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How high do you think we can clock the processors on the EVO 3D? I recall they are 1.5 ghz chips underclocked to conserve battery life. Think these can hit that magical 2.0? Or at least 1.8?
I could see maybe 1.6 but honestly nothing over 1.4ghz is worth it... (batter>speed)
And nothing currently requires anything over 1.2ghz or 1.5ghz for that matter, other than peoples e-penis.
Id like to see a 1.4ghz uv kernel over 1.8ghz 1 hour battery killer but I will use and test all of them
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nate420 said:
I could see maybe 1.6 but honestly nothing over 1.4ghz is worth it... (batter>speed)
And nothing currently requires anything over 1.2ghz or 1.5ghz for that matter, other than peoples e-penis.
Id like to see a 1.4ghz uv kernel over 1.8ghz 1 hour battery killer but I will use and test all of them
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Well that's your opinion. I highly doubt a overclocking the processor to 1.8 would bring the phone down to one hour of battery life. It's not like it would be constantly running at that speed. I would prefer speed over battery life as I charge my phone every night and have plenty left over even overclocked to almost 1.3 on my EVO.
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I could see maybe 1.6 but honestly nothing over 1.4ghz is worth it... (batter>speed)
And nothing currently requires anything over 1.2ghz or 1.5ghz for that matter, other than peoples e-penis.
Id like to see a 1.4ghz uv kernel over 1.8ghz 1 hour battery killer but I will use and test all of them
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I think this is less about practicality and more about pushing our phone to the limits. overclocking on an already fast enough processor on a device which runs for the most part on battery, is not needed. however it is fun and nice to see the benchmarks soar.
I say 1.8ghz-2ghz
If they're anything like the EVO 4G, then it wont be a very high overclock
But assuming all are capable of 1.5 GHz, then it would be at least a 400-450 MHz overclock!
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If they're anything like the EVO 4G, then it wont be a very high overclock
But assuming all are capable of 1.5 GHz, then it would be at least a 400-450 MHz overclock!
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My g2x was overclocked to 1.6ghz and its only a 1ghz dual core phone...
Id say we could see maybe 1.8ghz if this phone is really 1.5 dropped down to 1.2
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fmedina2 said:
Well that's your opinion. I highly doubt a overclocking the processor to 1.8 would bring the phone down to one hour of battery life. It's not like it would be constantly running at that speed. I would prefer speed over battery life as I charge my phone every night and have plenty left over even overclocked to almost 1.3 on my EVO.
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Again for e-penis and bragging rights on benchmarks nothing more...
As for saying 1.8 oc would kill it in a hour I was joking...
And I bet dollars to donuts you don't see a change in "speed" past 1.6ghz other than a hot battery.
Ginger bread can't fully optimize dual cores it does the job but untill a new os is out
no point ruining a battery for "speed" you won't see
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While performance is key, I'd say this phone is well above the bar of expectations for most Android Apps at the current time. I'm more interested in squeezing the most battery life I possibly can via Underclocking. It will be nice to see how far this can be pushed with Two Cores to spread the workload across.
nate420 said:
I could see maybe 1.6 but honestly nothing over 1.4ghz is worth it... (batter>speed)
And nothing currently requires anything over 1.2ghz or 1.5ghz for that matter, other than peoples e-penis.
Id like to see a 1.4ghz uv kernel over 1.8ghz 1 hour battery killer but I will use and test all of them
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btw the way i have the bigest e penis lol it is googolplex inchs
why are people saying such low numbers the second gen snapdragons can go to what 1.9? if ours is 1.5 stock dropped down to 1.2 then i think we can at least hit 2
I'd bet that the chips in these phones will be those that were unstable at 1.5 ghz. That's how chip makers do these things. They make them all the same, then those with unstable silicon are sold as a lower clock speed. Not sure I'd expect over 1.5 and that might require higher voltage. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see I guess.
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I'd bet that the chips in these phones will be those that were unstable at 1.5 ghz. That's how chip makers do these things. They make them all the same, then those with unstable silicon are sold as a lower clock speed. Not sure I'd expect over 1.5 and that might require higher voltage. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see I guess.
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Wrong, to lazy to explain for now.
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Wrong.....
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toxicfumes22 said:
Wrong, to lazy to explain for now.
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OK, a little less lazy right now. But simply the way that manufactures choose the speeds for processors is actually simple. In the case of the 3D it IS underclocked. The processor is an asynchronous dual core with clock speeds initially set at 1.5 by Qualcom and is used in Qualcom's phone they produce for developers. It is underclocked by HTC because of battery problems listed from the 4G and the unnecessary need of 1.5GHz in a F*ing phone. Manufactures for the most part do not underclock the CPU. The reason it is set at the level it is, is because it is most stable, efficient and meets the heat extraction needs (People forget CPUs are just circuits and produce heat with more voltage). OK lets back this up shall we. OK.
That is why I'm too lazy to post thing, I have to search up a link cause most of this is my general knowledge. Anyways, the QSD8650 found in the EVO 4G is clocked at 1GHz and has been posted to a stable 1.3GHz I believe by a recent post. Now the MSM8660 is posted to be a 1.5GHz CPU, so its overclocking potential is more near 2GHz but I would suspect it to get a little warm(sweaty palms anyone?) and I wouldn't know how stable it would be either (I don't know phones the best). Why is it underclocked? Because people kept *****ing at how much battery the EVO used and as technology improves so does the efficiency of CPUs so they go with the most recent and just underclock it. I've seen a comparison graph somewhere by Qualcom but I spent about 10minutes looking for it and couldn't find it but it was really nifty. If someone finds it plz post it, it shows the energy vs Clock speed and it is very cool.
