I was wondering how many of you might be put off by the fact that the Flyer is shipping with Gingerbread and not Honeycomb - even though it will get Honeycomb later.
Appreciate the feedback.
I love the idea of the scribe technology, but considering how small it is and battery life....plus it is not shipping with Honeycomb and the price is going to be higher than comparable devices....
It's sad as I have owned only HTC phones. I love their quality.
The scribe technology I LOVE! I can see so many added benefits of this - especially in syncing with Evernote. I also see a benefit with those having children.
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I love the idea of the scribe technology,
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There were some internal docs from either bestbuy or costco that were reporting a 10.1" screen edition as well later in the summer.
I'd pay top dollar for Scribe + 10.1". There is a serious dearth of handwriting systems for android. Now if we could just get an OCR input system (e.g. Graffiti for the old Palm PDAs). I've seen a demo of scribe, and it doesn't look like it does input analog>digital, maybe I'm missing something. Still better than nothing.
There was also one more interesting quip about Android 3.0 in Eldar’s article. According to him, if a hardware partner releases the tablet on Android 2.x version of OS, as per licensing agreement for Android 3.0, they are not allowed to update Android 2.x tablets to 3.0 version.
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so if the news(rumors) are true, htc flyer won't be getting any honeycomb due to licensing issues?
source: http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/03/27/google-nexus-tablet-with-android-3-x-to-be-made-by-lg-android-2-x-tablets-wont-upgrade-to-3-0/
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so if the news(rumors) are true, htc flyer won't be getting any honeycomb due to licensing issues?
source: http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/03/27/google-nexus-tablet-with-android-3-x-to-be-made-by-lg-android-2-x-tablets-wont-upgrade-to-3-0/
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I'd say that is probably just a rumour. I've not heard it from any other source. The article at unwiredreview is the only article that author has written and his dubious source of information is a Russian website that he links to
Also this from a far more reliable source:
From @HTC
@Farhadinho Absolutely. We are committed to offering a Honeycomb upgrade as soon as possible after Flyer's release.
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Edit: Whether or not Google are restricting froyo-honeycomb upgrades, it seems the Flyer has got the green light:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/HTC-...r&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter_web
What's all the hype over Honeycomb? I mean, what features do you gain other than all the overhype of being "tablet optimized. "
From my experience with the Xoom, tablet optimized means crashes at will and won't run crap......
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What's all the hype over Honeycomb? I mean, what features do you gain other than all the overhype of being "tablet optimized. "
From my experience with the Xoom, tablet optimized means crashes at will and won't run crap......
Tabbed on my Galaxy 987
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I agreee - I'd rather wait for a stable version.
The Xoom is a worst case scenario. Made by Motorola, released prematurely.
The main benefit I see from Honeycomb is apps which are designed to run on larger screens, instead or "over-inflated" phone apps
Great I can't wait, however....
I can't wait for this tablet to come to market. Ofcourse there will be things I do not like, one is the fact it is not a phone. It is a tablet, and I want a tablet also to be a phone. Since it has 3g enabled I think a phone application is not hard to install. Any ideas on this?
Was all for the flyer as I'm a massive HTC fan ,but just ordered the ASUS transformer as it suits my want for a tablet and the need for a net book for the kids and it has honeycomb already and has good reviews
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Won't be buying due to the fact that I already have a galaxy tab (Big Mistake!!) Although the design and ui of the flyer look good, along with the fact that htc are good with updates, and a lot of people I have talked too like the pen. Not sure about the onlive myself due to the fact that you have to use a onlive controller (what are you meant to do with the tablet if the controller is in both hands?)
http://twitter.com/htc/status/60125525049491456
From HTC's twitter, in response to my questions about the Flyer. They are saying it will get a Honeycomb update.
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Not sure about the onlive myself due to the fact that you have to use a onlive controller (what are you meant to do with the tablet if the controller is in both hands?)
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The idea is that you stream the game to your tv, so the flyer just replaces the normal onlive box that is sold, playing games on the flyer screen is also possible, but i agree that it sounds somewhat difficult :/ maybe they are going to sell some sort of case/stand like the Xoom and iPad have
but yes all the rumors suggest (from staples leaked sheets that a 10 and 8.9 inch honeycomb tablet from htc are coming this june, maybe thats when flyer will get update
id like to see what they do to sense considering there is that base bar on the honeycomb though
HTC Flyer (Evo View)
I'm disappointed in HTC's first tablet. Just the screen size is what disappoints me. Wondering why they dont add the 3D into it like the G-Slate has, after all they are coming out with a new EVO3d that i will be picking up once released!. Companies are struggling to separate themselves from everyone else when these android tablets are going to start looking identical, but HTC has their SenseUI and now Scribe which in my book gives them the edge! I'm just excited to see what happens with 3rd party firmware tweaking for performance to eliminate the possibility of skipping. MikFroyo and Fresh both have wonderful Firmwares that made my Evo many times better in terms of performance while clearing out the clutter
The LG tablet does not have a 3some screen, only 3d camera, a 3some screen of that size would add a lot of extra cost, it just wouldn't be worth it, but yes a bigger screen would have been a better choice by htc, but then again if you look at the first Android phones they made and compare them to what they have now....great things I predict to come
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Game over for me. I just cancelled my preorder since the release date is going to slip again. Im travelling early June and want to make sure I have something to travel with so I ordered the Galaxy Tab 10.1v which I can pick up in a week or so.
