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Hi all.I just bought an ipad and i would like to share some thoughts on how this two compares. I decide for first gen, because its was on sale, 32 GB 3g version for just 499€ (with some extra discount) and software wise its pretty much like his young brother.
Build quality is much better than folio, it dont even compares. It fell solid as hell.
The screen is very good, but just a bit smaller than the one on folio.
One thing it misses are the stereo speakers. I would say that folio had in fact better sound.
Speed wise folio is faster. Pages load a lot faster and apps too. Despite that ipad does still runs fine for most apps and games.
Apps in ipad are much richer and polished... And app store is clean and well organised than android market.
Of course ipad doesnt have flash support but this days some major sites are jumping into html5. Still folio is taking the lead here.
One other thing that can give the edge to ipad are accessories... Most are very expensive though There are lots and lots of staff to improve ipad usability. In other hand folio doesnt need to be connect to an pc to get started, and you can use sd cards for grabbing content. Ipad does need to connect to a pc or mac for kick start, and It doesnt sync over the air.
Costumization is very poor under iOS and android is more open in terms of its homescreen replacements.
Ipad keyboard is not as good as other android keyboards just like thumbs keyboard, but its definetly better tha stock android keyboard.
Ipad is very stable and clean... Folio have lots of bugs and it crashes a lot.
Office suite from apple is a must and surpasses android apps on this matter.
One thing Ipad misses is hdmi out, but even using standard AV adaptor output is quite good. It also doesnt do 1080p, but again video is still very good. Folio hdmi output take the lead here.
Apple support is great and you can get extend protection in top of that. Toshiba support is as bad as We all know. One other thing is that with ipad you are sure that you will get iOS updates.
I will say that ipad is a more solid and finished product. Folio was a good try but its not as good as specs suggests, mainly because software and hardware issues that toshiba doesnt wont to fix.
I also would like to refer that battery life on Ipad is quite good, not to say outstanding. Folio is on average but not as long...
bastospn said:
Hi all.I just bought an ipad and i would like to share some thoughts on how this two compares. I decide for first gen, because its was on sale, 32 GB 3g version for just 499€ (with some extra discount) and software wise its pretty much like his young brother.
Build quality is much better than folio, it dont even compares. It fell solid as hell.
The screen is very good, but just a bit smaller than the one on folio.
One thing it misses are the stereo speakers. I would say that folio had in fact better sound.
Speed wise folio is faster. Pages load a lot faster and apps too. Despite that ipad does still runs fine for most apps and games.
Apps in ipad are much richer and polished... And app store is clean and well organised than android market.
Of course ipad doesnt have flash support but this days some major sites are jumping into html5. Still folio is taking the lead here.
One other thing that can give the edge to ipad are accessories... Most are very expensive though There are lots and lots of staff to improve ipad usability. In other hand folio doesnt need to be connect to an pc to get started, and you can use sd cards for grabbing content. Ipad does need to connect to a pc or mac for kick start, and It doesnt sync over the air.
Costumization is very poor under iOS and android is more open in terms of its homescreen replacements.
Ipad keyboard is not as good as other android keyboards just like thumbs keyboard, but its definetly better tha stock android keyboard.
Ipad is very stable and clean... Folio have lots of bugs and it crashes a lot.
Office suite from apple is a must and surpasses android apps on this matter.
One thing Ipad misses is hdmi out, but even using standard AV adaptor output is quite good. It also doesnt do 1080p, but again video is still very good. Folio hdmi output take the lead here.
Apple support is great and you can get extend protection in top of that. Toshiba support is as bad as We all know. One other thing is that with ipad you are sure that you will get iOS updates.
I will say that ipad is a more solid and finished product. Folio was a good try but its not as good as specs suggests, mainly because software and hardware issues that toshiba doesnt wont to fix.
I also would like to refer that battery life on Ipad is quite good, not to say outstanding. Folio is on average but not as long...
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Couldn't agree more, that's exactly what I felt when using both as well.
In respect to graphics, tegra 2 as of course better potencial. But the shortage of tegra 2 optimized games is here to last...
How smooth is the folio with foliomod v1.4 compared to the iPad when using the Internet? I'm having a hard time convincing myself not to choose the iPad over the folio. But folio is so much cheaper and more fun loading new roms and home replacements and such....
I find the iPad (gen1) very slow for web browsing, plus you are much more restricted about the choice of browsers. There are some big differences between the two, which one is best will depend on where your priorities are. Not having to use itunes to manage my (legally paid for) music is a huge plus for the folio for me.
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I find the iPad (gen1) very slow for web browsing, plus you are much more restricted about the choice of browsers. There are some big differences between the two, which one is best will depend on where your priorities are. Not having to use itunes to manage my (legally paid for) music is a huge plus for the folio for me.
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Does the foliomod rom improve the internet experience? Is there a video somewhere? I´ve seen the video with foliomod 0.2, but is there any newer? perhaps with a comparison?
How does it handle flash, like HDmt.net for example? Would it be possible to run that and display it to a tv? Does the tv mirror what´s on your device or does the folio´s screen turn black?
Btw, I think itunes sync is a plus... (But a option would be great...)
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I find the iPad (gen1) very slow for web browsing, plus you are much more restricted about the choice of browsers. There are some big differences between the two, which one is best will depend on where your priorities are. Not having to use itunes to manage my (legally paid for) music is a huge plus for the folio for me.
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Browsing it's not terrible slow on Ipad, but sure is slower than Folio. I think the main problem here is the lack of RAM, this happens when you have lots of tabs open. You can use Life browser that is in my opinion works better than Ipad.
You have lots and lots of browser for iOS, but hardware limitations are of course still affecting performance.
I 100% agree that itunes is not the best tool in the world to organize you music, but I guess I can live with that.
The answer is a big YES. you will get awesome browsing experience with FolioMod.
Still in my opinion it isn't all that stable, maybe because of flash.
You can of course use hdmi out to get a mirror on your TV or LCD display monitor.
Hello,
I am a current transformer owner and love it. Mainly use it for web browsing, games, such as gta3 and playing avi files. It meets my needs pretty well.
I am considering the prime as I believe it can play mkv files in HD, my transformer struggles big time with this even in 720p using DicePlayer.
The extra storage space would be good, plus having a slimmer model etc.
Im not really interested in using the GPS. Have no need for it, as my sgs2 phone acts as my in car navigation.
Anyone else come from the og transformer? Are you happy, major differences?
Cheers
i had the og transformer, the prime is better in almost every way (save for gps performance)
it's lighter, thinner, faster, feels better in hand, better cameras, better screen.
basically, if you don't want to wait until the middle of next year for some (most likely expensive) 1080p tablets, or the ipad3, the prime is the best tablet on the market right now, unless you really need proper gps.
so ya, i'm happy and i don't even have the dock yet.
