I heard it was bad using a task killer. is it true? If it is, what cpu watcher should i use. Is watchdog an option. Let me know thanks. I heard it doesnt work for froyo, the task killers.
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Yes, I heard and read that in this Forum. I visited the other Forum and they write same issue.
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I heard it was bad using a task killer. is it true? If it is, what cpu watcher should i use. Is watchdog an option. Let me know thanks. I heard it doesnt work for froyo, the task killers.
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Then whats the best way to manage cpu?
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let android do that.
linux is different from windows. period
If three processes are killing memory, kill 3 processes! Advanced task killer and Is monitor work fine for me
Sometimes your better off just ignoring arguments. Linux has PS and TOP to view processing. Kill lid is as Unix as there is O hack away
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let android do that.
linux is different from windows. period
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Why? If things are dickies, stop them and remove if persistent as problems.. they are safe to kill all day
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A quick overview for you..
Android, in theory, manages it's memory allocation under the premise that free memory is wasted memory.. so it fills the memory up with apps that you use, to a point, keeping a small amount free for caching etc.. when you launch something that will take your memory allocation over the preset limit then it will drop something out of memory that hasn't been used in a while..
However.. there are occasions where Android 2.1 doesn't seem to manage things perfectly and the x10 slows down.. so to remedy this you can kill a few "user initiated" tasks..
This is where many people get into problems.. They download something like ATK and set it to aggressive autokill and then it kills system apps which the system either needs (and so you get operational problems with the phone) or it restarts them.. ATK kills them again.. the system restarts them... etc.. (using the battery more quickly).
There are also some apps which are badly written and don't sleep when "minimised" wasting battery.
So the solution is to get a task killer of some sort and use it manually when you need it.. make sure you set "persistent" apps and system apps to ignore, then you should just be left with stuff you've installed.. and you can kill those all day long!
im_icemen is right, you need a good task killer. Personally I use ES Task Manager, if you set a good ignore list you can use its widget which makes everything faster
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I use spare parts and set killing to aggressive
I use ATK but with no Auto-Kill at all. Every now and then I find an app move a little slowly and manually kill a couple of tasks then, and I find YX Player doesn't always drop out of memory after playing a video and stops the lockscreen so I kill it too.
But its not often I have to use it.
Some say task killers cause harm to anDroiD. But personally i feel task killers are must.. itsm quickly kills tasks, frees up memories and boosts up system..
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''Autokiller memory optimizer'' does the trick for me. Its not a task killer in the usual sense. It just allows you to adjust memory thresholds. I set it to moderate and i have no problems with speed or anything like that.
Edit: The reason why some say task killers are bad is due to the possibility of battery drain. Depending on how they are configured the rate of task killing can rapidly deplete the battery.
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Hello all, I'm just wondering, is having a task killer a good practice or not?I use task panelx. I am rooted, w/ xtrsense 4.6 and cfs v6 kernel I also use autokiller. Thanks I advance for any insight.
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Personally, I stopped using task killers months ago. Really didn't see any positive impact.
It's debatable. Some people like them, some people don't. Personally, I use one. I think that it improves the performance of my phone.
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Don't use it for autokilling but it is nice for if you just want to close an errant app that won't close.
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Don't use it for autokilling but it is nice for if you just want to close an errant app that won't close.
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Auto task killers are way more trouble than they are worth.
Here's the thing, no matter how your task killer works it's ALWAYS going to pull your program from your RAM (where it's using little to no battery) to your CPU (where it uses way more batter) and this is going to run your battery dry.
If your automatic task killer happens to kill a task when you're getting a phone call or trying to do something else you will notice serious lag for a moment and that's a pain.
Frankly, I have a task killer but I use it only when my phone is plugged in and usually only right after my phone starts up or after a day.
Hi everybody, as I have updated my phone to 2.1, I find it a bit laggy. I'm asking for your help to improve performances and get it smoothier.
Can anyone tell me which are the best settings for Autokiller to gain speed and improve battery life? I didn't found something obvious and really need to get it smoothier.
Regards.
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Also on this - I use TaskPanel - whenever I do a Kill All - it kills the SIM Card and restarts GSM services.
Anyone else seen this?
Otherwise I have the usual set to AutoKill - ignoring anything to do with Clocks, SetCPU, Widgets & Live Wallpaper.
Seems to kill a good 100+mb every time I press it.
edit: hope thats not a hijack
Maybe should you add stckappservice + datatrafixexcepmms + bluetoothheadsetservice processes to your ignore list. (Backupandrestore too)
OK so with ATK I'm always around 160 mb free Memory and many processes come back wathever I do : useragentprovider + custmizationprovider, etc...
Have someone a list of processes which are safe to uninstall and some settings for Autokiller? I really need to get faster and than it was on 1.6.
