I have been thinking recently about moving on to a newer Android device for a phone, and converting my Eris into a general purpose, WiFi-only Android device, for things like Media center remote control, Portable MP3 player, etc.
My question, basically, is whether or not its possible to completely disable the cellular radio and any other associated phone/mms/3G/2G drivers and utilities. Stripping out all the miscellaneous apks and apps i dont want is the easy part. Removing drivers, disabling devices, and modifying config files is the part i'm not comfortable with yet. Any tips, pointers or links would be awesome.
Is anybody else interested in having a ROM like this distributed on this forum? I can start posting my progress builds on here if there is interest. Otherwise, if something like this already exists, please let me know!
as far as using it as a wi-fi only device you can simply put the phone into airplane mode and then urn on the wi-fi.
Unwanted programs I have used this program (link below)
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If your phone is rooted you can use the application manager to erase any app you want and hopefully thats good enough for what your looking for. I
It sounds like your looking to do more that I have knowledge in so hopefully this will help till you get the setup your looking for
When you setup your device on first boot after flashing a rom doesn't it have an option for wifi only connection on setup? Granted you may still have to airplane mode afterwards like said above, not really sure but worth a try.... hope this helps.
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I'd be interested, I wouldn't mind letting a youngin use it for mp3 player or something but always worried about an accidental 911 call or something dumb like that
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I think you could take an existing ROM and prune it from them and be happy. Removing drivers or disabling devices ? Not really necessary.... I think if you removed "phone.apk", there'd be no accidental 911 calls made, at least. My first thought was, don't activate it, but you can always make 911 calls as alluded to.
I realize removing the non-used stuff is likely in effort to trim it down to just the necessary stuff, but as I said, it might be overkill.
I've actually been thinking something like this would be awesome for when I retire this thing I say +1
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dragon1018 said:
as far as using it as a wi-fi only device you can simply put the phone into airplane mode and then urn on the wi-fi.
Unwanted programs I have used this program (link below)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=628138
If your phone is rooted you can use the application manager to erase any app you want and hopefully thats good enough for what your looking for. I
It sounds like your looking to do more that I have knowledge in so hopefully this will help till you get the setup your looking for
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Airplane mode turns off the WIFI, too. It turns off any and ALL wireless signals, 2G, 3G, Wifi, any.
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Airplane mode turns off the WIFI, too. It turns off any and ALL wireless signals, 2G, 3G, Wifi, any.
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You can re-enable WiFi after you enable airplane mode.
You could always go into the test call mode or whatever the field programming thing is and disable the radio from there. I forget exactly what the number is to call but it's the one that brings up all the field test tools and stuff...there's an option to completely disable the cellular radio.
Sounds like your basically looking for a honeycomb rom. Pretty sure if we just wait a bit we could possibly see something like that soon. I have faith in our devs.
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I am looking for something like this too. I just bought a bluetooth odb2 adapter so I can use my old eris to monitor my vehicle and do gps and music. I'll probably even make a sweet case for it so basically only the screen shows and it could be installed in the dash. It could sync music whenever I am home in range of wifi. Plus with the new google maps "offline" feature, I could cache frequently used areas.
I think you should go ahead and start something of a tutorial. Just start from a good lean stable 2.2 rom and document what you remove/add etc. and what apps work best for something like that.
If you remove /system/bin/rild, (the "Radio Interface Layer Daemon") there is no longer a possibility of dialing any calls, getting any voice or data service, SMS, MMS et cetera.
This is not the same thing as turning off power to the radio, however. I think you would want to do that for reasons of power conservation alone.
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If you remove /system/bin/rild, (the "Radio Interface Layer Daemon") there is no longer a possibility of dialing any calls, getting any voice or data service, SMS, MMS et cetera.
This is not the same thing as turning off power to the radio, however. I think you would want to do that for reasons of power conservation alone.
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If you do that doesn't it also disable GPS except if wifi is on? I noticed that some still want to use GPS and I know that if you disable network GPS only works through wifi
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This is an great concept for a ROM. I have also been thinking about this, because shortly I will be retiring this little guy. I was going to give it to my wife because she refuses to get a smartphone and has an mp3 player from like 8 years ago that she refuses to upgrade! The Eris keeps my kids busy when we are out also. This way I wouldn't have to worry about my kids (or my wife) doing something stupid!
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This is an great concept for a ROM. I have also been thinking about this, because shortly I will be retiring this little guy. I was going to give it to my wife because she refuses to get a smartphone and has an mp3 player from like 8 years ago that she refuses to upgrade! The Eris keeps my kids busy when we are out also. This way I wouldn't have to worry about my kids (or my wife) doing something stupid!
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True.
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If you remove /system/bin/rild, (the "Radio Interface Layer Daemon") there is no longer a possibility of dialing any calls, getting any voice or data service, SMS, MMS et cetera.
This is not the same thing as turning off power to the radio, however. I think you would want to do that for reasons of power conservation alone.
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Does it work better to remove the line from init.d or whatever? Or do errors finding files not matter?
There is a project underway to do this very thing, keep an eye on these forums and they'll be posting it when its ready for the world.
that sounds awesome can't wait to put it on my eris when i get the Thunderbolt!
and my next phone will have mobile hotspot so whenever I am in my car and away from my home wifi, my "carputer" will have internet access for maps. sweet
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There is a project underway to do this very thing, keep an eye on these forums and they'll be posting it when its ready for the world.
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Do you know who is going to post it?
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I recently flashed on cm7 on my aria. it is great but my data usage began shooting up. i realized it was due to the fact that everytime i lock my phone, it disables my wifi (i saw this because everytime i unlock im on 3g for a 1-2 seconds then i get on wifi so that means that the whole time my phone is locked it uses 3g data ) is there anyway i can prevent this from occurring??
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Okachowwa
Menu -> settings -> wireless & networks -> wi-fi settings -> menu -> advanced -> wi-fi sleep policy -> never
I think that's it.