Go for it. You'll be the coolest kid on the block w/ it! lol.
Its a great device @ a great value.
daz_2000 said:
Hello,
I am a current transformer owner and love it. Mainly use it for web browsing, games, such as gta3 and playing avi files. It meets my needs pretty well.
I am considering the prime as I believe it can play mkv files in HD, my transformer struggles big time with this even in 720p using DicePlayer.
The extra storage space would be good, plus having a slimmer model etc.
Im not really interested in using the GPS. Have no need for it, as my sgs2 phone acts as my in car navigation.
Anyone else come from the og transformer? Are you happy, major differences?
Cheers
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I'm in the same boat but i didnt have many probs watching videos on the TF101. i used BSplayer.
I've sold the TF101 now though and currently waiting for the prime to come from ebuyer pre-order.... cant wait now though!
i have no need for the GPS either as funnily enough, i also have the SGS2 for sat nav in the car
I'm considering buying a Galaxy Tab 10.1 however if I'm buying one I want to be able to connect it to the TV (a 46" Samsung* 1080p LCD) and play 1080p x264 (most likely in mkv container) smooth. I've been looking for information but couldn't find consistance, some say it's laggy and some say that it works fine. Also does it output true 24p?
So I'm asking here, does it work today and is it pretty much flawless or should I wait a little longer and buy a Tegra 3 tablet?
*Not an actual Samsung branded TV but it's a "designer brand" TV and they use Samsung hardware, not that it would really be relevant in this case.
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I'm considering buying a Galaxy Tab 10.1 however if I'm buying one I want to be able to connect it to the TV (a 46" Samsung* 1080p LCD) and play 1080p x264 (most likely in mkv container) smooth. I've been looking for information but couldn't find consistance, some say it's laggy and some say that it works fine. Also does it output true 24p?
So I'm asking here, does it work today and is it pretty much flawless or should I wait a little longer and buy a Tegra 3 tablet?
*Not an actual Samsung branded TV but it's a "designer brand" TV and they use Samsung hardware, not that it would really be relevant in this case.
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Nope. Tegra2 doesn't do 1080p well, and if you want "flawless" you're getting a bit ahead of the tech. I don't know how Tegra3 fares; I've heard it's better, but not flawless. I've never seen it myself, though. I'd suggest just getting a dedicated media streamer (Roku or ?) or a PS3 for that purpose.
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Nope. Tegra2 doesn't do 1080p well, and if you want "flawless" you're getting a bit ahead of the tech. I don't know how Tegra3 fares; I've heard it's better, but not flawless. I've never seen it myself, though. I'd suggest just getting a dedicated media streamer (Roku or ?) or a PS3 for that purpose.
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I've already got an Sandy Bridge HTPC for stationary media playback. To be perfectly honest I would probably not use it that much on my own tv but when I'm over at friends, etc.
Does it do 720p well at least? Thinking mainly of h.264 TV-Shows like the ones you can buy in iTunes and such but probably one and another x264 in matroska container as well. Now I'm not thinking much of playback over HDMI but rather on the screen (which is 1280x800 so 720p would be perfect for that screen). Would be nice to be able to put some movies in 720p on a bunch i 32GB MicroSD cards to watch on flights, train-rides and such (I frequently travel 3-6 hours and watching movies on the cell phone is horrible, laptop works if there's a table and proper space but I feel that a tabelt would be better for the purpose).
If it at least does 720p well I'll probably buy one and have until there are tablets which can handle 1080p flawlessly.
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I've already got an Sandy Bridge HTPC for stationary media playback. To be perfectly honest I would probably not use it that much on my own tv but when I'm over at friends, etc.
Does it do 720p well at least? Thinking mainly of h.264 TV-Shows like the ones you can buy in iTunes and such but probably one and another x264 in matroska container as well. Now I'm not thinking much of playback over HDMI but rather on the screen (which is 1280x800 so 720p would be perfect for that screen). Would be nice to be able to put some movies in 720p on a bunch i 32GB MicroSD cards to watch on flights, train-rides and such (I frequently travel 3-6 hours and watching movies on the cell phone is horrible, laptop works if there's a table and proper space but I feel that a tabelt would be better for the purpose).
If it at least does 720p well I'll probably buy one and have until there are tablets which can handle 1080p flawlessly.
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it does 720p flawlessly ye
Pratez said:
it does 720p flawlessly ye
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Thanks for the information.
The decision is pretty hard, I previously had an iPad but hated it for several reasons. Some of them being that the screen is 4:3 & only 1024x768, your stuck with the Safari Browser which got the Safari css-sprite bug, Mail.app is useless in comparison to the Gmail app for android, especially if you're a apps user with several addresses and I get past all those with the Galaxy Tab however there are still some of the things that I didn't like which precist such as not being able to use it to watch 1080p movies on a FullHD-TV over HDMI, 10" is kinda big, it's not much smaller then my 13" MacBook Pro (8" would probably be more suitable for me), it's hard on the eyes as an e-reader and can't truly replace an E-Ink device, the usefulness of an tablet is kinda limited since an laptop is a better choice in many cases and the cellphone in most others.
I have to do some thinking (I will most likely end up buying one anyway and replace it with a smaller but specwise beefier device when "premium" 7-8" tablets who handles flawless 1080p starts popping up).
What about you who own this tablet, do you think it's worth buying one today? Is it the best tablet?
I've been looking some one the Asus Transformer Prime as well which is about the same price here but with Tegra 3, better battery life, better connectivity, keyboard dock with extra battery included. However I don't quite like that device as much, frankly the entire semi-ultrabook thing seems a bit silly especially since I've already got my 13" MacBook Pro for all the needs the keyboard-dock would fill, it doesn't look quite as good, it's wifi only (wtf!). It's a great product for all those who doesn't own a Ultrabook or similar notebook (maybe not a notebook at all) and need that but it could never replace a notebook, I already feel that the MacBook Air and Ultrabooks are to limited to replace my MacBook Pro so to replace it with a Tegra 3 semi-ultrabook would be unrealistic. Still if the Transformer Prime looked like the Galaxy Tab and had 3G it would seem like a wise choice (even if you'd throw away the keyboard dock).
If you are in the business for HD videos, go for an Archos G9. (Which will most likely get official ICS way before the GTab101, btw =/ )
They have 250gb!! models and provides flawless 1080p playback for almost any video format known to man and has a native micro HDMI port.
The 3G dongle should work with AT&T.
There's even 2 USB-Host ports!!; one full-size, one microUSB that needs a microUSB male/USB female standard adapter.
Support for USB keyboards, mice, wired LAN adapter, Hard drives.. name it.