Im gutted really! I really wanted a 7" tablet and REALLY wanted a HTC. I will check back here and see what you guys think of it after release *sniff*
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Guys! now I am fed up..seems that they will never release honeycomb upgrade...
Anybody any news???
Try living in the US and being ignored even when it comes to small updates.
Think we'll see Honeycomb around the time the Puccini launches? You'd think, but it really appears that HTC has ignored the Flyer.
Try not being updated since launch.... screw it. Above post is most believable, Honeycomb when Jetstream/Skyrocket/Puccini launches.
We should bother the sh%t outta them about it. Seems to works.
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We should bother the sh%t outta them about it. Seems to works.
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LOL XD, I will call them.
Same here, paid in full for the 32gb 3g tablet on day one to use it for my work (illustration/concept design) because of the n-trig digitizer and form factor... Now 4 months later, i only use it for some dumb web browsing, mail checkin and occasionnal movie watchin, stuff that i could perfectly perform on my phone... The scribe sdk (recently released) seems to be 3.x specific from what i understand... AND NOW I'M MAD AS HELL, FED UP OF WAITING. Feel cheated and insulted by the total lack of communication. Should have wait and go for the upcoming Lenovo Thinkpad tablet with nvidia cpu, full size host usb, fullsize sdcard reader and honeycomb out of the box...
I just wish htc would communicate
If somebody know who to hit (that would matter), i'm down for some good old fashion mass emailing, or any action that would get em to give us a goddamn answer
Nox
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Same here, paid in full for the 32gb 3g tablet on day one to use it for my work (illustration/concept design) because of the n-trig digitizer and form factor... Now 4 months later, i only use it for some dumb web browsing, mail checkin and occasionnal movie watchin, stuff that i could perfectly perform on my phone... The scribe sdk (recently released) seems to be 3.x specific from what i understand... AND NOW I'M MAD AS HELL, FED UP OF WAITING. Feel cheated and insulted by the total lack of communication. Should have wait and go for the upcoming Lenovo Thinkpad tablet with nvidia cpu, full size host usb, fullsize sdcard reader and honeycomb out of the box...
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With all respect, how did you plan to use your Flyer? For which kind of work? Why do you think the current software is incapable? It would be good if you can share with us.
If you think that you can not use efficiently the current Flyer for your work I am afraid that you will still be disappointed when the Honeycomb comes. IMHO, the Honeycomb will not bring significant changes in the Flyer's productivity.
BTW, Lenovo Thinkpad is 10" tablet which is in a complete different category. And Chinese Lenovo quality in general is worse than HTC's (I own an Lenovo T serie laptop, It's bad). I think HTC Puccini will be better than the Lenovo Tablet.
I 100% agree!! 100%.
It's not that HC will solve all of our issues or bring in Earth shattering functionality. That's not the point nor my immediate concern.
It's the complete lack of communication and the complete lack of backing.
HTC marketed scribe, where are the new apps supporting it? Where is the communication letting users know that supporting apps are coming?
HTC promised honeycomb "shortly after launch", where is it? Where's the communication?
Heck, where are the accessories?
If HTC is going to position themselves as a company that innovates on top of Android, then they have to do better than this...
My recommendation to you guys is to annoy the heck out of them on twitter and on their facebook page... I try to post to them every now and then just to be a pain in the ass
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With all respect, how did you plan to use your Flyer? For which kind of work? Why do you think the current software is incapable? It would be good if you can share with us.
If you think that you can not use efficiently the current Flyer for your work I am afraid that you will still be disappointed when the Honeycomb comes. IMHO, the Honeycomb will not bring significant changes in the Flyer's productivity.
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Sorta have to agree here. After playing with Honeycomb tablets in the stores, I'm wondering what all the fuss is about. Gingerbread + Sense makes the Flyer a wonderful tablet, IMHO.
Yeah, I'd like to see more pen aware apps. But I suspect it's only a matter of time before they start showing up (especially once other manufacturers adopt N-trig pen technology). And even if they don't, the ability to jot down notes is still worth the price of admission, IMHO.
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Sorta have to agree here. After playing with Honeycomb tablets in the stores, I'm wondering what all the fuss is about. Gingerbread + Sense makes the Flyer a wonderful tablet, IMHO.
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I agree here also. All the current HC tablets are laggy. HC has a few cool features, and looks nice. But the eye candy comes at the expense of performance. And none of the HC features missing from Gingerbread are real deal breakers. HTC is probably trying to figure out how to incorporate Sense without making HC even more laggy. Compared to current HC tablets, the Flyer GB experience is smoother and faster in most respects.
