Well as many EVO users know there is a distinct possibility (probability) that Sprint will be getting out of the WiMax game at some point in the next couple of years and joining the LTE bandwagon. Of course, it's a simple switch to make on their end as it only requires a firmware update, however on the phone's end it is not quite that simple.
Has anyone heard anything about the possibility of the 3D having a dual mode chip? I would like to hang on to this next phone for a while and I'm hoping we won't be saddled with only 2.5 ghz spectrum wimax (the spectrum is also something I'm curious about with the former nextel bands' uncertain future).
Can you explain why Wimax is so bad.
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Can you explain why Wimax is so bad.
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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That's a very blunt way of phrasing the question but I'll do my best:
WiMax in and of itself is not necessarily "bad", but to sum it up, Clearwire (who Sprint has partnered with in its 4G endeavors) is pretty well tanking, and I believe that LTE is the superior standard if you base it solely on tech specs. Add to this the fact that LTE has become the de-facto standard via its adoption by ATT & VZW.
Other complicating factors are the fact that Sprint's 2.5 Ghz spectrum has well-known issues with building penetration, the fact that the 800Mhz former nextel spectrum would be a good candidate for rolling out LTE and having better service, the fact that LTE (supposedly) lends itself better to carrier control (ie not in favor of net neutrality) and probably some others, and the fact that sprint has itself said it is investigating the possibility of going LTE, it doesnt even really matter if WiMax is "bad" because it's probably going to happen one way or another.
Wimax 2 might hold promise but I honestly am already over my head here and I'm saying I don't want to be stuck with a phone that overtly clashes with Sprint's 4G vision of the future.
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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Just to clarify, I believe Wimax actually isn't the problem, if it were deployed on a lower spectrum it would have comparable signal penetration.
IF sprint switches to lte (hope not) then it won't be soon enough to worry about with the evo 3d, you will undoubtably upgrade your phone in that time, unless you can withhold the temptation to buy quadcore superphones next year
Project leapfrog is in the works for sprint. Meaning, they're coonverting to LTE by 2013. Which, in theory, means the Evo 3D will NOT have LTE capabilities because it'll be most likely another year or two before you start seeing LTE on Sprints network.
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Wimax is more efficient than LTE, it's the spectrum they are using that is hurting them. I doubt it will be but the Evo was the first 4G phone out so it would make sense. Even if it's unused when the phone is released.
The Evo is ready for Wimax2 (real 4G) and I don't think the standard hasn't even been finalized yet.
Can anyone explain why Sprint is expanding it's Wimax offering if they are going to be changing it in 2 years?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704004004576271523786624948.html
Interesting read sort of gives some insight about what Sprint may be angling for. If the problem with Wimax is the frequency that sprint is using, perhaps their acquiring new frequencies fixes the problem?
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Sprint was already testing lte in phoenix . They also dont need to aquire any new frequency as they are getting rid of the iden - nextel really soon and will probably use that as wimax or lte if they choose it . Iden was in the 700 mhz range and will give a much better coverage
I somewhat doubt they'd do 700mhz WiMax. The reason I say that is because WiMax is an IEEE standard, specifically 802.16m, and they specified profiles at 2.3ghz, 2.5ghz, and 3.5ghz.
Clear isn't there just to provide services to sprint, Clear is there to be a broadband provider. That said, they're going to be working with devices that follow the IEEE spec.
It's possible they'd do 700mhz, but unlikely.
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I somewhat doubt they'd do 700mhz WiMax. The reason I say that is because WiMax is an IEEE standard, specifically 802.16m, and they specified profiles at 2.3ghz, 2.5ghz, and 3.5ghz.
Clear isn't there just to provide services to sprint, Clear is there to be a broadband provider. That said, they're going to be working with devices that follow the IEEE spec.
It's possible they'd do 700mhz, but unlikely.
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Sprint doesn't have anything in the 700MHz area last I checked. They didn't win the auction when it was held.
sprint has 806 MHz to 824 MHz and 851 MHz to 869 MHz bands. http://www.accedian.com/blog/news/sprint-vacated-iden-spectrum/
"There is no uniform global licensed spectrum for WiMAX, however the WiMAX Forum has published three licensed spectrum profiles: 2.3 GHz, 2.5 GHz and 3.5 GHz, in an effort to drive standardisation and decrease cost." -per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX
Regardless of what they own you are right in that Spring/Clearwire cant just wake up and decide to deploy WiMax on a lower Freq that they own b/c at this point in time its flat out not provisioned for it. However I have no clue as to how hard/easy it would be to get such a provision so anything is possible.
