So, I've been on the fence about the Tbolt since the official announcement came out earlier this week. I had been following all the news and specs and LTE expectations and was really excited to buy this phone with my upgrade......a month ago. I know that Verizon and HTC never made official announcements about the Tbolt but with Best Buy starting pre-orders and Verizon reps saying "it's coming tomorrow" it was hard not to expect it to come really soon, ESPECIALLY since Verizon started airing freaking commericials on TV.
Then all of the vague announcements on release date delays and the reports on poor battery life and whatnot made me pause and think if this phone were truly worth it. True, I was all set to get it a month ago, but a month in technology time is eons now. Furthermore people all over this forum have been posting issues with the phone since it launched: SMS showing sim card number instead of phone number, software bugs, overheating issues, battery life.....oh the battery life. I have to say that is one of the biggest factors swaying my decision. My droid x is almost a year old and I can still get by for a while (~2 days) without charging and with moderate usage. If a brand new Tbolt will last me half a day on standby, that could be a dealbreaker.
I'm mostly debating because I don't change phones very often and so using my upgrade is kind of a big deal, whether it's for one or two years. So i'm asking those that used their upgrades for the tbolt, is it worth it? With all of the dual-core LTE phones supposed to come to verizon this year (bionic is the most well-known but there will probably be others) is it a waste to get a tbolt, especially since i have a droid x that functions perfectly well and i am only sometimes in 4G areas (i live in a 4G area but work most of the time out of town with no 4G and therefore have only weekend 4G access). I'm not looking for a detailed review of the phone, I've seen enough of those on blogs and tech sites but I'd like to know if people who used their upgrades felt it was a good decision.
And I know I could just get the tbolt and then sell it later if I wanted something else but that's added trouble and if it's not worth it I don't want to bother.
Yes. Do some research. There is plenty of data available.
If you want an upgrade now, then this is the device to get (especially if you want to lock in the $30 LTE data rate).
If you can wait then better devices will obviously be available in the coming months. You be the judge of your own needs. I do not care for the whole dual-core hype of the Moto Droid Bionic.
I am also a big fan of HTC and want to be able to root. Go with Moto and you can forget being "open".
My suggestion. 1 year contract. Then you are free to do what you want in a short 10 months.
I think it was worth it. I have yet to have any of my 1Ghz+ phones require more power (i.e. dual core isn't something I'm concerned with for my phone). The only Android device I would like more power in is my Xoom and that already has a dual core.
The data speeds are what made it worthwhile going from my Droid X to the Thunderbolt. It's insanely fast, so much so that I'm not even using my home ISP anymore. That to me is worth the upgrade.
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I think it was worth it. I have yet to have any of my 1Ghz+ phones require more power (i.e. dual core isn't something I'm concerned with for my phone). The only Android device I would like more power in is my Xoom and that already has a dual core.
The data speeds are what made it worthwhile going from my Droid X to the Thunderbolt. It's insanely fast, so much so that I'm not even using my home ISP anymore. That to me is worth the upgrade.
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maybe this is a question for another forum, but is dual-core that big of a deal? from what i've seen there is a widely varied opinion on dual-cores. some say that the dual core atrix is wasted unless you are running a dock (laptop or hd). i've seen some say dual-cores will require more battery power to run twice as many processors than a single-core while others have said that it will require less power because having two cores share the load will net less required power than a single core. makes it really hard for someone like me who doesn't have a super-strong understanding in how it works, my layman's explanation is that dual vs single cores is like comparing a really strong guy lifting a box or two people (both half as strong as that one dude) lifting the box together - this could be entirely wrong for all i know. a friend told me that a dual-core will have one doing the work and the other to pick up slack or help out when things are running hard and that today's smartphone apps and games don't really require that much processor capability right now.
i've been at a loss for all this for a while and am starting to wonder if dual-core will just be a marketing ploy and will not make THAT much of a difference to most users. also doesn't help that a lot of people online are horrified that phones like the tbolt are being released today as single cores and tout dual-core as a screaming necessity.
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i've been at a loss for all this for a while and am starting to wonder if dual-core will just be a marketing ploy and will not make THAT much of a difference to most users. also doesn't help that a lot of people online are horrified that phones like the tbolt are being released today as single cores and tout dual-core as a screaming necessity.
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Multiple cores and processors are very helpful if you:
A. Multitask and a single core/processor drags for you. The OS will split threads and applications between the cores/processors so more gets done.
B. Use software that supports multiple threads and a single core/processor drags for you. The software itself here will use multiple threads across the processors available.
So it is really reliant on the user. The Atrix with the dock feature will almost certainly be used by people to multitask heavily. So as with a desktop/laptop, dual cores will definitely be beneficial.
On my own phone, I rarely multitask and when I do, it isn't heavy usage. I'm not running any heavy processing application on my phone. I read the news, check my email, send texts and make phone calls. Phones could do this with a lot less power than a 1Ghz single core chip (Windows Mobile was doing this for years).
So I'm not concerned with multiple cores. If having a few applications open means swiping between screens shows a split second of lag... I don't really care. The most processing power I use on it is probably tethering and then I have it plugged it and I'm using my laptop or Xoom, not my phone.
I play 0 games on my phone. I've found absolutely no games worth playing yet. When they make something that I find enjoyable, then I might be concerned with the processing power.
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maybe this is a question for another forum, but is dual-core that big of a deal? from what i've seen there is a widely varied opinion on dual-cores. some say that the dual core atrix is wasted unless you are running a dock (laptop or hd). i've seen some say dual-cores will require more battery power to run twice as many processors than a single-core while others have said that it will require less power because having two cores share the load will net less required power than a single core. makes it really hard for someone like me who doesn't have a super-strong understanding in how it works, my layman's explanation is that dual vs single cores is like comparing a really strong guy lifting a box or two people (both half as strong as that one dude) lifting the box together - this could be entirely wrong for all i know. a friend told me that a dual-core will have one doing the work and the other to pick up slack or help out when things are running hard and that today's smartphone apps and games don't really require that much processor capability right now.
i've been at a loss for all this for a while and am starting to wonder if dual-core will just be a marketing ploy and will not make THAT much of a difference to most users. also doesn't help that a lot of people online are horrified that phones like the tbolt are being released today as single cores and tout dual-core as a screaming necessity.
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I might be able to help a little. Dual core's greatest benefit is when the work load can be divided. It will show little benefit if the workload cannot be divided. That is all dependent on the programs that are running. Think of a math problem. 2 x 2 x 2 x 2. Since this problem can be done in any order, the two processor cores can both work on it together and finish it faster than a single core. Lets say core one does the first 2 x 2, core 2 does the 2nd. Then one of the two cores does the final 4 x 4 to get the end result. Now think of another problem, 8 / 2 / 2 / 2. Things must be done in order to get the proper solution so both single core and dual core processors will take the same amount of time.
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I might be able to help a little. Dual core's greatest benefit is when the work load can be divided. It will show little benefit if the workload cannot be divided. That is all dependent on the programs that are running. Think of a math problem. 2 x 2 x 2 x 2. Since this problem can be done in any order, the two processor cores can both work on it together and finish it faster than a single core. Lets say core one does the first 2 x 2, core 2 does the 2nd. Then one of the two cores does the final 4 x 4 to get the end result. Now think of another problem, 8 / 2 / 2 / 2. Things must be done in order to get the proper solution so both single core and dual core processors will take the same amount of time.
