Guys I'm totally new to smartphones so I need an advise. I would like to buy myself Moto Atrix but I don't want to buy a data plan for it. I plan on using Rogers pay-as-you-go voice sim card and use wifi for data. Is that even possible on the smartphone? Also I plan on using this phone in europe so question is would a pre paid voice sim work on this phone in europe? Oh and one more question if the voice sim with wifi for data would work would I be able to use all the internet apps on the phone or some would not work over wifi?
Thanks for your time
It is possible and a great way to save money. As long as rogers supports quad band GSM and not CMDA (like verizon), then you can use the voice and texting features of this phone all you wish.
Some things to note:
The phone must be unlocked and have some kind of wifi connection established to set up a motoblur account, (buy a used one not a new one).
Google Maps and navigation will not work unless you can find some kind of cacheing program.
Voice actions will not work, they require the google servers to process your voice.
Rogers may decide to change your service manually if they are like At&t. Check out other GSM networks if they try to do this to you.
Thanks for a quick reply. Now why should I buy a used phone? I think right now new/used prices are close. Also would google maps work in a wifi hotspot? I know that I can't use it unless I'm in the wifi hotspot. The same thing with voice commands souldn't they work as long as I'm in the wifi hotspot? I plan on using CoPilot software on the phone so I guess I wouldn't need any data connection for that right?
Thanks
If you are in a wifi hotspot, your phone will work identically to a phone with a data plan. You must buy it used because to activate moto blur initially, you must have a data connetion (data plan) to sign in, or else it wont let you continue (You cannot enable wifi yet).
Oh I didn't know about motoblur account. Is there a way around that by rooting the phone? What about using my firends sim with data to do that?
I think the process fails and then it'll ask you if you want to connect via wifi..no need for a data connection..
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You must buy it used because to activate moto blur initially, you must have a data connetion (data plan) to sign in, or else it wont let you continue (You cannot enable wifi yet).
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No it's not true. I signed up a motoblur account over the WiFi. I bought mine at costco.com as an upgrade to my original ATT HTC Fuze and I do not have a data plan.
Sean
you can make a blur account on the internet from a real computer
Just add data and quit being cheap. They make basic phones for people who don't see the value in paying for internet.
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Is it possible to get the Titan to work on any service (US) without paying for the data plan? Ignore for a second that it has Wifi, i mean actually using a data plan without paying for the service. I was thinking with that, I could see about sourcing a WM6 SIp Softphone and run it through my Sip Server I run at home.
http://www.tvlesson.com/video/1125_how-to-hack-verizon-wireless-phone.html
See, these guys, on Verizon, changed their phone to use the guy's home proxy server. Now, of course, to get to your home proxy server, it would still need to traverse the Verizon network to be able to get to there. I wonder if it would be possible to get to that point.
This too:
http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/free-mobile-web-hack-verizon-wireless-02160220/
Basically what I was thinking is that with Google Voice + Gizmo, if I could get this thing on the internet, I could get a SIP Softphone and basically have unlimited calls on a mobile phone for $10 a year.
/bump to see if anyone has any suggestions
It isnt possbile to use data and not pay for it. I dont know if you can have friends and family on pay as you go. But you could add the google voice number to that list and then have free calling.
The alternative, I guess, would be to have it as a WiFi enabled SIP Phone. Not as good, but unless they make a micro Clear antennae adapter thats USB, I can't see another way. Verizon's data plans are ridiculously expensive when not packaged with a voice plan $50 a month for 5gbs, so that doesnt seem like a feasible option for this idea.
[Q] How do I use my Vibrant for gps and wifi while avoiding roaming related charges when in Canada or another country?
[A] this is the question I asked support at t-mobile. I got 2 answers, neither were completely correct. The problem is that you cannot block IMs and phone calls from reaching your mobile unless you go into airplane mode. (Note that you will receive charges for IMs and for calls you do not pick up as long as they register on your phone. This is what I was told by one rep. Other reo said that I should not be able to receive these since my account was not set up for international services, but as msgs and calls came in, I got worried.)