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okachowwa said:
I recently flashed on cm7 on my aria. it is great but my data usage began shooting up. i realized it was due to the fact that everytime i lock my phone, it disables my wifi (i saw this because everytime i unlock im on 3g for a 1-2 seconds then i get on wifi so that means that the whole time my phone is locked it uses 3g data ) is there anyway i can prevent this from occurring??
Thanks,
Okachowwa
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Have you checked the Wifi Settings to see which sleep option is selected? There is an 'Never' option which tells wifi to stay on even when the phone sleeps.
One thing I noticed its that if I leave my house I have to turn off wifi and turn it back on to find my router.
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klbmth said:
One thing I noticed its that if I leave my house I have to turn off wifi and turn it back on to find my router.
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yup...that's why you just turn your wifi off with the notification widget (very simple and painless might I add) if you know you're leaving the house...what's the point of having wifi enabled if you're not in range of your network? all it's going to do is drain your battery. i left my wifi enabled one day when i sent to work and within half the day i had ~12% battery life...definitely not good practice to leave it enabled that's my 2 cents, do as you wish though. to each his own.
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One thing I noticed its that if I leave my house I have to turn off wifi and turn it back on to find my router.
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Yup, I have the same issue with CM7 nightlies. This worked flawlessly in CM6 and stock2.1. So far there isn't a viable solution.
from the CM6.1.1 thread...
Q. How do I keep my wifi from going to sleep every time the screen shuts off?
A. There is a hidden feature that disables wifi sleep.
menu > Settings > Wireless & networks > wifi settings > menu (again) > advanced > Wi-Fi Sleep policy > Never > menu > Save
However: although you can keep the wifi service from sleeping, the wifi driver will still sleep on it's own after detecting no bus activity for a period of time.
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from the CM6.1.1 thread...
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I've made sure to set Wifi Sleep Policy to "Never" but that did not fix my wifi problems. What I see when I open Wifi Settings is a cycle of:
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Scanning --> Connecting --> Disconnected... Scanning, etc
When I look in logcat it shows it attemping (in vain) to authenticate against the last wifi network I was using -- even though it is no longer in range (and clear across town). In a nutshell it is refusing to recognize the actual nearby network UNTIL I toggle wifi settings.
I've had the same behavior on FR008 and the stock ATT 2.1 load as well. When Wifi is in that on but not really connected state some apps can wake it up...the default browser usually will, but Listen would not. I just gave up and only turn on wifi when I need it.
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I've made sure to set Wifi Sleep Policy to "Never" but that did not fix my wifi problems. What I see when I open Wifi Settings is a cycle of:
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Scanning --> Connecting --> Disconnected... Scanning, etc
When I look in logcat it shows it attemping (in vain) to authenticate against the last wifi network I was using -- even though it is no longer in range (and clear across town). In a nutshell it is refusing to recognize the actual nearby network UNTIL I toggle wifi settings.
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What is the point of having wifi set to ON when you are not in range of a network? Hence why, if you are using CM7 or CM6, you should utilize the notification widget and turn wifi off if you know you're leaving the area of your network. It's simple. Things aren't ALWAYS going to work how YOU want them to work. Thing will not always be automatic. I think I quote attn1 when I say this, just because it doesn't work how you want it to work, does not mean it is broken.
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What is the point of having wifi set to ON when you are not in range of a network? Hence why, if you are using CM7 or CM6, you should utilize the notification widget and turn wifi off if you know you're leaving the area of your network. It's simple. Things aren't ALWAYS going to work how YOU want them to work. Thing will not always be automatic. I think I quote attn1 when I say this, just because it doesn't work how you want it to work, does not mean it is broken.
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Well, just because people don't work exactly like you work, does not mean they are doing it wrong. If something is broken I'm going to call it out. I might be incorrect, but let's be clear: you aren't questioning that wifi in CM7 isn't working the way it did in CM6, you are questioning my behavior -- which is a weak argument.
I guess you don't understand the issue, so I'll spell it out:
Wifi worked flawlessly and automatically for me in stock 2.1 AND CM6. This automatic behavior does not work in CM7. Manually toggling something that simply "just worked" before is a regression, not a feature. Hence the reason I point it out -- the devs can't fix something unless they know it's broken, and I seriously doubt the devs are able to test all/every permutation. I have nothing but respect for the work they do, thus my very respectful tones in my earlier posts. I've had no indication that the devs are unwilling to get feedback about their work.
You asked a question though, and here is the answer:
I leave Wifi on all the time because I'm a consultant -- I work in many different locations throughout the week, travelling the country. I have dozens of wifi networks saved on my phone, and it is useful for me to have my phone automatically jump on the correct, nearest network. I'd rather use free wifi instead of paying AT&T for data charges. It is not always possible for me to remember I'm in a location with a known wifi network, or to remember to manually toggle wifi settings: it is useful for me to have this happen in the background. Sometimes I'm on a call, sometimes I'm heading into a meeting and I'd rather not mess with my phone. I want wifi to be on all time, scanning for the correct network, and jumping on it when it's in range.
Outrageous, right?! Not actually -- this is the existing behavior in CM6 and stock 2.1. From my standpoint, wifi just worked -- I didn't have to think about it, didn't have to manually toggle something to prevent AT&T data charges.
This is desired behavior for me, and I'm happy with rolling back to CM6 to get it. I understand that _you_ don't need this behavior, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. It just means the world is bigger than you realized.
And yes: wifi in CM7 (beta) is currently broken. Read the threads. Many people are having problems with it.
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yup...that's why you just turn your wifi off with the notification widget (very simple and painless might I add) if you know you're leaving the house...what's the point of having wifi enabled if you're not in range of your network? all it's going to do is drain your battery. i left my wifi enabled one day when i sent to work and within half the day i had ~12% battery life...definitely not good practice to leave it enabled that's my 2 cents, do as you wish though. to each his own.
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That's a good tip, I feel kind of dumb for not thinking about it lol and I also agree that it is good practice to do so. I just wanted to point it out in case a dev was going through this thread which is relevant to the topic.