The thing with LTE is its provisioned across all freq bands defined for UMTS, which typically consist of 800MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz. per http://www.pixaware.com/LTE and WiMAX Comparison-TejasBhandare.pdf
I personally speculate that they will go the dual route b/c WiMax has its advantages over LTE in its own areas.
I understand that but I know that clear does what sprint says since they own more than 50% . Sprint will do something with the band width that nextel was using and it looks like the test in phoenix was good. I would not think they would go dual but its only software its easy to go from wimax to lte and so forth but I think it would send the wrong message if they did it . Should be interesting whatever they do . But I bet they use the nextel bandwidth to implement lte
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you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
I was saying that lte was better than wimax . They tested it in phoenix and got over 70 mbps . But some say wimax 2 is coming and such . It is never ending just like fios and cable . It will always be a search for speed . But right now you can google sprint and lte test in phoenix . may be the way they are going
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you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
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Yea but by the time they roll that out, they will probably be working on upgrades to lte. It will be a never ending battle. Someone is always gonna have the upper hand for half a year.
darkraiderfan said:
you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
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Wrong
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/why/technology/4g-lte.jsp
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._accelerated_plans_for_4g_lte_deployment.html
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Can anyone explain why Sprint is expanding it's Wimax offering if they are going to be changing it in 2 years?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704004004576271523786624948.html
Interesting read sort of gives some insight about what Sprint may be angling for. If the problem with Wimax is the frequency that sprint is using, perhaps their acquiring new frequencies fixes the problem?
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Sprint isn't doing anything. They don't have a 4g network. They lease it from clear (they are majority owners).
i agree with what others have said, the problem with clear's wimax network is the 2.5Ghz spectrum it runs on.
Wimax is open source, it's theoretically cheaper to build than LTE, but i haven't heard of clear expanding the coverage fast as verizon and tmobile.
Here's to all of you The EVO 3D might have compatability woe Wimax R2 or the 802e/m which will destroy LTE in speed and No Sprint will not switch over its to much money
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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I have LTE, yea and it is as flaky if not more or less than wimax, trust me I was just browsing the 3d forums to see when it will be released or so and the rumors.
AT home I get constant dropouts in LTE, hell I cant even get a constant signal, and walk 100 meters out in the open and I get great LTE coverage. While I have a laptop with built in wimax module and I got free thirty days and I get a constant connection and great coverage. I have never lost connection.
LTE is faster but seriously after 3mb down it all becomes pointless unless you are using your phone for home internet and need a lot of traffic, for a phone a connection at 2-3mb constant is plenty fast.
My wimax module gets me 3-5mb consistently at my house, I have never seen it go below.
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I can't seem to find a definitive answer to this, but I remember hearing something about it being accessible to both. Does anyone know for sure? This question has been driving me nuts lately.
From what I've read, no. Just wimax
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What is the point of having LTE on your phone if you can not use it?
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IIRC, the chip can handle LTE, but there's no LTE antenna.
Sprint is planing to roll out LTE, so it'd be cool if we could use it without having to buy a new phone.
LTE will suck as much if not more than WiMax. The frequencies are to blame, not the protocol, so, I wouldn't sweat it.
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LTE will suck as much if not more than WiMax. The frequencies are to blame, not the protocol, so, I wouldn't sweat it.
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Where I'm at, LTE is getting 4x the speed of my WiMAX right now. So, it'd benefit me.
Not LTE on sprint frequencies... verizon has kickass 700mHz frequencies for LTE that can actually penetrate buildings...sprints 2.5gHz frequencies suck so much that a stiff breeze can ruin your connection.
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Where I'm at, LTE is getting 4x the speed of my WiMAX right now. So, it'd benefit me.
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Hope you don't wanna be inside and use it lol.
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Not LTE on sprint frequencies... verizon has kickass 700mHz frequencies for LTE that can actually penetrate buildings...sprints 2.5gHz frequencies suck so much that a stiff breeze can ruin your connection.
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hell not even a stiff breeze, let a damn truck roll by the tower.... that'll block ur service for sure!
What new frequency does LightSquared run on? Because that'll be Sprint's frequency.
If Network Vision does what I hope it'll do, we might not have to worry about it as much.
I'm in one the fastest 4G areas Sprint has so I'm not too pressed about having LTE, yet.
At my house, I usually get around 4-5mbps when I'm outside. Inside, maybe 2-3mbps. A friend from work pulled 22mpbs from inside the office on Verizon LTE.
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At my house, I usually get around 4-5mbps when I'm outside. Inside, maybe 2-3mbps. A friend from work pulled 22mpbs from inside the office on Verizon LTE.