If you're into videos more than games, it is THE way to go.
Some try to push tablets in a direction they really aren't suited to go and for some of us it's hard to relate to that. It seems that you have a firm grasp of the limitations and how they affect you though. If it doesn't fit you it just doesn't fit you.
To me it doesn't make much sense to put a lot of emphasis on playback of 1080p encoded video on a Galaxy Tab 10.1 since it is limited in storage space and isn't designed (AFAIK) to do USB host at the same time as HDMI out. Just copying a 2GB file onto this thing takes much longer than it would onto a USB powered external HDD so why would I load it up with a bunch of files when I could have those on a 500GB USB HDD and play them off of a Roku or something.
I do understand though that most who ask simply have a sizable library of 1080p rips already and for those folks I say tread carefully because chances are those files won't play back properly.
I love my tablet though, and carry it around nearly everywhere I go. For web browsing, scheduling, email and basic media consumption this thing is fantastic. I have a few of my son's current favorite movies on it just in case he needs a distraction (720p rips off of bluray) and I have a collection of my favorite TV shows from EZTV that I follow. Mizuu is fantastic at gathering movie and TV show data and presenting everything in an XBMC like interface.
Mizuu seems fantastic, but how can I make it find the stock I have on my NAS, for example?
Would that be possible? Using a CIFS manager, for example..
Thanks for the EZTV tip too; (who said it was tricky to find good Honeycomb apps?)
wewewi999 said:
Mizuu seems fantastic, but how can I make it find the stock I have on my NAS, for example?
Would that be possible? Using a CIFS manager, for example..
Thanks for the EZTV tip too; (who said it was tricky to find good Honeycomb apps?)
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http://mizuu.tv/suggestion/support-for-network-storage-devices/#comments
Havent tried it myself but apparently possible.
Hultner said:
I've already got an Sandy Bridge HTPC for stationary media playback. To be perfectly honest I would probably not use it that much on my own tv but when I'm over at friends, etc.
Does it do 720p well at least? Thinking mainly of h.264 TV-Shows like the ones you can buy in iTunes and such but probably one and another x264 in matroska container as well. Now I'm not thinking much of playback over HDMI but rather on the screen (which is 1280x800 so 720p would be perfect for that screen). Would be nice to be able to put some movies in 720p on a bunch i 32GB MicroSD cards to watch on flights, train-rides and such (I frequently travel 3-6 hours and watching movies on the cell phone is horrible, laptop works if there's a table and proper space but I feel that a tabelt would be better for the purpose).
If it at least does 720p well I'll probably buy one and have until there are tablets which can handle 1080p flawlessly.
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I'm not sure if anyone else pointed this out, but the GT10 doesn't have an SD slot (or microsd). There is a dongle for USB-host, probably would take a flash drive (or microsd in a USB reader) but as far as I'm concerned it sort of ruins the whole purpose of a tablet to have things hanging off of it (just my opinion). If you need more storage you should stream wirelessly (I never put media on the tab; google music, grooveshark, netflix, and allshare FTW!). Otherwise, go with something that has a bigger HDD or built-in SD reader (or just put up with either lower-res or less movies). The Archos isn't a bad suggestion for your purposes. As far as I understand, that thing is made for media. Of course, it's not as nice as the GT10 as a tablet (none of them are, including the transformer prime), but if you just want something for movies on an airplane, might make more sense.
Oh I didn't realise that it doesn't have an SD-Slot, thanks for pointing it out. That's kinda a dealbreaker for me. It's not a big deal normally as I stream most my media via Plex and music via Spotify but streaming is worthless both on trains and airplanes, even if they sometimes do got WIFI the speed is always closer to dial-up then broadband and useless for media streaming, even surfing the web is usually horrible.
Ok I tried to cram the relevent information into the title, so people with the right advice might be able to help me out!
I am curently on an original iPad, that i have had for a couple years now. Now that xmas is coming up, I have been considering finally getting an upgrade, as this seems an oppurtune time!!
I mainly use my ipad for two things, reading on the kindle app, and drawing picture using a vector graphics program called iDraw (though I also have used sketchbook pro and artrage, etc, but lately vector graphics have been better for me).
I rarely (if ever) play games on the tablet (I have a wide array of consoles for gaming), and I watch movies on my laptop most of the time, although being able to output hi-def movies onto the big-screen tv would be handy on occasion.
I have looked into an android app called "infinite design" which seems to be exactly what I would need as far as drawing goes, so that fills the "artistry" niche for the time being. And it seems I can ignore the kindle apps (which I know both tablets have access to).
So I am stuck deciding between these two rather nice tablets. My personal pro's and con's being:
-iPad build quality and reliablity has already been proven, the nexus ... I've heard some faults like light leakage, which would be an absolute deal breaker considering what I use it for. Are the nexus faults an exception more than the rule?
-Android has much more interesting things to play with. I especially liked the idea of the "floating" apps, like LilypadHD and the app that allows a video to run in the foreground while you are using the webbrowser or similar ("Stick it!"? i think it was called). However, can the nexus 10 run these floating apps alongside other programs without causing lag issues and crashing?
-which reminds me that I also heard of some software crashes/freezes/reboots on nexus10s, although I have had a few of those on the iPad as well so this isnt a dealbreaker, as long as it gets fixed with firmware...
So yeh, any help or advice would be good guys just to let you know, I jailbroke the iPad as soon as I bought it before, and will likely jailbreak the new one if I get it, so this could be taken into consideration. Although if necessary I could also root the nexus, if there is an advantage to it. I have a galaxy s2 phone, but I never saw the need to root it (i did jailbreak my old iphone though).
ps. another thought, any advantage to having both an android phone and tablet? eg. connectivity etc? just occured to me it might help swing the decision, who knows!
Thanks anyway, to anyone who actually read all this
In regards to the art usage: the iPad 4's screen has better color reproduction (95% sRGB color gamut and 65% Adobe RGB gamut according to Anandtech).
Also as far as I know the Note 10.1's digitiser supports pressure sensitivity, which might be a bonus for you, so that might be worthy of consideration as well. However there is a stylus for the iPad which 'enables' pressure sensitivity by sending pressure data to specially optimised apps (Sketchbook included) through bluetooth, though I'm not sure how accurate that is.
Edit: The stylus is the Jot Touch.
okay like already mentioned:
i think the best for you would be the note 10.1, it has exactly the things which you need it to do. The stylus is perfect for artists as the feeling is almost like a real pen/brush etc.. btw it has wacom technology included (with the stylus) if u know what that is, then u know how superior that is to stylis mimicing pens on the ipad and other devices.