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Well, just because people don't work exactly like you work, does not mean they are doing it wrong. If something is broken I'm going to call it out. I might be incorrect, but let's be clear: you aren't questioning that wifi in CM7 isn't working the way it did in CM6, you are questioning my behavior -- which is a weak argument.
I guess you don't understand the issue, so I'll spell it out:
Wifi worked flawlessly and automatically for me in stock 2.1 AND CM6. This automatic behavior does not work in CM7. Manually toggling something that simply "just worked" before is a regression, not a feature. Hence the reason I point it out -- the devs can't fix something unless they know it's broken, and I seriously doubt the devs are able to test all/every permutation. I have nothing but respect for the work they do, thus my very respectful tones in my earlier posts. I've had no indication that the devs are unwilling to get feedback about their work.
You asked a question though, and here is the answer:
I leave Wifi on all the time because I'm a consultant -- I work in many different locations throughout the week, travelling the country. I have dozens of wifi networks saved on my phone, and it is useful for me to have my phone automatically jump on the correct, nearest network. I'd rather use free wifi instead of paying AT&T for data charges. It is not always possible for me to remember I'm in a location with a known wifi network, or to remember to manually toggle wifi settings: it is useful for me to have this happen in the background. Sometimes I'm on a call, sometimes I'm heading into a meeting and I'd rather not mess with my phone. I want wifi to be on all time, scanning for the correct network, and jumping on it when it's in range.
Outrageous, right?! Not actually -- this is the existing behavior in CM6 and stock 2.1. From my standpoint, wifi just worked -- I didn't have to think about it, didn't have to manually toggle something to prevent AT&T data charges.
This is desired behavior for me, and I'm happy with rolling back to CM6 to get it. I understand that _you_ don't need this behavior, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. It just means the world is bigger than you realized.
And yes: wifi in CM7 (beta) is currently broken. Read the threads. Many people are having problems with it.
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fyi CM6 & 2.1 != CM7. Your argument is null & void.
Also, being a "consultant" and the very important man you are, flashing a rom that's not even in beta stages yet probably isn't the best idea you've ever had.
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Also, being a "consultant" and the very important man you are, flashing a rom that's not even in beta stages yet probably isn't the best idea you've ever had.
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Why do you remind us that the rom is in a beta stage? "Beta" implies it is not fully functional, but your argument all along has been that it works perfectly....
Look, it's clear you haven't actually understood any of my posts. I'm highlighting error messages or erratic behavior I see in logcat running CM7. I've posted what I've seen so the devs can take action, or not, as they choose. Since you aren't in that audience I don't understand what your beef is.
Oh wait! Straw man arguments; personal attacks; logical fallacies: I've been dealing with either a highschool student or a troll - not sure which.
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fyi CM6 & 2.1 != CM7. Your argument is null & void.
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...although I have a strong suspicion.
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Why do you remind us that the rom is in a beta stage? "Beta" implies it is not fully functional, but your argument all along has been that it works perfectly....
Look, it's clear you haven't actually understood any of my posts. I'm highlighting error messages or erratic behavior I see in logcat running CM7. I've posted what I've seen so the devs can take action, or not, as they choose. Since you aren't in that audience I don't understand what your beef is.
Oh wait! Straw man arguments; personal attacks; logical fallacies: I've been dealing with either a highschool student or a troll - not sure which.
...although I have a strong suspicion.
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First of all:
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Just because something does not work they way you'd like it to doesn't mean you've discovered a bug.
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That being said. Beta does NOT necessarily imply that thing are not fully functioning, it simply implies that it hasn't been put into RC or stable. You can have a fully functioning beta program. HOWEVER, it may not be working properly. But creating a thread about an issue that's been brought up 20+ times now is pointless. I'm PRETTY sure the devs know about the issue, should it actually be an issue. Now that I just wasted another 15 seconds of my life, i'm going to casually /part from this thread and I'll end my post with this quote again, in case you didn't catch it the first time.
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Just because something does not work they way you'd like it to doesn't mean you've discovered a bug.
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This is for OP and very important man of the day, kinggrowler:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11171075&postcount=1054
and i'll even quote it directly for you:
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There are no broad wifi issues to resolve, and I do not plan to change the wifi driver one iota. I am using the one that works right for most people, and flawlessly for me.
If you are not having such luck, then you need to look at your access point if you have already wiped data.
Really, the constant carping about wifi is absolutely pointless.
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I believe the proper thing for me to say right now would be:
game. set. match.
Me too. I can't roam between networks, either. I have to disable and re-enable the wifi each time.
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...what's the point of having wifi enabled if you're not in range of your network?
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1) Because Google Maps uses known wifi hotspots to help establish your location.
2) So that you don't have to keep toggling wifi on and off when moving between hotspots (or home and work, for example).
3) To use the network notification feature (aka "notify me when an open network is available").
HTH
Edit: seems to be fixed in RC3!
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What is the point of having wifi set to ON when you are not in range of a network? Hence why, if you are using CM7 or CM6, you should utilize the notification widget and turn wifi off if you know you're leaving the area of your network. It's simple. Things aren't ALWAYS going to work how YOU want them to work. Thing will not always be automatic. I think I quote attn1 when I say this, just because it doesn't work how you want it to work, does not mean it is broken.
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i have try everything and still same issues with wifi. and i change the radio ( baseband ). still i am thinking of uninstalling it bc i dont have wifi
Sorry to tell you but that was with the old wifi stuff (every nightly up to build 25), which I had no problem with. The RC/nightlies have new wifi data made by jznomoney, which I have on and off problems with. Its working for most people but there are a handful who are having problems. I flashed ladios' kernel and my wifi is doing a lot better with the new RC/nightlies.
Signatures are fancy.
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I've made sure to set Wifi Sleep Policy to "Never" but that did not fix my wifi problems. What I see when I open Wifi Settings is a cycle of:
Code:
Scanning --> Connecting --> Disconnected... Scanning, etc
When I look in logcat it shows it attemping (in vain) to authenticate against the last wifi network I was using -- even though it is no longer in range (and clear across town). In a nutshell it is refusing to recognize the actual nearby network UNTIL I toggle wifi settings.
