, Bionz and Some Xperia Services Such as Playstation remote play
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you meen this? if yes, thanks i'll try it
Yes.
It explains how to obtain root on the latest firmware
Another thing to keep in mind - to my knowledge the Xperia Z2 was never picked up by any of the US carriers. Therefore it had very little presence in USA.
Having 200 nearly identicals ROM is useless.
Other brands doesn't have more devs, they have more users who are mixing things they found to do ROM.
All main ROM are done, CM, AOSP, Paranoïd, ...
Also great stock base one. [emoji2]
In conclusion, quality is better than quantity.
DiKeJ said:
In my personal opinion as a *Dev/ROM maker/call it as you like*, I think that this device is already a very well made. Performance of mobile smartphones these days are far better than before (I call myself as a Dev of these section for Z2, but I've made only one ROM, pretty funny xD). When I was very regular person in Xperia X10/Play/Neo V/J sections, there was a work to do. Even after when some older flagships become abbandoned by Sony with updates, many people ported some things from newer smartphones. For now, Z2 is nearly the newer flagship, only Z3 came out, which is - in my opinion - not so big different than Z2 (of course it's fresh and more popular cause of marketing etc. [read: money]). Moreover, Android is now very good on strong devices, we have Seeder and Greenify, Xposed and many more basical, user-friendly apps. All we need (I think that way, sorry I always prefer minimalistic) fast, responsive and clean system as a base, then some additional apps or scripts (possible by envoirnment I wrote a while ago) and that's all . Sorry if this is too chaotic post, or didn't in your style of thinking - I just shared mine. Cheers pal!
PS: and the same as CrashTestDroid said - I think we DO have plenty of devs and nice community - looking at Z3 sections - it's smaller a lot .
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DiKeJ my old friend, nice to see you here. :good:
neoxx3m said:
DiKeJ my old friend, nice to see you here. :good:
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@neoxx3m
Aah nice to see you here also buddy, long time ago like by @DiKeJ ^^
Sent From Somewhere On Earth With My Z2 ^^
Pandemic said:
@neoxx3m
Aah nice to see you here also buddy, long time ago like by @DiKeJ ^^
Sent From Somewhere On Earth With My Z2 ^^
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And Pandemic aswell? Great day for me!
Hoho! Nearly like Christmas, so much happiness to see you guys here also . Long time huh . Was thinking about if anyone still remember me here, but even on Z2 community (where I relased only one work) there are still known people and old fellas . Much appreciated guys, hope you're well in your personal life and also have some free days for looking at XDA, more free time than me, though . Wish you all the best with your closer friends and families! Cheers!
neoxx3m said:
And Pandemic aswell? Great day for me!
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Yes bro @neoxx3m i have 2 a 3 months my Z2 and builed already a rom for it like for the XZ ^^
Yes for me either a great day
DiKeJ said:
Hoho! Nearly like Christmas, so much happiness to see you guys here also . Long time huh . Was thinking about if anyone still remember me here, but even on Z2 community (where I relased only one work) there are still known people and old fellas . Much appreciated guys, hope you're well in your personal life and also have some free days for looking at XDA, more free time than me, though . Wish you all the best with your closer friends and families! Cheers!
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Yes bro @DiKeJ indeed it looks like christmas restart again lol [emoji14]
Yes i still remember you like @neoxx3m my old fellas or better said good friends ^^
All good in my life, i have now for 2 a 3 months the XZ2 after leaving the old XP and XZ forums and have now also a son from 4 months old and all the best wishes to you also
Sent From Somewhere On Earth With My Z2 ^^