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With all respect, how did you plan to use your Flyer? For which kind of work? Why do you think the current software is incapable? It would be good if you can share with us.
If you think that you can not use efficiently the current Flyer for your work I am afraid that you will still be disappointed when the Honeycomb comes. IMHO, the Honeycomb will not bring significant changes in the Flyer's productivity.
BTW, Lenovo Thinkpad is 10" tablet which is in a complete different category. And Chinese Lenovo quality in general is worse than HTC's (I own an Lenovo T serie laptop, It's bad). I think HTC Puccini will be better than the Lenovo Tablet.
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u may be right, maybe i'm trippin, but i know for sure that Autodesk Sketchbook pro for honeycomb is supposed to support the scribe/n-trig digitizers, so for now unfortunately it feels like this HC update is my best chance to be able to use the flyer as a digital sketchbook. I also keep an anxious eye on that Fresco thread in the meantime, and i sure hope the somebody can make this happen Gingerbread flavor... nobody likes a laggy tablet
for info, i plan to use it to do my preliminary sketches and color studies on the go. The note app combined with evernote may be great for note taking and sketching basic ideas, but misses alot of basic features to call it a painting app (canvas size, simple color mixing/picking, etc...)
i agree about the lenovo feeling pretty cheap compared to htc, but i really like the features, and it should run Sketchbook pro (for instance) with pen pressure out of the box... but i sure like the flyer form factor... i'm just reallyreallyreally frustrated right now...
Anybody knows when pretends HTC offer the Puccini?
September? October? November? Christmast?
I can try wait until Christmast... Not sure...
Depends on the roms...
And of course, i luv this tablet is perfect 4 me
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Well, one thing is sure... Anyone of us that have performed the s-off method will not be able to upgrade anyhow! Unless guys here find a way to conform the HTC OTA protocol or HTC add geek allowance into their updates with a warning!
To be honest, I'm with others on here, I've tried HC, and unless HTC have given an even better Sense cover to it, it does not give me any thoughts of upgrade... They still have not fixed PPTP VPN for goodness sake....!
what is actually honeycomb.....
Honeycomb is a new version of Android (3.0) specifically made for tablets. As of now it is laggy, and not fit to run on the Flyer. ICS, is the version after Honeycomb which is to release this fall, and is one OS that runs on both tabs and phones.
Hi,
why isn´t there a rom with android 3.2?
Best regards
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HTC is probably trying to figure out how to incorporate Sense without making HC even more laggy.
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They have. You can see HTC's UI customizations on the Puccini screenshots.
I received this response yesterday when pushing the issue
@htc: @TheNewDorkTimes The software is in development and we'll post here upon its release. Thank you for asking.” #flyer #honeycomb
again vague....companies like Motorola and HTC are screwing customers with false claims of soon to be released features and updates. This, "sell now and make promises philosophy", is pissing a lot of people off. People take the chance of purchasing the product in good faith expecting they will see what was promised soon. HTC can make great products but I for one will never purchase a product that promises features or capabilities in the near future. I will simply wait for something better or go with a reputable company that actually keeps it word.
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...ng-to-as-many-htc-devices-as-possible-1036042
...xoom posted...
Not conjecture at all. Instead carefully worded market speak for "we will be letting you know soon which of the devices you bought do not meet OUR goals for Android OS updates" Just as they did with the Hero, Eris, etc. that were determined by HTC to be end of life after 5 or 6 months on the market.
Notice that HTC , unlike Motorola and Samsung has not even announced an upcoming new model that will run ICS.
Here's some real conjecture for you.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/1...st-which-tablets-will-get-ice-cream-sandwich/
The one thing we have going for us here is that our HW is not outdated yet, therefore we should be able to keep up to date with android for a while. 1.5ghz 1gb of ram is still very respectable specs, even with all this dual core nonsense being thrown around lately.
Ive thought this for a while, but i wouldnt be surprised to see the Flyer on the list of ICS-bound devices, it would make sense while there is no HC yet..
The hardware is fully capable. Better than anything on the market or announced. The question lies with HTC. Will they invest the time and money given their past problems with getting updates done. Heaven's to Betsy. the Thunderbolt and some of their top of the line are still running Froyo. Thunderbolt was just announced last week that its finally maybe going to get Gingerbread. I'd say not a chance Flyer will see HTC ICS except for the fact that HTC's prime phones use the same or similar processor and the Jetstream tablet as well. So if HTC wants to stay in the game, they are ALMOST compelled to update those and the Flyer may read that again MAY tag along.
So here is my own conjecture. HTC will not invest more money in the Flyer and will not do an ICS, but, Cyanogen (or similar 3rd party) will if Google releases the source code as they promised, possibly using a port of an HTC Jetstream or Sensation ICS update.