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I've noticed something similar with CM7 on my Aria. When I leave the house and come back it doesn't always connect automatically and it will enter into this cycle of scanning, connecting, disconnected.
I had to reboot the phone to get it to stop the cycle and stay connected. I don't use a lot of data anyway but I still prefer to use wifi when available. Interestingly just now it wouldn't even see any of my neighbor's wifi networks at all which is odd.
Hey guys first time poster long time reader. Before I begin I just wanted to thank you all for the help and support with the ins and outs of the android OS.
Now that that is out of the way, I had a question in regards to Veoh.com and some issues I am having with it. I have Kaos Froyo v39, and I use Dolphin browser mini. When I change my useragent to iPhone and I go on Veoh it works okay for a little bit, and then it either stops loading videos or gives me an error message saying 'this video cannot be played' is there a fix for this? Am I doing something wrong?
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Hey guys first time poster long time reader. Before I begin I just wanted to thank you all for the help and support with the ins and outs of the android OS.
Now that that is out of the way, I had a question in regards to Veoh.com and some issues I am having with it. I have Kaos Froyo v39, and I use Dolphin browser mini. When I change my useragent to iPhone and I go on Veoh it works okay for a little bit, and then it either stops loading videos or gives me an error message saying 'this video cannot be played' is there a fix for this? Am I doing something wrong?
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Hi! Welcome. Is this over 3G or Wifi, or have you tried both?
Either way, this is safe to try: Download "APN OnOff" from the market. Launch it and choose "Show APN list" in the middle of the screen. Press Menu and choose "Reset to default". You may or may not need to perform a reboot to see if this helps. Try it without first.
This used to help me with restoring tethering when it stopped working.
A longer method to possibly achieve the same thing, but may be worth a try if the first method doesn't work:
Perform a nandroid and flash a stock-like ROM such as xtrSENSE (what I would recommend). You only have to use it long enough to download "APN Backup & Restore" off the market. Run it and choose "Backup APNs", you can name it whatever makes sense to you such as "xtrSENSE stock APN.xml", otherwise it just uses the current date and time.
Nandroid back to KaosFroyo and install "APN Backup & Restore" again. This time choose "Restore APNs" and restore the one you backed up from xtrSENSE. Again try it without a reboot first but if it doesn't work try a reboot.
You can do this as often as you like to see if this helps with any data trouble. I'm not positive if it helps with WIFI at all; I know it helps with 3G Data.
Please let us know if any of this helps or not.
Thank you so much, its working now. Only issue now is that the bar in the program is stuck in the off position, and when I click on it to turn it back on it just goes into the settings. My connections are still fine as you can see, should I be worried?
On an unrelated note, which tethering Rom did you use? I would love to tether my phone, but the threads I have read make it seem like a daunting process to me.
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Thank you so much, its working now. Only issue now is that the bar in the program is stuck in the off position, and when I click on it to turn it back on it just goes into the settings. My connections are still fine as you can see, should I be worried?
On an unrelated note, which tethering Rom did you use? I would love to tether my phone, but the threads I have read make it seem like a daunting process to me.
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Bar in which program? APN OnOff? As long as everything's working I wouldn't worry about it since I don't use that button; I think I've noticed that before. A reboot would probably restore it, in my experience.
I've tethered under every ROM but any GingerBread one, now. Started with xtrsense, found that it was marginally more reliable under Froyo so GB would probably be good too. What was better about 2.2+ tethering was how fast the tethering connection would be made, before it took a minute or two for the computer to recognize it; now down to less than 30 seconds.
I don't recommend the old wired or wireless tether for root under 2.2+, but I haven't tried them in a while. 2.2+ and CM6+ have their own native tethering. CM6.1's notification power widgets have a WIFI tether one which connects the fastest. Free Tethering Widget off the market will also give you a widget for that and/or USB tethering, which is built into 2.2+ itself but for some reason CM doesn't include a notification power widget for.
Wireless tethering eats your battery like crazy plus made the phone extra hot, but you have to understand that it was my only home internet until a month ago since last August. I kept the battery cover off and had a fan on it, but you don't have to do that for just occasional tethering. I also had it plugged in to charge constantly; I just liked how fast wireless connected.
Wired tethering also uses battery faster and makes it warmer, just not nearly as fast or warm as wireless.
Occasionally 3G would stop and I'd have to turn off tethering and do the steps in my other post to get it going again. Most of the time a reboot after doing APN OnOff made tethering last longer.
If you know how to install drivers with Device Manager (assuming you're on Windows), or you don't mind learning I would get the latest drivers from http://htc.developers.comhttp://developer.htc.com/ if I remember correctly.
I'm on my phone at the moment, I'll check later. The driver package is all the way at the bottom of the list, the last one.
Otherwise just install HTCSync for the Eris and that'll install older drivers.
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Okay so let me get this straight... I have tethering on my Froyo 2.2 already and I just need to grab a widget in order to activate it? What is the driver for? I was under the assumption that my phone would become a "hotspot" so I could set it up to an Xbox PS3 etc. Do I need to download the driver in order to tether to the computer? If so, how would I be able to use a wired tether to something like a PS3? I am a pretty quick learner on the whole concept of rooting and flashing Roms, but I am a newb so I appreciate your time and patience.
Okay so let me get this straight... I have tethering on my Froyo 2.2 already and I just need to grab a widget in order to activate it? What is the driver for? I was under the assumption that my phone would become a "hotspot" so I could set it up to an Xbox PS3 etc. Do I need to download the driver in order to tether to the computer? If so, how would I be able to use a wired tether to something like a PS3? I am a pretty quick learner on the whole concept of rooting and flashing Roms, but I am a newb so I appreciate your time and patience.