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I've not bothered installing one on 2.1 and found no reason to. The battery life has been significantly increased and although it started off a bit laggy it's smoothed it's self out now.
The following tools really help:
System Panel - monitor what drains battery/cpu time and then decide to throw that app out.
SetCPU - Just make sure to not restrain the cpu too much in hopes of saving that last percent of batt-life, it makes the system lag (ie. lowest while screen off makes the lock-screen/call-screen when turning it back on lag)
Autostarts - control what starts up on events (ie. Startup, battery power level change, etc) helps keep a lot of stuff from unnecessarily checking whether they need to do something.
AutoKiller Memory - Set a Ram-Profile in there. It'll kill tasks that aren't visible/high priority in case the ram gets too low/some other app needs the ram.
Good advise would also be: Don't use Task-Killers whenever you can avoid it. If an app drains too much battery: look for an alternative.
Killing all kinds of apps can do one of two things: either they start up automatically again or they start up on demand again. In both cases a well-coded app that doesn't suck batteries dry will use more batt re-starting and loading everything back into ram than it would if it just stayed there idle. And it'll remove lag by a lot.
Ram is getting powered either way. Use the ram you have. Mine's running constantly below 60MiB of free Ram (usually around 50) and it doesn't experience any lag.
What you also might want to look into is removing useless stuff that SE installed that'll just suck cpu-cycles every chance it gets.
Mine is silky smooth, but I have removed all crapware like moxier, quadrapop, all the Asian language keyboards, wisepilot. Etc. Now its very lean and fast
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I think they were more essential in older versions such as 1.6.
Advanced Task Manager.
Kill process every 30 min (differt setting possible)
U can choose task that don't want kill (exclude list)
Works perfectly.
I confirm lag on my 2.1 Xperia. Better some minutes after boot. Why?
Only a Q. Is it just possible to root the 2.1 version?
Tnks
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Only a Q. Is it just possible to root the 2.1 version?
Tnks
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Yes, read the sticky in the development section.
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Mine is silky smooth, but I have removed all crapware like moxier, quadrapop, all the Asian language keyboards, wisepilot. Etc. Now its very lean and fast
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How you do that, is it 2.1 rooted?
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How you do that, is it 2.1 rooted?
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Yes you will need to root to remove some apps.
i have root 2.1 but how do i remove apps?
can i do it on the phone or do i need to use adb on my pc?
I don't know why mine is laggy : I've uninstalled useless apps, I've tried many settings for Autokiller, and I don't kill processes which always come back.
I've noticed that my apps are not laggy, only Homescreen. I use ADW Launcher, anyone else noticed its Homescreen latency?
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i have root 2.1 but how do i remove apps?
can i do it on the phone or do i need to use adb on my pc?
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You need to use titaniumbackup. Ensure you to enable chuck norris mod if you want to remove pre~loaded apps.
Edit : be careful, many apps mustn't be removed.
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thanks for the explination
Edit : all work fine now. I just set setcpu minimum scale to 384 and max to 752.It doesn't lag anymore. I'm gonna analyze battery life with these settings and report them.
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Hi All,
I came across a few articles online that suggest that the task managers/killers actually do more harm than good. As far as I know, the Android OS is pretty good at multitasking and managing apps when it is needed to free RAM/CPU.
Would like to hear input specifically regarding the X10 and how these apps affect the system and/or phone specially after the 2.1 update?
Thanks!
Well aince I got to 2.1 Ive havent found the need to download a task killer. Its been stable with 100-140mb constant no matter how many apps I open. But in 1.6 I was getting 20mb if I didnt use task killer lol im guessing the need for task killer as the os upgrades gets less and less as 2.2 really gets ****ed by it lol
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I've read online about how closing some apps such as mediascape will affect your other media applications cos these services are tied together. But I've always killed all of the ones I don't see myself needing in the next hour or so, and nothing's ever really crashed for me heh.
But I do make it a point to close all apps before running quadrant. Very very pleased with my 730 score
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Well aince I got to 2.1 Ive havent found the need to download a task killer. Its been stable with 100-140mb constant no matter how many apps I open. But in 1.6 I was getting 20mb if I didnt use task killer lol im guessing the need for task killer as the os upgrades gets less and less as 2.2 really gets ****ed by it lol
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Dumb question, how do you check the RAM?
Best get something like autokiller memory optimizer.
You generally don't need much ram free and if you don't use apps that will eat the hell out of your system in the bg then there's no problem at all.
I haven't used a task killer since switching to 2.1 and there's no performance problems.
I still facing ram problem even after upgrade 2.1, hope no need any task killer anymore once we get 2.2
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gaolinde said:
I still facing ram problem even after upgrade 2.1, hope no need any task killer anymore once we get 2.2
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Not sure if the X10 will get 2.2. Looks like 2.1 is the end of the road for us.