Yeh, I considered the note. Problem was, it didn't really wow me. Ignoring the whole touchwiz and other Samsung bloat ware id have to remove somehow, it's the same price as a nexus 10 but with less power and a worse screen.
The only advantage is the pressure sensitivity, but as I mostly work using vectors I don't really need this. I currently use a box wave stylus on my iPad, and will use similar in future I'm sure.
It seems the note will become obsolete quicker than the nexus, if only because I expect the nexus will continue getting support for longer. I might be wrong. Is a note 10.1-2 coming out?
I wasn't aware the ipad4 screen gave the best colour accuracy, that's pretty important to know thanks. Lots to think about
nirurin said:
Ok I tried to cram the relevent information into the title, so people with the right advice might be able to help me out!
I am curently on an original iPad, that i have had for a couple years now. Now that xmas is coming up, I have been considering finally getting an upgrade, as this seems an oppurtune time!!
I mainly use my ipad for two things, reading on the kindle app, and drawing picture using a vector graphics program called iDraw (though I also have used sketchbook pro and artrage, etc, but lately vector graphics have been better for me).
I rarely (if ever) play games on the tablet (I have a wide array of consoles for gaming), and I watch movies on my laptop most of the time, although being able to output hi-def movies onto the big-screen tv would be handy on occasion.
I have looked into an android app called "infinite design" which seems to be exactly what I would need as far as drawing goes, so that fills the "artistry" niche for the time being. And it seems I can ignore the kindle apps (which I know both tablets have access to).
So I am stuck deciding between these two rather nice tablets. My personal pro's and con's being:
-iPad build quality and reliablity has already been proven, the nexus ... I've heard some faults like light leakage, which would be an absolute deal breaker considering what I use it for. Are the nexus faults an exception more than the rule?
-Android has much more interesting things to play with. I especially liked the idea of the "floating" apps, like LilypadHD and the app that allows a video to run in the foreground while you are using the webbrowser or similar ("Stick it!"? i think it was called). However, can the nexus 10 run these floating apps alongside other programs without causing lag issues and crashing?
-which reminds me that I also heard of some software crashes/freezes/reboots on nexus10s, although I have had a few of those on the iPad as well so this isnt a dealbreaker, as long as it gets fixed with firmware...
So yeh, any help or advice would be good guys just to let you know, I jailbroke the iPad as soon as I bought it before, and will likely jailbreak the new one if I get it, so this could be taken into consideration. Although if necessary I could also root the nexus, if there is an advantage to it. I have a galaxy s2 phone, but I never saw the need to root it (i did jailbreak my old iphone though).
ps. another thought, any advantage to having both an android phone and tablet? eg. connectivity etc? just occured to me it might help swing the decision, who knows!
Thanks anyway, to anyone who actually read all this
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simple and straight forward advise, NOTE 10.1! dont even think of getting iPad 4 or Nexus 10! because NO, NO tablet on the Market can compete Note 10.1 in terms of sensitivity of S Pen!
(and btw, i own note 10.1 and Nexus 10)
bee55 said:
In regards to the art usage: the iPad 4's screen has better color reproduction (95% sRGB color gamut and 65% Adobe RGB gamut according to Anandtech).
Also as far as I know the Note 10.1's digitiser supports pressure sensitivity, which might be a bonus for you, so that might be worthy of consideration as well. However there is a stylus for the iPad which 'enables' pressure sensitivity by sending pressure data to specially optimised apps (Sketchbook included) through bluetooth, though I'm not sure how accurate that is.
Edit: The stylus is the Jot Touch.
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iPad3 and 4 use a Samsung display so no need to hype it. The Samsung Nexus 10 display is the same quality or better and higher resolution.
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nirurin said:
Yeh, I considered the note. Problem was, it didn't really wow me. Ignoring the whole touchwiz and other Samsung bloat ware id have to remove somehow, it's the same price as a nexus 10 but with less power and a worse screen.
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Don't underestimate the Note 10.1. It's powerful and while the screen is lower resolution I prefer the colors, black level, white, uniformity, etc. over the Nexus 10. I own both.
Of the the three you mentioned, it's no contest.
#1 Galaxy Note 10.1
#2 Nexus 10
They have 2GB DRAM to run more capable paint programs such as TVPaint. Check out the full beta demo.
iPad4 is not even a consideration with only 1GB where you're limited to toyish Paper like apps and no proper Wacom digitizer pen.
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Yeh, I considered the note. Problem was, it didn't really wow me. Ignoring the whole touchwiz and other Samsung bloat ware id have to remove somehow, it's the same price as a nexus 10 but with less power and a worse screen.
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The Note 10.1 on stock JB is plenty fast. It's the only tablet on the market with an inductive (vs. capacitive) display which is crucial to drawing. It's got a Wacom digitizer with 1024 levels of pressure sensitivity and palm rejection. It also has an optional drawing pen with an eraser built in to it. The display on the Note is quite good in terms of brightness, contrast and color reproduction. The only thing lacking is PPI. Two advantages of the lower-res display are app compatibility (do you know the drawing programs you want to use even work on the N10?) and far better battery life. And some of that "bloatware" is quite useful like multiview, S-Note, AllShare Play and Cast, and Color Picker which lets you pick a pen color from a photo and Pen Chooser which lets you toggle between different pens you've set without opening settings each time. You're the first person I've seen who needs a pen to dis the Note. For someone who could care less about the pen and the Note's additional features the N10 is a better value.
There are tons of artists using the Note. Here's a thread you might find interesting.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1861201
BarryH_GEG said:
The Note 10.1 on stock JB is plenty fast. It's the only tablet on the market with an inductive (vs. capacitive) display which is crucial to drawing. It's got a Wacom digitizer with 1024 levels of pressure sensitivity and palm rejection. It also has an optional drawing pen with an eraser built in to it. The display on the Note is quite good in terms of brightness, contrast and color reproduction. The only thing lacking is PPI. Two advantages of the lower-res display are app compatibility (do you know the drawing programs you want to use even work on the N10?) and far better battery life. And some of that "bloatware" is quite useful like multiview, S-Note, AllShare Play and Cast, and Color Picker which lets you pick a pen color from a photo and Pen Chooser which lets you toggle between different pens you've set without opening settings each time. You're the first person I've seen who needs a pen to dis the Note. For someone who could care less about the pen and the Note's additional features the N10 is a better value.
There are tons of artists using the Note. Here's a thread you might find interesting.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1861201
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Ok in hindsight, I may have been quick to write-off the note10, at the time of posting I was on a break at work and rather tired haha. One of the reasons I was thinking of avoiding the note was its age... I thought it had been released long enough ago that it would be soon due an update. However, I just checked... and it only came out mid-august... so I think I must have been thinking of the note phones.