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Its not the protocol to blame. lte at 2.5ghz would suck just as hard as wimax at 2.5ghz. Hopefully sprint uses thier iDen frequencies for lte instead....hell use wimax on 800mhz and thatd spank the crap we have now
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Sprint will run both wimax and lte on multi channel towers using 800, 1900, 2.5 providing the best capacity and performance
Currently Verizon only uses 700... While it's fast the 700 MHz frequencies are limited and it will not be able to scale even remotely close to what sprint will be able to achieve on all 3 bands
It's only a matter of time
Sprint 800mhz
What I state is just a possabilty and not fact but IF Sprint made Nextel go bye-bye then they would have freed up the IDEN spectrum which is 800 mhz.... That would be a nice start for Sprint LTE. I presonally think Nextel's days are numbered anyway so this atleast has a chance of happening in the future.
The antenna issue
I'm talking out my ass here as this is not a strong point for me BUT some guys I know are big into HAM radio and they use generic antennas to transmit and receive across a wide range of frequencies… So in theory and please I welcome someone blowing me up on this… So long as the Evo 3D transceiver chipset can set for either LTE or WiMAX as some have said it can be then the antenna should not matter so much… It would just be up the chipset to switch modes.
This is not really sprint's fault!
As we all know Sprint operates on the WiMax band that is owned by Clearwire, now Clear is only using a fourth of its allotted spectrum and WiMax has the potential to be a lot faster and way more stable, unfortunately CLEAR has gone through some pretty rough financial woes that have halted its build out. WiMax just like any MMDS/LDS service is based on LOS (line of sight) and as much as Motorola denies it, it is simply a fact! Now I have the 3VO and can’t get a stable CINR in my house, but yet I have a Non Modified CLEAR modem and have a CINR of 16... What’s the deal ... the deal is that the Antenna and RF gain on these HTC WiMax devices suck bad!! Plus to top it off CLEAR has not even nearly completed its build out in many areas NYC, CHICAGO, ETC... Which make 4G on a 2-3DB Gain Smartphone near impossible in decent coverage areas. I have my primary Clear Modem modified with 2 MMDS 21db Grid antennas on the roof and my service screams 10MBDL/1.77UP ping of 47 and Cinr of 36 and I am .77 miles from the nearest tower, so it is not the WiMAX service as much as the coverage issues and poor antenna design. If CLEAR would open up more spectrum, WiMax can easily go to 99MBS DL as its wave 2 compliant and can handle that, it’s all up to the common carrier and its partner agreements... CLEAR Towers fed by Comcast (GAP/DAP) have always produced higher speeds for me.
But again Sprint got no control on your 4G service, that’s rented space for them, even though they have a 54% share hold on CLEAR.
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I'm talking out my ass here as this is not a strong point for me BUT some guys I know are big into HAM radio and they use generic antennas to transmit and receive across a wide range of frequencies… So in theory and please I welcome someone blowing me up on this… So long as the Evo 3D transceiver chipset can set for either LTE or WiMAX as some have said it can be then the antenna should not matter so much… It would just be up the chipset to switch modes.
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Assuming they shared an antenna which I dint think they do.
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If the chipset could go either way then I would ASSume that it would be a single antenna as it would set or one of the other... Scan for Wimax and then LTE... Which ever one present or has the better signal... connect to.
pretty sure none of the chipsets support LTE in the EVO3D. Dunno where you got that info from. The Qualcomm chipset in the Evo3D is the MSM8660 and from qualcomm's site that doesn't support LTE onboard. the only one is the new MSM90XX's and the MDM9600 which is what is in the VZ LTE phone.
The EVO3D has the SQN1210 WiMax chipset in it too so less you bypass that or reconfig that somehow i dont think its gonna happen. itll take some heavy dev'ing if its even possible, OR my info is somehow wrong and i missed something.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/07/28/sprint-confirms-4g-lte-deal-with-lightsquared/
They have signed the formal agreement!! Looks like we have some LTE Evo to look forward to!
I don't know why you are so damn happy about this when you own a WiMax phone...
That is great news. Thanks for posting.
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I don't know why you are so damn happy about this when you own a WiMax phone...
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I doubt the OP will keep his phone for the rest of his life and neither are you so who cares if we have wimax phones now. Its called progress and lets face it when was the last time you heard anything about new wimax deployment? It seems like its every week to every other week you hear verizon expanding coverage or adding new cities that now have 4g. Sprint gambled and it didn't quite work out as expected so who cares at this point as long as there is something positive to look forward to in the future.