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that is really helpful, thank you. so it does seem that it depends on how heavily you would use the phone and that most users probably don't have a dire need for dual-cores (at least i don't think i would). thanks again!
Personally, I don't think dual core is worth it, with the only one impending to be released is the Bionic, and I don't trust Moto at all to not lock it down like the X. But that's also my usage patterns, I just need to be able to get in touch with people and updates to and from websites, which isn't really too much of a necessity for dual cores yet.
As for this phone, I've ordered it this morning, and I already feel like it was worth it. I've played around with Dinc and D1, and when I went in store today to play with it, it was so much more responsive. And any issues will be tweaked with custom roms/kernels, something that can't be ensured with Moto phones.
Also, for people who ordered it online, when did you get your tracking numbers and stuff? I had to order it online to get my discount, and my card has the pending charge on it, but I haven't gotten a tracking number, and my confirmation order number doesn't show up in their system. I'm hoping it went through so it gets shipped today and not monday.
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Personally, I don't think dual core is worth it, with the only one impending to be released is the Bionic, and I don't trust Moto at all to not lock it down like the X. But that's also my usage patterns, I just need to be able to get in touch with people and updates to and from websites, which isn't really too much of a necessity for dual cores yet.
As for this phone, I've ordered it this morning, and I already feel like it was worth it. I've played around with Dinc and D1, and when I went in store today to play with it, it was so much more responsive. And any issues will be tweaked with custom roms/kernels, something that can't be ensured with Moto phones.
Also, for people who ordered it online, when did you get your tracking numbers and stuff? I had to order it online to get my discount, and my card has the pending charge on it, but I haven't gotten a tracking number, and my confirmation order number doesn't show up in their system. I'm hoping it went through so it gets shipped today and not monday.
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It seems they're being a bit slow. I put two orders in very early yesterday and both are shipping today. Just keep your fingers crossed.
In the FWIW department I was talkjng with an HTC rep yesterday and specically asked about the phone being locked down and he said it wasn't at all. I was even able to install Easy Tether right there in the VZW store though I didn't get a chance to try it out.
So I listened to the thoughts here and got a thunderbolt on a one year contract. I wanted to share my experience in case it could help someone else. I had seen in this forum that a discounted contract price was offered to those that had employee discounts on their accounts. People had posted that they were able to get their discounted prices in store and walk out with a thunderbolt. I went to a Verizon store (not an authorized retailer, a full corporate store) and tried to do the same but was turned away with them saying they cannot match online prices. So I tried another Verizon store in a different town today and was told the same thing. I was frustrated because of the success others had in their Verizon stores so I set out and tried a third store. This time instead of just turning me away this sales rep shared with me her own frustrations about not being able to match corporate prices and missing out on sales. So we chatted about how it sucked and I asked if there were some way I could obtain my discount without actually being given my discount price (e.g. credits to my account, super cheap/free accessories, waved activation fees, etc.). She said there was nothing she could do without getting into trouble with her manager so I was about to give up. But then she suggested that we could just ring up a thunderbolt and see what options presented. While doing so she discovered that my corporate discount prices actually were available in store so I was able to get a one year contract thunderbolt for $229 with no activation fees. she said that maybe because my company has so many lines with Verizon (not hard to believe since we have more than 100k employees) that we can get discount prices in store that others may not. So if you tried to get a good price in store but were turned away keep trying and ask the sales rep to ring it up to see if discounts are available, even if they don't think so. Persistence works!
I am pretty happy so far with the phone. I wish it came with swype cause i got used to it on my Droid x. can't really speak to battery life since I haven't charged it at all since unboxing and also am not currently in a 4g area. But I do like the look and feel of it and sense has been running pretty snappy so far. Thanks all who shared on this thread!
Dual core mostly is overrated because you probably won't need it for what you do on your phone on a normal basis. But even with the Bionic's dock, are the interface and the apps actually running in a "64-bit" mode?
I am sure glad I got mine!
I can't comment on all the advanced capabilities most on this forum are discussing. Still a novice here. But I can say the upgrade was definitely worth it for me for (1) much better voice clarity over the Incredible; (2) much faster data speeds; and (3) ability to zip a quick reply to a text or e-mail without disconnecting a voice call.
Additionally, I got $50 for checking internet pricing before going to the store. The price in store was $50 higher, which I did not know until at checkout. I told him I'd just seen the lower price online before leaving home, and he knew nothing of it. I had him log onto my verizon account to convince him. Then it was a long process of back and forth with management to get a price match. No one in the store was aware of the lower price online. In order for the rep to get his commission, the solution was to process the purchase online and issue a $50 credit separately to my account. This could have been because of my company discount provision combined with my upgrade due, or could have been an online special. Either way, I got 50 bucks by being persistent--and by letting them know I was prepared to go home and order online.
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My suggestion. 1 year contract. Then you are free to do what you want in a short 10 months.
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it's not 10 anymore.you have to wait the full 12,but it's still worth it in my opinion.
Yes to the one year contract with the tbolt. Dual core is too new to be fully taken advantage of by anyone. A 1ghz processor is more than enough beef to handle just about anything you can throw at it, especially with 768mb of ram.
On a side note... When did they get rid of the 10 month early upgrade? I was looking forward to getting my early upgrade...
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it's not 10 anymore.you have to wait the full 12,but it's still worth it in my opinion.
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thats not true...i just signed up for a 1 year upgrade and it says my next upgrade is Jan 20, 2012. So unless my math is mistaken, that is 10 months. The thing they changed, I believe, is that there is no NE2 anymore. If you have a 2 year contract, you have to wait 20 months before upgrade is available where as you would only have had to wait 12 months before.
^ That's correct, I bought mine on 3/17 and when I go online to my account, it says I am eligible to upgrade on 1/17/12. That's 10 months.
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I have 2 working titans, i was wondering if it would be possible to de-solder the memory chip off one and solder it into the other one where it has the empty space for ram, would this work? does anyone have a link to the high res photos of the board inside?
nevermind, upon taking apart one of mine and removing the shields i see no blank space for extra ram, i wonder what i was thinking of that i saw had an extra spot, it looks like theres no room under here
I will NEVER understand why a $600.00 retail phone that runs windows would not come with more RAM - it is the ONLY complaint I have with this device!! MAKES NO SENSE!!! How much MORE could it have costed to put a 128MB unit in there???? $10????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARARARGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
I think the issue is really just that the phone was late to market. The hardware was well within the standards for WM5 (for which it was apparently designed). By the time the phone actually made it to market, 128MB of memory was now the standard with the introduction of WM6. There are reasons other than cost to not just throw a ton of RAM into a device.
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I will NEVER understand why a $600.00 retail phone that runs windows would not come with more RAM - it is the ONLY complaint I have with this device!! MAKES NO SENSE!!! How much MORE could it have costed to put a 128MB unit in there???? $10????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARARARGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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Ok, I am so sick of hearing this argument from consumers, who the majority of the time don't have a clue how marketing and the economy works. think about it...if you ran a multi-billion dollar company making these devices, would you throw all your cards on the table in one fell swoop? of course not!
these companies are not stupid...sure they could release a device tomorrow that had 2gigs of ram, an awesome video card, 800x600 res screen, 64gb built in storage, and still be the size of the xv8600 if not smaller...but that would kille the company and also violate market laws no doubt (like when microsoft released internet explorer for free back when netscape navigator cost $30 a month to use...
come on, these companies are in it for the long haul...if they released a deivce with those stats i just listed (and they could easily...think how small a 8gb transflash card is...you could have 128GB (notmb) of ram easily running on those things, but anyway, if they released that, guess what you, the consumer would want 6 months from now? A device that was twice as good, and had twice as much ram, and speed and space, etc...