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Okay so let me get this straight... I have tethering on my Froyo 2.2 already and I just need to grab a widget in order to activate it? What is the driver for? I was under the assumption that my phone would become a "hotspot" so I could set it up to an Xbox PS3 etc. Do I need to download the driver in order to tether to the computer? If so, how would I be able to use a wired tether to something like a PS3? I am a pretty quick learner on the whole concept of rooting and flashing Roms, but I am a newb so I appreciate your time and patience.
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If you're running a recent enough version of a ROM based on CM6.x (6.1 or 6.2?), then if you enable the tethering widget in the notification menu power buttons (the buttons at the top), then you'd don't need anything else to WIFI tether.
You can do USB tethering by going into the stock settings, but it's such a PITA to do it there it's easier to do it by using that widget I mentioned, which also handles Froyo's WIFI tethering as well. So if you're never going to do USB tethering, you don't need any other drivers (called RDNIS drivers) and you don't need that widget off the market.
If you do ever plan on wire tether, then you will need to install some RDNIS drivers (the link I gave you) unless you've already installed HTCSync, since that includes both the regular and the RDNIS drivers. I have no idea if you can wire tether to a PS3 since in Windows you need to install a driver, but you can try it and let us know, or search for other people who wanted to do the same thing. You should be able to WIFI tether, however.
No problem, I'm glad you pick things up quickly, makes it that much easier. And you're welcome!
So help me - what bar in the program were you talking about?
On APN on /off, when I reset the settings I saw a bar on the main screen highlighted on. I turned it off thinking I should rest it. I couldn't toggle it back on, bit data was still working and I did a reboot just in case. It was nothing major thankfully.
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On APN on /off, when I reset the settings I saw a bar on the main screen highlighted on. I turned it off thinking I should rest it. I couldn't toggle it back on, bit data was still working and I did a reboot just in case. It was nothing major thankfully.
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You were correct in your end assessment that it shouldn't be anything to worry about, that APN switch in the middle of the screen. I've had mixed results with it in my observations, so I don't even touch it although as you noticed it doesn't seem to hurt anything.
Thanks for verifying; that was the only thing I could imagine you might be talking about!
Hey guys
I just installed the leaked AT&T ICS (the CWM version that's been posted), and so far everything's generally great.
However, ever since I upgraded to ICS, my phone has been downloading data like crazy over WiFi. Oddly enough, this has happened on my phone before as well when I was using GB, and I believe it also occurred then right after a reinstall.
It's incredibly annoying because whatever the phone's downloading, it seems like it's using a lot of bandwidth because any other internet-related activities I try and do take *forever*. I've rebooted the phone several times, tried stopping every service that I can, and turned off all auto account sync stuff. It's been several hours since I installed ICS, and it's still going.
I'm going to let it sit overnight and see what it's doing in the morning, but even if this is only a temporary problem it's REALLY annoying. Especially since if it's not done doing whatever it's doing by morning, I won't be able to use cellular data on it because I only have the 200 MB plan and don't feel like losing my entire volume for the month because I can't stop my phone from downloading.
Any ideas as to what's causing this? Like I said I'm pretty sure this isn't an ICS-specific problem because it happened under 2.3.4 also, I just want to be able to shut down whatever's doing this excessive downloading. And I'd love to know *what* exactly is being downloaded that's it's taking so long and using so much bandwidth.
Thanks for any help you guys can lend
If you do switch to data to let it pull it down, you can use the data usage in the settings to see what app is doing it. My Data Manager (free in the Play Store) can also monitor data, on cell data and wifi. That would also tell you what app is doing it.
I would guess you either have a ton of data in your Google account, such as contacts, calendar, Gmail, or you have an app that is trying to sync data down. I'm guessing you are restoring apps, then notice the data draw. Think about any apps you have that may sync data back and forth. If you sign into your Google account at initial set up, it should (depending on settings) automatically download and install your apps. But, that should be apparent, you should see the downloads as it does them app by app.
All that is based on guesses of what I would consider "normal" behavior after installing a new ROM.
Good luck tracking it down. :thumbup:
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Check what is using it, and listing what APKs you added might help.
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If you do switch to data to let it pull it down, you can use the data usage in the settings to see what app is doing it. My Data Manager (free in the Play Store) can also monitor data, on cell data and wifi. That would also tell you what app is doing it.
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Or avoid all that and use the native ICS data monitor.
The weird thing is that I hadn't really done anything to the phone when it started using all the data. My Google account doesn't really have much in it (don't have a ton of contacts, don't use it to back up apps/etc.), and I think the only things I'd done app-wise were updating a couple preinstalled apps (Facebook and Maps, I think), but I hadn't installed anything new yet.
I installed My Data Manager, but it looks like it's already done whatever it was doing. Though, even now the download arrow is constantly lit up on WiFi, but I think whatever it's doing now has something to do with the network I'm on (dorm room) as I've noticed almost constant non-zero download bandwidth being used on my desktop as well when it's on the network. If I turn WiFi off now it isn't constantly using cellular data any more, so thankfully it looks like it's finished with whatever it was doing and the constant WiFi downloading is a network, not phone, issue.
On an unrelated note, I was going to reinstall a tethering app, but figured I'd give a try to the built-in tethering first (don't have a plan). On GB it wouldn't even let me start up the tethering without a plan IIRC, but under ICS the tethering not only starts up, I can even connect my laptop to it. Unfortunately I couldn't get internet access on my laptop though, so I'm guessing there's still a restriction on it. Just found it interesting that you can actually enable the tethering without a plan now.
But there's a more serious problem, however. Is ATT clamping down on third-party tethering? I used to use Barnacle WiFi Tether, so I went to install that from the market. Well, Play tells me the app isn't able to be installed on my device because of carrier restrictions (lame). No problem, I figure, I go to their website and download the apk from there and manually install.