Even though I currently do not use pressure sensitivity at all... this doesn't mean it wouldnt be a good idea for me to start incorporating it, I dont want to get stuck in my ways or anything!!
In which case, does the note10 have the power and ability to multi-task floating apps (chat and/or videos) while running drawing programs? If so... I may have to look into places that are doing deals on the note. As of my last look, it was selling for the same price as the nexus10, which is why I thought the nexus was the better "bang for the buck"...
The reason I'm looking at new powerful devices is because I want this to be future-proofed against anything I might need it for for the next couple of years (the same amount of time my trusty ipad1 lasted me). I figured I was safe with the nexus, because of the custom ROMS that would be made for it, with it being the main tablet release of the season.
edit: turns out that, while both the basic Note and the basic Nexus are retailing at £319, I am possibly able to get the note for £279... which means a decent case and any cable accessories are essentially "free"... Which is a big plus.
I need to find some information on the quality of the screen, as it is relatively very low resolution compared to the competition.. barely more than my original iPad1 in fact?
edit 2: unfortunatly, I can only get it in white for that price lol. Shame.
edit 3: hmm... Seems I can also get a white note 10.1 for £253, as long as I also buy a case with it (which I always intended to anyway)... so this seems a bargain as long as they sell a decent case... the white ones must look horrible though, if its the only ones anyone is selling off cheap!!
If you can wait a good half year I'm sure a 2560*1600 Note will come out, hopefully around 12", which would be the perfect buy, but personally I just can't wait to get my hands on the Nexus 10. If drawing is important, go for the Note, there's no real alternative.
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If you can wait a good half year I'm sure a 2560*1600 Note will come out, hopefully around 12", which would be the perfect buy, but personally I just can't wait to get my hands on the Nexus 10. If drawing is important, go for the Note, there's no real alternative.
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This is true, though money is also a factor, and I have now found a "grey" (least its not bright white, though I may have to check it out in store sometime) note 10.1 for £268. Which isn't bad.
Its just whether I would rather spend £50 more, and get nexus. A screen thats got twice the resolution, and a significantly faster processor, would mean being safely future proofed. I'll have to decide just how much the pressure-sensitivity is worth to me..
As someone else mentioning in above, if drawing with pen is important factor for you, I believe neither Nexus 10 or iPad 4 may be the best answer. I am not familiar with drawing but Vector drawing may not require high accuracy/pen-paper feeling, if so I believe Nexus 10 or iPad 4 be great as they have phenomenal screen resolution to display your art.
Otherwise, two options:
1. Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1
It has inductive pen technology i.e. you can get the feeling of pen and paper. Downside is screen resolution. Though coming from original iPad, you will unlikely to notice the screen resolution difference. So it may be ok. Otherwise, very stable and speedy device.
2. Samsung Ativ Smart PC
This is Windows 8 Atom processor based tablet. It comes with Wacom stylus, runs real windows 8 i.e. you should be able to run most of windows native software, and if you like you can buy optional keyboard to make it to like real laptop. The downside with this is price - expensive even considering 64GB internal storage. Windows 8 is great for legacy program, but tablet wise still lacking application. Screen resolution is essentially same as Galaxy Note 10.1 i.e. not the level of Nexus 10 or iPad 4.
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As someone else mentioning in above, if drawing with pen is important factor for you, I believe neither Nexus 10 or iPad 4 may be the best answer. I am not familiar with drawing but Vector drawing may not require high accuracy/pen-paper feeling, if so I believe Nexus 10 or iPad 4 be great as they have phenomenal screen resolution to display your art.
Otherwise, two options:
1. Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1
It has inductive pen technology i.e. you can get the feeling of pen and paper. Downside is screen resolution. Though coming from original iPad, you will unlikely to notice the screen resolution difference. So it may be ok. Otherwise, very stable and speedy device.
2. Samsung Ativ Smart PC
This is Windows 8 Atom processor based tablet. It comes with Wacom stylus, runs real windows 8 i.e. you should be able to run most of windows native software, and if you like you can buy optional keyboard to make it to like real laptop. The downside with this is price - expensive even considering 64GB internal storage. Windows 8 is great for legacy program, but tablet wise still lacking application. Screen resolution is essentially same as Galaxy Note 10.1 i.e. not the level of Nexus 10 or iPad 4.
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Thanks for the idea, but the Ativ is way too expensive, pretty much 3x the cost of the Note. I am but a poor boy, from a poor family... (insert head banging music here)...
I use vectors because it makes it easier to resize and edit work afterwords (compared to bitmap images). The reason the pen doesnt matter for the iPad, is because you can use a "Pen" tool, essentially dragging and dropping and editing lines, without directly drawing them. This is accurate, though a little time consuming, though because of the constant zooming in-and-out that you need to do for fine detail work it works out for the best.
Having the S-Pen is not a selling point to me exactly... but if it works well, and I learn to use it, it can only improve my overall work... and that would make it worth the money in itself.
One issue with capacitive screens was the accuracy, as even stylus' need to be around fingertip-size in order to register. If the S-Pen is much more "pointy" (i will need to investigate this) then it would immediately be helpful... much less zooming in and out to get accurate lines...
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Thanks for the idea, but the Ativ is way too expensive, pretty much 3x the cost of the Note. I am but a poor boy, from a poor family... (insert head banging music here)...
I use vectors because it makes it easier to resize and edit work afterwords (compared to bitmap images). The reason the pen doesnt matter for the iPad, is because you can use a "Pen" tool, essentially dragging and dropping and editing lines, without directly drawing them. This is accurate, though a little time consuming, though because of the constant zooming in-and-out that you need to do for fine detail work it works out for the best.
Having the S-Pen is not a selling point to me exactly... but if it works well, and I learn to use it, it can only improve my overall work... and that would make it worth the money in itself.
One issue with capacitive screens was the accuracy, as even stylus' need to be around fingertip-size in order to register. If the S-Pen is much more "pointy" (i will need to investigate this) then it would immediately be helpful... much less zooming in and out to get accurate lines...
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3x price is Ativ Smart Pro. I am talking about Ativ PC, which is Atom processor not i5. It is 649 without keyboard dock. Cons against Pro is inferior CPU/GPU, no Full HD screen, 2GB memory instead of 4GB. However, it has its benefit which are long battery life, relatively light weight.
But if you don't need Spen/Wacom, I think you can't go wrong with either Nexus 10 or iPad 4. It's really depends on what ecosystem you like. If you really have very specific task/goal you like to achieve, and it already works well on iOS platform, I say stick with it as it saves you money if you already own apps for it.
Personally, I needed more flexibility than iOS so went to Android. Now I saw even more flexibility option available i.e. real windows, so I jumped on it.