Read this for a good perspective of where Google and the Android update schedules actually sit at the moment. Google tired to get a group of hardware makers to agree to timely updates and virtually nothing came from it. Google has no control.
http://www.tested.com/news/what-googles-android-update-deal-means-for-fragmentation/2310/
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Read this for a good perspective of where Google and the Android update schedules actually sit at the moment. Google tired to get a group of hardware makers to agree to timely updates and virtually nothing came from it. Google has no control.
http://www.tested.com/news/what-googles-android-update-deal-means-for-fragmentation/2310/
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Fragmentation is my biggest peeve with Android. In my opinion its one of the reasons it hasn't reached Its full potential and why the android tablet market staggers. Honestly speaking, tomorrow is the last day of my return period and quite honestly I'm having second thoughts now, the only real alternative is a 8.9 inch Samsung sitting on 3.1 with no word on an ICS update either. Say what you want about Apple but someone who buys an iPad2 today doesn't have to worry about upgrades or the manufacturers commitment to their product. The only proactive manufacturer I've seen as of late is MOTO mobility.
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I remain optimistic for the Flyer. I don't expect much from HTC, but I believe one of our independent developers will pick the ICS ball up and run with it.
HTC has shown a previous pattern of leaving their customers behind. I hope it is changing, but I don't count on it.
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Fragmentation is my biggest peeve with Android. In my opinion its one of the reasons it hasn't reached Its full potential and why the android tablet market staggers. Honestly speaking, tomorrow is the last day of my return period and quite honestly I'm having second thoughts now, the only real alternative is a 8.9 inch Samsung sitting on 3.1 with no word on an ICS update either. Say what you want about Apple but someone who buys an iPad2 today doesn't have to worry about upgrades or the manufacturers commitment to their product. The only proactive manufacturer I've seen as of late is MOTO mobility.
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I am holding out hopeful that the new Xoom 2s will save the day for those of us raised in the day of the PDA and waiting for the content-server-tablet to merge with and mature into a scribe-annotation-drawing-tool-slate.
...xoom posted...
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I remain optimistic for the Flyer. I don't expect much from HTC, but I believe one of our independent developers will pick the ICS ball up and run with it.
HTC has shown a previous pattern of leaving their customers behind. I hope it is changing, but I don't count on it.
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I'm keeping mines as well. Mostly because this is getting exhausting and the tablet I've been waiting for doesnt exist yet.
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I am holding out hopeful that the new Xoom 2s will save the day for those of us raised in the day of the PDA and waiting for the content-server-tablet to merge with and mature into a scribe-annotation-drawing-tool-slate.
...xoom posted...
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Wow. The tablet that I'm waiting for is the rumored 7 inch Xoom. We're on the same page.
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Wow. The tablet that I'm waiting for is the rumored 7 inch Xoom. We're on the same page.
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I feel like Goldilocks before knowing what is "just right". My 7" Flyer may be too small...my 10.1" may be too big...could a 8.9" Xoom 2 w/N-Trig be just right? The future looks bright.
The leaks on Android 3.2 looked so good (and close) I am hoping they just shifted their attention to ICS in order to leverge upgrading handsets and tablets at the same time. I know the whole world is gaga about multi-core processors, but in the tablet space, I think our little 1.5ghz Flyers will hold their own for some time to come. Here's to hoping we have a little ice cream goodness around the corner...
i was just wondering, do you think the Jetstream will get ICS?
HTC announced the other day of the first wave of devices that will get it..the Jetstream wasn't on that list. i know not all hope is lost, but i fear they won't update it. and it needs to be updated, the 3.1 is simply the worst.
so, what do you think?
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i'm writing every couple of days on the HTC facebook wall about that, hoping to get some attention..
i think it'll be good if others will do the same.
I have no doubt we will get it. HTC is one of the manufacturers that promised to support android updates for 18 months after a product is released.
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I would be quite surprised and disappointed if the Jetstream wasn't one of the first devices to see ICS. System wide stylus support and better media and social integration would seem to me to align quite well with HTC's goals to have a stand-out device. In it's current configuration the Jetstream just seems eccentric and inefficient. Some of the best hardware being smothered by its software. The removal of h.264 support, the rather ho hum browser and mail apps and lack of quality applications to take advantage of scribe (notes and PDFviewer are rather miserable,) really hamper what could be a stand-out device (in a way other than price.) Here's to hoping some ice cream sandwiches are sufficient to reverse this hypoglycemic techno shock.
that's exactly what i was thinking!
honeycomb 3.1 is the worse android version out there.
and you can actually feel the device suffering with it.
i'm affraid htc won't bother to update it because they only have a couple of tablets, both of them are not best sellers...
i'd be less anxious about it if we had a root access or at least an unlocked bootloader. but htc are taking their sweet time with that as well.
i hope i'm mistaking..
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honeycomb 3.1 is the worse android version out there.
and you can actually feel the device suffering with it.
i'm affraid htc won't bother to update it because they only have a couple of tablets, both of them are not best sellers...
i'd be less anxious about it if we had a root access or at least an unlocked bootloader. but htc are taking their sweet time with that as well.
i hope i'm mistaking..
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Couldn't agree more. It seems like the few of us that bought this device are going to be stuck with what it shipped with - no dev support and no HTC support. Hope I'm wrong too...