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I doubt the OP will keep his phone for the rest of his life and neither are you so who cares if we have wimax phones now. Its called progress and lets face it when was the last time you heard anything about new wimax deployment? It seems like its every week to every other week you hear verizon expanding coverage or adding new cities that now have 4g. Sprint gambled and it didn't quite work out as expected so who cares at this point as long as there is something positive to look forward to in the future.
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^This...
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This means absolutely nothing.( i guess not absolutely nothing but its not the end all solution)
Just b/c they likely get LTE doesn't make it better at all than WiMax.
Those uneducated in the matter should take some time to read up some around here and the web and you'll learn that the reason WiMax in its current state with Sprint/Clearwire is the way it is b/c of a few things, one being the power the units use to get signal(hence wimax modems get better signal b/c they not running on battery like us) and the freq WiMax is placed on.
If they were to take LTE and swap out WiMax on the same freq we would all have the same issues as we do today, end of story.
We really need to understand that its not LTE vs WiMax its more about how the tech is implemented and such. VZ gets better coverage b/c its LTE is sitting on 700MHz channels so the building penetration is much better than the freq sprint/clear use 2.5GHz.
4G will get 10x better in the future once sprints network upgrade is rolled out and they have time to improve it. many options for them wether it be dual LTE/WiMax, or straight WiMax but using wider channel bandwidth and lower frequency. whatever it is it will get better, BUT it wont be just b/c its LTE or WiMax, itll be because of how its implemented.
also its been reported that this deal was done awhile ago. Sprint just reported earnings so its in there too now is all.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/07/28/sprint-confirms-4g-lte-deal-with-lightsquared/
They have signed the formal agreement!! Looks like we have some LTE Evo to look forward to!
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If they don't repurpose their iDen 800mHz frequencies to LTE then it really doesn't matter, it'll still suck hard if not harder. I think WiMax is the better protocol... Why not also transmit WiMax on the iDen frequencies instead? That would kick ass.
... Unless it has something to do with Clear.... Patents, licensing, agreements etc.
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I don't know why you are so damn happy about this when you own a WiMax phone...
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LMAO!!! IF they are going to offer LTE on 5hz stepping its not going to be any better than WiMax... I am waiting for Clearwires 20hz step LTE ... now thats speed to be excited about!
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If they don't repurpose their iDen 800mHz frequencies to LTE then it really doesn't matter, it'll still suck hard if not harder. I think WiMax is the better protocol... Why not also transmit WiMax on the iDen frequencies instead? That would kick ass.
... Unless it has something to do with Clear.... Patents, licensing, agreements etc.
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WiMax isn't provisioned for the lower freq at this time, unlike LTE. Dunno why this is or how that happened but it would take tests and FCC approval to put it on lower freq from what ive read.
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I think WiMax is the better protocol... Why not also transmit WiMax on the iDen frequencies instead? That would kick ass.
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WiMax is a simple protocol, basically just like your Wifi Router with Mac Access Control On on a different frequency.... Now there is nothing wrong with the 2496 - 2696 Mhz ban Clear uses except for the way Clear has laid it out, the wattage power Clears Towers are using and limited towers, back in the day the same exact frequency was used for Wireless Cable, MMDS can work from site to site for miles with excellent signal with only one tower center at the World Trade Center. Lots of compnies use LDS/MMDS to broadcast site to site data communications.
Unfortunately all these clear devices/sprint devices have small gain antennas which really hurt its ability to get inside large buildings.. The iDen Public Safety band would be an awesome idea, but I highly doubt you would ever see that happen as the Direct Connect feature is still highly used here in America and also in other countries and they all operate on the same frequency. If Sprint Nextel wasnt in such a $$$$ crunch, you would have seen a huge iDen network across the world. But I agree with you that sprint should use that band for data .. would be very interesting..
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WiMax is a simple protocol, basically just like your Wifi Router with Mac Access Control On on a different frequency.... Now there is nothing wrong with the 2496 - 2696 Mhz ban Clear uses except for the way Clear has laid it out, the wattage power Clears Towers are using and limited towers, back in the day the same exact frequency was used for Wireless Cable, MMDS can work from site to site for miles with excellent signal with only one tower center at the World Trade Center. Lots of compnies use LDS/MMDS to broadcast site to site data communications.
Unfortunately all these clear devices/sprint devices have small gain antennas which really hurt its ability to get inside large buildings.. The iDen Public Safety band would be an awesome idea, but I highly doubt you would ever see that happen as the Direct Connect feature is still highly used here in America and also in other countries and they all operate on the same frequency. If Sprint Nextel wasnt in such a $$$$ crunch, you would have seen a huge iDen network across the world. But I agree with you that sprint should use that band for data .. would be very interesting..