By automatism, after I updated to 2.1 I installed advanced task killer, and at one point I noticed that, whean I had killed apps ammount of free RAM decereased ? So at that point, I uninstalled task killer to check will I notice any change in performance, and there was NONE I could notice, together with same battery duration.
So, so far I vote for no task killers.
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Not sure if the X10 will get 2.2. Looks like 2.1 is the end of the road for us.
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come on we have 2.2 custom rom on the way.
and good new is i just tested the custom room it appeared froyo managed ram really well, i launched a ton of software and still having more than 100mb of free ram.
gaolinde said:
come on we have 2.2 custom rom on the way.
and good new is i just tested the custom room it appeared froyo managed ram really well, i launched a ton of software and still having more than 100mb of free ram.
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Yeah I know we have custom ROMs. I was referring to the official update from SE. I know we will get the UXP update sometime in the future but, not sure if they will go as far as releasing a 2.2 update for the X10?
I don't use it anymore since on 2.1, when using it on 2.1 there's a lot of glitches and it DOES do more harm than good. I get better overall performance without it.
I use it, facebook, skype start by themselves and drain my battery
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I use it, facebook, skype start by themselves and drain my battery
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Yes but, according to Android developers, 2.1 automatically closes these idle programs to prevent that. They claim that android is capable of handling this and that any task manger apps are useless.
Read this article http://androinica.com/2010/05/07/go...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
Since upgrade to 2.1, I installed Task Killer. It cleaned my memory to have available mem from 80MB to 150MB. However, it got some weired behaviour such as
- X10 got lag for a moment when the screen is just back on.
- when the screen is just back on, Wifi cannot reconnect. I have to disable and enable it again.
So I read to post of Android multitasking and I try it by disable AutoKill but keep the widget on the sceen to see the available mem.
My mem keep available around 70-80MB and X10 performance is increase. No more lag or have to re-enable wifi after screen is back on.
I already remove Taskkiller but installed Watchdog instead. Because there are some bad coding software out there which comsume the battery and CPU even you've exited. In such a case, I have to kill those apps manually.
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You want the memory to be as full as possible!!! This means that those often used tasks are there, waiting. This is not Windows! Stop forcing Android to reload everything from scratch! No wonder things are lagging for you.
I've done many experiment about it.
Here's few conclusion, everything you guys claims are all true.
Android is nix base, fulfilling ram mean more cache, more speed.
However, more process mean more CPU usage in some service.
Some softwares are not properly coded, it, unfortunately, doesn't release the resource when it exits
And it's also true that force killing it, will eat more battery because without properly closing, it will eventually open up again
I suggest, instead of killing a task using ATK.
try this one.
http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller
It teaches android how to deal with the memory, so it's android who do your dirty job.
Hmm.... I take a look at at autokiller. I think it's better to let Android handle the mem for me. What I'm looking for is an apps that monitor backgound processes/apps that consumes CPU and memory which they should not.
Once identify those apps, I need to kill them individually.
Watchdog paid version suits me well on this purpose. I can put those apps in the blacklist. If they consumes more CPU in the background process, Watchdog will kill them automatically.
I may consider autokiller when I have of low memory warning from my X10 which is currently I have not.
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I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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Try install these app
1. RamDroid
2. Advance Task Killer- set the killing frequency to 'switch screen off'
3. CpuTuner (setcpu)- i prefer use the 'ondemand' frequency cos i wan to conserve battery.
all free app.. and need rooted phones. it quite user friendly. jus play with it awhile, u'll know how to use.
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I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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I'm using minfreemanager from market with aggressive option, what gives me ~70MB free RAM by the Android's native taskkiller. It's the best choice as of the 2.1 have a lot services running in backround and nobody should harm them.
Trust me, minfreemanager is your weapon against slowness
I don't know what the deal is but this is continually happening to me and across different roms. I am using the built in "Task Manager" feature of touchwiz to monitor what processes are using my cpu. I am finding that some things are sitting there using between 15-45% cpu at all times even when in the background. For example:
Today right before my lunch I checked the task manager, I stared at it for 2 minutes to make sure there was no cpu activity, when I saw that everything looked to me normal I clocked out for my lunch and left work. By the time I was done eating (my phone had been in my pocket the entire time by the way) I checked my phone to see what time it was and noticed that I had lost about 12% battery life in 30 minutes. I immediately opened task manager and found that Browser was in the red and running at a constant 45% cpu usage. I immediately exited the browser. I find that this is happening with other apps as well.
What could be causing this? And more importantly will ICS fix it?
Interesting. Browsers are always killing it for me.
For example I use Dolphin Browser. The ad-dons like Google services and tab switcher kill battery like a mother and also put a ton of CPU stress on the processor.