Why would these compnies shoot themselves in the foot? They are making money hand over fist selling these devices that use technology available 5-10 years ago...heck, if i were a CEO of LG or HTC or Samsung or whoever, I would be loving this.
It just makes sense, and the average consumer makes a post like that with no thought as to what would happen to the economy or company. Just because it can be done and easily done and you want it, doesnt mean the company is going to say "sure, let's skip 5 years of profits, and just give them what we could sell in 2012, now in 2008" - heck no they arent going to do that obviously.
THE BOTTOM LINE: We, the consumers, have a short memory, are very impatient, and want the next best thing no matter how good the current thing we have is. If they put 256mb in the Titan, your last post would have been...."WHY CANT THEY PUT IN 512MB?!?!?!!?" you see? So, these coampnies are making tons of money by dragging out the release of new technology process...I mean think about it...we have dual core 2.4ghz processors in the year 2001. It is SEVEN years later, and we are still selling dual core 2.4ghz computers for $1,500 and up. Sure, you can get a better deal by building your own but the average consumer doesnt know how to do that, so that lack of technical expertise, combined with slow technology drift, keeps these companies in the high profit margins. I mean by now, if we were all 100% tech-savvy we would be demanding (as a whole) 12-core computers, with 20ghz ciphs each core...it's just not gonna happen when these big conglomerates control the flow of technology.
One company kind of broke free of this, and did work on their own. Look up the RED 4K Camera. current professional cameras for filming are $2,000 and up and film 720x480pixels, well HD cameras ar emore expensive, $4000 and up for pro quality and they are 1920x1080 pixels, well the RED 4K Camera came out over 2 years ago and it can film in 3 to 4 times HD res @ 4000pixels. Of course since they are th eonly ones doing it they can charge $20,000 per camera when in reality the parts to make it cost about $500...but do you know how to make a video camera? do you know how to build a PDA? Do you know how to manufacture 64GB ram chips to put in your PDA? Are you a programmer and cna you make the firmware for your custom device? and the list goes on and on....this is why we PAY $600 for a device that costs them $50 to make. Get it?
::: Connor
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Ok, I am so sick of hearing this argument from consumers, who the majority of the time don't have a clue how marketing and the economy works. think about it...if you ran a multi-billion dollar company making these devices, would you throw all your cards on the table in one fell swoop? of course not!
these companies are not stupid...sure they could release a device tomorrow that had 2gigs of ram, an awesome video card, 800x600 res screen, 64gb built in storage, and still be the size of the xv8600 if not smaller...but that would kille the company and also violate market laws no doubt (like when microsoft released internet explorer for free back when netscape navigator cost $30 a month to use...
come on, these companies are in it for the long haul...if they released a deivce with those stats i just listed (and they could easily...think how small a 8gb transflash card is...you could have 128GB (notmb) of ram easily running on those things, but anyway, if they released that, guess what you, the consumer would want 6 months from now? A device that was twice as good, and had twice as much ram, and speed and space, etc...
Why would these compnies shoot themselves in the foot? They are making money hand over fist selling these devices that use technology available 5-10 years ago...heck, if i were a CEO of LG or HTC or Samsung or whoever, I would be loving this.
It just makes sense, and the average consumer makes a post like that with no thought as to what would happen to the economy or company. Just because it can be done and easily done and you want it, doesnt mean the company is going to say "sure, let's skip 5 years of profits, and just give them what we could sell in 2012, now in 2008" - heck no they arent going to do that obviously.
THE BOTTOM LINE: We, the consumers, have a short memory, are very impatient, and want the next best thing no matter how good the current thing we have is. If they put 256mb in the Titan, your last post would have been...."WHY CANT THEY PUT IN 512MB?!?!?!!?" you see? So, these coampnies are making tons of money by dragging out the release of new technology process...I mean think about it...we have dual core 2.4ghz processors in the year 2001. It is SEVEN years later, and we are still selling dual core 2.4ghz computers for $1,500 and up. Sure, you can get a better deal by building your own but the average consumer doesnt know how to do that, so that lack of technical expertise, combined with slow technology drift, keeps these companies in the high profit margins. I mean by now, if we were all 100% tech-savvy we would be demanding (as a whole) 12-core computers, with 20ghz ciphs each core...it's just not gonna happen when these big conglomerates control the flow of technology.
One company kind of broke free of this, and did work on their own. Look up the RED 4K Camera. current professional cameras for filming are $2,000 and up and film 720x480pixels, well HD cameras ar emore expensive, $4000 and up for pro quality and they are 1920x1080 pixels, well the RED 4K Camera came out over 2 years ago and it can film in 3 to 4 times HD res @ 4000pixels. Of course since they are th eonly ones doing it they can charge $20,000 per camera when in reality the parts to make it cost about $500...but do you know how to make a video camera? do you know how to build a PDA? Do you know how to manufacture 64GB ram chips to put in your PDA? Are you a programmer and cna you make the firmware for your custom device? and the list goes on and on....this is why we PAY $600 for a device that costs them $50 to make. Get it?
::: Connor
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I understand your arguments and mostly they are correct. But $30 bucks a month for Netscape Navigator? I can't remember that. I was surfing the net back in '94 on Netscape and I don't remember paying anything for it (apart from dialup charges - and that was even before IE existed) ****, does that show how old I am???
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Ok, I am so sick of hearing this argument from consumers, who the majority of the time don't have a clue how marketing and the economy works. think about it...if you ran a multi-billion dollar company making these devices, would you throw all your cards on the table in one fell swoop? of course not!
::: Connor
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They did it with the Touch.....they must be able to do it with the mogul even if they revamp it a bit. we put a man on the moon recently so why not more ram in a phone.
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I understand your arguments and mostly they are correct. But $30 bucks a month for Netscape Navigator? I can't remember that. I was surfing the net back in '94 on Netscape and I don't remember paying anything for it (apart from dialup charges - and that was even before IE existed) ****, does that show how old I am???
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well you cant be that old if you dont remember netscape sueing microsoft for anti-trust lawsuits for releasing free software into a market that undercut their $10-$30 netscape versions depending on which one you bought...(remember, netscape gold and all that lol, back in the early 90s (this is pre 1994) - that's just when yahoo finally came around. i mean i am only 26 and i remember having to use Mosaic web browser...the browser that eventually became Netscape Navigator...LINK #1 - Mosaic and this LINK #2 - Netscape - it talks all about the antitrust lawsuits, etc..
anyway, back on topic...double the ram didnt happen because of one word..."MONEY!" - you can make WAY more money as a company seeing how far and long you can push the customer.
-connor
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They did it with the Touch.....they must be able to do it with the mogul even if they revamp it a bit. we put a man on the moon recently so why not more ram in a phone.
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you didnt understand his post, its not about cost or technology, its about marketing
the phone was designed fro WM5, so 64mb ram was more than enough, why should they put 128mb in the phone when in a year they can release a new phone with 128mb and everyone will buy that?
does it suck? sure, but its life, better get used to it
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you didnt understand his post, its not about cost or technology, its about marketing
the phone was designed fro WM5, so 64mb ram was more than enough, why should they put 128mb in the phone when in a year they can release a new phone with 128mb and everyone will buy that?
does it suck? sure, but its life, better get used to it
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This is the same idea why we don't have cars with fuel injectors that can run 70 miles to the gallon using standard gas. As long as demand is high enough on goods that are out there (i.e. old phones, old cars, and everything else) and people are willing to keep buying them with outmoded technology, there is no reason to sell the next great thing UNTIL someone else threatens to sell the same thing. Is there really any competition for HTC in the US markets? No. LG sux and runs an OS that looks like my mother-in-laws Razr. Samsung is ok, but doesn't have the utility and look of the vogue or titan.