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already started phasing out iDen btw. part of sprint vision network upgrades. new devices will use the new cdma version and i think nextel subs have till like 2013 or maybe later to move over. think first few phones to support it are due out later this year.
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WiMax isn't provisioned for the lower freq at this time, unlike LTE. Dunno why this is or how that happened but it would take tests and FCC approval to put it on lower freq from what ive read.
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Apparently its to drive standardization and costs down by using the licensed spectrum profiles. Also, 700mhz bands might be viable in the future.
And as a clarification for my first post: why are you so happy about this when this could be 1-3 years (i'm thinking at least 2.5+) from being in a phone? Also, doesn't litesquared have problems with it interfering with gps?
Edit: fixing first paragraph cuz I was wrong, (which I thought I was)
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I thought they were gonna use lightsquareds spectrum which is better then what Wimax uses 1500s
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Apparently its to drive standardization and costs down by using the licensed spectrum profiles. Also, 700mhz bands might be viable in the future.
And as a clarification for my first post: why are you so happy about this when this could be 1-3 years (i'm thinking at least 2.5+) from being in a phone? Also, doesn't litesquared have problems with it interfering with gps?
Edit: fixing first paragraph cuz I was wrong
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they did have GPS problems but the deal states that they are allowed to test their LTE on sprints network spectrum which will eliminate their issue evidently. Also allows lightsquare to roam on sprints 3G network and gives sprint the option to buy 50% of lightsquares 4g lte network if they want in the future...
Obviously yall didnt read much when it says CLEARLY its for capacity, and MAYBE future use if needed... smh, you guys think were gonna get off scott free straight to LTE, not a chance... the design goes like this... Agreement between LS and sprint for LS to deploy 4g LTE over "sprint spectrum" with 3g roaming.... Sprint gains access to 4g lte for capacity and possible future deployment if needed with satellite spectrum buying access, if LS decides to sell Lband spectrum. this gives sprint cash (8 bill) and the agreement is like 15 years.... this about sums up that article.
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they did have GPS problems but the deal states that they are allowed to test their LTE on sprints network spectrum which will eliminate their issue evidently. Also allows lightsquare to roam on sprints 3G network and gives sprint the option to buy 50% of lightsquares spectrum if they want in the future...(guess that last part is if lightsquare can get their gps issues fixed on their spectrum)
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Ah ok. Thanks for clearing that up.
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WiMax is a simple protocol, basically just like your Wifi Router with Mac Access Control On on a different frequency.... Now there is nothing wrong with the 2496 - 2696 Mhz ban Clear uses except for the way Clear has laid it out, the wattage power Clears Towers are using and limited towers, back in the day the same exact frequency was used for Wireless Cable, MMDS can work from site to site for miles with excellent signal with only one tower center at the World Trade Center. Lots of compnies use LDS/MMDS to broadcast site to site data communications.
Unfortunately all these clear devices/sprint devices have small gain antennas which really hurt its ability to get inside large buildings.. The iDen Public Safety band would be an awesome idea, but I highly doubt you would ever see that happen as the Direct Connect feature is still highly used here in America and also in other countries and they all operate on the same frequency. If Sprint Nextel wasnt in such a $$$$ crunch, you would have seen a huge iDen network across the world. But I agree with you that sprint should use that band for data .. would be very interesting..
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I'm pretty sure Sprint is phasing out Nextel. I work IT for our city and our Public Safety officers all use Nextel phones. Over the past 6 months or so, call quality on these phones has gone to complete ****. We are slowly moving our users over to Sprint phones. Most don't use the Direct Connect feature, but a couple have complained about losing it.
My question is, with this LTE announcement, what will happen with the existing 4G Phones?
A simple OTA will fix this?
When will this start?
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My question is, with this LTE announcement, what will happen with the existing 4G Phones?
A simple OTA will fix this?
When will this start?
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I wouldn't worry about it until your next upgrade is due...
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My question is, with this LTE announcement, what will happen with the existing 4G Phones?
A simple OTA will fix this?
When will this start?
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Article states roll out in 2014. I don't think WiMax will go anywhere in the meantime.
Clearwire says that, while they aren't abandoning wimax, they plan to add LTE Advanced technologies to their existing infrastructure. LTE Advanced, or "true" 4G according to the original 4G designation, allows for download speeds of over 100Mbps.