As someone who is on the fence about buying this device, the lack of support concerns me. Of course we could all be wrong and htc will support it.
It's unfortunate htc gave this device to AT&T. Can AT&T be charged with tablet-slaughter? I don't think there is a device on the market that compares and won't until sometime after February 2012, at least from an artist's perspective. So I could wait six months or just get one. There will always be a new device coming and if I keep waiting I may never get anything.
Here's hoping htc supports the Jetstream.
the weirdest thing
is that even the bounty got no response.
personally i can't spare the money (espcially after purchasing the Jetstream itself), but 550$ for cracking it, and no takers? i'm worried.
if your not an owner - don't get one.
that's my opinion.
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is that even the bounty got no response.
personally i can't spare the money (espcially after purchasing the Jetstream itself), but 550$ for cracking it, and no takers? i'm worried.
if your not an owner - don't get one.
that's my opinion.
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The thing is I don't plan to root the device. I just want it for sketchbook pro, photoshop touch and general web browsing.
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The thing is I don't plan to root the device. I just want it for sketchbook pro, photoshop touch and general web browsing.
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Then you will love it. I have no doubt. Haven't worked with PS touch, but sketchbook pro is amazing on the jetstream with the stylus..
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I would be quite surprised and disappointed if the Jetstream wasn't one of the first devices to see ICS.
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The Jetstream has all the makings of an orphan. It's only been released (via the carriers) in the U.S. and Canada. I'd guess total sales to be below 50K units total. There was never a Wi-Fi version released and it was never offered through retail channels - the exact opposite of the Flyer. HTC's already announced the quad-core Quattro 10.1 tablet for Q1 2012 in both 3G and Wi-Fi versions. Also, AT&T's just started selling an LTE G-Tab 8.9 with the same processor that's in the Jetstream for a lot less money. They're also throwing in a free Skyrocket as part of the launch which certainly is more aggresive than a free Scribe pen. I think the Jetstream's days are numbered and if it does get ICS its low volume certainly wouldn't put it at the top of HTC's list.
i think your right...
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The Jetstream has all the makings of an orphan. It's only been released (via the carriers) in the U.S. and Canada. I'd guess total sales to be below 50K units total. There was never a Wi-Fi version released and it was never offered through retail channels - the exact opposite of the Flyer. HTC's already announced the quad-core Quattro 10.1 tablet for Q1 2012 in both 3G and Wi-Fi versions. Also, AT&T's just started selling an LTE G-Tab 8.9 with the same processor that's in the Jetstream for a lot less money. They're also throwing in a free Skyrocket as part of the launch which certainly is more aggresive than a free Scribe pen. I think the Jetstream's days are numbered and if it does get ICS its low volume certainly wouldn't put it at the top of HTC's list.
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i'm not sure they can abandon it alltogether. i have no hope from at&t mainly because i don't live in the USA.
HTC must support it in one way or another...i just hope that it won't end in a 3.2 version in 6 monthes from now.
it s-o expensive, and to have spent so much money and be ignored pisses me off.
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i have no hope from at&t mainly because i don't live in the USA.
HTC must support it in one way or another...i just hope that it won't end in a 3.2 version in 6 monthes from now.
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Because it was never sold retail, any updates will only be made available by and through the carriers not HTC directly. As for ICS, I'd guess it depends how much of the work on the Quattro can be easilly ported to the Jetstream and how willing AT&T is to accept the training and documentation liability when so few units were sold.
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Because it was never sold retail, any updates will only be made available by and through the carriers not HTC directly. As for ICS, I'd guess it depends how much of the work on the Quattro can be easilly ported to the Jetstream and how willing AT&T is to accept the training and documentation liability when so few units were sold.
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If I'm not mistaken, the Jetstream had a 6 month or so exclusivity agreement with the carriers prior to being able to be launched through any other channels.... Not sure what will change but we shall see.
BarryH_GEG said:
Because it was never sold retail, any updates will only be made available by and through the carriers not HTC directly. As for ICS, I'd guess it depends how much of the work on the Quattro can be easilly ported to the Jetstream and how willing AT&T is to accept the training and documentation liability when so few units were sold.
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This concerns me about the Jetstream. I really wish there were a way for the consumer to be protected for some amount of time. I just bought one and I like it pretty well. It's decently fast, but so far I think I like my HTC Flyer better!
At least I have 2 weeks if I want to return it. I'm not happy about all the "bloatware" that's included in the device. I wish there were a way to do an "HTC" only install of Honeycomb without all the AT&T junk.
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At least I have 2 weeks if I want to return it.
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I'd return it. If you're OK with Wi-Fi only, I'd wait a month or two as Asus, Lenovo, and Acer have already announced quad-core tablets the latter two come with 2MB of RAM and 1900x1200 displays. If you want a carrier tablet, I'd get the LTE G-Tab 8.9 that launched today. It's got the same processor as the Jetstream, costs a lot less, has a great dev community, is confirmed to get ICS, has a bunch of available accessories, and will have better resale value if you want to sell it. AT&T's running a promotion starting today that offers a free Skyrocket with purchase. I'm using a UK G-Tab 10.1 3G that I bought after I returned my Jetstream and I like it a lot.