Anyways, to respond to whoever said that the 1.5GHz is the max and that all manufacturers underclock the CPU based upon the silicon is WRONG, wrong WrOnG and Rong/wong (Im sorry I dont remember the exact response). Anyways, its the heat extraction and the silicon hurts it because it doesn't let all the heat through, which is one of the reason your PS3 may have yellow lighted on you(Yes its because of the CPU disconnecting from the Motherboard, but why do you think this extra heat was generated?).
Sorry this is so long and I got distracted a few times while writing it so it I messed up or something doesn't make sense I apologize but being lazy is really a pain in the ass.
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I'd bet that the chips in these phones will be those that were unstable at 1.5 ghz. That's how chip makers do these things. They make them all the same, then those with unstable silicon are sold as a lower clock speed. Not sure I'd expect over 1.5 and that might require higher voltage. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see I guess.
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That would be the case if this wasn't an MSM 8660. You're thinking like when AMD makes chips for the HD 6970 and some are found not to be stable at 880 mhz so they bin it to use in the HD 6950 which runs at 800 mhz. These are actually sold as two separate products. In the case of the processor in the Evo it's an MSM 8660 which is sold by qualcomm to be run at speeds as high as 1.5 ghz. If they wanted to sell chips binned for lower speeds they'd have to sell it as a different model since it wouldn't be capable of the 1.5hz.
jersey221 said:
why are people saying such low numbers the second gen snapdragons can go to what 1.9? if ours is 1.5 stock dropped down to 1.2 then i think we can at least hit 2
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1.9?
No sir it was 1.19stable...
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That would be the case if this wasn't an MSM 8660. You're thinking like when AMD makes chips for the HD 6970 and some are found not to be stable at 880 mhz so they bin it to use in the HD 6950 which runs at 800 mhz. These are actually sold as two separate products. In the case of the processor in the Evo it's an MSM 8660 which is sold by qualcomm to be run at speeds as high as 1.5 ghz. If they wanted to sell chips binned for lower speeds they'd have to sell it as a different model since it wouldn't be capable of the 1.5hz.
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Can you explain this to me please.
toxic and donatom,
Your explanations make perfect sense. So I hope to be wrong. Does qualcomm sell a processor with that same architecture and a lower clock advertised?
Just seems like they're not gonna throw them away if they are stable and 1.2 or 1.4 but less stable at 1.5+. The 3vo seems like a good way for them to unload those processors.
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toxic and donatom,
Your explanations make perfect sense. So I hope to be wrong. Does qualcomm sell a processor with that same architecture and a lower clock advertised?
Just seems like they're not gonna throw them away if they are stable and 1.2 or 1.4 but less stable at 1.5+. The 3vo seems like a good way for them to unload those processors.
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To my knowledge, if this happens it gets recycled. But.....if this happens a lot then they need to change their manufacturing process or that the technology isn't there yet. Like now we have the technology to do 64GB MicroSD, but why do it because most devices can only do 32GB. For the companies that do sell them, well....I don't have good words for them, I also don't know of this happening. I can understand that it could be useful for donations to universities or others that could use them for damn near free prices, but not resold even under a different name.
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Can you explain this to me please.
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Well in the case of AMD with many of their chip lines they produce a higher end chip. The ones that don't fully pass the tests at the higher speed get sold as a different model with a lower clock and voltage.
I have the most experience with the HD 6970 and 6950. They both use the same GPU, but the ones in the 6950 didn't pass AMD's tests at higher speeds so they are set at a lower clock and voltage than the 6970 (they also have some shaders disbaled). They are sold as two different models even though they were made the exact same way with the same silicone. This is not new chip manufacturers have been doing this for a while.
Think of it this way I make 100k chips out of those 100k I'm going to have a percentage that can't perform at their top performance, so instead of throwing them away I make a different model and underclock it and still make money on the chips that didn't pass at the higher speed. Now sometimes I will sell more of the lower end model so I actually have to take some chips that probably would have passed as the higher end model and sell them at the lower end. In this case the user gets lucky and can unlock their chip to the performance of the higher priced model.
EDIT: What HTC is doing here is buying a 1.5ghz chip but purposely underclocking it to save battery, since they figured most users wouldn't see the .3 ghz difference but would see the difference in battery life. Again in video cards you see this but usually the other way around. A manufacturer such as Asus, gigabyte, whomever takes the best of their chips they bought and overclocks them because again some were made even better than the standards set by AMD or Nvidia.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is that ALL these chips should do 1.5 ghz stable without question, unless there isn't enough space inside for the cooling requirements at 1.5ghz (which I doubt), and most should easily go above 1.6.
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To my knowledge, if this happens it gets recycled. But.....if this happens a lot then they need to change their manufacturing process or that the technology isn't there yet. Like now we have the technology to do 64GB MicroSD, but why do it because most devices can only do 32GB. For the companies that do sell them, well....I don't have good words for them, I also don't know of this happening. I can understand that it could be useful for donations to universities or others that could use them for damn near free prices, but not resold even under a different name.