Only thing I can say is make sure to close out all apps because apps running in a background may run rampant.
Yeah that shouldn't be happening.
I do hope a feature is implemented into android to have a 'do not run list' unless opened by user.
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Interesting. Browsers are always killing it for me.
For example I use Dolphin Browser. The ad-dons like Google services and tab switcher kill battery like a mother and also put a ton of CPU stress on the processor.
Only thing I can say is make sure to close out all apps because apps running in a background may run rampant.
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What I've resorted to is closing all web pages when im done and backing out of apps that I know have started to run out of control sometimes. There has to be an easier way though.
What about times like today when im researching something and have to run out for lunch and just throw my phone in my pocket with 8 browser windows open? I have to go back and find all the pages because I had to close them all out in fear that my battery would drain?
There has to be a better way. I switched to android bevaseu of the horrible memory management apple has. I would hate to leave android beacuse it couldnt control backgournd processes and let my battery be destroyed.
Memory management is good on these phones. Bad memory management causes slow downs.
What you're looking for is app management. I know some may jump on the me for saying anything about a task manager, but you might want to try one out.
Though I'd only recommend using it for the programs you're having issues with. Set it to 'only' kill the problem apps. Not any other apps or system processes.
What browser are you using? If it's happened across multiple roms, it may be an issue with that browser. Better to treat the problem (the app) than the symptom (battery getting drained)
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Memory management is good on these phones. Bad memory management causes slow downs.
What you're looking for is app management. I know some may jump on the me for saying anything about a task manager, but you might want to try one out.
Though I'd only recommend using it for the programs you're having issues with. Set it to 'only' kill the problem apps. Not any other apps or system processes.
What browser are you using? If it's happened across multiple roms, it may be an issue with that browser. Better to treat the problem (the app) than the symptom (battery getting drained)
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Well see its happening with the same apps across different roms so I know its either an android problem or a touchwiz problem. Can you reccomend any apps that will auto close apps if they start using too much CPU or an app that would allow auto kill on exit? Thank you.
There's not any apps like that, at least yet. Task killers kill whether the app is using alot of cpu or not.
What apps are causing you issues? Have you compared what apps you have on your phone to entropy512's thread about known battery drainers?
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There's not any apps like that, at least yet. Task killers kill whether the app is using alot of cpu or not.
What apps are causing you issues? Have you compared what apps you have on your phone to entropy512's thread about known battery drainers?
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I remember seeing that thread somewhere before but don't know how to find it again.
Can you reccomend any task killer apps?
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My favorite with my captivate was auto task manger. When you first open it, it tries to get you to update but the update is garbage.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mizusoft.autotaskmanager&hl=en
I haven't used one with my sgs II. Hasn't needed one so far.
Here's a link to the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308030
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My favorite with my captivate was auto task manger. When you first open it, it tries to get you to update but the update is garbage.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mizusoft.autotaskmanager&hl=en
I haven't used one with my sgs II. Hasn't needed one so far.
Here's a link to the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308030
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Thank you, I will read through this.
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Is there a possible way to completely terminate app on home button press? Because everytime my friends use my phone they didn't realize there is a back button.. So they just presses the home button like they were using idevices.. This would hog the memory with the running apps and i have to constantly close them everytime they finish playing..
ICS does have this feature but im running GB atm..
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Doesn't matter. Android automatically manages those tasks when they're sent to the background. You're supposed to use the home button like that. Gingerbread is very efficient at handling tasks and RAM. Hence no need for any task killers/manual killing of apps. It's unnecessary. They'll automatically be purged from memory when a freshly opened app needs to take their place in memory to run. I know it feels satisfying to always kill every running app (coming from Symbian S60) and think that you have all the RAM free, but its pointless and of no use.
RAM is supposed to be full. Unused/empty RAM is considered to be wasted RAM. The RAM will be managed completely by the Android system without user intervention. The only time you'll ever need to manually kill an app is if it's misbehaving and causing stability issues.
So continue using the home button like that, there's nothing wrong.
Take a look at this excellent article to get a clear idea -
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
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So it's best to left the apps running?
But these apps are different to services right? I mean, when it's running in the background it's counted as inactive? Because my friend's SGS2 had plethora of active services running and it drains battery like crazy..
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Only concern I can see is if an app isnt killed and is still active in the background, it could use cpu/battery power, but if it's Instantly killed it won't anymore.
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So it's best to left the apps running?
But these apps are different to services right? I mean, when it's running in the background it's counted as inactive? Because my friend's SGS2 had plethora of active services running and it drains battery like crazy..
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They will only drain power if the apps are requesting CPU which any good app shouldn't. RAM needs power but I believe its being powered the same whether full or partially full and I imagine RAM requires little power. There are some that will drain battery if left running, and those are the ones that you may have to kill but it shouldn't be the norm.