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3x price is Ativ Smart Pro. I am talking about Ativ PC, which is Atom processor not i5. It is 649 without keyboard dock. Cons against Pro is inferior CPU/GPU, no Full HD screen, 2GB memory instead of 4GB. However, it has its benefit which are long battery life, relatively light weight.
But if you don't need Spen/Wacom, I think you can't go wrong with either Nexus 10 or iPad 4. It's really depends on what ecosystem you like. If you really have very specific task/goal you like to achieve, and it already works well on iOS platform, I say stick with it as it saves you money if you already own apps for it.
Personally, I needed more flexibility than iOS so went to Android. Now I saw even more flexibility option available i.e. real windows, so I jumped on it.
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Well £649 is still more than double the Note10.1 price (I can get it for £268 at the moment), and I already have a very nice laptop for the high-end stuff
I bought the iPAd back when I had an iphone3GS. Now though, I have a GalaxyS2... so it almost seems fitting to try out an android tablet. And the multi-windows support and dual-view on the Note looks much more interesting than the same-old iOS stuff that I'm already used to. Even jailbroken, theres only so much you can do with an iPad (I should know, ive done it already!)
As long as the android tablets arent inherantly broken in some way (I keep hearing about issues with light leakages and stuff on the nexus, but might just be from a bad batch), I am more tempted by the android side of things. There might be less apps at the moment, but it will catch up soon enough, and the ability to play around with widgets etc makes it seem more interesting as a day-to-day tool.
True, I will be losing out on... maybe £20-£30 of apps from the apple store. But some of those were bought months ago, and in the scheme of things its not much of a big deal. If I ever go back to an iPad 5 or 6 in the future, they will still be there for me (I assume).
edit: didnt finish my point. If the androids are both well built ect, it seems I will go for one of them. And because of the price, the multi-view, and the potential benefit of the SPen, the Note is currently edging ahead slightly.
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Well £649 is still more than double the Note10.1 price (I can get it for £268 at the moment), and I already have a very nice laptop for the high-end stuff
I bought the iPAd back when I had an iphone3GS. Now though, I have a GalaxyS2... so it almost seems fitting to try out an android tablet. And the multi-windows support and dual-view on the Note looks much more interesting than the same-old iOS stuff that I'm already used to. Even jailbroken, theres only so much you can do with an iPad (I should know, ive done it already!)
As long as the android tablets arent inherantly broken in some way (I keep hearing about issues with light leakages and stuff on the nexus, but might just be from a bad batch), I am more tempted by the android side of things. There might be less apps at the moment, but it will catch up soon enough, and the ability to play around with widgets etc makes it seem more interesting as a day-to-day tool.
True, I will be losing out on... maybe £20-£30 of apps from the apple store. But some of those were bought months ago, and in the scheme of things its not much of a big deal. If I ever go back to an iPad 5 or 6 in the future, they will still be there for me (I assume).
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Well sounds like your mind is set to Android ecosystem, which is great. I personally love it. Multiwindow support of Galaxy Note 10.1 is great concept but just to warn you. It is not true multitasking i.e. if you think about doing your Vector thing, or even play game and browse, that won't work. Simply because Multitasking on Note 10.1 is limited to selected applications which are browser, S-note, Video, email etc. But not every apps. But considering hardware limitation and 10.1 inch screen, I think it's reasonable to have selected app to be supported. Personally, the biggest sales point of Note 10.1 was its stability, speed, and S-pen.
If you need true multitasking, you need Windows Tablet, but if you are from iPad I am certain it is not your top priority. By the way, I don't know Euro. But Ativ Smart PC 64GB sells $649 here in US and Galaxy Note 10.1 32GB sells for $499 thus total price difference is US$150. Again whether the cost difference is worth or not depends on your use.
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iPad3 and 4 use a Samsung display so no need to hype it. The Samsung Nexus 10 display is the same quality or better and higher resolution.
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Don't underestimate the Note 10.1. It's powerful and while the screen is lower resolution I prefer the colors, black level, white, uniformity, etc. over the Nexus 10. I own both.
Of the the three you mentioned, it's no contest.
#1 Galaxy Note 10.1
#2 Nexus 10
They have 2GB DRAM to run more capable paint programs such as TVPaint. Check out the full beta demo.
iPad4 is not even a consideration with only 1GB where you're limited to toyish Paper like apps and no proper Wacom digitizer pen.
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As I'm sure you are aware, we weren't talking about who manufactured the displays, but rather about their quality. If you take your time to watch or read any review which compares the iPad 4's display to the N10's one, you will see that the iPad's color reproduction is visibly better. Now also while RAM might matter in the comparison of Android devices, the iPad runs a quite different OS and I'm pretty sure the 'only' 1GB RAM wouldn't be a bottleneck for these apps; it would probably be memory bandwidth and CPU power.
This said I have just placed my order on a Nexus 10 and I strongly prefer Android to iOS, yet I have to admit that the iPad has it's strengths as well (I've actually been considering getting an iPad 4 instead of the N10 because of the superior app selection, but as I love my SGS3 and Android itself I've decided to get the N10 and just hope that more tablet apps will start to appear for Android).
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Well sounds like your mind is set to Android ecosystem, which is great. I personally love it. Multiwindow support of Galaxy Note 10.1 is great concept but just to warn you. It is not true multitasking i.e. if you think about doing your Vector thing, or even play game and browse, that won't work. Simply because Multitasking on Note 10.1 is limited to selected applications which are browser, S-note, Video, email etc. But not every apps. But considering hardware limitation and 10.1 inch screen, I think it's reasonable to have selected app to be supported. Personally, the biggest sales point of Note 10.1 was its stability, speed, and S-pen.
If you need true multitasking, you need Windows Tablet, but if you are from iPad I am certain it is not your top priority. By the way, I don't know Euro. But Ativ Smart PC 64GB sells $649 here in US and Galaxy Note 10.1 32GB sells for $499 thus total price difference is US$150. Again whether the cost difference is worth or not depends on your use.
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The cheapest I can find in the UK (on google anyway), ignoring eBay, is over £600. Not sure why this would be.
There is a thread on the Note forum where someone has made it possible to add the multi-window support to a lot of other apps by altering their .apk, in a fairly easy process. Probably wont work with every app, but still. Anyway, while I'm drawing the most I would want is a chat app running, and I believe LilypadHD does that as a floating app anyway? (though this works on the Nexus as well, no need for a Note for it.)
I dont plan to be playing games much anyway, if at all.
It seems the note has a fair few nice apps that samsung has put on it, and the pen itself of course. The only reason im still umming and ahhing is the Nexus; sexy high def screen and powerhouse of a processor.
Although if I'm not going to use it to its potential (eg gaming, i guess) then maybe its a waste.