Not sure how they plan on affording it, but more power to them. I'd love to have a phone, and 4G network, that would download at speeds that high
http://www.androidcentral.com/clearwire-announces-plans-lte-advanced-network-still-committed-wimax
beat yea by 1 min
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201167
CheesyNutz said:
beat yea by 1 min
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201167
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Hahahaha, that's what I get for thinking about what I wanted to write...
would the evo 3d pick up LTE or is it wimax only?
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would the evo 3d pick up LTE or is it wimax only?
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Wimax only, I'm pretty sure.
I hope they still plan on upgrading to WiMAX 2, that we will actually be able to take advantage of. If they do that and widen the channels like they were talking about we could get speeds that are close to those of LTE Advanced.
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I hope they still plan on upgrading to WiMAX 2, that we will actually be able to take advantage of. If they do that and widen the channels like they were talking about we could get speeds that are close to those of LTE Advanced.
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I hope so too. Just wondering where Clearwire is getting the money to do all this. I could have sworn that they were broke.
Clearwire is heading towards TD-LTE, later upgrading to LTE-Advanced. They are not immediately going towards the latter. Clearwire also didn't chose to use Sprint's Network Vision, short reason being negotiations tactic. Smart move though without Sprint's funding, they are not deploying this network. That subliminal jab at LS shows that they are tight about that move, so the saga continues.......
On the 2.5 frequency...smh what a waste.
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On the 2.5 frequency...smh what a waste.
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Yeah, it makes me think that the desire for "LTE" is for nothing more than marketing...cuz WiMAX and LTE on the same frequencies will yield nearly identical results in practical application. I'm a bigger fan of the WiMAX protocol since it's essentially a burly version of WiFi which itself is a very mature protocol...though in everyday use (on the same frequencies, mind you) they have essentially the same results....I'm sure high-up tech guys at Clearwire (and Sprint for that matter) know all about this...and I'd hate to think that management-bloat is so pervasive at such large companies that technical merit would lose out versus some marketoid who thinks that LTE (regardless of implementation) is obvious the thing we need--even if for nothing more than the ability to say the letters L, T and E in advertising.....but perhaps I'm being idealistic.
...but it sure seems like that. WiMAX on Verizons spectrum would spank the **** out of LTE on Sprint/Clearwire's spectrum....the protocol is nearly a moot point...but that really seems lost on these people. I mean, even as a stop-gap measure this seems utterly pointless except for marketing...
This is bullsh** for me. I just bought 3vo and its wimax and I have 4g no where near me! doubt ill ever see the good 4g life. And I live in metro detroit! Verizon has 4g everywhere!
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This is bullsh** for me. I just bought 3vo and its wimax and I have 4g no where near me! doubt ill ever see the good 4g life. And I live in metro detroit! Verizon has 4g everywhere!
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There is no "good 4g life".... Sprint has 4G everywhere but it can barely make it across the street...
4g is basically useless around Detroit.
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There is no "good 4g life".... Sprint has 4G everywhere but it can barely make it across the street...
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I have had the epic since it came out, bought this retail. And still no 4G around me at all! No where near me! Its all the way up in Grand Rapids! There is absolutely no 4G in michigan! I doubt they will have 4G where I live by end of year. And where I live everyone has sprint or verizon! A lot of sprint users! And verizon has 4g lte everywhere around me! they have it everywhere in michigan too! I read sprint has like 68 wimax markets in usa, vzw has more just in MI. SMH sprint, smh!
If people can't tell the difference between WiMax limit of 5MHz, to Clear using 20MHz towards their LTE, then this conversation is dead in the water. It's no comparison when it comes to speeds, and I was already a witness to their real life speeds. Indoor signal should be a little bit better, but 2.5MHz is 2.5MHz. As of right now, Sprint and Clearwire only have a deal on the table for WiMax, which isn't moving. They are not a part of Sprint's Network Vision, so this news doesn't have nothing to do with Sprint and it's subscribers. Sprint is still the only one who didn't officially announce the switch to LTE, and they are dealing with a broke company who can't fend for themselves. They need to completely buy Clearwire before it's too late.
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So LTE is replacing Wimax?
unfortunately
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How is that unfortunate?
LTE is faster and they won't kill WiMax for a while so you have plenty of time for you upgrade to an LTE device.
Awesome. I thought they were going to force me to upgrade again. I'd be like, ''Damn, I just got this!''
I agree that LTE is faster than Wimax but i also know that the Wimax network never got to see a full well established deployment.
Wimax could of been much better than what it is, but I just think it came in to late (like everything in this country regarding cell phone technology does) and not enought time and money was put in to it.
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How is that unfortunate?
LTE is faster and they won't kill WiMax for a while so you have plenty of time for you upgrade to an LTE device.