Well, when I try and start tethering using Barnacle, it says "WiFi: Could not set ad-hoc mode of wlan0: Operation not supported on transport endpoint"
Does this mean I'm screwed? Will any third-party tethering apps work? To be honest I'm not really into trying out 5 million different ROMs on my phone and don't really mind TW at all, so I'd prefer to keep it stock. But I use my phone overseas and need to be able to use tethering, and if ATT is really clamping down on third-party apps then I'll be installing a completely stock kernel once one's easily available.
Thoughts? Anyone else experimented with tethering on UCLC2 yet?
Well, never mind regarding the tethering stuff - I'd still be interested anyway to know if ATT is trying to actively prevent you from using it in ICS, but I just flashed the SHOstock2 ROM and I gotta say I'm blown away. Even after using it for a half hour I'm pretty sure I'll never go back to stock again (I'm sure most of you would say DUH to that), has everything I'd want in a ROM and nothing I don't. Default tethering works right out of the box too, so I don't even have to worry about installing another app.
Only kinda weird thing is the data indicator keeps switching between H+ and 3G (I'd post on the actual ROM thread but I don't have 10 posts yet...). I'm only on the 200 MB data plan so I switched it to the wap.cingular APN, but even after doing that it still switches. Data seems fast - and I'm not one to be super-concerned with data speeds since I'm mostly just checking e-mail - so it's not a huge deal, but figured I'd mention it anyway.
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Well, never mind regarding the tethering stuff - I'd still be interested anyway to know if ATT is trying to actively prevent you from using it in ICS, but I just flashed the SHOstock2 ROM and I gotta say I'm blown away. Even after using it for a half hour I'm pretty sure I'll never go back to stock again (I'm sure most of you would say DUH to that), has everything I'd want in a ROM and nothing I don't. Default tethering works right out of the box too, so I don't even have to worry about installing another app.
Only kinda weird thing is the data indicator keeps switching between H+ and 3G (I'd post on the actual ROM thread but I don't have 10 posts yet...). I'm only on the 200 MB data plan so I switched it to the wap.cingular APN, but even after doing that it still switches. Data seems fast - and I'm not one to be super-concerned with data speeds since I'm mostly just checking e-mail - so it's not a huge deal, but figured I'd mention it anyway.
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The data switching is normal. The device idles on 3g to save battery and kicks up to 4g when it needs the speed. Stock roms hide this behavior by showing the 4g icon even on 3g
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Or avoid all that and use the native ICS data monitor.
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I never thought to press the menu key in there, there is no indication there are more options. By default it doesn't show wifi data, but on my TouchPad running CM9, that's all it shows. Guess I shouldn't have assumed the ICS wouldn't be without menu use fragmentation like every other android version.
Yeah, the data switching on a custom ROM is normal. Just showing you what the phone actually does. It can save power by reverting back to the 3G vs H when you are idle. The first thing most custom ROMs add is tethering on the built in method. If the leak let you start it up, I'm guessing its incomplete. I would bet att does the same in ICS as GB and has an app to check your account before letting you turn on tethering. Att can detect tethering on the back end too, so if you are caught they warn you first, but you can end up being put on the tethering plan if you keep tethering.
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Ahh, thanks for the info on the data switching, never knew about that!
I don't use tethering in the US, but I do overseas, which is why I was concerned about ATT blocking tethering apps. However, I realized it's probably not an issue anyway because I'm guessing that tethering wouldn't be blocked with a non-ATT SIM card. Anyway, SHOstock rocks, so it's all good
Also good to know that ICS can monitor WiFi traffic by default - didn't think to hit the settings button on that screen. I gotta admit, that's one huge interface design flaw of Android. There should be some kind of indicator on the screen when there's a menu available, really poor interface design choice to have to hit the menu button randomly to see if any menus are there.
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Also good to know that ICS can monitor WiFi traffic by default - didn't think to hit the settings button on that screen. I gotta admit, that's one huge interface design flaw of Android. There should be some kind of indicator on the screen when there's a menu available, really poor interface design choice to have to hit the menu button randomly to see if any menus are there.
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With new ICS developed devices, most don't include touch buttons... The Nexus for example (using on screen buttons) only shows a menu button when a menu is available...
Cheers.
ALSO- I also noticed what appears to be constant "spurts" of Wifi data usage as well (at least according to my Wifi status bar indicator)... It doesn't seem to affect my Mobile Data, and every data monitoring App (including stock ICS data monitoring) doesn't show the culprit, which leads me to believe that we may be dealing with a system app that is accessing data in the background almost constantly... But only on Wifi. Maybe a location service, or something to do with Syncing? I say system because not even stock Data Monitoring is recognizing an app using data...
Another reason I say this is because I pointlessly wiped my device and started over due to this... "bug"... Only to find that running stock CM9 (with no installed apps) my Wifi indicator still led me to believe my device as downloading spurts of data constantly.
I haven't been able to narrow it down, and am hoping that the issue is fixed in a future software update. - But it is more than likely not an app, just an ICS/CM9 bug.
UPDATE- Just checked a Samsung Epic 4G running CM9 and the bug isn't there... So, it's something specifically within our device and ICS... Again, maybe a System app or Kernel bug...
Long story short. I want to turn my old Android phone (HTC Inspire 4G) into a tracking device to catch a thief. The area near my house is plagued by motorcycle thieves who swipe bags from walking pedestrians. My idea is to carry a bait bag with an old, broken laptop in it and sew my phone to the inside of the bag where it will not be found. For my idea to work best, I need software that can perform specific functions, and so I come here for recommendations on how to accomplish this.
I need the device to operate in an ultra-low power mode where it is only listening for text messages and all sound is turned off. I don't know how long I will have to walk around with the bag before the thieves takes the bait, so I need the phone to conserve as much power as possible until the actual tracking operation begins.
Once the bag is in the thieves hands, I need to be able to control and activate the phone via text message. The phone must be in Silent Mode so that the thieves don't hear the incoming text messages. Additionally, I would not want the screen to light up or for any other message indicator to possibly shine through the bag's fabric and tip them off about the presence of the phone.