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The cheapest I can find in the UK (on google anyway), ignoring eBay, is over £600. Not sure why this would be.
There is a thread on the Note forum where someone has made it possible to add the multi-window support to a lot of other apps by altering their .apk, in a fairly easy process. Probably wont work with every app, but still. Anyway, while I'm drawing the most I would want is a chat app running, and I believe LilypadHD does that as a floating app anyway? (though this works on the Nexus as well, no need for a Note for it.)
I dont plan to be playing games much anyway, if at all.
It seems the note has a fair few nice apps that samsung has put on it, and the pen itself of course. The only reason im still umming and ahhing is the Nexus; sexy high def screen and powerhouse of a processor.
Although if I'm not going to use it to its potential (eg gaming, i guess) then maybe its a waste.
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Wow $600 for Ativ Smart PC is definitely a lot... Wonder if the price is raised from retail due to short supply. In any event, Note 10.1 is phenomenal device. Nexus 10 is great device as well and I seriously put a thought onto it before. It is great but at the same time unfortunate that in this era of tablet, there are so many options yet no system is perfect/completely superior to others. Nexus 10 IS unfortunately not my choice (note it is present tense as may change in the future) because of lack of microSD, keyboard dock, and Wacom digitizer. I had to return Note 10.1 only because of lack of screen resolution, which I did not notice if I went straight from iPad 2 to Note 10.1. But I had Infinity in between so Full HD resolution was just too hard to give it up.
If you don't play game, the time you will notice the difference in resolution is reading text e.g. kindle, browser etc. The text is just so much more crisp. You just really need to list the features that you want, and the purpose of the tablet you are using for. Because you will unavoidably have to make a comprise to one or two features. In my case with Ativ Smart PC, I am compromising screen resolution, and some tablet optimized application availability. I'm looking forward to Surface Pro, but even with it I am compromising battery life, and weight.... Good luck on your search.
Note 10.1 please don't east your time with the others they don't have a digitizer surface for wacom pressure sensative pens.
And the Res does not matter because you will zoom in and out. I own a wacom tablet and it nothing like my nexus 10 for sketching.
The only pen option you have for I pad and nexus is the go smart stylus has a spring ed tip
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Of the the three you mentioned, it's no contest.
#1 Galaxy Note 10.1
#2 Nexus 10
They have 2GB DRAM to run more capable paint programs such as TVPaint. Check out the full beta demo.
iPad4 is not even a consideration with only 1GB where you're limited to toyish Paper like apps and no proper Wacom digitizer pen.
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Hello guys,
I have a nexus 10 and like it, but for painting/drawing, imo it is crap compared to an ipad.
Try signing your name as quickly as you normally would. You will hardly be able to recognise your handwriting. The nexus 10 samples the stylus position way too infrequently, and the "tweening" that takes place, drastically smooths out the direction of your stylus strokes.
Ive tried Sketchpad, Infinite Paint, Gnotes, other painting tools, and they all suffer the same problem.
My SGS3 is a LOT better as is my wife's i****e 4s.
David Hockey created huge wall murals for his amazing exhibition at the Royal Academy of Art this year. They were done on an ipad... so at the moment, I would say iPad is superior for painting. Nexus 10 is crap and I have no experience of the tweening problem on the Note 10.1.
Mark.
So I got the Nexus 10 (sold iPad 3 to get it) and I am impressed with it. The screen is amazing, I have good battery life, and excellent performance.
However, streaming Netflix is not as crisp, the lack of tablet optimized apps is annoying, and reading is kind of awkward. I don't like landscape reading and portrait mode is too tall.
It seems like the huge resolution is ahead of it's time and I am sure it's just a matter of waiting for apps to catch up.
These are a few things that have been bothering me lately with this tablet.
Anyone else have these thoughts or know how to get passed the early adoption period? I am debating whether or not to sell it and get the Nexus 7. Seems like a reasonable (more universal) screen resolution with plenty of power. Also, seems like a good size for reading and web surfing.
Thanks.
UPDATE: Thanks for all of the feedback.
After writing this post, I found some awesome review videos from YouTuber "oode". After watching those, I spent some time tweaking and getting my n10 set up. It helped me realize what a rad tablet we have in the n10.
I still have a few annoyances to figure out with movies (best player to use and rip settings), HD Netflix streaming, and better battery life tips. I am sure more Googling and XDA searching will help answer these.
Before you sell it and get a Nexus 7, see if anyone you know has one and try it out. It would suck for you to sell the 10, get a 7 and find out you regret it. This is my second 10 inch tab, and at first it can see overwhelming, especially with the 10's resolution, but just keep playing with it. It will grow on you. Before long you will have no issues reading in portrait mode. For me its like reading a hard cover book without the weight and thickness. I hope you grow to like, and as for apps, I dealt with that with my last tablet.....not to many tablet optimized apps, and now I am seeing it again. Not a deal breaker for me. I would rather have apps playing catch up then my tablet be out dated in a month. Just my opinions.
Don't get a Nexus 7. The screen isn't very good and screen lift.
I just got mine today and well i can say i am really impressed with it , and i love it. I know there are not many apps optimized for the tab but yeah its not that bad for me. Also My netflix streaming is awesome, whats happening to yours ?
If you feel the screen is too big try using a 15 inch laptop for a while which will put the Nexus 10 inch screen with it's higher screen resolution in/to perspecive.
I have not touched my laptop since getting the Nexus 10 which was not the case with my Galaxy tab 7.7 inch screen which I have sold.
I find, just like my laptop, that I don't need any apps for using the Web and there are plenty of stand alone apps for navigation, music, office, games etc.
I hold the Nexus 10 in landscape like a laptop for viewing videos and web sites with a lot of full width detail so that I don't need to zoom, otherwise I use portrait.
Think twice before selling the Nexus 10 for it is the only tablet which gives a high definition Netbook performance in an even more portable format.
Try the Ocean browser too for it makes Web browsing on the Nexus 10 very fast and it supports Flash too.
I feel the same way OP. I had a nexus 7 and I loved it. Netflix and video media on the nexus 10 is a turn down. The screen is amazing but I sold my nexus 7 for a better media viewing experiece. The watching of media or movies isn't good at all on the Nexus 10.
I'm also debating of keeping or returning.
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I feel the same way OP. I had a nexus 7 and I loved it. Netflix and video media on the nexus 10 is a turn down. The screen is amazing but I sold my nexus 7 to watch media and read. The watching of media or movies isn't good at all.
I'm also debating of keeping or returning.
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I don't see the problem with Netflix. Seriously. Plays fine and looks as good as it can considering Netflix streams at 720p at best.
Don't see the issue with any other media either. There are issues with codecs but that's a problem with the Nexus7 as well, just comes with the AOSP territory.