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This is the same idea why we don't have cars with fuel injectors that can run 70 miles to the gallon using standard gas. As long as demand is high enough on goods that are out there (i.e. old phones, old cars, and everything else) and people are willing to keep buying them with outmoded technology, there is no reason to sell the next great thing UNTIL someone else threatens to sell the same thing. Is there really any competition for HTC in the US markets? No. LG sux and runs an OS that looks like my mother-in-laws Razr. Samsung is ok, but doesn't have the utility and look of the vogue or titan.
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Dude this is so true. They already have several engines that can get 50-100 mpg no problems. But why wold they bother when they can sell us hybrids which cost heaps more and don't get nearly as good mileage.
The latest is a 6 stroke engine that uses a standard four stroke motor and add two extra strokes per cycle using water! as the 'fuel'. The motor doesn't 'make' more power for nothing. This is not some fake 'perpetual motion machine' . The extra efficiency is achieved purely by getting more heat out of the same amount of fuel instead of throwing the heat out the tail pipe.
See this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_stroke_engine
Its a bit off topic but its a true example of the same thing. they will only do it when the market forces them to do it. $10 a gallon gasoline might be the push. (Look at Europe - they pay about they and their cars average about 40-45 mpg).
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(Look at Europe - they pay about they and their cars average about 40-45 mpg).
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True, but their cars only hold two and you drive around with their knees in their chests, so you better go on a diet, destroy your way of life and get rid of that SUV. I for one am going to be pulled out of my F-350 dead before i give it up.
thats why i make my own diesel fuel NOW if I could just figure out how to make my own phone LOL.
What yall are saying is true tho. we all know that the technology WE see, is the bottom of the barrel of their ideas. no one here would shoot their whole wad at once to appease the clammering consumer. a smart business man would make as much as they can by letting a bit out at a time while developing more and more "stuff" we desire and are willing to give up our hard earned money for.
Its called "capitalism" I know that a dirty word for the "dirt worshiping squirrel hugger" out there but, thats the way it is so get in the boat or tread water for as long as you can.
i dont get ppl with SUVs....i mean i live in Texas and i dont have an SUV or a truck...just a 4door sedan for me and my family. that's all i need, even with some dirt/rock roads when i go out into the country...a truck would actually be more bouncy and annoying to ride in. ive never liked SUVs for any purpose...but soccer moms for some reason think they need the Xterra or their husbands need Hummers to drive one or two kids to and from soccer practice...i dont get it. SUVs are pointless unless you work in construction.
-connor
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They did it with the Touch.....they must be able to do it with the mogul even if they revamp it a bit. we put a man on the moon recently so why not more ram in a phone.
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Maybe that was with the help of those $4000 HD digital video cameras
I am with you, I will be buried in my F350 Diesel.
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True, but their cars only hold two and you drive around with their knees in their chests, so you better go on a diet, destroy your way of life and get rid of that SUV. I for one am going to be pulled out of my F-350 dead before i give it up.
thats why i make my own diesel fuel NOW if I could just figure out how to make my own phone LOL.
What yall are saying is true tho. we all know that the technology WE see, is the bottom of the barrel of their ideas. no one here would shoot their whole wad at once to appease the clammering consumer. a smart business man would make as much as they can by letting a bit out at a time while developing more and more "stuff" we desire and are willing to give up our hard earned money for.
Its called "capitalism" I know that a dirty word for the "dirt worshiping squirrel hugger" out there but, thats the way it is so get in the boat or tread water for as long as you can.
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So what are the chances of the Ram chip from a touch/tilt being soldered into the mogul assuming there is any similarities
they did something similar with the old palms to double the ram can be found here
http://pages.interlog.com/~tcharron/Palm8M/III8M.html
im fairly new to the pocket pc phones but what are the chances of using the extra rom space as a page file?
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Dude this is so true. They already have several engines that can get 50-100 mpg no problems. But why wold they bother when they can sell us hybrids which cost heaps more and don't get nearly as good mileage.
The latest is a 6 stroke engine that uses a standard four stroke motor and add two extra strokes per cycle using water! as the 'fuel'. The motor doesn't 'make' more power for nothing. This is not some fake 'perpetual motion machine' . The extra efficiency is achieved purely by getting more heat out of the same amount of fuel instead of throwing the heat out the tail pipe.
See this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_stroke_engine
Its a bit off topic but its a true example of the same thing. they will only do it when the market forces them to do it. $10 a gallon gasoline might be the push. (Look at Europe - they pay about they and their cars average about 40-45 mpg).
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There is better:
"Although you can definitely pre-order an Aptera if you're okay with space-aged design, Volkswagen is hoping to provide another option for those looking for ridiculous MPG and a little bit of normalcy in construction. Okay, so maybe the 1-Liter isn't exactly standard fare -- with its plastic / magnesium shell and all-glass roof -- but at least it packs four whole wheels and an iconic VW badge, right? According to Motor Authority, the automaker will be producing said vehicle and pushing it to market as early as 2010, and while the minuscule engine will only take you to 75MPH, it will still seat two people -- one in front of the other, though -- and get around 235MPG. No word on a price or any of that good stuff, but we're hearing that they'll only be produced in "limited numbers" whenever they're launched." (from engadget)
As for European cars..europeans don't need to travel as much because the size of the countries in europe are rather small in size comparison to the USA..realistically speaking is over 85mph even really necessary at all?
As for Titan..capitalism is one thing..we aren't asking for 1gb ram even though we would like it...but a decent amount to ensure you don't feel lag would make sense...
I love Europe... but the euro is costing more than the $... not a smart time to go there... YAY U.S. economy!!!!
anyway... I thought this was a WM forum... for a moment I felt I was in a Popular Mechanics forum... my 2 cents
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As for Titan..capitalism is one thing..we aren't asking for 1gb ram even though we would like it...but a decent amount to ensure you don't feel lag would make sense...
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remember the titan was designed for WM5, and with WM5 128mb might as well be 1gb, lol
remember the titan was designed for WM5, and with WM5 128mb might as well be 1gb, lol
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The Titan was originally designed for WM5 yes, which is why the decision for 64 MB of ram was made. Then, however, they decided to throw WM6 on it and didn't even bother to give a damn that 64 MB of ram for WM6 is like running Windows XP with 256 MB of ram...it works, but just barely. Instead, as another poster pointed out, they figured that it would work to their advantage as people would enjoy WM6, but be disgruntled (as we all are) with such limited resources. This would lead us to buy yet another phone later on down the line with 128 MB of ram and WM6 (or now WM6.1).
I'm going to return my tablet to Amazon and wait for something better. I have been using the 10.1 non stop for the past two weeks and it is awesome. The few problems it has are with HC and not the hardware. However, I feel the processing power needs to be a bit higher for 1280x720 resolution and we need more video codecs. Nvidia say they won't make the same mistake with the upcoming quadcore, and since it's only 2 months away, the wait feels justified to me.