The short of it is this: for $20, I bought CoPilot off the android market and downloaded the North America maps. This app does not require data connection, and it works remarkably well. I then put the phone into air plane mode. After doing this, I enabled gps and wifi. This allowed me block all direct calls and IMs while retaining the ability the ability to use the phone for gps and for browsing when there was an available wifi network. (having a google voice account actual enabled me to send IMs when connected to a wifi network.)
It all worked so well, I am further considering dropping my data plan altogether since the places I typically use the internet are places with wifi (though perhaps I will wait until the 2.2 update is pushed.)
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[Q] How do I use my Vibrant for gps and wifi while avoiding roaming related charges when in Canada or another country?
[A] this is the question I asked support at t-mobile. I got 2 answers, neither were completely correct. The problem is that you cannot block IMs and phone calls from reaching your mobile unless you go into airplane mode. (Note that you will receive charges for IMs and for calls you do not pick up as long as they register on your phone. This is what I was told by one rep. Other reo said that I should not be able to receive these since my account was not set up for international services, but as msgs and calls came in, I got worried.)
The short of it is this: for $20, I bought CoPilot off the android market and downloaded the North America maps. This app does not require data connection, and it works remarkably well. I then put the phone into air plane mode. After doing this, I enabled gps and wifi. This allowed me block all direct calls and IMs while retaining the ability the ability to use the phone for gps and for browsing when there was an available wifi network. (having a google voice account actual enabled me to send IMs when connected to a wifi network.)
It all worked so well, I am further considering dropping my data plan altogether since the places I typically use the internet are places with wifi (though perhaps I will wait until the 2.2 update is pushed.)
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In terms of GPS, you are correct, you would have to purchase a third party GPS app for that (since google maps doesn't cache. Well it does, but if you find yourself lost after choosing a route and don't have wifi available then you are forced to turn on data so it can redownload your route, since it only caches your route and nearby streets.) To block incoming phone calls you just set up unconditional call forwarding (**21*18056377243# send) which will forward all of your calls to VoiceMail. The 1805 number can be replaced with your VM provider of choice (ie Google voice.) To undo, just dial ##21# and send. After that just disable data roaming and you are good.
In terms of stopping IM/SMS/MMS, just have care add message blocking (or better yet, go to your tmobile account and add it from there) its a free service that blocks all incoming or outgoing sms/mms/email as sms/IM. Sometimes the reps will just add the sms/mms block so you might want to add it yourself from the site.
Also if you purchased the vibrant on a contract then you can't remove your data.
pyrusman said:
[Q] How do I use my Vibrant for gps and wifi while avoiding roaming related charges when in Canada or another country?
[A] this is the question I asked support at t-mobile. I got 2 answers, neither were completely correct. The problem is that you cannot block IMs and phone calls from reaching your mobile unless you go into airplane mode. (Note that you will receive charges for IMs and for calls you do not pick up as long as they register on your phone. This is what I was told by one rep. Other reo said that I should not be able to receive these since my account was not set up for international services, but as msgs and calls came in, I got worried.)
The short of it is this: for $20, I bought CoPilot off the android market and downloaded the North America maps. This app does not require data connection, and it works remarkably well. I then put the phone into air plane mode. After doing this, I enabled gps and wifi. This allowed me block all direct calls and IMs while retaining the ability the ability to use the phone for gps and for browsing when there was an available wifi network. (having a google voice account actual enabled me to send IMs when connected to a wifi network.)
It all worked so well, I am further considering dropping my data plan altogether since the places I typically use the internet are places with wifi (though perhaps I will wait until the 2.2 update is pushed.)
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Or if you want to keep the FULL functionality of your phone while traveling internationally you could buy a prepaid SIM for a carrier in the country you're visiting.
Col.Kernel said:
Or if you want to keep the FULL functionality of your phone while traveling internationally you could buy a prepaid SIM for a carrier in the country you're visiting.
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this ^^
If you did not want to get a SIM, you could just take your t-mo sim out. This way you could still use wifi, then use Google voice for texts and VM.
I have an Atrix 4G that is rooted, unlocked, and I have custom firmware on it. Will at&t still be able to recognize that it is a smartphone?
Yes.
Been doing it for a year or better on my Daughters Atrix. Just call and get a data block on the number that the phone will use and you are set. There is one downside. No pictures in messaging.