First, I will be using a "disposable" prepaid SIM card (lets call this the trackingSIM). I don't want to use my actual postpaid account with unlimited internet (lets call this mySIM). I need mySIM to communicate with the trackingSIM. So the problem is that the phone WON'T have unlimited internet access when it is stolen. I'll need to activate that remotely. Usually this is done by sending a specific text message to the Carrier with a code that activates unlimited internet for a period of time and deducts the cost from a balance on the SIM. But since I won't actually have the phone in my possession, I'll need some kind of program that allows me to remote control the phone and tell the phone to send a text message on its own. In summary, I need to send a text message from mySIM to the trackingSIM which will then trigger the trackingSIM to send another text message to a specific number. (like, if I send "SENDTXT 5551212 internets" from mySIM to trackingSIM, then the trackingSIM phone would resend a text message "internets" to the number 5551212)
Once internet is activated, the Carrier sends a text message response confirming that the phone now has unlimited internet access for a specified time period. It would be nice if the phone could forward that reply from trackingSIM to mySIM so that I know the task is complete.
Now that the phone has internet access, I need to actually turn on the 3G radio and the GPS antenna (which should have previously been off to conserve battery) also via text message. Something like "GPS ON" and "3G ON" from mySIM to the trackingSIM would be great. And if the phone could reply with a confirmation text, that would be even better.
The last step would be to activate the tracking software. I need some kind of tracking software that would also activate via text message, and provide a confirmation text if possible.
Once the tracking software is activated, I need the following features:
Realtime tracking via a website. If it can work well on a mobile website as well (like an iPhone's Safari or Chrome browser), even better
Complete tracking history. Even if the signal dies, I want to know their last known location. If they move during the night and I have to sleep, I don't want to lose any data because I was wasn't watching every single moment. I plan to take all this information to the local police, so I need as much data as possible.
Once I have located the thieves loation and brought the police in, I need to be able to find the phone and bag as quickly and easily as possible. I'd like to be able to bring the phone OUT of Silent Mode, again with a text message, and activate an alarm at the highest possible volume setting, again with a text message.
Optionally, once I have Internet access established on the phone, I could possibly accomplish some of these tasks through another form of remote access such as SSH.
Optionally, if I could also somehow initiate a telephone call with the phone once it has reached its "final" location, then I could use the phone as a microphone as well and potentially get more evidence regarding the thieves' names, intentions, or guilt. This would also need to occur in complete silence as I would not want the thieves to hear a ring or see any flashing lights or lit up screen. Somehow I would need the phone to automatically answer a phone call that met some predetermined signal.
Optionally, it would also be nice to be able to initiate a voice recording remotely for the same reasons as 6. A voice recording might be easier to initiate and would probably have better audio quality (but would only be useful after the phone was recovered, whereas 6. could aid in the actual recovery).
Most of what you want can be accomplished very, very easy. If you can root the phone. You would be able to Install avast antivirus. Avast has an anti-theft feature that you can activate from a phone AND/OR the internet. You can lock the phone so no one else can use it, send a text or command from a computer to TRACK THE DEVICE. It will automatically turn on GPS and send location as often as you choose. Avast works on smart phones only. That is the downside. Avast does the alarm thing also. "THIS PHONE HAS BEEN LOST OR STOLEN" with a siren.
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Even better I could build an app for you to do that as avast won't be able to start 3g send message to carrier etc etc it'll need Internet access up and running before hand also no call records while a custom made app can do all of this
If you like the idea just drop me a pm
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Honestly, what do you need 3G for? It doesn't help track. GPS and Wi-Fi do that. Watch your cost. Avast has already been written. Call logs? What for. Check out the play store for an app called M-SPY. You text the phone and it will call you back. Avast does the rest.
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Honestly, what do you need 3G for? It doesn't help track. GPS and Wi-Fi do that. Watch your cost. Avast has already been written. Call logs? What for. Check out the play store for an app called M-SPY. You text the phone and it will call you back. Avast does the rest.
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I want to track the phone while it is on the move on the motorcycle in real-time. How could I do that with Wi-Fi? Additionally, free and open unsecured Wi-Fi hotspots are not available everywhere. There is no guarantee that the phone would be able to connect and send data once it reached its final destination wherever the thieves live/work. In fact, even with 3G there is no guarantee as there are always cellular dead spots.
Thanks for the recommendations.
My point exactly. Avast uses available Wi-Fi along with GPS to track in real time, displayed on a map. I don't believe you can use 3g for that. Avast has the siren, tracking and other features. My-spy has the call feature. Avast will automatically turn on GPS for tracking if it is off. Turn on a siren when you choose, for recovery. Text is for if you want to use your cell. You can do everything from a computer. The thieves will not know, as all this will be hidden, unless you lock the phone. M-Spy can review the text and call you back so you can listen to the noise around the phone without the perps knowing. These two together fit what it sounds like you need. Avast is free for the FULL version, forever. I am not sure about the cost of M-SPY.
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My point exactly. Avast uses available Wi-Fi along with GPS to track in real time, displayed on a map. I don't believe you can use 3g for that. Avast has the siren, tracking and other features. My-spy has the call feature. Avast will automatically turn on GPS for tracking if it is off. Turn on a siren when you choose, for recovery. Text is for if you want to use your cell. You can do everything from a computer. The thieves will not know, as all this will be hidden, unless you lock the phone. M-Spy can review the text and call you back so you can listen to the noise around the phone without the perps knowing. These two together fit what it sounds like you need. Avast is free for the FULL version, forever. I am not sure about the cost of M-SPY.
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So if there is no Wi-Fi available then your solution won't work? That sounds far too risky for my plan to work. The country where I live does not have ubiquitous free Wi-Fi access, especially in the shadier parts of town where the thieves are likely to reside.
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So if there is no Wi-Fi available then your solution won't work? That sounds far too risky for my plan to work. The country where I live does not have ubiquitous free Wi-Fi access, especially in the shadier parts of town where the thieves are likely to reside.
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You really don't want to rely on public wifi anyone can mess with them
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You do not use Wi-Fi for tracking, really. You use GPS and my recommended setup will work
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I use avast, and I'm not sure if gps is all that's needed or not.