Don't get me wrong, this tablet owns all other HC tablets at the moment. I just would be very pissed off if the new tablets like the Amazon Hollywood appeared this Christmas and completely destroyed the performance of my 10.1 along with playing nearly any video I copy onto it.
I urge anyone still within their return period to consider sending it back. It would be one thing if the new tablets were 5 or 6 months out, but 2 months is too close.
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I'm going to return my tablet to Amazon and wait for something better. I have been using the 10.1 non stop for the past two weeks and it is awesome. The few problems it has are with HC and not the hardware. However, I feel the processing power needs to be a bit higher for 1280x720 resolution and we need more video codecs. Nvidia say they won't make the same mistake with the upcoming quadcore, and since it's only 2 months away, the wait feels justified to me.
Don't get me wrong, this tablet owns all other HC tablets at the moment. I just would be very pissed off if the new tablets like the Amazon Hollywood appeared this Christmas and completely destroyed the performance of my 10.1 along with playing nearly any video I copy onto it.
I urge anyone still within their return period to send it back. It would be one thing if the new tablets were 5 or 6 months out, but 2 months is too close.
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You do understand that if you actually lived by that way of thinking, you would literally (seriously, joking aside) never own a tablet...? Because lets say you were thinking about the original G-Tab when it first came out...but then heard that Honeycomb was on its way, so you waited...then Honeycomb shows up with its array of tablets (the Tegra 2 generation)...and as tempting and highly-praised as they may be, you then hear about the next round of Honeycomb tablets (with quadcores )...but wait! not all that long after that should be the Ice Cream Sandwich debut with yet ANOTHER suite of tablets (with maybe hexa- or octo-core chips! ), so I'm guessing you should wait for THOSE to come out, right?!?
No offense man, but I really wish people would come up with more logical, legitimate, and justifiable excuses for not buying new pieces of electronics, because face it - it is a 100% certainty that within 6 months of your purchase of said piece of electronics, it WILL be outdated to some extent. Like it or not, it is a virtual guarantee that within that amount of time the successor generation of products (in this case tablets) will hit the market with better specs and features than that of the product you bought. And that is a stone-cold fact something that all of us as fans of electronics and gizmos simply have to come to grips with.
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You do understand that if you actually lived by that way of thinking, you would literally (seriously, joking aside) never own a tablet...? Because lets say you were thinking about the original G-Tab when it first came out...but then heard that Honeycomb was on its way, so you waited...then Honeycomb shows up with its array of tablets (Tegra 2)...and as tempting as they may be, you then hear about the next round of Honeycomb tablets (with quadcores )...but wait! not all that long after that should be the Ice Cream Sandwich debut with yet ANOTHER suite of tablets (with maybe hexa- or octo-core chips! ), so I'm guessing you should wait for THOSE to come out, right?!?
No offense man, but I really wish people would come up with more logical, legitimate, and justifiable excuses for not buying new pieces of electronics, because face it - it is a 100% certainty that within 6 months of your purchase of said piece of electronics, it WILL be outdated to some extent. And that is a stone-cold fact something that all of us as fans of electronics and gizmos simply have to come to grips with.
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If you read my OP, you would see my reasoning which should be more than justified with the next slew of more powerful tablets. 6 months is fine to me. Not 2 months, though.
I'll give you an example. I recently built myself a computer and started out with an X58 and a Core i7-950. About a month and a half later, the new P67 boards came out and that awesome i7-2600K with them. I asked on many forums what I should do and most said I should be happy with what I had. I ignored that advice and couldn't be happier. But, when I was building the 2600K rig, everyone kept telling me I was wasting my time because Z68 boards. I don't care about the upcoming Z68 boards because I'm very pleased with my PC. It's far superior to the i7-950 build and it will last for quite some time.
Tegra2 just isn't powerful enough. I can't even use a live wallpaper without stuff becoming sluggish and you can't argue that one. Try moving an icon around with a live wallpaper running.
Their pricey toys...not investments.
Well, in my case they sure are an investment literally, doing post-graduation the laod of coursebooks is unbearable, these a step ahead from usual e-ink crap have helped me a lot, adding the annotation feature. It ain't mere multimedia box where you throw all 1080p movies (God knows from where!) and expect playback or else failure. Consider the excellent resolution, the browser experience with flash and excellent apps around (actually mean the THD games!) plus QUick office HD (as free!!! take this iPAD) and pdf readers like Repligo and eZpdf.
One man's bad experience doesn't justify the claimed redundancy of such a wonderful piece of technology! Quad-cores ahead, sure let'em on, more fun is ahead, massive multitasking and profound browser experience with emerging social networks like google+ and prevalent Fbook!
In short, Screw you man! I am keeping mine!
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Well, in my case they sure are an investment literally, doing post-graduation the laod of coursebooks is unbearable, these a step ahead from usual e-ink crap have helped me a lot, adding the annotation feature. It ain't mere multimedia box where you throw all 1080p movies (God knows from where!) and expect playback or else failure. Consider the excellent resolution, the browser experience with flash and excellent apps around (actually mean the THD games!) plus QUick office HD (as free!!! take this iPAD) and pdf readers like Repligo and eZpdf.
One man's bad experience doesn't justify the claimed redundancy of such a wonderful piece of technology! Quad-cores ahead, sure let'em on, more fun is ahead, massive multitasking and profound browser experience with emerging social networks like google+ and prevalent Fbook!
In short, Screw you man! I am keeping mine!
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I definitely love the very last sentence of this.
Now see I'm not saying the tablet is a bad experience. But I think it's a good idea to hold out a few months. It's the same thing with phones. I really like the Sensation and the Evo 3D, but the Nexus is coming this Christmas too. I've been patiently waiting for it.
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I definitely love the very last sentence of this.
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Effing priceless
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Now see I'm not saying the tablet is a bad experience. But I think it's a good idea to hold out a few months. It's the same thing with phones. I really like the Sensation and the Evo 3D, but the Nexus is coming this Christmas too. I've been patiently waiting for it.
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So are you honestly going to say that right about when the time comes for you to buy the phone you're holding out for and you hear rumors swirling about the next phone after that (and this will happen, by the way, it has happen with every single major period of Android-related releases so far), that you won't be tempted to do the same thing over again (that is, hold off until that comes out?). You seem to be missing the point - if you subscribe to this it will unarguably be an endless circle. And it is by no means your fault necessarily, its the Apples, Samsungs, HTCs, LGs, Sonys, Motorolas, Toshibas, etc of the world who are coming out with newer generations of productions, not yearly, or even every 6 months, but most often even less than that. Of course the good side of that is the technology is progressing super fast these days, so I guess that's the tradeoff that we all have to live with - major progression and innovation of tech but with each piece getting trumped by the next every few months
I can honestly say I will get the Nexus 3 or whatever it will be called, regardless of upcoming rumors around that time. As long as it's not done like the Nexus S was. A clone of a phone already out.
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I can honestly say I will get the Nexus 3 or whatever it will be called, regardless of upcoming rumors around that time. As long as it's not done like the Nexus S was. A clone of a phone already out.
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Well I can definitely agree on you with the Nexus S - I am an N1 owner, from the day of launch, and I have yet to see another new phone on the market since then that can hold a candle to that phone, period. Now that being said, we'll all have to wait and see what the N3 will be all about. If you recall, the Nexus S was rumored to have quite a lot going for it...until it saw the light of day, at which point we were all like, "what?". So clearly the N3 has some really big shoes to fill, and hopefully those developing it realize this completely.