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because of this
megabiteg said:
I agree that LTE is faster than Wimax but i also know that the Wimax network never got to see a full well established deployment.
Wimax could of been much better than what it is, but I just think it came in to late (like everything in this country regarding cell phone technology does) and not enought time and money was put in to it.
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wimax is a better technology, however, only sprint has wimax and has it on a bad frequency, if wimax was on a lower frequency you would see much better signal and penetration. Because verizon and at&t have better backbone they can provide faster speeds to their towers and so they gave LTE a better name in the consumer market, it has nothing to do with the technology but unfortunately sprint has to get the consumers to buy into their service and when the consumer see's that LTE gets better speeds (regardless of why) then sprint has to sell the consumer LTE to stay with the pack.
Wimax can offer faster speeds and more connections per tower but it is limited by sprint and the terrible speeds that sprint offers the towers. Do Not expect to get great speeds with sprint LTE as it will be just as slow as the wimax when the number of lte phones gets to be as high as the wimax phones on the sprint network.
Wimax had great speeds before the Evo 4g was released, just as you see the screen shots of sprint's LTE speeds. also dont forget that verizon lte had great speeds when it first came out but their speeds are similar to sprint's wimax now.
tl;dr wimax>LTE, sprint sucks right now, beer is good
Sprint did give wimax a bad name cause it's sucks big time. I'm in a "well covered" 4G area and good luck driving down the road keeping a signal. It's total crap & is completely worthless. Who cares if LTE is faster, wimax speeds would be totally fine if it could actually stay connected. What good is it if your phone can never stay connected to it. I'm hoping once Sprint lights up LTE I can actually stay connected to it without it cutting in and out all the time interrupting my music with buffering.
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How is that unfortunate?
LTE is faster and they won't kill WiMax for a while so you have plenty of time for you upgrade to an LTE device.
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OMG LTE is NOT Faster than WiMax. Verizon's current LTE is faster than Sprint/Clear's WiMax but that does NOT in any way mean LTE is faster than WiMax b/c that is far from the truth.
speed depends on a ton of other things not just the general tech behind the protocol.
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wimax is a better technology, however, only sprint has wimax and has it on a bad frequency, if wimax was on a lower frequency you would see much better signal and penetration. Because verizon and at&t have better backbone they can provide faster speeds to their towers and so they gave LTE a better name in the consumer market, it has nothing to do with the technology but unfortunately sprint has to get the consumers to buy into their service and when the consumer see's that LTE gets better speeds (regardless of why) then sprint has to sell the consumer LTE to stay with the pack.
Wimax can offer faster speeds and more connections per tower but it is limited by sprint and the terrible speeds that sprint offers the towers. Do Not expect to get great speeds with sprint LTE as it will be just as slow as the wimax when the number of lte phones gets to be as high as the wimax phones on the sprint network.
Wimax had great speeds before the Evo 4g was released, just as you see the screen shots of sprint's LTE speeds. also dont forget that verizon lte had great speeds when it first came out but their speeds are similar to sprint's wimax now.
tl;dr wimax>LTE, sprint sucks right now, beer is good
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My friends LTE device did 26k in SC in a non metropolatin zone. I was like.. **** ME
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How is that unfortunate?
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Technically, WiMax is the 'faster' technology. Realistically, though, not so much.
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My friends LTE device did 26k in SC in a non metropolatin zone. I was like.. **** ME
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26kb or 26mb?
if the first, there is something wrong. if the second then he must be in a very low saturation area. I've seen tests up to 40 something mb/s with Verizon lte before the thunderbolt came out.
I've also seen 20 something mb with Wimax done in a populated area ie Houston by a photon. it depends on how many are connected and utilizing the bandwidth.
if be blown away if i saw more than 10 on mine
Apparently some GNex users in Athens, GA have a live LTE tower... Let's hope this holds up...
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oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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It runs like what you speak of. Not only a gsm thing. My dads verizon Droid Razr works same way too.
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JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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Great question... With 4G, it didn't even feel like a mobile data connection... Hopefully LTE auto-searches and quickly connects while using the same or less battery.
Also, everyone, the 30mb/s won't stay for long... Once more towers are active and more lte phones are available, which is probably this summer, speeds will be down again.
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It runs like what you speak of. Not only a gsm thing. My dads verizon Droid Razr works same way too.
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Hmm so you have to search for it on Verizon LTE devices as well?!