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I'd return it. If you're OK with Wi-Fi only, I'd wait a month or two as Asus, Lenovo, and Acer have already announced quad-core tablets the latter two come with 2MB of RAM and 1900x1200 displays. If you want a carrier tablet, I'd get the LTE G-Tab 8.9 that launched today. It's got the same processor as the Jetstream, costs a lot less, has a great dev community, is confirmed to get ICS, has a bunch of available accessories, and will have better resale value if you want to sell it. AT&T's running a promotion starting today that offers a free Skyrocket with purchase. I'm using a UK G-Tab 10.1 3G that I bought after I returned my Jetstream and I like it a lot.
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The bigggest thing for me, is there aren't other tablets that have the active digitizer. That's really why I got the Jetstream. Sure there are more tablets coming, but I don't think they will be really good until we get Windows 8 and wacom active digitizer, but that's a year away. I need a portable sketching machine for a year. This is the best there is unfortunately. Am I missing something? Is there something better with an active digitizer?
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The bigggest thing for me, is there aren't other tablets that have the active digitizer. That's really why I got the Jetstream. Sure there are more tablets coming, but I don't think they will be really good until we get Windows 8 and wacom active digitizer, but that's a year away. I need a portable sketching machine for a year. This is the best there is unfortunately. Am I missing something? Is there something better with an active digitizer?
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that's what i thought. i really wanted an electronic notebook to help me with my studies.
so i took the jetstream for the same reason.
the built-in apps for pen are pretty worthless.
you would probably use an external app that would also run on any other tablet. you should try playing with a simpler tablet using a stylus pen (there are some generic kinds. with fatter tips, but far cheaper) and see how that works for you.
also, you can check out the lenovo thinkpad.
http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/tablet/thinkpad/
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The bigggest thing for me, is there aren't other tablets that have the active digitizer. That's really why I got the Jetstream. Sure there are more tablets coming, but I don't think they will be really good until we get Windows 8 and wacom active digitizer, but that's a year away. I need a portable sketching machine for a year. This is the best there is unfortunately. Am I missing something? Is there something better with an active digitizer?
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The Flyer and Jetstream are the only two tablets even half way decent at pen entry. The Galaxy Note actually has a Wacom digitizer and is excellent for drawing and note taking but I'm guessing it's too small for your needs. ICS is supposed to support pen entry natively but we'll have to see how good it ends up being.
Thanks for the suggestion of the Lenovo thinkpad tablet. I was actually trying to choose between that device and the Jetstream. I chose the Jetstream because I felt like their quality was higher. There have been tons of reports of bad thinkpad tablets.
Galaxy Note was on my list for a new phone, but I think it's too small for what I want. I have some days to return the Jetstream so I will continue to try it out. Also, I noticed there has been a price drop at AT&T to $749 plus a $50 gift card rebate.
I still think maybe AT&T butchered this tablet with sloppy apps and tasks. It's not as fast as it should be. My HTC Flyer seems more responsive.
once we have root and S-OFF, I think this tablet will be the best
I don't know if this is where this goes but I was wondering about the HTC view its not very much and I really want a tablet not a giant one but this one seems nice I just want some user expierences like how good it is or how well it preforms. Also the development is it very supported by devs or easy to root etc. Also if anyone knows of a better tablet within a 300$ limit and I know from sprint this is only like 250$ anyways hope to get some feedback.
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I don't know if this is where this goes but I was wondering about the HTC view its not very much and I really want a tablet not a giant one but this one seems nice I just want some user expierences like how good it is or how well it preforms. Also the development is it very supported by devs or easy to root etc. Also if anyone knows of a better tablet within a 300$ limit and I know from sprint this is only like 250$ anyways hope to get some feedback.
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I have had the View since launch, and I can say that it is a great tablet for all your basic internet browsing, book reading, games, and pretty much everything a tablet is intended to do.
The design is a lot better than a lot of the mostly plastic tablets out there. The scribe, while still missing a lot of functionality, has been useful for a few things.
Now, for the money you can get the Acer 7" WiFi only tablet running 3.2 for $200, but as far as a contract goes I think that the View is great.
I got mine for $250 with the scribe and only pay $35 a month (21% discount btw).
Now, as far as development goes, being as it's so different from the Flyer and only available on Sprint there are few View owners that do development, so if you're a flashaholic be prepared to go a long time without any updates, and no vanilla android. I've tried many launchers to make it look like HC without being satisfied.
Take into account these things and see where the View will fit in with your needs/wants. I don't regret the purchase.
Edit: Apparently an official HC release is imminent, so your wait for a completely new update won't be long.
I was actually thinking about the flyer I know for 16g its 299 and runs with a 1.5ghz processor and has official HC (I think) and seems to have a lot of support. I will be using it more as a gaming device I usually do emulators on my phone OC to 1.5ghz and it runs games smooth and does 4400 on quadrant but it does overrun and I know it won't last long if I push it so I wanted to get a higher end device I would be upgrading to the epic touch but no more special pricing is available. And this is only my first year.
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HTC view is the flyer with 3g/4g radios. I love my view but I'm very biased. My dad loves his flyer.
The honeycomb version for our tablet had some show stopping bugs, so they are not releasing super soon btw. Just heard this but im not discouraged. It's being worked on and will be here before long
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HTC view is the flyer with 3g/4g radios. I love my view but I'm very biased. My dad loves his flyer.
The honeycomb version for our tablet had some show stopping bugs, so they are not releasing super soon btw. Just heard this but im not discouraged. It's being worked on and will be here before long
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Man that sucks, but I'd rather it be right than wrong when they release it. If we could get a leaked version of it, regardless of the bugs, I know you could make it plenty stable. With the otterbox out now I'm loving my view more than ever.
theres like 20 threads asking if someone should buy for every device out there, they are really annoying, i say no!
Get one
Best 7" tablet for the price range
I love mine as well. I live out in the middle of nowhere and went with it instead of the flyer, quite by accident. I actually ordered a 32 gig flyer from amazon and the seller immediately emailed me stating it was a view with the pen, screen protectors and a case included so I didn't argue.
The only drawback is the wasteland that is our development and rom community. Apparently those subtle differences in radios are enough to add months to equivalent distributions.
I knew I wanted a 7" tablet. First, I pre-ordered a Kobo Vox, based on spec sheet, and the idea that the specs seemed comparable to my phone, an HTC EVO Shift, also running Gingerbread. Found out that I was wrong.
So, I then knew I wanted a faster, better 7" tablet. But didn't want to pay >$400! Not too many choices that also got good reviews. And, thinking about it, did want 3G/4G--if not tied to a really costly monthly contract--so as to have ubiquitous access. Quickly found that there were few choices from the carriers, and expensive contracts.
Ended up back @ Sprint, my phone carrier. They had the Flyer @ $249, and their cheapest data plan was, under what else I had on my contract with them, $20/month. That was a winner.
I am very pleased so far; it does everything I wanted it to do, and at a quite reasonable cost.
The real difference between the Flyer and the View is where you'll want to use it when away from your home or office WiFi: if bothered by the idea of finding WiFi when out and about, go with the View. If not, go with the Flyer. The hardware and operating system, I think you'll find, do what you want them to do.
Ill always have my epic with me so its a portable wifi hotspot everywhere I go so its equivalent to the view if I get the flyer however I won't have a monthly payment I have decied on the flyer just because the development it has and its universal thank you for all your help in my decision.
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The biggest issue with the choice between flyer and view, currently, is availability. You might luck up on amazon like I did and find a view cheaper than you can get a flyer, without the attached service plans.
We all have flyers and we love them. I have this question. If you root your flyer and then upgrade the os to ICS, jelly bean and beyond. What would it take for you to want to replace it? What would htc have to do in terms of hardware upgrades, besides the obvious one of putting a multi core processor,or maybe adding gorilla glass to make you pull the trigger on the next one? The prospect of a 7" ipad has me intrigued, but even with that I wonder what I would do with my flyer besides make it an alarm clock and then all the apps i would put it , i am back to wanting to carry it with me again. And that has me seriously considering getting another flyer in case I screw the first one up, trying to root it
The next round of tablets will have at least double the screen resolution of the current, so I would probably move to the larger 10" +, except, see my signature below to find out why I probably won't be interested in future tablets even with faster hardware and better screens.
7-8" screen, internal GPS, $200-300 price point and has support longer than launch day. That's all I look for.
Samsung Galaxy Tab and Galaxy S not getting ICS due to Touchwiz bloat.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/23/2657132/samsung-no-ics-upgrade-for-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab
LOL
same excuse as HTC.............
it'd take a lot for me to go above a 7" tablet...i had a 10" and it was simply way too big
thinner and lighter would have me salivating for an upgrade, though i don't yet feel the need to update my tablet as often as my phone...so it may be the next iteration for me, not the ones directly coming up
actually, there are so many things i DON'T need in a tablet that i'd probably be happy with one of the $100 ebay ripoffs, but i'm too much of a consumer to have one...lol
Im still for the most part very happy with my flyer. esp with the advent of custom roms and oc/uv has made this thing just a treat to play around with. I'm also very happy with it's size.. not too huge. not too small... just right
that said. i've def drooled over the htc jetstream. what bothers me is i can't find it in wifi only anywhere and att is the only one selling them that i could find... but alas.. it's only a dual core...
i think i'll wait and go striaght from single core to quad core for my next tablet. i have been keeping my eye on ASUS recently the prime is cool but came out with a lot of bugs. i was also watching the MEMO 370t quad core 7 inch tab thats supposed to be priced around 250.. u get the same 8mp cam as on the prmie.. but no front facing cam.. and that might be a deal breaker for me as i spend a lot of time on skype with friends and family.
so ... my next flyer would idealy be a quad core dual camera wifi gps THE WERKS!
prolly Q3 or Q4 this year is when i'll be really trying compare whats available and whats up and comming and start planning on getting a new tab.
i already have too many devices to play with lol
2x win mobile phones 2x android phones 1x windows phone 2x android tablets 1x iPad 1x iPhone4s
i wanna start doing video reviews so they start sending me free stuff to review ... *dream job
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I think I'll just see what's available when my contract is up in 2013. I've dropped mine a few times so it has some scuffs.