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Now see I'm not saying the tablet is a bad experience. But I think it's a good idea to hold out a few months. It's the same thing with phones. I really like the Sensation and the Evo 3D, but the Nexus is coming this Christmas too. I've been patiently waiting for it.
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I've been waiting for a Verizon phone with a dual core and LTE forever now and guess what, it'll probably be outdated when it arrives, maybe I should hold off for a quad-core, kal-el, or maybe a 6-core or just maybe wait 25 years in hopes that phones are so advanced every new one will be just like the others (wont happen). Buy now and use it for a few year and sell it on ebay and pay a couple more dollars to get the next gen.
There will always be something newer and faster. And just like our tab, they too will not be perfect.
I definitely understand the point you guys are making. But I'm not concerned about having the newest and best. It's about getting something that works well and also satisfies. If I'm dropping 500 dollars, I want to be completely happy with my purchase and I'm not with the 10.1.
EDIT: I'm going to sign up for that AMEX membership so I can have that option in the future as well.
I never understood the point of threads like these. OP has an opinion; others have their own. What's the point of a poll? And more to the point, regarding the following quote:
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I urge anyone still within their return period to send it back.
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F-you, OP. You don't have the right to "urge" me to do anything. Your opinion is your own -- but when you try to impose it on me, we've got a problem.
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You don't have the right to "urge" me to do anything. Your opinion is your own -- but when you try to impose it on me, we've got a problem.
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Exactly this!
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I never understood the point of threads like these. OP has an opinion; others have their own. What's the point of a poll? And more to the point, regarding the following quote:
F-you, OP. You don't have the right to "urge" me to do anything. Your opinion is your own -- but when you try to impose it on me, we've got a problem.
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I can see how that came off wrong. What I meant is that I urge people to consider it.
The point of a thread and poll like this was to see if anyone else was thinking of doing the same thing as me. That's why we have the poll option.
Don't get so worked up over something on the internet. It causes stress.
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I'll give you an example. I recently built myself a computer and started out with an X58 and a Core i7-950. About a month and a half later, the new P67 boards came out and that awesome i7-2600K with them. I asked on many forums what I should do and most said I should be happy with what I had. I ignored that advice and couldn't be happier. But, when I was building the 2600K rig, everyone kept telling me I was wasting my time because Z68 boards. I don't care about the upcoming Z68 boards because I'm very pleased with my PC. It's far superior to the i7-950 build and it will last for quite some time.
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I understand your thought process, but herein lies the problem:
You returned your old PC and upgraded it and I am sure you are extremely pleased with what you have. Now, if you would have kept your i7-950 build you would have also been extremely pleased with it.
With the way hardware technology is advancing, software developers cannot keep up. How many applications do you have that take advantage of the extra speed of that newer generation processor? Heck, how many applications are there that actually take use of anything higher than a dual core processor? Not many - and in your case, there's probably only a handful of applications that will use the newest generation processors to their potential. In all likelihood you don't use these, and even if you do, you only use them extremely rarely.
The same thing is happening in the Tablet field, although to a stronger extent. I actually don't know of any applications that take use of the dual-core processors in newer generation phones and tablets. In fact, Froyo and Gingerbread don't even take use of dual-core processors at the kernel level. Applications being built for mobile devices just aren't likely to be designed with multi-threading in mind.
Keep this in mind when you are deciding to take your tablet back - but I wish you good luck nonetheless.
You bring up some good points. I play a lot of PC games and noticed a good amount of difference, but outside of games not much.
And there's is a good chance I could get *screwed* with a quad core tablet that overheats and has horrible battery life. We'll see.
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I can see how that came off wrong. What I meant is that I urge people to consider it.
The point of a thread and poll like this was to see if anyone else was thinking of doing the same thing as me. That's why we have the poll option.
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Why do you think you need to urge people to consider returning their Tabs? We're not children who need to be reminded of our options as consumers. Your ex post facto reinterpretation is nearly as patronizing as your original post.
While I give you credit for acting civil in your posts -- an unusual accomplishment in this genre of threads -- it still appears to me that you're just looking to provoke polarizing responses. Whether the Tab is or isn't a good purchase for someone is matter of personal opinion. No poll or discussion is going to change that.
Im buying the new transformer prime... but about 4 days ago i was heading out the door to buy an ipad 2 before a friend showed me this great device. So far in the last 4 days since i heard of this tablet ive told 20 different people about this and NO ONE knows about it, NO ONE!! not a soul, and who can blame them?
there's no commercials, there's almost no add campaign at all... there's not even a solid release date yet!!
im finding it hard to make an investment in this company.
I won't get into how much money Apple dunks into marketing their products. This all comes down to how much more they will gain by dumping millions on advertising it. Will they make 10x profit compared to the cost? If they can't get a good estimate, then most company chooses to just let online "press" and retailers advertise in their stead. See how it goes and promote it further. Most people learn about products on TV and the Internet, but what makes them want to buy a product is from knowing someone that owns it or have experienced it first hand. There's no reason for a corporation to invest in marketing a product if it is not a 100% sure hit. It has something to do with corporate decisions.
The EeePad Transformer was a pretty good device with AWESOME support. That is what Asus does. I can verify that is what Asus does best; slow at getting customers, but keeps them forever because they stay behind their products. If you ever purchase their video cards, or other hardware, you will find that Asus will treat you like family.
Apple may have good Customer Support but that lasts how long? 90 days without a warranty?
But also, this is a new product as its not just another Tablet. While current Transformer users love the product, it does seem a little unusual. The Transformer line-up will become a pretty big thing in the next few years I'm sure.
I was surprised that in a group of 20 people 2 recognised Asus Transformer for what it was and no one called it iPad. It was in Poland. I don't know if there were advertisements in TV for it or sth. It's in most big shops though, maybe people know it from their ad flyers (I don't know how it's called - ads for big stores that are left on your front door with information about new promotions).
Android tablets suffer from hardware-war. But the thing is that majority of consumers are mainly interested in CONTENT, not the device and its hardware. This is why Amazon Kindle jumped amazingly fast in sales even though their custom skin for Android and hardware of the device are relatively lacklustre.
Android makers mainly battle with their features and hardware. But that's not the way to make an impact.
I understand word of mouth is a great way to sell products, but since no one i know has ever heard of this thing, i got lucky that some random xbl friend happened to know about it. I find it hard to beleave that ASUS is a marketing geniuses that is using a unique marketing trick which is the opposite of what everyone else does.
Apple has everyone brain washed, including me a little while ago, and thats what ASUS should be striving for.. not hide in the shadows and let the fans do the selling.
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I understand word of mouth is a great way to sell products, but since no one i know has ever heard of this thing, i got lucky that some random xbl friend happened to know about it. I find it hard to beleave that ASUS is a marketing geniuses that is using a unique marketing trick which is the opposite of what everyone else does.
Apple has everyone brain washed, including me a little while ago, and thats what ASUS should be striving for.. not hide in the shadows and let the fans do the selling.
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I don't think anyone's trying to argue that Asus is a marketing genius. But they don't have anywhere close to Apple's financial resources. So instead of a billion dollar ad campaign, they spend that money on developing and continuously supporting their products. Apple may have people brainwashed, but Asus doesn't need to resort to that, as their products speak for themselves.
And if you look at the release of the Transformer 1, which sold much faster than it could be produced initially (and it looks like the same might be the case for the TF2), you can see they must be doing something right.
Thank god I won't have to see a billion other people holding the same device as me. I want to throw up when I see everyone on the bus using the same iPhone.