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Is your phone rooted with antitheft root installed? Avast uses GPS and Wi-Fi, if Wi-Fi is available, to track the phone. Research it.
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Is your phone rooted with antitheft root installed? Avast uses GPS and Wi-Fi, if Wi-Fi is available, to track the phone. Research it.
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Lol.
I'm a little shocked at someone asking me if my phone is rooted, I'll admit I was literally speechless for a second haha.
What I meant was that I have it installed already but haven't checked out the tracking yet. I tried it once with the gps turned off at work, and wasn't sure how to turn the gps on to see the unit. Theoretically, gps is one way, isn't it? It grabs the satellite signal that's beamed down and triangulates the position. So it would need some sort of data to send that data back to the end user online. Given that wifi access points are not guaranteed among criminals, I'd cast my vote for finding some way to turn on mobile data from the app also.
Btw, he's using an HTC Inspire most likely running my Rom. Yes, I'm sure it's rooted.
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Lol.
I'm a little shocked at someone asking me if my phone is rooted, I'll admit I was literally speechless for a second haha.
What I meant was that I have it installed already but haven't checked out the tracking yet. I tried it once with the gps turned off at work, and wasn't sure how to turn the gps on to see the unit. Theoretically, gps is one way, isn't it? It grabs the satellite signal that's beamed down and triangulates the position. So it would need some sort of data to send that data back to the end user online. Given that wifi access points are not guaranteed among criminals, I'd cast my vote for finding some way to turn on mobile data from the app also.
Btw, he's using an HTC Inspire most likely running my Rom. Yes, I'm sure it's rooted.
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HAD to ask. rotflmao.:silly:
when you installed avast, did you install the antitheft feature ROOTED? IF SO, Access the app on your phone and view all of the settings for it.Also, go online to AVAST and login to your account. Avast will automatically turn on the GPS (NOT Wi-Fi??) on the target phone, SECRETLY. you can set it to report position at any interval. Avast has many more functions, also. maybe the one you mentioned.
AGAIN - LMAO HAHAHAHAHA.:cyclops:
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M-SPY does the phone listening feature.
I tried it when I got it (yes root installed with anti theft in the system partition) but I couldn't get it to work the first time for some reason. I'll try again tomorrow night and see if it works now. It's been a few versions back.
If it does work as advertised, I'd count avast as one of the easiest and most cost effective options you can find.
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I tried it when I got it (yes root installed with anti theft in the system partition) but I couldn't get it to work the first time for some reason. I'll try again tomorrow night and see if it works now. It's been a few versions back.
If it does work as advertised, I'd count avast as one of the easiest and most cost effective options you can find.
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EXACTLY!! IT'S FREE.
Make sure you have setup ALL of the options. ANTI-THEFT and SETTINGS options. It is way easier to send commands from a computer but the "friends" numbers can send the text. on smart phones with a decent size screen, you can send the commands from the browser. one last thing- make sure avast has administrative rights. either in settings or anti-theft options.
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You do not use Wi-Fi for tracking, really. You use GPS and my recommended setup will work
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I'm not sure if you just don't understand how these things work ... the phone uses GPS to track itself: yes. But how to get the GPS data from the phone to me in a different location? The GPS data must be sent wirelessly from the phone.
This requires WiFi or a Cellular (4G, 3G, Edge, etc) connection.
I cannot track the phone with a GPS connection alone.
I can't rely on WiFi to be available wherever the thieves end up.
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I'm not sure if you just don't understand how these things work ... the phone uses GPS to track itself: yes. But how to get the GPS data from the phone to me in a different location? The GPS data must be sent wirelessly from the phone.
This requires WiFi or a Cellular (4G, 3G, Edge, etc) connection.
I cannot track the phone with a GPS connection alone.
I can't rely on WiFi to be available wherever the thieves end up.
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I told you about the app but you weren't interested bad luck bro
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The regular data on the phone will work fine. No need for faster data transfer such as Wi-Fi or 3g. Remotely turning on and off the data can be googled. Maybe there is already a way to do that.
go to the google market and search for XTRASEC PHONE LOCATOR. Sounds exactly like what you want!!
Sorry if I come across rude but try the search function. Everything I have posted to you, I used GOOGLE to find.
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just FYI followup to anyway looking to do the same...
Android Lost (androidlost.com) is an incredible tracking tool and completely free! (though I recommend supporting the developer by buying the "premium" version, all the "premium" features are also available for free)
Also, Avast! Anti-theft as recommended above is also great, and it does report over 3G or Edge or WiFi
Hello there! I was a relatively early adopter of Android and while I am not a programmer I am a nerd who can follow directions. I like to dial my devices in and maintain as much privacy as possible. I really don't like bloatware and when I was still working I would buy from Google rather than a pre-loaded cell. Now I am looking to get back to work and broke. I lost my last phone and got a lifeline (free) phone. It is a SKY Elite H55 with AndroidGo installed. The last time I had to use one of these phones I just took the sim card out and installed on a Motorola E5. For whatever reason I lost and had disabled location. While I am grateful to have cell service the Go phone experience is terrible and all I could manage to do is setup a wifi hotspot for other device. Just navigating menus was terrible and this one is newer but seems to have even more restrictions and less options. Also I have a thing for reading ToS and dont think anyone needs my data free. When I powered on the device I saw this as one of the only settings:
Allow Scanning: Allow apps to scan for wifi and nearby devices even when wifi or bluetooth is turned off.
What is the actual fudge is that? It BS and no I dont want that. I have not activated phone and qwould like to make this a more stock phone that just does basics. I can make calls with google voice on my iphone 8 all I need is this as a hotspot. The idea a default setting lets apps scanat will even after you turn of wfi/bt is offensive. Do I have any options.
Whatever I lack in skill I try to make up for by reading and following directions. I just did a complete softmod on a olld Nintendo DSI and it turned out perfect so I am ready to own my device. If possible. Danke.