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This is something that happens mostly in higher end processors because their tolerances at those speeds are less forgiving. No manufacturing process is perfect, you're going to have some that won't perform at those very high speeds, and recycling would cost more to the company and environment then simply selling them at lower speeds. These chips are not bad, and not defective, just found to not be stable at those highest speeds, but are perfectly fine at the speeds they are being sold at, so why throw them away. If they don't meet the standards at the lower speed then yes they would be recycled.
My phone is running on CM7 Beta 3 and I want to overclock it to 1.5 Ghz I followed the inscructions here http://bugbig.com/how-to-overclock-motorola-atrix-4g-to-1-5-ghz
and when I typed on the emulator : ''insmod olympus_overclock.ko'' it was written : insmod: init_module 'olympus_overclock.ko' failed (exec format error)
I'm running on Faux's kernel (faux123) so what can I do to overclock my phone to 1.5 Ghz ?
Thank you in advance
Why 1.5? What's magic about that number? Doubt we will ever see 1.5 on Atrix. Dual core already gets hot enough at 1.1 and there is no cooling available. Different to a single core OC.
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that guide is extremely outdated. the kernel module you're trying to use was released before the bootloader was unlocked, and as far as i've read from Faux123 there is something limiting our ability to overclock that we just haven't broken through yet.
belig1234 said:
My phone is running on CM7 Beta 3 and I want to overclock it to 1.5 Ghz I followed the inscructions here http://bugbig.com/how-to-overclock-motorola-atrix-4g-to-1-5-ghz
and when I typed on the emulator : ''insmod olympus_overclock.ko'' it was written : insmod: init_module 'olympus_overclock.ko' failed (exec format error)
I'm running on Faux's kernel (faux123) so what can I do to overclock my phone to 1.5 Ghz ?
Thank you in advance
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A few things to consider.
May be the kernel you are using is not meant to work with CM7 Beta.
May be you are following the steps but the guide itself is broken.
May be you are trying to OC your phone to 1.5 GHz but the script is broken.
You said you are running Faux's kernel, well that kernel is only taking your phone to 1.1 GHz, how and why do you expect your phone to magically OC itself to 1.5?
Just 2 cents : I agree with CaelanT, this phone is a Monster itself. When you OC your phone to 1.1, it just bloody flies... Whats the need to OC it all the way to 1.5? Also, while OC'd, it heats up like a *****... I have seen my phone temperature reaching > 45 degrees... Man, it feels like a burning charcoal... I am just wondering if one will actually end up blowing up his/her phone just cuz of OC'd phone.
I actually keep mine underclocked...
Cheers!!!
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A few things to consider.
May be the kernel you are using is not meant to work with CM7 Beta.
May be you are following the steps but the guide itself is broken.
May be you are trying to OC your phone to 1.5 GHz but the script is broken.
You said you are running Faux's kernel, well that kernel is only taking your phone to 1.1 GHz, how and why do you expect your phone to magically OC itself to 1.5?
Just 2 cents : I agree with CaelanT, this phone is a Monster itself. When you OC your phone to 1.1, it just bloody flies... Whats the need to OC it all the way to 1.5? Also, while OC'd, it heats up like a *****... I have seen my phone temperature reaching > 45 degrees... Man, it feels like a burning charcoal... I am just wondering if one will actually end up blowing up his/her phone just cuz of OC'd phone.
I actually keep mine underclocked...
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Hi,
If there is a limit on clock frequencies, in my experience that implies a multiplier register needs to be changed. But a 50% overclock is rather ambitious, 10% is probably the safest range.
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NFHimself said:
Hi,
If there is a limit on clock frequencies, in my experience that implies a multiplier register needs to be changed. But a 50% overclock is rather ambitious, 10% is probably the safest range.
Cheers!
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Excessively overclocking mobile devices - is an incredibly stupid idea,... unless you have no problem getting a hardbrick one day.
Try overclocking your desktop PC up to 50% without additional cooling and let us know how it goes. Phones have NO cooling, they weren't meant to be overclocked that much.
Besides our current Tegra 2 setup has enough performance for everything available on Android at this moment.
If anything is lagging for you, that's because:
1. Motorola released crappy laggy motoblur
2. some app developer released crappy laggy app
Why does overclocking always turn into a penis measuring contest?
Focus on software optimisation, not on more raw performance to make up for crappy code.
ok thank you everyone I'll stick with kernel faux123
xploited said:
Excessively overclocking mobile devices - is an incredibly stupid idea,... unless you have no problem getting a hardbrick one day.
Try overclocking your desktop PC up to 50% without additional cooling and let us know how it goes. Phones have NO cooling, they weren't meant to be overclocked that much.
Besides our current Tegra 2 setup has enough performance for everything available on Android at this moment.
If anything is lagging for you, that's because:
1. Motorola released crappy laggy motoblur
2. some app developer released crappy laggy app
Why does overclocking always turn into a penis measuring contest?
Focus on software optimisation, not on more raw performance to make up for crappy code.
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Hi,
The internet has heard your complaint and will adjust itself accordingly. Lol
Cheers!
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Faux just tweeted ATRIX can be overclocked to 1.3 http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=1873
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I just overclocked my sgs 2 to 1.6ghz so I'm sure the Atrix will get there soon.