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Apple may have good Customer Support but that lasts how long? 90 days without a warranty?
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Just wanted to clarify that Apple products have a 1 year warranty included, and you can just drive to an Apple store to get it serviced, and not having to pay to RMA your products by mailing it and wait...
I've been thinking about this tablet, and it's release date wondering why it's not out yet.
All I can think of is
1) Want to get rid of inventory of TF101's
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2) Really want to wait to get the ICS out with the tablet. Because it significantly increases the performance of the Tegra 3 quad core tablet. Maybe, if they release with Honeycomb, and the Quad core is slightly better performance than Dual core, they look overpriced, and low benchmarks get circulated around the web.
Both are pure speculation without but there has to be some reason it's not out yet.
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Just wanted to clarify that Apple products have a 1 year warranty included, and you can just drive to an Apple store to get it serviced, and not having to pay to RMA your products by mailing it and wait...
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..and have to deal with an Apple Store Genius. I've seen many smarmy Apple users, but these "Geniuses" take it to a new level... No thanks.
They remind me of the "Santa's helper Elves" in A Christmas Story (yeah, the one with Ralphie).
They re definitly waiting for ICS to launch the Prime. And they are right to do so. don't ship an unfinished product, especialy when hopes and demands are so high about it.
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I've been thinking about this tablet, and it's release date wondering why it's not out yet.
All I can think of is
1) Want to get rid of inventory of TF101's
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2) Really want to wait to get the ICS out with the tablet. Because it significantly increases the performance of the Tegra 3 quad core tablet. Maybe, if they release with Honeycomb, and the Quad core is slightly better performance than Dual core, they look overpriced, and low benchmarks get circulated around the web.
Both are pure speculation without but there has to be some reason it's not out yet.
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Or they want to be sure they have plenty of stock, and that stock it where it's supposed to go, before releasing it. I imagine there's a lot of demand, and more places than ever wanting to sell it. Logistically, it's a lot of work.
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Or they want to be sure they have plenty of stock, and that stock it where it's supposed to go, before releasing it. I imagine there's a lot of demand, and more places than ever wanting to sell it. Logistically, it's a lot of work.
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This is what I'm thinking is the case. The first time around, the TF101 was back-ordered for weeks and the dock didn't launch for a month after the tablet. This is not a fun situation to be in for the company or consumers. I'm sure that not being able to meet demand takes a toll on potential sales.
That said, it is also possible that they are wanting to deliver what had been rumored, since it was within their abilities to do. The tech blogs were making a lot of noise at the end of last month, beginning of this month about the Prime as being the first Tegra 3 and first ICS tablet to market. It does not seem out of the question that Asus would try to live up to the rumors if possible, especially while trying to justify a higher price-point than the original.
well this is making me feel better about ASUS, but my last argument is more of a nuh-uhh then anything else. I still say, even if they lack the resources there should be some small add campaign, a release date, internet adds. I was extremely lucky to find this product.
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To be fair, Asus has service centers all over their home country Taiwan that are similar to Apple's genius bars.
I think it's just because Asus is based in Taiwan that we don't see much of their advertising and great service. They seem to focus most of their efforts in their home country. If you go look around there you'll see Asus ads everywhere.
Just because they don't advertise; makes it a bad product. Most people buy IOS devices because they simply aren't geekish and just want a device that works ,(Not counting the ever annoying and ignorant iSheep/iFanboys).
What i love about Asus, is that the products speak for themselves.
I remember when the HTC Evo 4G had been announced but not yet released... and everyone was clamoring and *****ing, wondering why HTC & Sprint didn't bother with any pre-release advertising and hype. And look, it went to become one of the more popular Android offerings in recent history.
Don't sweat it...
Guys here in the US the Prime is 100% sold out on Amazon, has been since 48 hours from being made available. Doesn't matter if it has commercials or not, it's already making money and isn't even on shelves.
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Android tablets suffer from hardware-war. But the thing is that majority of consumers are mainly interested in CONTENT, not the device and its hardware. This is why Amazon Kindle jumped amazingly fast in sales even though their custom skin for Android and hardware of the device are relatively lacklustre.
Android makers mainly battle with their features and hardware. But that's not the way to make an impact.
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Tegra 3 is better than the A5 Chip.
The GPU in Tegra 3 is actually better than the SGX543, but its 2 GPU not one which is why its benchmark is higher, if you half the score in GLBenchmark for iPad 2 you see that Tegra 3 is btter. So hardware Android isnt far behind.
Just popped up this morning. Question is, will they give me a credit on my account since i just bought mine last week?
I think you have 14 days.. When I got mine they dropped to 199 from 299 and I got refunded.
So is this the time to switch to the rezound? I've kept debating between the nexus and this but I keep leaning towards the rezound because of size
Yes. Do it you wont regret it. Best phone I've had.
damn i got mine last month.... ughhhh
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Yes. Do it you wont regret it. Best phone I've had.
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I think that's all I need. Might need some adjusting going from motorola flashing to htc but it shouldnt be to hard.
I bought mine in a corporate store 11 days ago and decided to call and see what could be done. The price is online only meaning my only option would be to return the phone to the corporate store (and pay the $35 restocking fee) then order online (and possibly get stuck with the $35 activation fee, which the store waived for me). If you ordered your phone online, it seems they are perfectly willing and able to do a price match and refund the difference.
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Yes. Do it you wont regret it. Best phone I've had.
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Oh and +1 on this. I went from a Samsung Captivate to this and am extremely happy with my decision. I was going to get the GNex but I don't see any real advantage to it other than coming with ICS...and I wasn't very happy with Samsung after all the GPS issues the Captivate had. My Captivate would lose GPS lock in a car that was moving over 30 mph on any ROM, stock or otherwise, while my Rezound successfully got a 7 satellite lock in the most underground part of my walk-out basement. Of course that's just one of many great things about this phone. Lol
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I bought mine in a corporate store 11 days ago and decided to call and see what could be done. The price is online only meaning my only option would be to return the phone to the corporate store (and pay the $35 restocking fee) then order online (and possibly get stuck with the $35 activation fee, which the store waived for me). If you ordered your phone online, it seems they are perfectly willing and able to do a price match and refund the difference.
I bought mine at a corporate store yesterday and just called *611. The first guy told me the price was online only, but then he transferred me to "someone that was authorized to match the price." That person then talked to me for about 10 seconds and finally transferred me to the woman that put me on silent hold a few times, then said she would be crediting my account for the $100.
So maybe persistence is the key??
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Wonder why it keeps getting cheap lol
Might jump on this. Just got my upgrade on the 16th but I'm waiting on mwc to see if any quad core phones are hitting Verizon within the next few months. Hopefully HTC, too. I know the One X is supposed to be announced with the tegra 3 and if it's coming to Verizon I may just have to hold out for it.
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Might jump on this. Just got my upgrade on the 16th but I'm waiting on mwc to see if any quad core phones are hitting Verizon within the next few months.
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I'm curious if quad cores will actually make any real world difference in the phones performance especially since the Rezound runs on one core 99% of the time??
Since the tegra 3 has an idle core and the LTE modem integrated right into the chip, there should be a pretty big improvement in battery life. That's really my only concern. since I'll be locked into a 2 year contract I'm sure somewhere in that time we'll be able to fully utilize all 4 cores by then. If the cores aren't utilized then I'll take the increase in battery life I'd it's better than dual core, till something else that improves battery life comes.
graymonkey44 said:
Since the tegra 3 has an idle core and the LTE modem integrated right into the chip, there should be a pretty big improvement in battery life. That's really my only concern. since I'll be locked into a 2 year contract I'm sure somewhere in that time we'll be able to fully utilize all 4 cores by then. If the cores aren't utilized then I'll take the increase in battery life I'd it's better than dual core, till something else that improves battery life comes.