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I don't see the problem with Netflix. Seriously. Plays fine and looks as good as it can considering Netflix streams at 720p at best.
Don't see the issue with any other media either. There are issues with codecs but that's a problem with the Nexus7 as well, just comes with the AOSP territory.
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Same here i cant find the problem with netflix, mine looks great. As good as it gets i can say.
Netflix video and audio don't match on my tablet. Also, Frames skips after a while.
Is my tablet defective??
Can you guys try a few movies and let me know.
Thanks.
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I feel the same way OP. I'm on my second one after returning the first for light bleed, go figure this ones worse. I like the size it just doesn't have the performance I was expecting. Yeah its got a huge rez, but my N4 feels 10x more fluid than the N10. Even just basic stuff like swiping to another screen feels better on the N4. IMO the android experience is just a lot better on the N4, which I find myself using even when I have the N10 sitting next to me.
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I did a factory restore a few hours ago wanting to return the Nexus, I reinstalled Netflix right now and it is running good. That's strange. I'm also not getting any WiFi drops like I was getting before. I'm going to keep an eye on this.
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have u any chance checked mark force gpu rendering before
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Don't get a Nexus 7. The screen isn't very good and screen lift.
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Did you get tired typing so much information about your conclusion? And you must be very well placed in the tech community to pass judgement on a device that SOLD, not shipped, sold, one million units last month alone. Screen lift? Seriously? that is so last month's news.
But thanks for your 8 word review of the N7.
Apples to Apples the N10 is the better hardware platform. No question. It has both a front and rear facing camera. Has a display that might rival the retina display on the iPad, etc.
Get the N7 if you want a tab that will fit in a jacket or back pocket, can be held in one hand and can be bought for under $300. It really comes down to size, and your intended use. The N7 is not for bragging rights. It's for having a pure Google device in the same price you can get a Kindle or Nook for.
I'm here to read about how the new 10's see what problems they might be having, etc. But I am VERY happy with my N7 and take it everywhere with me. When I get the N10 I'll be keeping the N7.
Im not bummed out, this tab is 100x better than the ipad
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have u any chance checked mark force gpu rendering before
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Whats wrong with checking that?
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Did you get tired typing so much information about your conclusion? And you must be very well placed in the tech community to pass judgement on a device that SOLD, not shipped, sold, one million units last month alone. Screen lift? Seriously? that is so last month's news.
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Well, my own anecdotal Nexus 7 experience is that I account for FIVE of the devices. 4 16gb units and 1 32gb. Every single one of them had a major defect, including my current 32gb.
First one had a bad USB connector as well as major light bleed, but never had time to develop the screen lift issue because it was on the way back to Asus in a matter of hours.
Second one had astoundingly bad light bleed in 8 places, once again sent back before the screen had time to lift.
Third one had modest light bleed, but creaked, and within a week the screen lifted an epic amount. I was worried I might slice my hand.
The fourth also had bad light bleed, came shipped with a broken tab on the back cover so there was always a gap on the left side, and (wait for it) the screen was doing an epic lift. Still waiting on its replacement to come back from Asus.
And my final and current model is an October production 32gb that seemed pretty good at first, almost no light bleed and the least washed-out looking display of the bunch. And within two days the screen was lifting.
Now, I only purchased 2, my first 16gb and my current 32gb, both at retail stores. I should also note that it cost me $80 so far in RMA shipping.
I like the form factor for some things, mostly books and surfing on the throne. I'm satisfied with the performance, and not unhappy with the purchase price. It does what it does pretty well. But it's built like a 80's Hyundai.
Love the N10, playing full encoded BD 720p movies with no problems. Haven't tested the 1080p BD encodes yet.
Netflix runs great, Slingplayer runs good.
My N7 goes everywhere with me. It has no issues and was a first run batch.. light bleed? who knows, i dont put mine in a pure black enviorment with max brightness just to find a problem. IMO once it's reported a few times, some poeple go out of thier way to find fault.
I agree the N10 gonna take some time to get used to to read on. But playing games on is fun....
Both great products and excellant build IMO
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Whats wrong with checking that?
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It either increases performance or causes stuff to break (well, I guess it could also do both ). It's worth checking out if you haven't though.
As for being bummed out; meh, I sold my Nexus 7 for a Nexus 10 because of the specs. A15 ARM processor, Mali-T604 GPU, 2560x1600 resolution, that just destroyed the Nexus 7's specs. It seems the Nexus 10 can run hot enough after a long enough period of load to throttle the CPU frequency lower, which is a slight concern. Nexus 4 also does this, but I'm not entirely sure if such a thing occurs on the Nexus 7 or not.
My main interest in getting a Nexus 10 was gaming. However, when playing DEAD TRIGGER and SHADOWGUN: DeadZone, I feel that the N10's size is a bit... too much. Getting a controller should easily solve this little problem though
But in any case, the Nexus 10 also has HDMI-out, rear-facing camera, 5GHz WiFi support, LED light notification, better front-facing camera, and front-facing speakers. Nexus 7 doesn't have any of that (unless something changed with the newer models).
No issues with Netflix for newer videos, older stuff doesn't look great on anything. Videos I'm streaming from PC look awesome and I just use a Nook touch for my reading, need eink for that. Yea some apps don't look as great as they could, but nothing as bad as an iPhone app on the iPad.
I think a lot of my thoughts and feelings stem from just coming from an iPad with thousands of tablet optimized apps, down to less than 100 on the n10. When it comes down to it, I use my tablet primarily for reading, web browsing, videos (YouTube, Netflix and Movies), taking notes, and very light gaming. I don't use that many apps on my tablet. However, I have a lot of apps on my gNexus since it has an internet connection 24/7. The only reason I use my laptop is when I want to do some real PC gaming.
After writing this post, I found some awesome review videos from YouTuber "oode". After watching those, I spent some time tweaking and getting my n10 set up. It helped me realize what a rad tablet we have in the n10.
I still have a few annoyances to figure out with movies (best player to use and rip settings), HD Netflix streaming, and better battery life tips. I am sure more Googling and XDA searching will help answer these.
Thanks for all of the feedback!
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UPDATE: Thanks for all of the feedback.
After writing this post, I found some awesome review videos from YouTuber "oode". After watching those, I spent some time tweaking and getting my n10 set up. It helped me realize what a rad tablet we have in the n10.
I still have a few annoyances to figure out with movies (best player to use and rip settings), HD Netflix streaming, and better battery life tips. I am sure more Googling and XDA searching will help answer these.
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Oode's reviews are the main reason why I bought my Nexus 10! After seeing his enthusiasm for the tablet I was sold. Google need to cut that dude a cheque.