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I would like to see 1.5ghz too. hopefully our chipset can handle that
When I look in system info in quadrant after running full bench it only shows 1 core but when I reboot or end application and relaunch it recognizes both cores.
belig1234 said:
My phone is running on CM7 Beta 3 and I want to overclock it to 1.5 Ghz I followed the inscructions here http://bugbig.com/how-to-overclock-motorola-atrix-4g-to-1-5-ghz
and when I typed on the emulator : ''insmod olympus_overclock.ko'' it was written : insmod: init_module 'olympus_overclock.ko' failed (exec format error)
I'm running on Faux's kernel (faux123) so what can I do to overclock my phone to 1.5 Ghz ?
Thank you in advance
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That module doesnt work, please check 0.1.8 from faux, everybody is having bootloops, but im loving to have 1.3ghz OC ^^
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ChongoDroid said:
I just overclocked my sgs 2 to 1.6ghz so I'm sure the Atrix will get there soon.
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SGS2 starts out with dual core 1.2GHz, so technically you haven't reached a .5GHz OC there. Even if you did, comparing the SGS2 to the Atrix is apples to oranges.
The problem with the Atrix is not only whether the hardware will OC to 1.5GHz. Heat is the biggest problem, and with very high temps on a 1.1GHz OC under load I doubt as I mentioned before we will ever reach 1.5GHz.
I don't know what temps the SGS2 processor gets to, so I can't comment on that.
1.1/1.2 GHz is quite fast enough for me, and as someone else said, it just turns into an epeen war, with no actual rhyme or reason for wanting to OC so high other than to see if it is possible, which is all good and well.
I can OC my PC way higher than it currently is, but I choose a conservative approach because I do not want to fry any components, have graphical artifacts, etc. Same goes for my phone. I want stability and to not have to wave it around in the air to manually actively cool it!
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SGS2 starts out with dual core 1.2GHz, so technically you haven't reached a .5GHz OC there. Even if you did, comparing the SGS2 to the Atrix is apples to oranges.
The problem with the Atrix is not only whether the hardware will OC to 1.5GHz. Heat is the biggest problem, and with very high temps on a 1.1GHz OC under load I doubt as I mentioned before we will ever reach 1.5GHz.
I don't know what temps the SGS2 processor gets to, so I can't comment on that.
1.1/1.2 GHz is quite fast enough for me, and as someone else said, it just turns into an epeen war, with no actual rhyme or reason for wanting to OC so high other than to see if it is possible, which is all good and well.
I can OC my PC way higher than it currently is, but I choose a conservative approach because I do not want to fry any components, have graphical artifacts, etc. Same goes for my phone. I want stability and to not have to wave it around in the air to manually actively cool it!
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hahahaha well said! but how is comparing the 2 apples to oranges??? aren't they almost identical
Hi im thinking of doing a overclock to 1.5 ghz is it safe for the processor and the battery life witch already sucks. has anyone on here whos done it using setcpu and the rom had any problems after doing so ? and how much faster is 1.5 ghz compared to 1.2 ghz on the galaxy s2 ? and is it safe in general for the hardware of the phone will the phone get hotter or have over heating problems ? also what should my settings be for minimum maximum and the voltages ?
Of course oc is going to make ur battery life a lot worse.
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I haven' used Setcpu in a while but I believe it's got a feature to stress test the settings to see if it can handle it. Generally the worst that happens is it'll crash. So long as it doesn't get hot. Heat=death for electronics :')
I'm using tegrak (from market) to overclock to 1.4. I found 1.5 was too unstable. Noticeable difference between 1.2 & 1.4 is almost none. Also voltage increase of 50mv was needed to gain stability. There is not much point of overclocking the device IMO unless like me u just get some satisfaction out of knowing its running faster!
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I'm using tegrak (from market) to overclock to 1.4. I found 1.5 was too unstable. Noticeable difference between 1.2 & 1.4 is almost none. Also voltage increase of 50mv was needed to gain stability. There is not much point of overclocking the device IMO unless like me u just get some satisfaction out of knowing its running faster!
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This is true. I see no difference between 1.2 & 1.5ghz. But that doesn't keep me from running it at 1.5 when I'm playing a game anyway :'D
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Hi im thinking of doing a overclock to 1.5 ghz is it safe for the processor and the battery life witch already sucks. has anyone on here whos done it using setcpu and the rom had any problems after doing so ? and how much faster is 1.5 ghz compared to 1.2 ghz on the galaxy s2 ? and is it safe in general for the hardware of the phone will the phone get hotter or have over heating problems ? also what should my settings be for minimum maximum and the voltages ?
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Well it's not safe, that I can say. Nothing is safe when you don't know what other things are changing with the clock rate. But still you could do that. You just have to make sure that the temperature is within limit, it will be definitely high, but make sure it's not that high.
And upping the clock rate to 1.5 GHz won't drain any extra battery than 1.2 GHz.
Regards.
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Hi im thinking of doing a overclock to 1.5 ghz is it safe for the processor and the battery life witch already sucks. has anyone on here whos done it using setcpu and the rom had any problems after doing so ? and how much faster is 1.5 ghz compared to 1.2 ghz on the galaxy s2 ? and is it safe in general for the hardware of the phone will the phone get hotter or have over heating problems ? also what should my settings be for minimum maximum and the voltages ?
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I tried the overclocking and each phone is different, increase then test, there are many benchmarking apps out there, I was stable at 1.4, my kernel does not include 1.5 GHz, and irregardless of what people may say, running the phone at higher clock speeds consistently DOES drain the battery more than 1.2GHz, unless you have found a way to manipulate the laws of physics. I don't see how one can fathom the thought that you can get a faster CPU at absolutely no cost.