It is most likely a placebo but I never use 4G because of the fact I feel as if it is like a wifi that can go away or weaken in reception depending on where I go...I like the GSM way of handling 3.5G/4G
*I have had T-Mobile for 6 years, just currently switched to a iPhone 4S with sprint in January...regretting it :|
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
OMG... That's even faster than my router.
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JaY iZz BaKk said:
Hmm so you have to search for it on Verizon LTE devices as well?!
It is most likely a placebo but I never use 4G because of the fact I feel as if it is like a wifi that can go away or weaken in reception depending on where I go...I like the GSM way of handling 3.5G/4G
*I have had T-Mobile for 6 years, just currently switched to a iPhone 4S with sprint in January...regretting it :|
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No, LOL. It auto switches and connects like 1x and 3g do... That iPhone is probably the issue though.
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mike.r.olson said:
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
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5 mbps down on CDMA? Good luck. Sprint isn't just upgrading to LTE. They are doing a huge overhaul of their 3G network using lots of options including massively improved backhaul. From the speed tests I've seen in network vision areas so far, their 3G network should be on par with verizons network as far as speed goes. Coverage will be improved by about 20% as well. I agree they should upgrade to EVDO revision B, although I'm not sure what upgrades would be involved in that.
Back on the topic of the first post though, hot damn. I know speeds will drop once more people start using it, but those are impressive initial results.
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5 mbps down on CDMA? Good luck. Sprint isn't just upgrading to LTE. They are doing a huge overhaul of their 3G network using lots of options including massively improved backhaul. From the speed tests I've seen in network vision areas so far, their 3G network should be on par with verizons network as far as speed goes. Coverage will be improved by about 20% as well. I agree they should upgrade to EVDO revision B, although I'm not sure what upgrades would be involved in that.
Back on the topic of the first post though, hot damn. I know speeds will drop once more people start using it, but those are impressive initial results.
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From the little bit I've read about EV-DO revision B, it wouldn't involve any hardware upgrades. It would only involve a "firmware upgrade", if I remember it correctly. But yeah, 30+ Mb/s down is pretty sick. Even after "full-spectrum saturation", if we could get 10Mb/s in half of their 3G footprint, I'd be satisfied.
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Great question... With 4G, it didn't even feel like a mobile data connection... Hopefully LTE auto-searches and quickly connects while using the same or less battery.
Also, everyone, the 30mb/s won't stay for long... Once more towers are active and more lte phones are available, which is probably this summer, speeds will be down again.
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That is the reason that Sprint is only advertising speeds on LTE just below what Verizon is advertising. For the most part people in unsaturated markets will see speeds exceeding 20Mbps down on a good day. And those speeds may even hold up that high once Sprint starts releasing LTE on 800MHz next year as well. And according to some stuff that people have gotten access to, Sprint will be setting up phones to dynamically switch between LTE on 800, 1900, & 2500 so as to keep cell sites from being over-burdened. It will be a while before Sprint's LTE starts to suffer from over-crowding.
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mike.r.olson said:
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
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Sprint last fall flat out stated that they are not going to roll out EV-DO B. Network Vision will max out the capabilities of EV-DO A while they roll-out LTE on 1900 and 800. After that is complete and LTE Advanced is rolling out, they will be able to start taking existing 1900 EV-DO carriers and transition them to LTE as well. I expect that eventually, EV-DO will be phased out for a completely IP-based voice network using VoLTE. And Sprint is even releasing some devices with SVDO on EV-DO A so you can talk and surf at the same time until LTE is covering their entire network footprint.
JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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Looking at the viper 4g lte options it seems there is no "on-off" setting for 4g lte. Looks like it will just be there. My area doesn't have lte yet so I can't be positive but I definately could not find a 4g setting of any kind
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I'll say it over and over again. Sprint doesn't have a 4G network. Also, Verizon has 50+M down and 12+M up
Then again, at this point in time who needs more than 3-4M down. just upgrade to rev-b and done.
This is a common thing for my WiMAX at the house but WiMAX is so freaking glitchy.
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This is typical WiMAX in my area.
1900mhz is going to be set up 5x5, but no confirmation if 800 and 2.5 will be set up on 5x5 though. More than likely they will be set up on 10x10 since there is a ****load more spectrum on there, especially 2.5GHz. There is 120mhz of spectrum in the 2.5GHz frequency that Clearwire owns.
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From the little bit I've read about EV-DO revision B, it wouldn't involve any hardware upgrades. It would only involve a "firmware upgrade", if I remember it correctly. But yeah, 30+ Mb/s down is pretty sick. Even after "full-spectrum saturation", if we could get 10Mb/s in half of their 3G footprint, I'd be satisfied.
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and yet a year later i am gettn 38 mbs down