Hardware I'd like a LED flash for the camera. I'm okay with the 5MP camera, but wouldn't mind a 8MP with full HD recording. That being said, HDMI out is a must. Higher screen resolution would be good too. I think the 1024x600 res can be upgraded. Also seeing how the new iPad has Bluetooth 4.0, that would be nice too. & a better standard pouch. The current one is pathetic.
But I'm not attached to my Flyer at the hip. I'd like another HTC, but if they don't have a new 7" tab soon, I'll have to shop somewhere else....
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This.........
Nokia to release a 10" Windows 8 tablet with dual-core Snapdragon S4 in Q4
I know, blasphemous. But I need more productivity.
@ Digital MD... get a pogoplug... you can stream your own stuff to any device you have
@n7 of 9... do you miss the extra screen real estate of the 10" tablet? I was seriously considering getting a jet stream... cause I wanted another toy... and for the extra screen real estate
For Android tablets, I prefer 7-8". Easier to carry around and easier to hold for reading. My 10" tablet is a Windows 7 tablet and I will probably gets Windows 8 tablet end of the year. Yes... more blasphemy.
Edit: right now it would take a lot for me to get rid of my View. I am on stock HC and love the pen interface. I will probably always get the latest and greatest Archos tablet, but right now the View is the one I always carry with me. I also have the data plan for it which is very convenient.
Bluetooth 4.0 would be great.
A better way to output HDMI (The MHL stuff is just added bulk and works intermittently for me).
7 or 8 inch
better resolution
better gpu
continued scribe support/more apps that take advantage of it
less bezel, more screen real estate
built in kickstand?
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We all have flyers and we love them. I have this question. If you root your flyer and then upgrade the os to ICS, jelly bean and beyond. What would it take for you to want to replace it? What would htc have to do in terms of hardware upgrades, besides the obvious one of putting a multi core processor,or maybe adding gorilla glass to make you pull the trigger on the next one? The prospect of a 7" ipad has me intrigued, but even with that I wonder what I would do with my flyer besides make it an alarm clock and then all the apps i would put it , i am back to wanting to carry it with me again. And that has me seriously considering getting another flyer in case I screw the first one up, trying to root it
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They would have to break into my house and fill my current flyer with holes. My girlfriend is looking for a flyer now even. The flyer runs amazingly regardless of the specs so I have no reason to want anything new. No tablets I've played with yet, impressed me the way the flyer did.
for a tablet, and for my personal useage patterns my Flyer is all I need
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for a tablet, and for my personal useage patterns my Flyer is all I need
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Being totally realistic here.. if the flyer or the tf101 don't suit your tablet needs nothing in the tablet world does.
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We all have flyers and we love them. I have this question. If you root your flyer and then upgrade the os to ICS, jelly bean and beyond. What would it take for you to want to replace it? What would htc have to do in terms of hardware upgrades, besides the obvious one of putting a multi core processor,or maybe adding gorilla glass to make you pull the trigger on the next one?
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So far, nothing. The only reason, right now, that I would want to replace my Flyer is because something I did to the Flyer (eg: break it somehow...) I don't want anything larger than 7", I love the pen, and I have no complaints about battery life, screen or OS stability. My previous 7" tablet (cheap Chinese variety) really was a test (to see if 7" would work) and from day one after buying it, I have been on the lookout for a better quality 7" (which took almost 1 1/2 years to come!). Since I've gotten my Flyer, I've not even looked at different tablets...
Not another HTC hardware!
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Not another HTC hardware!
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i'm the opposite...i have zero wish for anything other than HTC devices...every time i've veered i've regretted it
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i'm the opposite...i have zero wish for anything other than HTC devices...every time i've veered i've regretted it
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I like my samsung captivate.. incredibly flexible when it comes to romming.
I want htc hardware in a phone, the problem is that if I'm going to use a protective case anyway, it defeats the purpose of that high quality metal feeling phone..
I have 3 Tablets:
HTC EVO VIEW 4G (WiFi Only)
WiFi Xoom (GED with ICS)
BlackBerry Playbook (With OS 2.0)
They're all really nice tablets. If you are looking for another nice 7" Tablet then the Playbook is Great for the price ($199). Awesome screen, 1080p Video Recording, HDMI Out, Bluetooth and the OS (QNX) is head & shoulders above IOS & Android. Playbook is really smooth and the Browser is the best Tablet Browser out there (there is only 1 Browser out there that tops it in tests and that is Chrome for Desktops). Apps are coming along.
The sub -$199 Google Nexus tablet.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Goog...-its-cheap-MeMo-tablet-project-for-it_id28153