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Appearently the Tegra 3 still uses the 40nm process for their chips will the next generation Snapdragon S4 will be using a 28nm. This means a smaller chip and less battery consumption.
I know benchmarks aren't everything but this is still pretty darn impressive considering this is a dual-core chip.
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/2...t-impressive-even-without-their-next-gen-gpu/
damn, just bought another one 17days ago.
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This means a smaller chip and less battery consumption.
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It's just the opposite. Building the same circuit with smaller gates will consume more power, due to increased gate leakage (quantum tunnelling). They compensate by using more sophisticated power control (shutting down unused portions of the IC), dynamic frequency scaling, multi-supply voltages (different voltages to different parts of the IC, depending on how fast they need to run), and process improvements (better materials). Much of that mitigation is already in use.
They decrease process size for two reasons - to put more functionality into the same space, and to increase yields (lower price/increase profit). It's not done to improve power efficiency.
What will ultimately result in better power consumption is a move to LTE for both voice and data. LTE is more spectrally efficient, and that, along with being able to remove the need for dual radios, will make things much better. That, of course, can't really happen until VZW has their entire network upgraded to LTE.
I bought my rezound on the first of February. Called Verizon on my way home today and the first rep credited my account without any problem. Very cool!
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I'm curious if quad cores will actually make any real world difference in the phones performance especially since the Rezound runs on one core 99% of the time??
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Nope pretty much no difference at all for everyday usage. Also probably no difference on current apps and future apps unless they really take advantage of the extra cores. TBH dual core is unecessary still for the current usage of our phones.
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Appearently the Tegra 3 still uses the 40nm process for their chips will the next generation Snapdragon S4 will be using a 28nm. This means a smaller chip and less battery consumption.
I know benchmarks aren't everything but this is still pretty darn impressive considering this is a dual-core chip.
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/2...t-impressive-even-without-their-next-gen-gpu/
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Linpack is trash. Now if it ACTUALLY gives double the performance in load times (which I highly doubt) and there's like virtually no difference between the 220 and 225. Not much of an upgrade TBH from our current chipset, but not a bad thing to have if you're in the market for a new device. If anything it'll mean less heat and in theory it should be less power consumption. But heck these things don't always work as they're intended too.
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Since the tegra 3 has an idle core and the LTE modem integrated right into the chip, there should be a pretty big improvement in battery life. That's really my only concern. since I'll be locked into a 2 year contract I'm sure somewhere in that time we'll be able to fully utilize all 4 cores by then. If the cores aren't utilized then I'll take the increase in battery life I'd it's better than dual core, till something else that improves battery life comes.
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I really doubt there will be huge improvements in battery life. Battery technology is years behind our current tech. You're technically not "locked" if you don't like your current device, you can always just sell it, and buy what you want at full retail . Carriers are good at creating the illusion you're stuck with what you buy for 20 months. I highly doubt any android apps or the OS will be fully utilizing 2+ cores any time soon... Hell look at the PC world!
Yea, I know there is very little (if any) real world speed difference between my Wife's highly tricked out one core Droid Charge and my dual core Rezound.
They run similar Antutu scores and if you lay them side by side and do the exact same thing on both phones simultaneously you will be hard pressed to pick one as a clear cut speed winner.
still doesn't beat the price I got on Amazon Thanksgiving week: 1 penny!!!
I was a bit worried, coming from a Nexus 5, that this phone would be laggy and that I wouldn't be satisfied with the screen resolution. Also about getting JUST a 16 GB phone in late 2014 when 32 GB should be the minimum standard.
I slapped a 64gb SD card in - it worked perfectly. Although I almost have it filled and just ordered a 128 GB card.
I actually use a LOT of apps as I have very diverse interests. After loading the apps I use weekly if not daily, I have about 2.5 GB left on internal storage - bottom line is that this phone meets my app needs.
The screen is absolutely beautiful. I have no problems with it - in fact it is fine and I like it.
There is NO lag on anything I have thrown at it.
Battery. Goodness! THERE IS NOTHING ELSE OUT THERE THAT WILL GET THIS TYPE OF USAGE ON A BATTERY CHARGE. I was injured and had to lay up on the couch and I got 3 days of use on a single charge. 3 days! AND still had 23% battery left! And this was heavy usage browsing, email, movies, read a book, etc. Coming from a Nexus 5 when you had to recharge every time you used it, this is a breath of fresh air and makes the phone well worth what I paid for it. Simply amazing! And I had gps, wi-fi, bluetooth all turned on the whole time and good screen brightness.
I also set it up as a wi-fi phone and data phone with Google Hangups and Dialer - works well.
To sum it up, don't hesitate to get this phone if you want a stable, large really nice screen, longest lasting battery, GREAT user experience phone.
edit: Just found out that this phone is no longer supported by the manufacturer. With this in mind my suggestion is, even though it could have been an awesome device, with no support it is a dead end. I think they just kicked themselves out of the USA market.
I too felt the same way about my mate 2 when i got it three weeks ago. Perfect in so many ways, flaunting it to everybody. But now this.
I agree, for a new owner of this device the news that it won't receive upgrades is total rage bait.
On the other hand, what exactly are we missing out on by not getting kit Kat? With a device lasting me an average two years (OK months, who am I kidding?) How drastically will android change from jelly bean in that time? Should I just toss the phone out now? Is that what owners of other admittedly higher specced and priced devices did when their supposedly more reliable manufacturer announced an upgrade dead end (or said nothing at all). Pretty much every phone manufacturer is guilty of this, and we haven't seen the end of it.
I'm going to use the living s#!+ out of this phone, squeeze every last drop of utility out of it. But when I'm done with it I will not be going back to huawei. Nope, nope, nope. Never again.
Is there any other option?
I just ordered an ascend mate. 2. It just arrived and haven't even opened it... Now, obviously I am pissed that there will be no software update, but I still don't see any other option for 299 dollars! Do you think I should return it? Do you advise a different device?
Yonimarcus said:
I just ordered an ascend mate. 2. It just arrived and haven't even opened it... Now, obviously I am pissed that there will be no software update, but I still don't see any other option for 299 dollars! Do you think I should return it? Do you advise a different device?
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I returned mine.
It depends what you are using it for. As a phone and apps device it is awesome. But if you want to do the things the newer operating system brings - like Google Wear devices, return it. IMO it is atrocious that a manufacturer would abandon a same year device and I spoke my dissatisfaction by returning it.
I agree that it is shameful that huawei would abandon a same year device... But can you think of any other device for that price? I can return it but for what other phone? And plus, assuming I root the phone and put the cm10.1 on it, what is the difference if they offer a software update?
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I agree that it is shameful that huawei would abandon a same year device... But can you think of any other device for that price? I can return it but for what other phone? And plus, assuming I root the phone and put the cm10.1 on it, what is the difference if they offer a software update?
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I've done some research and I'm thinking if you are looking for a phone with the same specs and screen size or slightly better at the same price pretty much your only option is buying something like the HTC one max from Swappa. It's well supported by both by updates and 3rd party development. It will get Lollipop in March according to HTC.
I'm holding out for a Nexus 6.
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