Many people think when the CPU running faster means you complete tasks faster, hence 1.5 would complete a task faster than 1.2 and hence save battery, but I believe we use this phone as more than a calculator, so when you are performing a task that causes the CPU to run at 1.5 for a period of time e.g playing a game, browsing or whatever you do with your phone, then the CPU has to draw more power to keep the frequency at 1.5 as compared to the CPU running at 1.2
All in all, I dialed back because I was doing fine without it and I did not need it, other people may need it, and I wasn't gaining anything. to answer your question directly, it all depends on what you do with your phone, I'm not a huge gamer or anything and the 1.2GHz has proven to be more than enough for me to have a very pleasant experience using this device
Using it occasionally is safe, unless you stress your mobile at 1.5+ ghz for more than an hour or so.
The cpu governor will only make use of higher frequencies when there is a need, so mostly you will see your mobile idling at 200 mhz.
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Of course oc is going to make ur battery life a lot worse.
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Not necessarily a lot worse. It depends on how you are using your phone, and what is causing it to run fast. If overclocking allows the phone to spend longer in deep sleep state, your battery will win. If its games, and by OC you achieve a higher frame rate, then the phone is doing more work, and this will be reflected in the battery life going down.
Most of the time, screen on is going to dominate. If you are a low screen-on user, I guess there is more chance for a higher max_cpu to be beneficial (it won't be used unless there is a task that requires it). More accurately, it helps some of the time, so the net result is not always obvious to predict.
How about undervolting?
Any danger in doing so- other than crashing when voltage is too low?
Before over clocking it might be worth downloading cpuspy from the market and seeing what time you spend in each speed.
Chances are most of the time you won't even hit 1.2 so might not have anything to gain by over clocking.
Then again I dont know how you use your device but I do know I was surprised when I found out.
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I've played with the SuperSonic version of this phone (which has a 1.5Ghz core) and the results from photos/video are much better, I'm pretty sure the cameras are exactly the same but the SuperSonic benefits from the higher CPU.
I think it would be cool if somebody could write an app that states
IF user opens Camera application voltage + clock speed is increased to allow stable 1.5GHz speed
WHEN user closes camera application overclock turns off.
Thoughts?
You have a smartphone! Not a pc!
I didnt see any advantage if you oc to 1.5
Btw In normal use your phone keep in 200mhz not 1.2.
I think i only hit 1.2 two or 3 times for 3 seconds in a full battery cycle.
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oc dosnt make sense ,there no noticeable diff,an yes very few times i hit 1.2 mostly its on 800 or few times on 1000....using a device with 1.5ghz proccesor an oc a device to 1.5 ghz which has 1ghz processor is very diff in nature....
Fair enough.
Well I wouldn't mind an app that mazes out at 1.2GHz with camera app open, as it can lag when shooting HD.
oc upto 1.4 ghz is fair enough, anything more than that is a waste. though you cant find any visible difference between 1,1.2 and 1.4 it does helps in maintaining smoothness on some situations.
yes very true i had oc my sgs1 at 1.2ghz and sgs2 at 1.4ghz but frankly i dint see the diff so after few days use i turnd to orignal settings....but many use oc an phone works fine,but depends on personel use......an yes as bala_gammer says its fine on 1.4ghz......cheeeerz
is overclocking galaxy s2 to 1.3gh safe
HEY pople and friends i want to overclock my samsung galaxy s2 to 1.3gh soo is it safe ??????.
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HEY pople and friends i want to overclock my samsung galaxy s2 to 1.3gh soo is it safe ??????.
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hey mate
u really think 100mhz would make that much change? its safe btw... seen people running s2 at clock speed higher than 1.3ghz
Plz help @..Longtime hd gaming(gta sa,nfs mw , asphalt,modern combat...) using 1.4 ghz is safe?
I also noted that gameloft games are makes more over heat for phone..
Which is the best and safe voltage level for 1.4 ghz 1250mv or 1275mv or 1300mv
Iam using siyah v6.0b5 kernel with wizzedkat 3.1..
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Well u do not see much difference on daily usage due to oc..but it does give a smoother experience while playing high quality games
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What I don't understand is if the GPU gets high scores in benchmarks like 53-58 fps on nenamark1. 59-60 + fps on the antutu gpu section, adn everything seems to run smooth on the phone. I noticed there is some lag for the launcher and scrolling for the stock sense launcher, as well sa go launcher ex. Could it just be that sense really bogs a phone down? Or maybe theres just a few small glitches that need to be addressed? With these specs 1.5ghz snapdragon w/ the s3 soc which is no slouch, and an adreno 220 GPU which is stronger than the power 540, you'd imagine there would be no graphical/transitonal lag. Or lag of any kind at all. I really am thinking it is software/sense and all the crapware and bloat that was added to this phone.
I came from the RAZR (not interested in the nexus cause samsung and no SD) and there wasn't any graphical/transitional lag on that phone. It does have the lighter version of blur, and the only real thing that I noticed, was stock launcher had a slight stutter when you first scroll and thats it. On go launcher the app drawer scrolling was smooth as butter, but doesn't seem as smooth on the Rezound. Could it also be the fact that the applications aren't optimized yet for this resolution? Any input would be appreciated! Thanks!
well, here's the thing. the RAZR & Galaxy Nexus both have the same CPU, and yes, it runs at 1.2GHz
the Rezound is 1.5GHz(factory overclocked), but was originally a 1.2GHz CPU as well... not to mention that the CPU in the Rezound is also nearly a year older then the CPU in the other 2.
that still doesn't mean that the CPU sucks, it's just a tad out dated(really all dual-cores are since quad-core is on the way). of course, once we get perm root we'll be able to overclock and everything will be dandy.
the main issue though is that Gingerbread isn't really built to properly handle multi-core CPU's. it won't be until we get ICS or again, perm root & then able to load de-sensed/aosp roms that we'll really be able to see what this phone can actually do.