I tried controlling the cellular data use myself before I called about the data block. No matter what I tried the phone still got tagged for using mobile data and the plan was upgraded to include data. There is probably a way to block data without impacting the plan, but I couldn't find it and just had it blocked.
She gets her photos using a third party texting app over wifi so it's not too big of a deal.
Wanting to buy the Gear S but without a monthly paid subscription from a carrier (because they oblige me to sign the contract for 2 years, and i know I am not going to keep the Gear S that much time) , but i want to know what options should i request for the pre-paid SIM.
More internet or more voice minutes or more SMS?
the transfer from phone to watch (when not connected through BT) is made through data transfer or through voice? the paid subscription does not specify that.
nobody knows what type of communication the watch uses, except BT?
bogdan_wrc said:
nobody knows what type of communication the watch uses, except BT?
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Your questions are a little confusing.
If your watch it connect to bluetooth on phone then everything uses phone. Data voice everything. If its not. Connected to phone it can use wifi or mobile data
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Your questions are a little confusing.
If your watch it connect to bluetooth on phone then everything uses phone. Data voice everything. If its not. Connected to phone it can use wifi or mobile data
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i do not understand your answer.
ok, than let me rephrase.
if the watch is not connected to the phone through BT (due to the fact that the phone is away from the watch), how the notifications are sent from phone to watch? through data transfer or through voice transfer?
the pre-pay SIM used in watch allow me to choose between 1gb of data transfer or 1000 voice minutes per month.
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i do not understand your answer.
ok, than let me rephrase.
if the watch is not connected to the phone through BT (due to the fact that the phone is away from the watch), how the notifications are sent from phone to watch? through data transfer or through voice transfer?
the pre-pay SIM used in watch allow me to choose between 1gb of data transfer or 1000 voice minutes per month.
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When you place phone calls it will use minutes. When you use internet for browsing or syncing remotely or dowloading it will use data. Trade off is personal choice. Personally i would go with minutes since i have a sim for emergency only. However i went with a payg that gives me a little of both.
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Wanting to buy the Gear S but without a monthly paid subscription from a carrier (because they oblige me to sign the contract for 2 years, and i know I am not going to keep the Gear S that much time) , but i want to know what options should i request for the pre-paid SIM.
More internet or more voice minutes or more SMS?
the transfer from phone to watch (when not connected through BT) is made through data transfer or through voice? the paid subscription does not specify that.
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Unless the two devices are on the same carrier you'll be using all 3.. Minutes, sms and data. The gear doesn't use much data but u can get all 3 pretty cheap on prepaid
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Unless the two devices are on the same carrier you'll be using all 3.. Minutes, sms and data. The gear doesn't use much data but u can get all 3 pretty cheap on prepaid
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out of curiosity, what does being on the same carrier have to do with anything?
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out of curiosity, what does being on the same carrier have to do with anything?
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Well if you already have a plan with them you can just add the gear for $5-$10 a month without a contract. And some carriers have unlimited calling/sms between prepaid & postpaid accounts which would give you unlimited forwarding. The data part is trickier but I'm on an at&t account with the watch and it has used under 50mb in almost 30 days.
my devices will be on the same carrier. i will chose the option for unlimited minutes and SMS and use wifi and phone data transfer..
Hi so I recently activated the unlimited free text and calling from textnow on my samsung galaxy s8+ unlocked sm-g955u on their sprint network. When I had first done it I realized I was able to use free high speed data throughout much of my device with the exception of some games and apps it wouldnt work on.
So I set out trying to find away to bypass restrictions and limitations of the free data I had. I couldnt figure it out in the least, I tried everything I knew to hide usage. And in the process something horrible happened, I lost all that free data on everything except for the google search bar app. In which the google search bar you can search anything you want and all the results come up super fast. The catch is, I can no longer click any links and load pages beyond it. It just sits on a white blank page after clicking a link.
I tried to figure out what I did to change it or put their (I'm assuming) normal restrictions of data usage back in place where it was meant to be from the beginning. I havent been able to unlock the data since.. I e tried vpn like psiphon pro that I could use to get free high speed unlimited data from any captive portal login. But it doesnt work, rather textnow refuses to connect. Any sort of vpn textnow seemingly rejects the connection and I cant even place texts or calls.