Fisrt, the CPU that raze uses and galaxy nexus uses are different. They both run at 1.2ghz though the one on nexus is supposed to be clocked at 1.5. Secondly, the CPU on resound is not overclocked. It is supposed to run at the 1.5 GHz clock speed.
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On the wiki it shows that the MSM8660 ranges from 1.2 - 1.5 ghz so probably not factor OC'd. Probalby just how they were turned out when they were binned. The outside of the wafer probably were stable 1.2 - 1.3 and the center 1.4 - 1.5. Yeah it shows Q3 2010 makes you wonder why htc would put a chipset that old in a current phone, but still performance shouldn't be like this at all. Even though it only has single-channel 333 MHz ISM/266 MHz LPDDR2 RAM I doubt that will bottle neck the CPU in anyway shape or form. The TI 4430 Q1 2011 and the 4460 Q4 2011, both use the 540 GPU but have dual channel RAM. Not sure how much of a difference that makes, but considering that Intel went back from triple channel to dual channel, shouldn't be too much.
Antutu benches show that the CPU's pretty much obtain the same scores for CPU/2D 3D graphics. Hell even the Rezound gets better nenamark1 scores by like 5-7 fps. So the benches show on paper this phone is equally just as powerful as the RAZR/Nexus yet they have these graphical/UI stutters/lag?
I really am just thinking that Sense/Bloat have plagued a powerful phone. The RAZR isn't too bogged down by the lighter blur it seems, just the poor coding of moto. Shame the MSM8960 didn't come out sooner and inb4 it's on the Rezound 2 next year or something lol. One just can never keep up with technology and it's futile to try w/ the rate hardware changes with Android.
any lag you notice is def sense.
notice the notification dropdown lag?
yeah, that's been in EVERY SINGLE sense 2/3 hybrid rom on the HTC incredible in the past 4 or so months. it's a problem with (i assume) gingerbread and the new sense.
when we ran froyo Z roms with sense 2.0, t here was no lag in bringing down the notification dropdown.
many people said it was bc of the recent apps..however, in many sense 2/3 hybrid roms on GB, devs took out the recent apps, and it still did it.
pretty sure it's just bc sense is a hog, and something is coded weird/bad here. i know that notification dropdown lag pisssssssssssssssssssed me off so much on the incredible, and seeing it on a brand new dual core phone really gets me angry, but i stopped being so anal about it and realized that this phone is AMAZING in every other sense (no pun intended )
In case it isn't clear, the RAZR uses the OMAP 4430, while the Nexus uses the slightly newer OMAP 4460. The only real difference I know of is that the GPU in the 4460 is overclocked to 384 MHz, while the GPU in the 4430 is around 300 MHz.
The Droid Bionic and the RAZR are practically identical in hardware, with the excemption of a better screen and camera on the RAZR.
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any lag you notice is def sense.
notice the notification dropdown lag?
yeah, that's been in EVERY SINGLE sense 2/3 hybrid rom on the HTC incredible in the past 4 or so months. it's a problem with (i assume) gingerbread and the new sense.
when we ran froyo Z roms with sense 2.0, t here was no lag in bringing down the notification dropdown.
many people said it was bc of the recent apps..however, in many sense 2/3 hybrid roms on GB, devs took out the recent apps, and it still did it.
pretty sure it's just bc sense is a hog, and something is coded weird/bad here. i know that notification dropdown lag pisssssssssssssssssssed me off so much on the incredible, and seeing it on a brand new dual core phone really gets me angry, but i stopped being so anal about it and realized that this phone is AMAZING in every other sense (no pun intended )
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Good pun was good! The nerd in me approves! Anyways I came from the RAZR cause I just couldn't STAND the battery life/heat on that phone it was terrible, horrible even. Smart actions data saver which turns of backround synching I'd wake up with 30-40% of the battery gone :/. The phone also got pretty damn hot like 104-110 while watching netflix w/ full brightness. Although it did remain the same temperature 104-110 while on the charger. I'm not a fan of Samsung phones at all so the Nexus was out of the picture for me (that + no SD card and low quality build, screen issues I could go on). I can't wait for AOSP, or some custom ROM that eliminates launcher/notifications lag. The browser doesnt' fair too well either on sites with full flash. I'm sure I could download a 3rd party browser and it'd be okay.
that's whats great about the rezound, and android in general....buy the rezound for some great hardware etc, then if you really want to, root it and put AOSP on it.
with any other phone, you can't root it and put sense on it. i love sense personally, even though she's a hog. yeah, it's a little slow sometimes, but honestly, i could NEVER have a motorola or a samsung as an android phone. at this point, i NEED htc because it looks and handles the best to me.
I personally do think that the SoC on the Rezound is superior when compared to RAZR/Nexus. I like how sense looks yes, it's is no doubt the best added skin out there. I am a performance junkie and I like to fine tune all my electronic devices, computer, phone, tv etc. I can't wait to get a good ROM on here AOSP, hell even sense if it fixes the lag problems, and shows smoother app drawer scrolling for the sense launcher and third party launchers.
RAZR = 1.2GHz OMAP4430
Nexus = 1.2GHz OMAP4460
The 4460 is spec'ed at 1.5GHz, but was probably underclocked to conserve battery and whatnot.
The processor in the Rezound is a dual-core Scorpion based snapdragon. Scorpion is an instruction set based on Cortex A8, so it's a little older than the OMAP4 core which are Cortex A9 based.
The short answer is the SoC in the RAZR and the Nexus are actually quite a bit better than the one in the Rezound. It's a whole generation ahead.
Scorpion is loosely based on A8, they license the instructions from arm but make their own mods, so it's a tweaked A8 with some A9 features. The new krait will be like an A15 so hopefully qualcomm will jump ahead. All I know is the omap came out last and their linpack scores are crazy high for multithreaded. At this point though it's not a big deal, i don't have any lag on my Evo 3D and it's the qualcomm. Just relax and enjoy the ride of tech
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Scorpion is loosely based on A8, they license the instructions from arm but make their own mods, so it's a tweaked A8 with some A9 features. The new krait will be like an A15 so hopefully qualcomm will jump ahead. All I know is the omap came out last and their linpack scores are crazy high for multithreaded. At this point though it's not a big deal, i don't have any lag on my Evo 3D and it's the qualcomm. Just relax and enjoy the ride of tech
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Linpack is junk for benches imo. Idk whats bogging down the Rezound. Maybe just sense and all the crapware? Or software isn't properly utilized for the HD? Linpack for the 4430 85-90, Rezound just hit 88 on first run derpppp.
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RAZR = 1.2GHz OMAP4430
Nexus = 1.2GHz OMAP4460
The 4460 is spec'ed at 1.5GHz, but was probably underclocked to conserve battery and whatnot.
The processor in the Rezound is a dual-core Scorpion based snapdragon. Scorpion is an instruction set based on Cortex A8, so it's a little older than the OMAP4 core which are Cortex A9 based.
The short answer is the SoC in the RAZR and the Nexus are actually quite a bit better than the one in the Rezound. It's a whole generation ahead.
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Yeah its underclocked from 1.5 I'm sure, I doubt it's a lower quality 4460 (which im sure they mark as 4430 assuming theyre form the same wafer). What I don't get is the phones do have similar benches rezound topping off some and the RAZR/Nexus topping off some. But regardless of the the soc being a bit older, there still should be ZERO lag on a device of this caliber. Especially when you get the lag from the status notifcation bar, the appdrawer scrolling( even on 3rd party launchers like go). I just wonder if its sense or coding is not properly utilized for the resolution, I have no idea. Any thoughts?
Its sense... Sense is just massive. I can almost 100% guarantee that its sense....
On my Desire 6275, with 2fasts miui and cm7, my desire had no lag what so ever with anything. Though it was a single core and old and the ram and memory were bull**** garbage. On an AOSP rom and even a stripped modified sense rom it didn't lag at all for UI transitions and app launching. I didn't even have it overclocked.
I bet this phone will be dam near perfect on an AOSP or stripped sense rom... I'm excited for it lol. I bet we can even underclock it and still have exceptional performance. And I have no complaints about battery life either. So on an undervolted kernel it will improve even more.
With a great developer following and an overall better hardware configuration than any other phone, this will easily keep me happy until 4quater next year(until the next best phone) or even after that maybe
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Its sense... Sense is just massive. I can almost 100% guarantee that its sense....
On my Desire 6275, with 2fasts miui and cm7, my desire had no lag what so ever with anything. Though it was a single core and old and the ram and memory were bull**** garbage. On an AOSP rom and even a stripped modified sense rom it didn't lag at all for UI transitions and app launching. I didn't even have it overclocked.
I bet this phone will be dam near perfect on an AOSP or stripped sense rom... I'm excited for it lol. I bet we can even underclock it and still have exceptional performance. And I have no complaints about battery life either. So on an undervolted kernel it will improve even more.
With a great developer following and an overall better hardware configuration than any other phone, this will easily keep me happy until 4quater next year(until the next best phone) or even after that maybe
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I have no doubt that this phone can be a top performer w/ the soc eventhough it's last years model. I'm sure they have improved upon it more, hell it performs with the current TIOMAP socs and even beats it in some areas. The RAZR had terrible battery life and it did perform great on a stripped down blur. I was thinking about the Nexus but Samsung (no ty), no SD card (no ty), cheap build quality which also has to do with reason #1. I heard there were also screen issues w/ the Nexus, bad sound quality etc. I was very hopeful of the Nexus but was disappointed when it was Samsung building the phone. So that leaves the Rezound w/ its HD display, $120 dollar headphones and designed for media which is my #1 priority. Hopefully we get S-off and we can get rid of a lot of this trash on a great phone.
Update: I slapped on ADW EX and the stutter/jerking for the notification bar has been greatly minimized. App drawer is a lot smoother for sure. Interesting thing is everything else runs great. I was watching 1280 x 720p video off the class 4 SD with very minor lag. I put in my class 10 SD so we'll see how that goes! I'm sure once this phone is on AOSP or a stripped version of Sense, she'll fly even more.
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Its sense... Sense is just massive. I can almost 100% guarantee that its sense....