I know textnow uses the sprint lte data service for its software. I know there is what I would call high speed lte data associated with my activated sim for text now. I can tell just simply by the load speeds of the google search bar reguardless of what you search for. That and what I had experienced when I first activated my sim and device.
So I'm coming here for a little help in brainstorming how myself and many other people who activated their own unlocked device in the talk and text plan, can bypass the restrictions textnow places on where the data can be used at. The data now is restricted to just textnow and google search (also nessecary functional apps) I know there is a way to hide this use of data, I tried the captive portal login which is speedy, but on pie i cant open the login into a browser to spread the service and i cant find a way to use the portal login to search anywhere else but textnow webpage.
Any ideas people? I'm sure many many people would benefit greatly to a loophole if any were found, and there is a loophole because my device was at first capable of near unrestricted data access before i tried to fully unlock it. If you know someone that might have some valuable input please tell them about this discussion and bring them here.
Sinister
I've been trying to find the same thing with no luck
Slickmin1 said:
I've been trying to find the same thing with no luck
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I realize this post is from last year, but I just ran across it and wanted to give my input in the event it may help somebody. As most TextNow subscribers are aware, T-Mobile's prior acquisition of the Sprint network is now geared towards shutting down the Sprint 3G & 4G networks nationwide. In fact, the lights have already went out on the former, while the 4G side is slated for complete shutdown by mid-2022. Accordingly, TextNow is presently migrating all subscribers over to T-Mobile's GSM 4G-LTE/5G nationwide network. Subscribers who were already using Sprint compatible devices are receiving free upgraded GSM SIM cards from TextNow to make the transition seamless. Unfortunately, this will likely be the end of all the free high speed 4G-LTE data subscribers enjoyed while connected to Sprint's network. This free data exploit was due to a proxy anomaly caused by the default reverse tunneling settings of certain brands and models of smartphones. While the knowledge will do little good now, the "restrictions" of using the data device-wide, across all apps and services, could be bypassed by setting up pdaNET+ on the TextNow device as host access point. Then, by enabling a WiFi direct hotspot via local proxy, the connection could be shared by a Windows 10/11 PC or laptop, by way of the pdaNET+ client-side setup. Then, by using the native Windows 10/11 hotspot feature, the data connection could be resolved and shared by other mobile devices in a normal device-wide manner. So while the TextNow host device would be unable to use the data across all apps and services, any devices connected to the Windows hotspot would have unfettered and unrestricted use of the data. Depending on how tech-savvy you wanted to be, the Windows PC Ethernet port could be used to traffic the data into a home router or extender for expanded sharing. Great while it lasted. I just recently received my TextNow GSM SIM in the mail, and haven't yet had time to experiment with data connectivity or exploits thereof. I will keep my findings posted here as I probe the uncharted waters .
So as you might or might not know, there already is a pseudo free data that is running on the google servers. Example: open a browser and search through google and you will get the results, its slow so I'm assuming its 3g. but they have a firewall that is blocking every other site unless its running via google servers.
You could theoretically setup a google hosted server yourself, maybe rent a cloud server out from google and run programs through there. run a tunnel through that for unlimited data on the phone. Someone just has to figure out how to do that.
For anyone reading this and wondering what we're talking about. Textnow is a free phone app you can use with their SIM/network and never pay a dime for phone service and texting, including media texting. It's totally free.
If this were to be more useful in terms of what sites we could visit, it would be a lot more lucrative.
Another idea I had, if someone has a pentesting rig that can run this network and see which ip addresses are being blocked, we could start building a list of sites that are whitelisted, both IP's and hostname resolved (http/s for example) this would allow us to see where we can start digging to find a place to setup a tunnel here.
I know that google has server hosting via their cloud computing network, you can even host DHCP style servers on it, so you could theoretically use this to tunnel through if the google server IP range is whitelisted. which it might be..
Google has an VPN that's free with Fi, so maybe you can pay for the VPN if you don't use Fi, therefore it's going through Google servers to then the user, so maybe if it costs less than TN's 1GB plan, we could consider it if it works.