On my Desire 6275, with 2fasts miui and cm7, my desire had no lag what so ever with anything. Though it was a single core and old and the ram and memory were bull**** garbage. On an AOSP rom and even a stripped modified sense rom it didn't lag at all for UI transitions and app launching. I didn't even have it overclocked.
I bet this phone will be dam near perfect on an AOSP or stripped sense rom... I'm excited for it lol. I bet we can even underclock it and still have exceptional performance. And I have no complaints about battery life either. So on an undervolted kernel it will improve even more.
With a great developer following and an overall better hardware configuration than any other phone, this will easily keep me happy until 4quater next year(until the next best phone) or even after that maybe
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Sense roms are around 350 mb stock, aosp is about 80-100 depending on the phone... Sense is a huge memory hog
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Sense for this rom is over 500mb. Aosp can get down to 50ish mb which is amazing.
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Sense for this rom is over 500mb. Aosp can get down to 50ish mb which is amazing.
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Yea, that size is closer to what I was thinking
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Ridiculous, and what is more ridiculous is that the phone is able to function for the most part!
From what I have read, No android os, including Froyo and Gingerbread, have been built to fully use a gpu for hardward acceleration with the exception of Honeycomb. ICS is the first android os to have it fully supported. This is why the iPhone has always seemed to have smoother scrolling. IOS has always had it. I can't wait until our Rezound gets ICS and unleash this gpu.
I see the GS2 has been to 1.8 GHz and it has the same processor as ours. So is it being attempted?
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I see the GS2 has been to 1.8 GHz and it has the same processor as ours. So is it being attempted?
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Read around, Faux has it up to 1.7
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Yes, there is a kernel by faux123 that goes up to 1.7GHz
Development forum.
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1.7 is all we can get right now? I was at 1.9 with my htc g2
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1.7 is all we can get right now? I was at 1.9 with my htc g2
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Likewise, but that was a single core chip and for whatever reason it seemed to handle the increase in frequency wih a little more stability.
I can't really imagine what you would need a high frequency like that for on our device though, I watch mkv's with ease on this thing.
Besides it was like 8 months after the g2 the was released that kernels had that capability.
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1.7 is all we can get right now? I was at 1.9 with my htc g2
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honestly gingerbread is only optimized for one core. and At 1.5 I don't see any lag or any stutters whatsoever, Thats why I just clock my phone at 1.5 or even 1.4 sometimes...I don't understand why phones need a dual core?? its just a massive battery drainage and sell point. my old single core laptop runs windows 7 very smoothly...you're telling me we need a dual core processor on our phones to run android!!!
Waste of battery imo, if you're into gaming just get a psp, you'll get a wider selection of games, and also a much much better battery life that won't chip into your talktime
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honestly gingerbread is only optimized for one core. and At 1.5 I don't see any lag or any stutters whatsoever, Thats why I just clock my phone at 1.5 or even 1.4 sometimes...I don't understand why phones need a dual core?? its just a massive battery drainage and sell point. my old single core laptop runs windows 7 very smoothly...you're telling me we need a dual core processor on our phones to run android!!!
Waste of battery imo, if you're into gaming just get a psp, you'll get a wider selection of games, and also a much much better battery life that won't chip into your talktime
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Gingerbread may be optimized for one core but what about ICS? That's why we have it.. would you have bought the Amaze if it was single core?
And as far as over-clocking, if I'm understanding things correctly. The kernel is OC'd but isn't it only one kernel taking load a majority of the time? So it seems to me that its really like over-clocking a single core.
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Gingerbread may be optimized for one core but what about ICS? That's why we have it.. would you have bought the Amaze if it was single core?
And as far as over-clocking, if I'm understanding things correctly. The kernel is OC'd but isn't it only one kernel taking load a majority of the time? So it seems to me that its really like over-clocking a single core.
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ya overclocking a single core basically the second core is off whenever i check it. yes I understand ICS supports multicore and so does honeycomb. But do we really need multiple cores? my point was that It really is not needed, unless you're trying to play a really high def game!!!! playing high def games gives you about 2 or 3 hours max battery life, so you might as well just get a psp!!! you see my point? I overclocked my old N1 cause it was laggy, or getting laggy, and overclocking does not always mean better performance. it strains the processor and sometimes causes even more stutter!
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honestly gingerbread is only optimized for one core. and At 1.5 I don't see any lag or any stutters whatsoever, Thats why I just clock my phone at 1.5 or even 1.4 sometimes...I don't understand why phones need a dual core?? its just a massive battery drainage and sell point. my old single core laptop runs windows 7 very smoothly...you're telling me we need a dual core processor on our phones to run android!!!
Waste of battery imo, if you're into gaming just get a psp, you'll get a wider selection of games, and also a much much better battery life that won't chip into your talktime
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I thought the same until i read more about the way android uses the cores. it doesnt always use both cores at the same time like Windows would.. It uses the other core when it needs to, Google just needs more optimizing and such. but i guess thats what ICS is for
I would agree but coming from a single core phone to my amaze. What a huge difference. So I say what ever there doing keep it up.
I love a dual core. Im surfing the web on a quad core amd, and my phone is just as quick as my computer .
Here is my next question. I dont know much on how to over clock a phone . I cant imagine its anything like overclocking my PC .
Where can I read more to find out on how to because I would love to.
if used correctly dual core can give much better battery life once it is supported fully by ICS. the trick is to have both processors work simultaneously on one task for battery purposes. for multitasking it is probably not a good idea, it will probably require good kernel and governor to figure it out here: