if the new version of gingerbread comes out, i doubt that the camera would have support on our x10s, i think that sony ericsson will just give up on developing the gingerbread for our devices, cause the apps would be out dated due to the only use of the new.apk files that will have new parsing ways due to the honeycomb app support, i bought my x10 outright for 700 bucks and i would be reallly pissed off if they delay the update to 2.3 as they did to 2.1 when 2.2 was already out, i paid for a high end device and the stopped supporting us untll we heard about the 2.3 generic update that we where receiving, im very angry with them for just leaving us in the dust, when the x8 even has more support than our devices, if this happens, i want the x10 community to make a complaint to make sure that sony ericsson never is allowed to make a nexus device cause it seems to me that they just screwed us over with the x10. and it seems to me when they released the neo, arc and play, that they are wanting something, and if their developers couldnt handle making a device with a single core processor, how are they gonna support a dual core processor in a phone, they screwed up once and if i dont get an update past 2.3 because they started off with an outdated software in the beginning, this phone seems to be just a problem device, and why should anyone support them in the future, lets make sure if that they cant handle our phone, that they cannot handle a developers phone. lets complain as a group to the google developers, cause this is ridiculous, expensive device, problems and hardships = me as a customer very angry at a company, disappointment in the past is always a bad rep for the company, i do believe that google pics their nexus devices with the amount of success with the phone and the arc was like the second gingerbread device released. so most to sell because its a pretty awesome phone, there trying to prove that they can do it, but not support a high end phone, us as the community of x10 owners, can do this if its big enough
jesus dude, that is one gigantic run on sentence...
The truth of the matter is that all things in the end die. The X10 has reached that point in the eyes of SE. Unfortunately, support for the X10 will be more than likely dead after the update. SE will be shifting focus on new phones and development. It is sad, but let's face it. Did SE continue updating the Xperia X1 after a year? Nope. I bought that thing for $800 and it broke 3 times on me in less than a year. Your $700 you used to buy the X10 was the price you paid to live on bleeding edge of fashion/technology. It is incredible that the X10 will even get 2.3 update. Also, do you know what is the difference between 2.4 and 2.3 is? Rumors are they are one and the same. With the Gingerbread update, our phones will be relevant for another 6months to a year (probably extended due to new custom roms). So in the end, be happy, enjoy the ride and get bigger better phone once it comes out.
i wanted a bigger phone, thats why i got the x10, the potentials of this device are endless. and with experimenting with the custom roms theres multiple problems. the number one problem is the camera, and then wlod reboots, i try to develop but i cant do it, i remember back in the days with my HTC Dream and Magic that they made them so customizable now sony wont even unlock our bootloaders. but they will unlock their new devices seems pointless, it would make life a whole lot easier if it was unlocked, but no we have to find different solutions, i wanted to keep this phone because it has a developers potential and in my opinion was one of the best phones at the time just before samsung released the galaxy s devices, in all of this, this phone had so much potential, and all that potential is down the drain
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Actually sir... there was two periods and it is therefore 3 run on sentences. Lol.
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Yes, this is a high end device, but in the world of smartphones, nothing lasts forever. I'm actually very surprised we even received 2.3.3. If a smartphone is out today, by tomorrow it will be old news. This is the new generation of smartphones sadly.
im 16 give it up if you look at multiple devices, alot are still receiving updates like the galaxy s devices. they started off with 2.1 and they received froyo, man froyo is the bomb, its my favorite android yet, i even like it more than gingerbread cause i find it more cleaner, i like all of android, but i think my next choice wont be sony ericsson, probably a Motorola atrix cause that thing is purely amazing, just playing with one instore, it makes me drool. Motorola has a really good track record so i think that they will be the next nexus holders, they definatly will be the tablet developer device holder for the first one whatever they will call it, and if they can pull off a huge 10 inch qHD display. peace ipad 2 but then apple will come out with SUPER BIGMASSSIVE RETNA DISPLAY CAN YOU SEE THE TEXT CLEARLY APPLE falling behind slackers
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im 16 give it up if you look at multiple devices, alot are still receiving updates like the galaxy s devices. they started off with 2.1 and they received froyo, man froyo is the bomb, its my favorite android yet, i even like it more than gingerbread cause i find it more cleaner, i like all of android, but i think my next choice wont be sony ericsson, probably a Motorola atrix cause that thing is purely amazing, just playing with one instore, it makes me drool. Motorola has a really good track record so i think that they will be the next nexus holders, they definatly will be the tablet developer device holder for the first one whatever they will call it, and if they can pull off a huge 10 inch qHD display. peace ipad 2 but then apple will come out with SUPER BIGMASSSIVE RETNA DISPLAY CAN YOU SEE THE TEXT CLEARLY APPLE falling behind slackers
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The Retina Display is not as great as you think it is. You will only have no pixels when your letters are very tiny or pictures... I wouldn't buy for that a motorola. Ever a motorola or lg is never a motorola or lg again. Just suckish companies, no support and phones fail. My lg and motorola were in one month gone. My x10 is still looking very new after more then 7 months of heavy use!
Brandon mckinney? From atlanta ga? You the guitar kid?
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im 16 give it up if you look at multiple devices, alot are still receiving updates like the galaxy s devices. they started off with 2.1 and they received froyo, man froyo is the bomb, its my favorite android yet, i even like it more than gingerbread cause i find it more cleaner, i like all of android, but i think my next choice wont be sony ericsson, probably a Motorola atrix cause that thing is purely amazing, just playing with one instore, it makes me drool. Motorola has a really good track record so i think that they will be the next nexus holders, they definatly will be the tablet developer device holder for the first one whatever they will call it, and if they can pull off a huge 10 inch qHD display. peace ipad 2 but then apple will come out with SUPER BIGMASSSIVE RETNA DISPLAY CAN YOU SEE THE TEXT CLEARLY APPLE falling behind slackers
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I dunno. I think that I would go with a new Galaxy SII when it comes out on a ATT frequency. I almost bought a Galaxy the last time, but the ergonomics and the bad GPS kept me away but I hungered for the 16G internal storage and the 1G ram, which are worse shortcomings of the X10, IMHO. I'm on 2.1, and I'm awaiting GB, and we'll see how it goes. Can't be bothered changing roms every day/week. Even with my contacts backed up, the market remembering all the apps I had/have, it's too much of a PITA to keep screwing around with it.
The atrix has some bad tech reviews, but it's certainly a fantastic concept and the second time around, it will be much better (with a quad core ;-) ).
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I dunno. I think that I would go with a new Galaxy SII when it comes out on a ATT frequency. I almost bought a Galaxy the last time, but the ergonomics and the bad GPS kept me away but I hungered for the 16G internal storage and the 1G ram, which are worse shortcomings of the X10, IMHO. I'm on 2.1, and I'm awaiting GB, and we'll see how it goes. Can't be bothered changing roms every day/week. Even with my contacts backed up, the market remembering all the apps I had/have, it's too much of a PITA to keep screwing around with it.
The atrix has some bad tech reviews, but it's certainly a fantastic concept and the second time around, it will be much better (with a quad core ;-) ).
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yeah ill probably wait, i dont need a phone really untill when i can use it as a full laptop, Quad core would be amazing, 1.2ghz How undervolted would that thing be,
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Brandon mckinney? From atlanta ga? You the guitar kid?
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no im from canada, theres alot of people named after the exact same name as me, but i spell mine different from most, with an e before the n instaad of o
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if the new version of gingerbread comes out, i doubt that the camera would have support on our x10s, i think that sony ericsson will just give up on developing the gingerbread for our devices, cause the apps would be out dated due to the only use of the new.apk files that will have new parsing ways due to the honeycomb app support, i bought my x10 outright for 700 bucks and i would be reallly pissed off if they delay the update to 2.3 as they did to 2.1 when 2.2 was already out, i paid for a high end device and the stopped supporting us untll we heard about the 2.3 generic update that we where receiving, im very angry with them for just leaving us in the dust, when the x8 even has more support than our devices, if this happens, i want the x10 community to make a complaint to make sure that sony ericsson never is allowed to make a nexus device cause it seems to me that they just screwed us over with the x10. And it seems to me when they released the neo, arc and play, that they are wanting something, and if their developers couldnt handle making a device with a single core processor, how are they gonna support a dual core processor in a phone, they screwed up once and if i dont get an update past 2.3 because they started off with an outdated software in the beginning, this phone seems to be just a problem device, and why should anyone support them in the future, lets make sure if that they cant handle our phone, that they cannot handle a developers phone. Lets complain as a group to the google developers, cause this is ridiculous, expensive device, problems and hardships = me as a customer very angry at a company, disappointment in the past is always a bad rep for the company, i do believe that google pics their nexus devices with the amount of success with the phone and the arc was like the second gingerbread device released. So most to sell because its a pretty awesome phone, there trying to prove that they can do it, but not support a high end phone, us as the community of x10 owners, can do this if its big enough
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dude! Chill!
You got xda! I believe apart from camera, xda will do a wonderful job in making a better rom for it! Chill
you need to calm down lol cant expect se to bring updates out forever im happy with 2.2 personally
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Chill....
Your phone will be out of date....
Deal with it.
I think a lot of angst is created because of the 'mighty 1GHz' processor in the x10, people assume that is is nearly as fast as the current-gen snapdragons etc. It isn't. The graphics are sub-par and the memory is slow. Sure the x10 is fast and can keep up nicely with its own generation of devices but it is not 'new'.
Recently Google have been changing their attitude to releasing honeycomb to tablet manufacturers and guess what, many devices are not going to be compatible. Take the Advent Vega tablet, packing a first-gen Tegra 2 processor, its not going to be officially supported, so there will not be proper hardware acceleration for the interface and probably only sdk builds of honeycomb.
Dang...
Google are changing the way they release their operating systems and changing the requirements for manufacturers to get the latest official build of their software. This is going to help with fragmentation and give a more consistent experience across devices. They are also aiming for a longer release cycle on each version of android. As ice cream is going to be based heavily on honeycomb, I would think that Google would add similar restrictions and it is likely that the snapdragon in the x10 would not be supported, if so, neither would the nexus 1 or the desire etc.
There is nothing Sony can do about this, sure they made mistakes with the x10, but hey, they have promised us gingerbread and have given us dual touch. If you look at the ark, play etc, SE seems to have taken alot of peoples views into account and have realised that if they don't give the absolute bleeding edge version of android people will whine and ***** that they don't have flash or apps2sd or the biggest release number. If you care, root, flash a rom, install apps2sd, whatever you want to do. If you care, you can do something about it.
And finally about the bootloader, the devs have found ways around it and are giving us fresh kernels, I would not completely write off SE's argument that it is licensing issues as these can make a huge difference and complicate the process - A process that is SE's porogative anyway. Even on my Nokia n800, one of the most open devices, Nokia had decided that it didn't want to pay the licence to Imagination Technologies for use of the PowerVR graphics on the SoC's it bought, hence, no graphics coprocessor...
I think Sony gets too much flak, sure it took ages for 2.1, and it is taking a while for gingerbread, but the phone works, solid as a rock in fact and it only crashes because I have seriously fk'd around with the settings, I can deal with that. My phone is out of date, but I don't care, I am a tinkerer and I can make it do everything I need, I am looking forward to gingerbread as I love the camera too much on stock, but I have jit, link2sd, barnacle wifi tether and all sorts of other mods. Gingerbread will be great, and will definitely tide me over to my next dual core Ice cream toting superphone..... when it comes out...
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@tomh235, what a wonderful post man, u just truly explain what android is all about let me explain.
I was once an iphone fiend, stuck with my 3gs, jailbreaked, and it bricked due to mods that i've tryed, I wanted to upgrade to the iphone 4 and couldn't cuz it was reserved for new customers first, I tryied through many ways and it was almost like the contract I was about 2 sign was saying "in exchange of your unborn child". People around me was trying everything 2 get an iphone 4 and when I had a look at this, I was like that's it, what else. The seller was saying "its a revolution in the smartphone world and bla bla bla". When I look at the androids, he couldn't tell me nothing about it. So I dare myself with the xperia x10. I should have read more about the phone before getting one though lol but Ive learned so much bout computers, technology, linux, im no dev but a good tester/user. I will never go back to an iphone promise.
What i wanna send as a statement is that if you are the kind of people that always go to your carrier cuz your phone isn't snappy from time to time or really need regular updates and baby like support,stick to your iOs that works good for most people. If your the kind of user that isn't scare of tweaking, searching for mods, get an android. There so much different phones, OS, features, roms. Nothing 2 bored about. Xperia x10 is okay on froyo, waiting for official gingerbread, no regret about my 3GS that i replaced the screen and sold it 400$ loll iphone fiends.
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Like some others I'm getting a little tired of my x10, not going to go into details about this.
BUT, I read somewhere that people are beginning to be able to run android - 2.1, 2.2, even saw 3.0 somewhere (might have been fake) - on their HD2 devices. It also seems like this is something that is improving at a constant rate.
Now, my question is, how competent would the hd2, running android, be as a replacement to the x10 (tbh to me it seems like there won't be much change with 2.1 for x10)? How do they compare hardware wise?
Anyone got any info on this?
thanks ahead of time
For one... 3.0 doesn't exist.
As they compare hardware wise, the HD2 has a 4.3 inch screen, does it not? To me, that's a little too large for a phone. (The X10 is already huge at 4 inches).
Otherwise, if you wanna move to an HD2 running a hacked version of Android when the similarly sized, but much more powerful Desire HD is coming out, more power to you.... I'd choose to not be stuck with "older" hardware if I were going to change phones six months after buying a different one.
I have previously owned an HD2. While, yes, you can run Android, it's not ideal. First of all, it does not have the ability to load Android in ROM. It runs it in a dual-boot mode and Android runs off the SD card. The presents a few issues and compromises of it's own. This also opens the door to some serious corruption of the device reboots or the SD card is accidentally removed while it is running.
I wouldn't recommend this at all.
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For one... 3.0 doesn't exist.
As they compare hardware wise, the HD2 has a 4.3 inch screen, does it not? To me, that's a little too large for a phone. (The X10 is already huge at 4 inches).
Otherwise, if you wanna move to an HD2 running a hacked version of Android when the similarly sized, but much more powerful Desire HD is coming out, more power to you.... I'd choose to not be stuck with "older" hardware if I were going to change phones six months after buying a different one.
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I'm aware that the htc desire hd would probably be the best choice. But the thing is, I purschased the x10 while it was brand new for around 600£, so I'm not willing to pay for a new pricey high-end phone just yet. However, I thought that I would be able to find someone willing to swap my x10 for a hd2, one for one (I wouldn't lose more money, and I would still get a new experience with a new phone running 2.2).
And regarding the size I actually think the bigger the better (TWSS..).
Any ideas on how the two phones compare in raw hardware though?
why don't you just read the specs on gsmarena or something...
http://htcdesire-hd.blogspot.com/2010/09/desire-hd-free-map-app.html
look there, a hd2 is running the htc desire hd rom. It seems relatively stable!
HD2 is a good phone with no design. HTC is not a phone designer to me. I had it when it was running WM and then ported 2.1 and 2.2 and then I moved to X10. They are sort of stable but not flawless. Hd2 is sort of big and out of proportion. Hardware specs are good but if you are willing to spend the money and move to HTC(if design doesn't bother you) I recommend to wait for the HTC HD.
You have put-up with SE for a while and if you wait for a month or so you will have 2.1.
If you are a geek and like to flash new stuff twice a day and play with them with less battery, go for it or wait for something that at least is running android originally.
I really like the HD2 running winmo alone....would I trade my X10 for it? That would depend on how much better 2.1 is gonna be.....pretty much I'm down to the fact that 2.1 will make or break the X10 for a lot of people. If 2.1 isn't that much better even after this delay ill trade it in a heartbeat for an HD2..however if 2.1 proves to be worth the wait...HD2 can kiss my ass. As for the desire hd I think id give up my X10 and an HD2 for it...that thing is gonna be a beast!
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I really like the HD2 running winmo alone....would I trade my X10 for it? That would depend on how much better 2.1 is gonna be.....pretty much I'm down to the fact that 2.1 will make or break the X10 for a lot of people. If 2.1 isn't that much better even after this delay ill trade it in a heartbeat for an HD2..however if 2.1 proves to be worth the wait...HD2 can kiss my ass. As for the desire hd I think id give up my X10 and an HD2 for it...that thing is gonna be a beast!
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i was thinking the same thing and wm7 is coming out but i read somewhere there will not be a update for wm6.5 users to wm7 and when i was buying my x10 i really really was in two minds but i prefered x10 because of the upcoming update and the 16m colors and the Mt witch was going to be put in ...
Really wanna change ??
Forget HD2
Get a full Android phone, grown up from the ground as an Android phone
Ah, and search for one with Froyo out of the box
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i was thinking the same thing and wm7 is coming out but i read somewhere there will not be a update for wm6.5 users to wm7 and when i was buying my x10 i really really was in two minds but i prefered x10 because of the upcoming update and the 16m colors and the Mt witch was going to be put in ...
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The only people who said MT and 16m colors were going to be added to the phone were the people on this board.
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The only people who said MT and 16m colors were going to be added to the phone were the people on this board.
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+1 SE never made such statements.
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Definitely not worth even if HD2 is loaded with Android as the hardware is not as good as X10 like the battery which is still on 1230mah lithium ion battery and HD2 is only using 5MP camera while HD2 is on 8.1MP camera.
Even though Desire HD is out, it is still using the same battery as HD2 so the battery life will only have slight improvement though it is using an improved processor chip which consume less battery power.
In terms of hardware specs or technology, HTC is no way better than SE.
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The only people who said MT and 16m colors were going to be added to the phone were the people on this board.
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m8 i red it all over the network ... not only here and there was rummors and stuff and i was hoping to be true with the update ..but they r not so .... i`m very dissapointed to see the SE is **** and i only hope the devs here to be able to crack the bootloader and when 2.1 finaly came out there will be confirmation of is x10 support mt or not but i`m moving on with my life
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In terms of hardware specs or technology, HTC is no way better than SE.
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But in terms of software and support they are much much better and ahead and i think the combination of good hardware and very good support and software is much better successful than good hardware and poor support and software update ... and X10 is not so good made and stuff... my 1st was crap and restarted itself all the time and from the store they had to change it with my 2nd one ... i hope it will be better this time ...and anyway its a hardware ... anything can go wrong aswell the x10, htc, samsung and every device in the market nothing is forever .... excluding my e51 ))))))
Why wouldn't you just trade it for a proper Android phone like the HTC Desire? Sell your X10, then buy a used Desire. Both phones should be worth about the same amount of money.
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Why wouldn't you just trade it for a proper Android phone like the HTC Desire? Sell your X10, then buy a used Desire. Both phones should be worth about the same amount of money.
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Get a milestone 2 that's going to be a better phone. I reckon anyway but always wait for at least a month after a new phone comes out. So you can see what is the best for your needs, I've learnt my lesson from x10.
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But in terms of software and support they are much much better and ahead and i think the combination of good hardware and very good support and software is much better successful than good hardware and poor support and software update ... and X10 is not so good made and stuff... my 1st was crap and restarted itself all the time and from the store they had to change it with my 2nd one ... i hope it will be better this time ...and anyway its a hardware ... anything can go wrong aswell the x10, htc, samsung and every device in the market nothing is forever .... excluding my e51 ))))))
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You are right in some ways but you must remember that HTC provide firmware upgrade till a limit and basically those upgrades are to resolve those bugs which they have left out and not add in extra features.
I have used before HTC phones ranging from Diamond, Touch Pro, Diamond 2, Touch Pro 2 and finally HD2, it is a pain for every firmware upgrade as all my data will be gone and I have to backup before performing firmware upgrade. They should gather all the bugs or problems at one go and released one firmware instead of so many.
No matter how many firmware upgrades you have, the hardware limitation is there and this is a fact that you cannot do anything unless you change phone.
At least, I have a higher spec hardware and with software upgrade which is more flexible as you can add in extra features in the later part to enhance user's experience.
Basically, those are the different type of marketing strategy used by the two companies, end users have the choice to choose what phone to change or use and you have to try different brands of phones before you know each phone manufacturer's bad and good points.
Just sharing my experience as I have tried different phones before knowing which phone manufacturer suits me more and having better technology in their hardware.
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For the moment because i cant afford other phone i`m sticking with my X10 but in the future maybe next year or so i`ll defenetly no gonna buy a Se product and i`ll go with HTC ...this is what i think for the moment But anyway lets get back to the topic i think android is better for now than wm6.5 but not x10 android ... )
I just bought an HD2 because I found it dirt cheap (Telstra edition, works in Canada), but I'll be keeping my X10 until I figure out which one suits my needs better... (And that 2.1 will be out) I'll then sell the phone that has the least potential. The NAND edition of Android is supposed to be released soon though and dual boot is a really nice option... So we'll see which one comes out on top!
...that the Xperia X10 is officialy the flagship smartphone of sony ericsson.
How many of you are planning to keep it, at least until the end of this year?
Also, is it just me, or do I like the looks of the X10 better. Although it's a bit 'fat', I like the layout of the buttons and how it's less curved than the Arc. I also do like them a bit chubby
Anyway, long live the X10! Hopefully there will be some devs who stick with this phone and keep it getting better, but it's now the end of quite a crazy era for probably the most controversial android smartphone ever made.
going to stick with it for a while but doubt to have it till the end of the year
I will have to keep it till the end of the year Im 15 and bought a stupid phone... I readed many reviews that said this phone is great and WOULD GET MULTi tOUcH. It's Dual Touch, and that sucks. Afterall we didn't get any upgrades. But since the x10 gets gingerbread i'm going to bay end this year/begin next year another S.E.
S.E. her phones are just fully functional. All apps work, great functions, calling is really good. They make phones + services that make a phone something you can call a ''phone''.
Im gonna stay with it till next year, thx to the devs of xda that made that phone a good android phone that will be able to keep up with other androids such as desire, galaxys and nexus, hope sony will really keep their promise for gingerbread on x10, i doubt it but hey long live the x10
staying with it till it drops dead! can't find a reason why i shouldn't...does what it has to do till know..
I'm sure that I'll stick with X10 at least until 2013 lol.
The design is just beautiful and I don't splash cash every one or two year to "update" my phone
Same with many posts above.
I will use this phone for a long long time. I may even keep it as an antique 20 years from now as this phone had a meaning for me.
I had doubts with this phone before, but the devs made this phone great.
Like they made it less sluggish and just much more brilliant than when I first got it on 1.6. I got this phone the first day it came out and sticked with it until now because I was a big sony fan. (i'm not sure if i still am, as it was a wild ride from the first day)
Honestly, I don't see the point of owning the latest phone out anymore. I mean they purposely make these phone less than perfect so you will buy another phone every year or so. It's called planned obsolescence.
The X10 looks great, the camera is good and it has decent capabilities. I don't have an incentive to buy another new phone for another couple years.
Ive got my arc today! ;-)
i think we will really have everything we need in a phone with the X10 after the ginger upgrade
i don't see a need to "upgrade" and pay for a newer phone just because it's newer
reasons:
the camera is not that much better, if better at all
bigger screen (and bigger phone) than 4" is a CON for me...
i think the X10 has a very good screen even with 65K colors (and that may change with GB update)
full multitouch - hm...i don't even use the dual touch and when i do, i use it on games and that works just fine
512mb of ram over 384mb - doesn't really make a difference, at least not on gingerbread
WiFi hotspot - barnacle works just fine and i think with GB it'll be native
front camera - not usable where i live so thanks...
Faster cpu/gpu - OK, MAYBE this will be one noticeable difference but still, i think when our devs polish SE's GB it'll be within 5% speed difference in real usability, maybe not in benchmarks, but i don't play benchmarks
i don't really use HDMI (nor do i have a TV for that matter)
i don't care about built in radio
we will also have flash on x10 with GB update
i don't know if i missed anything but that about sums it up that FOR ME, the new features are not needed so for now i'll stay on x10
I voted for option #2, but I'm getting the Galaxy s2 after summer, depending on how good the 2.3 upgrade is really
I was thinking of going to the Incredible S or Optimus 3d but with the X10 getting gingerbread and SE offering a version with an unlocked bootloader, I'll be getting neither the S or 3D and sticking with SE.
With that said, the Arc and Neo don't offer enough for me to replace the X10 (only considered the S because of its 768 mb ram, front cam, and rear cam that comes close to the X10 but not enough of an upgrade either).
I'll wait for SE to bring out a dual core scorpion or a single core Krait (with adreno 3xx series).
What makes this even more difficult for me is the whole AT&T and TMO-USA status. Are they going to share 3g towers (tmo users able to use ATT's 3g bands?). It would be hard to justify 5-600$ for a phone just for it to be useless on 3g the following year. The only pentaband devices I know so far are Nokia's S^3.
I will keep my x10 until my region gets covered with LTE, then i will change phone.
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No reason to upgrade, the phone does what I need it to do, except be able to make calls in loud places!
I really don't see any reason to upgrade.
Granted, if I had money to spare, I'd certainly be tempted.
But if you combine my current unemployment with the upcoming GB update...
my X10 still has a long life ahead!
Getting the latest Google version officially from SE is plain AWESOME.
I do appreciate the effort put in custom ROMs and I have tried a handful of them,
but I believe that my device is at its full potential only on official firmwares
(at least until the bootloader gets cracked/bypassed).
i choose option 3!!
i'm actually looking to pass the x10 on to my wife, and get myself a Desire HD. there is just something about that 4.3" screen that is tempting me
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How many of you are planning to keep it, at least until the end of this year?
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I definitely won't have X10 till end of year as too many great toys will explode before then.
Somehow, I seem to have preference for SE designs but only Arc looks good of the 4 new SE phones that are announced. Arc has very little to offer in terms of hardware improvements over X10. That to me is a big let down by SE. Maybe, they are not targeting these new phones for current X10 user base. These new models might be more to attract new customers towards SE by keeping the phone price low.
I wish Arc had the specs of Galaxy S2. I might still end up falling for Arc when I get to see it in person but that is only because of larger screen and sleek design. Or I might go low and buy Galaxy S2.
Did anyone try Samsung Focus? I thought the 5MP camera on it actually takes much better pictures than our X10. I am hoping Galaxy S2 might also be having a camera as good as Arc if not better.
Guys, the BOOTLOADER HAS BEEN CRACKED
This means that the X10 CAN AND WILL be as smooth and as functional as the Xperia Arc! This is AMAZING!
I WILL be sticking with my X10 until 2013-2014, or until there's a major update that will revolutionize phones. The X10 is as good as any 2011 single core phone, and is cheaper, and still has a great fanbase.
Long live the X10!
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Guys, the BOOTLOADER HAS BEEN CRACKED
This means that the X10 CAN AND WILL be as smooth and as functional as the Xperia Arc! This is AMAZING!
I WILL be sticking with my X10 until 2013-2014, or until there's a major update that will revolutionize phones. The X10 is as good as any 2011 single core phone, and is cheaper, and still has a great fanbase.
Long live the X10!
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the bootloader hasn't been cracked, it's been bypassed...
kantk20111 said:
Guys, the BOOTLOADER HAS BEEN CRACKED
This means that the X10 CAN AND WILL be as smooth and as functional as the Xperia Arc! This is AMAZING!
I WILL be sticking with my X10 until 2013-2014, or until there's a major update that will revolutionize phones. The X10 is as good as any 2011 single core phone, and is cheaper, and still has a great fanbase.
Long live the X10!
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yesterday my provider gave me a great deal on Iphone 4 - 32 gb, extent my contract for another 2 years and get Iphone for free + usb moderm + 5gb data for just 49$. I decided sell it to my wife's friend for 850$ and stick with X10 cuz it has all what I need and want for my work and study. there're only thing I miss that wifi tethering and hopefuly it'll be fixed on upcoming GB.
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the bootloader hasn't been cracked, it's been bypassed...
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What is the difference, in terms of what can be implemented ? (I really don't know, I'm hoping you do)
Hi all,
I ask this question now as I wait for a dev. of ICS for my phone to progress.
Before I bought my phone, I read a review saying that it was one Android version behind but to the reviewer, the version numbers are over-hyped and in reality the phone was great. I should say I bought the phone in August 2010 and it was released May/June that year.
Even reading this, being in this forum, we're a part of a very small per centage of people who understand anything that goes on here, or even the title of this thread. I don't mean that in a -we're brilliant- way, rather that most of us are a little tech-crazy. But do we take it too far? Does 4.0 make your mouth water but 2.1 bores you?
Are there some real benefits to the newer versions? Yes, sure. A few more features, sometimes faster UI, better battery times. I have heard of a few phones out there which had significant benefits and very popular new features e.g. tethering, some camera stuff etc. But beyond this? There is a LOT of gimmicks, crap people like to show off to their friends and all of that, which bored me beyond the age of 20. I got my first phone aged 11. I've been getting phones a few times a year almost every year since. One mega-problem I have with these 'smartphones' is that there have been largely missing basic features which were in the 'feature phones' before them. They've been selling us half-featured phones and dribbling back the rest on 'updates'.
I mean this in a philosophical way - not a critical one. I'm not questioning the validity of this forum (or I wouldn't be here ) and I hope that's clear. What do you all think?
Well?
your parents let you have a phone at 11? and then bought you more then one a year since? wow!
Now don't get the impression I'm desperately wealthy!!! My uncle worked in international business and gave me his old one. I remember even at 11 he mentioned things like 'it's not public yet but Ericsson and Sony are going to merge their mobile business' and I was already hooked on business. I bought I think every phone after that myself, no parents!
Every major release usually has an overall system performance improvement.
But other than that it seems to be a hyped up gimmick.
^^^^ That's precisesly what I've been coming to think. Who doesn't want slightly better memory management to improve battery, some features you use etc. but beyond that I'm afriad it's gimmick-central.
I have to add the psychological aspect of this and marketing particularly.
i agree since samsung swcred t-mobile with sidekick 4g with a subpar camera ,froyo , weak processor 1ghz(alot of lags), and no support , meanwhile 3 or 4 months later a bunch of phones comes with better specs at the 99 price range
Bought my phone with 2.1 installed. Used it like that for a week or so then updated to official 2.2. No difference at all.
Then came the 2.3.4. Everything is the same. Then 2.3.7. Same again.
I use my phone as a phone and a navigation device. So these updates do me no good. Release of Navigon for android was big news for me. I can't say the same thing for the 2.3.
Yeah that's pretty the same for me. The few updates I've had have at least speeded boot time and UI lag is less. It actually came with 1.6, upgraded to 2.1 and nothing since. There's a 2 year support for updates says Sony Ericsson, this was before the Google agreement. Like the guy above, an updated version of the phone was released 1 year later with incredible specs for much cheaper, but I paid a lot for it first time around.
I suppose people are used to upgrade their phones without really using them often.
Just wondering if anyone else is feeling like me, and getting tired of Android. Considering abandoning Android and moving to an iPhone or (maaaaybe) WP7.
Normally I would have never considered it. Like a year ago.
But two things happened...
1: I got an ipad2, and found out that I really enjoyed it.
2. My phone broke. Twice. First the motherboard, and then the touchscreen died. Ive had a total of 5 Android phones (mostly HTC and Samsung) two of those had minor issues, and this one, which basically became TWICE. it's not so much that the hardware breaks that bothers me. That can happen to any phone. What bothers me is the hours you spend on the phone, weeks you wait while it's being repaired, arguing with the phone company whether they should get you a new phone, and on and on and on. Contrast this with Apples customer service. You go to the Apple store, and many times they just give you a new phone if e problem is serious enough, or repeats itself.
And then there's Android itself. Don't get me wrong, I love Android. But there are some things that never really change. The occasional lag or choppy listview you still get with a dual core CPU (!) and mediocre battery life.
And the whole software and hardware upgrade circus...
I got a top of the line Evo3d phone last year, which was supposed to get upgraded to ICS relatively fast, and then a couple of weeks ago HTC all of a sudden made an announcement that pretty much said: "Screw you, Evo3D owners! We're updating other handsets first, so you'll have to wait at least till summertime to get an update!"
And nevermind that you can forget about software updates after a year (If youre very lucky, year and a half. Yes there are developer updates and ROMS, but really, I can't be bothered with it anymore)
The hardware situation is also frustrating. Your phone is outdated in less than a year, replaced by yet another faster flagship, that despite the higher specs only seems to be marginally faster.
Compare that to iPhones, that don't just work, but work well... And not only does a three year old iPhone 3GS STILL get updates to the latest version of iOS (Do you even remember the Android phone you had three years ago? Chances are the last OS update was 3 or 4 versions ago) and an almost two year old iPhone4 not only keeps its resale value really high, it still FEELS like a top of the line phone, able to keep up with today's flagships.
IOS and iPhones obviously arent perfect, and have their flaws too. And I'm still not sure if I'm going to jump ship (or maybe should try WP7) but has anyone else felt frustrated with the whole Android experience and have considered switching?
the occasional lag and stutter is due to the lack of hardware acceleration in gingerbread roms/apps. ICS should take care of that. Also you need to keep in mind that android is constantly improving. All these issues we have now will be corrected by google. Yes, i agree with you on our phones becoming outdated fast, but if that's an issue for you get a nexus phone.
I own an android tablet and an iphone 4 (company phone)
Maybe I would try win mobile but I would not get an iphone for personal use. To your point about the software updates you are not being fair. Ios updates are minor, largely bug fixes, and Ios is almost identical to its original form. Be careful what you wish for regarding 3 year old devices getting software updates. Ask someone with a iPhone 3g how ios 4 worked out for them. My wife had her iPhone 4 go back 3 times for major repairs and freezes occasionally needing to be hard rebooted so hardware problems are not just android issues. Battery life on the iPhone is horrible since ios 5.
Listen, if you like ios and the iPhone there is no issue with that. I do not find android lagier than ios, in fact my old Samsung captivate blows my iPhone 4 away speed wise. The iPad is a great device, I just can't warrent the cost for a device with no flash player.
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ive had 3 iphones. all together. and yes it is a great phone. just a quick summary. if the iphone drops, be prepared to spend lots of money. software wise i hardly faced much issues.IOS is very good and stable, but battery is realy bad.
im new to androids, and i like the fact that its constantly improving. and of course how everyting can be customized. on an iphone, its like apple owns the phone and not you. then u JB it, and still limitations will be there.
and IOS is kind of boring, hehe , android is a bit more fun.
im never sick of android. i would get an iphone but i don't really have the time to sit at starbucks and fake write stories on a macbook so i can look deep to women in their teens.
I see nothing that is the fault of Google's Android. Hardware issues are the fault of the manufacturer and should be covered under warranty. You can't blame an OS for hardware issues. Upgrades one again are the manufacturer's decision. You could make the argument that Android OEMs need to be let in earlier in development (similar to Windows) so that they can have upgrades out in a timely manner. But most of the upgrade stalling come from the stupid custom skins/launchers that OEMs feel the need to distribute. So don't get mad at Android when most of your problems are caused the the OEM.
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Just wondering if anyone else is feeling like me, and getting tired of Android. Considering abandoning Android and moving to an iPhone or (maaaaybe) WP7.
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2. My phone broke. Twice. First the motherboard, and then the touchscreen died. Ive had a total of 5 Android phones (mostly HTC and Samsung) two of those had minor issues, and this one, which basically became TWICE. it's not so much that the hardware breaks that bothers me. That can happen to any phone. What bothers me is the hours you spend on the phone, weeks you wait while it's being repaired, arguing with the phone company whether they should get you a new phone, and on and on and on. Contrast this with Apples customer service. You go to the Apple store, and many times they just give you a new phone if e problem is serious enough, or repeats itself.
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And the whole software and hardware upgrade circus...
I got a top of the line Evo3d phone last year, which was supposed to get upgraded to ICS relatively fast, and then a couple of weeks ago HTC all of a sudden made an announcement that pretty much said: "Screw you, Evo3D owners! We're updating other handsets first, so you'll have to wait at least till summertime to get an update!"
And nevermind that you can forget about software updates after a year (If youre very lucky, year and a half. Yes there are developer updates and ROMS, but really, I can't be bothered with it anymore)
The hardware situation is also frustrating. Your phone is outdated in less than a year, replaced by yet another faster flagship, that despite the higher specs only seems to be marginally faster.
Compare that to iPhones, that don't just work, but work well... And not only does a three year old iPhone 3GS STILL get updates to the latest version of iOS (Do you even remember the Android phone you had three years ago? Chances are the last OS update was 3 or 4 versions ago) and an almost two year old iPhone4 not only keeps its resale value really high, it still FEELS like a top of the line phone, able to keep up with today's flagships.
IOS and iPhones obviously arent perfect, and have their flaws too. And I'm still not sure if I'm going to jump ship (or maybe should try WP7) but has anyone else felt frustrated with the whole Android experience and have considered switching?
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Considered switching? No. I came from iPhone. I would never go back. Must address some things you said from my own personal experience...
RE: phone braking - I'm not sure what experience you've had with Apple, but I've *never* had them just replace a phone in the way that you are implying. Depending on the problem, you may have to send your phone away for repairs or possibly purchase a new one. Unless it is obvious that the problem is on their end, they don't just give you a new phone on the spot. You have to deal with the same discussions of why it's broken, what happened, multiple attempts to repair, blah blah blah. My *one* hard button stopped working for some time, and had to deal with going into the store 4 times and calling customer service repeatedly. It's every company. Can't avoid it.
RE: updates - Yes, they give updates to all phones... but they essentially only have ONE PHONE. Apple doesn't have the plethora of phone brands/types that Android does. So, yes, the iPhone 3 and iPhone 4 get updated with IOS 5. What happened with those updates? My iPhone nearly bricked. I was getting error messages that said that my iPhone "was not compatible" and could not update. It took my sister's iPhone 4 nearly 4 months to finally accept and install the update. Now that it's installed, her apps are FC'ing constantly, her phone freezes on a daily basis (and she can't just pull the battery, keep in mind), push notifications are not working (even though her settings are fine), and her phone dies within 4-5 hours. So... yeah. Not all sunshine and roses.
RE: phone outdated - iPhone 4 comes out, and months later Apple releases their "new phone," being the iPhone 4S. And yes, it's in quotes cause it's essentially the same phone with the addition of Siri. I was pissed at the time. My iPhone 4, which looks and feels and performs just like the brand new version, was now outdated because it didn't have a creepy chick that could talk. /bitterness. At least with Android, if your phone is outdated, it's because a truly new phone has been released - new look, new feel, new OS, new specs, new features, etc.
I get the Apple appeal. I do. I was there once. If you enjoy rooting, flashing custom roms, and having the opportunity to customize your phone, don't jump ship. Sure, you could jailbreak your iPhone, but then you'd just be able to change a couple of settings (ones that you can tailor on a Droid w/o rooting). However, if that stuff doesn't excite and drive you, and you just want a phone to stay stock, and just do basic functions, then maybe the iPhone is best for you. I thought it was fine until I realized I wanted to be able to do more. Just don't jump ship thinking that Apple is some magic company. You'll be disappointed. I was.
mcord11758 said:
I own an android tablet and an iphone 4 (company phone)
Maybe I would try win mobile but I would not get an iphone for personal use. To your point about the software updates you are not being fair. Ios updates are minor, largely bug fixes, and Ios is almost identical to its original form. Be careful what you wish for regarding 3 year old devices getting software updates. Ask someone with a iPhone 3g how ios 4 worked out for them. My wife had her iPhone 4 go back 3 times for major repairs and freezes occasionally needing to be hard rebooted so hardware problems are not just android issues. Battery life on the iPhone is horrible since ios 5.
Listen, if you like ios and the iPhone there is no issue with that. I do not find android lagier than ios, in fact my old Samsung captivate blows my iPhone 4 away speed wise. The iPad is a great device, I just can't warrent the cost for a device with no flash player.
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+10000... totally agree.
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im never sick of android. i would get an iphone but i don't really have the time to sit at starbucks and fake write stories on a macbook so i can look deep to women in their teens.
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Muahahaha this just made me LOL! Quite possibly one of the best comments I've read on XDA. I approve!
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Never get tired of Android . Came from WinMo to Android, and will never go back. As far as Apple and their precious Iphone . NO THANK YOU . Know several people ( Lots ) with everything from the original Iphone to the new Iphone 4S. Nothing but issues and situations. My one bud dropped his day old 4S from about three feet off the ground. Done . It practically shattered. But that's not a big deal take it in if you have insurance, and done. WRONG! Took it in and he got a refurb. Nothing but issues with it. Others I know treat their phones like it's made of crystal. they still have nothing but software issues. I'd say it was isolated, but I'm talking about 15 different people. Out of that group, only 4 have never had an issue with their phones. So IMO it's not worth it. But it's only my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.
i love android and would never abandon it. if u think that iPhone is better than u are so wrong. with iPhone u pay 100% more for 20% less. 65% parts in iPhone are from samsung.
Just don't jump ship thinking that Apple is some magic company. You'll be disappointed. I was.
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totally agree with u m8
i came from iphone -> winMo -> Android i have been using android devices for about 2 years and i can say i will not look back. Android has a great community with great people and devs
Android is the only one for me.. I had I phone 4s......crap lol boring same as the past iPhone's great for people that just want a phone really that dose a few things on the side games ..internet ..fb.. lol but that's about it great for my wife that not technically minded. Android you can customize .. from UI straight down to hardware. As I say each time SHEEP.....copy after copy .....
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Android is better but...
I think android is better, cause i love to costumize my phone hardly, but u know.. it always unstable lorr..
Maybe i need secondary phone like blackberry just to calling and texting.
I have iPhone 4S, iPad2 a well as an android tablet (tf101) and phone, dunno about WP but iOS has it's merits. Definitely smoother (not necessarily faster). However the small size and lack of 4g/widgets/everything is a deal breaker. Since getting ICS on my tablet and my phone, it just seems to be a higher level of product that does more stuff than iOS especially once Cornerstone becomes more standard.
Also I think iOS crashes more http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/02/02/does-ios-crash-more-than-android-a-data-dive/ ,I've certainly had a few problems.
It looks like most of your annoyances surround the fact that iOS devices get updates much quicker. Can't really help that but you haven't said much about why android the OS bothers you. Is something terrible about your less-than-current OS? As for hardware, even iPhones have hardware problems and they break/crack much more easily. If you're going to complain about battery life, I hope you know the iphone's battery life isn't really better than the newer androids. Except on most androids you can use spare batteries if you want. If you like using your phone 100% without worrying about battery life that's an easy way. Choppy list scrolling is noticeable on most androids but rare on most newer phones, never really bothers me but that's hardly a deal breaker compared to the features variety that iphones lack.
Ics will amaze you with zero lag.
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I find more and more I love about my phone/android practically everyday. It has actually made life easier in many aspects. Wouldn't think about switching. Just my opinion. Cheers!
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I love Android. I have Apple stuff at home like an iPod and to be honest, never liked it. Wife uses it mostly. I find my Android can do a hell of a lot of stuff and it's fast and there is just so much customization you can't do with an iPhone/iPod. Could not see me not enjoying this Nexus phone I got. I got it unlocked with custom kernel etc and it's way better than it was at stock. So in summary, not at all getting bored with my Android phone. I love it.
I came to android from Blackberry, and an old windows ce phone. I can honestly say that I LOVE my Motorola Atrix android phone. It works....works well....and is so much faster than the crackberry. My sig other, on the other hand, HATES her Samsung Galaxy Vibrant. It seems to get headaches all the time. (a combination of hardware glitches and user error, but I won't tell her that ) I just won't buy into the Apple empire, even if Stevo is gone.
Having plodded through years of Symbian 3rd on the Nokia E71 and E5, I am delighted on a daily basis by the newer, shinier, more customisable UI Android provides. My Galaxy Note is not, however, a better *phone* than the E5. It's a better everything else, though. I keep the E5 as a quickdraw backup.
Overall though, the reason I prefer android is the "wild west" feel of thousands of excellent applications and very few restrictions on how to arrange and use them on my device. Same as Windows vs Mac, really. People would all use Macs if the top 200 games on Steam were compatible with that and not PCs. We go where the mojo is.
It's your money and if you think you like iOS more then get the phone!!
For me, I like Android more now especially Android phones even though I have an iPad. And I had an iPhone before getting my first Android phone.
Will most likely never buy a android phone again. I switched a little over a year ago. I will buy android tablets though cuz i see no point getting an ipad wen i have a iphone. I don't have any problems with my or fiences iphone. No problems with updates like someone else said either. I just came back to Android when i bought my Transformer Tablet and installed ics. Android is still laggy with GPU hardware acceleration forced on or off and don't let me start on the laggy Netflix app compared to the ios version. I still love my Android tablet.
Samsung Galaxy S III is a mighty beast? Agreed. Does it have the meanest specs? It does. Can it be upgraded to Android's latest when it comes? Might not be.
S III reviews are coming out and here's a quote from The Verge's review-
"One thing that goes consistently overlooked with respect to Samsung’s phones is the company’s ignominious track record with Android software updates. There may be worse offenders out there, but Samsung’s chronic failure to update its devices on time (or at all) is a significant black mark for a brand looking to lead the way in almost every other respect. Thus, as much as I may enjoy the Galaxy S III today, I have to temper that enthusiasm with the knowledge that its long-term future may not be as rosy as that of a stock Android device"
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/25/3042640/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review
The Galaxy S II ICS update hasn't come to India yet where Sony is almost ready to release ICS updates for their low-end range in a week, despite S II being a flagship. People in this forum are constantly doubting Sony's commitment to their customers. I don't know why but they should never. For a company which is willing to support the developer community for the greater good, nothing speaks more trust than that. So if you worried about the ICS update or future updates about your XPERIA S, never worry. Just wait for a couple of weeks more and you will get it.
So will you trust Sony?
i owned an xperia x10->ray and now xperia s.
the xps is a very good phone i can say is fantastic, i played some howers a go a game made by qualcomm it self (snapdragon) the game is Desert wind still in very very alpha and not even completed and i can say that game completly destroys all tegra 3 games i ever seen!
but lets be honest the galaxy s3 is a better phone in many aspects, is a newer high end phone is normal to be better, not only for the futures he comes with but for the hardware to, if i should buy a new phone right now i'll wait for the galaxy s 3!
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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Even my X10 MP could run ICS. But that's marketing. It has been like that and always will be.
Xperia for life..
Sony simply love the aftermarket developers, users need.
They are social company, not some kind of competitor like apple or samsung, they aiming only for money..
Sony aim also on money, but taking in mind care of users, satisfaction of user, being reliable, accepting if they mistake in something (arc case, xperia s screen) and wiling to repair it for free...
what do you need more?
great phone poor support
i cant think of many reasons, and i have the xperia s,
it has a better screen (ppi) and i prefer the look of the xperia s, when ics comes to the xperia s i might be able to find more however with the s3 having a much larger battery, current reviews(benchmarks) say it has twice the standby time of the htc one x,
although samsung have fallen in the update area, sony have been far from good with theres with something as small as firmware and ics, three, tmobile and orange have all released there version of the .73 firmware to fix the battery drain issue and there is no generic version released as yet and wont be for some weeks, i developed the yellow tint on my first xperia s and had to wait 6 weeks for my phone to be returned, not sure what samsung are like at this but from my point of view i paid £400 for as phone that went dead after 42 days !!!! i should have had a replacement set to me not a repair
then there is ics which has a big stamp on the box saying its upgradable, the one x comes out with it, the 2011 range get it and still another month or two wait for there so called flagship to recieve the update when samsung s2 recieved the upgrade before sony got it to the 2011 range aswell,
sony were once the best in the market but now there one of the worst for it,
as much as i love the phone to pieces and wouldnt swap it for anything else on the market at the moment the support from sony and the timely updates are appalling,
i even had a chat with sony support and asked when the 73 firmware update will be released for generic uk users and his response was "do you mean ics" further training needed too i think,
plus on the xperia s
screen
camera
playstation certified
panorama 3d photos,
hdmi support
styling (see thru cap at bottom is a very good touch esp in a dark room/club)
plus on the samsung
processor
lte version to be released
additional micro sd slot ( i know 32gb is enough but what about when you want to print photos direct from the phone in store) micro sd does come in handy
ics already pre installed,
better browsing due to ics
better multitaksing due to ics the list can go on
when xperia s gets ics i still think the xperia s will be the better phone as you dont need a quad core nowadays but it has to be listed as a pro for the s3, i doubt you will get the use of it for another year or so until some advanced apps come out,
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No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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The Samasung track record for updating is much much worse than Sony. Sony is one of the best when it comes to updating for Android. Also I would rather have them wait and release an almost perfect version than push out a crummy one. Go test the HTC One series which have lag issues in ICS and you will see what I mean.
pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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You should try owning a Motorola if you think Sony have done you a disservice.
Fanboi threads are fail. Sony lost alot of good will with the fiasco that was the x10. Samsung ran rings around them and to be fair, and speaking as an S user, they still do. Updates? Sony vs Samsung? It's a no brainer. The S2 didn't get to where it is by shoddy after market support, quite the contrary. If it wasn't for the vast number of pissed off customers the x10 would still be running 2.1. Sony lovers devs? The lols just keep coming. All the aftermarket devs have done has been to show just how incompetent Sony are, how they try to hoodwink their less tech savvy customers by spinning utter bull**** about hardware limitations etc... And the list goes on. 3 months down the line im still waiting to be able to have some fun with my S. Silly me, should have held on to my brilliant S2 and waited for a proper phone by a manufacturer that knows how to please the masses.
Well, I would never, ever consider the Xperia S over the S3. Never. Xperia S in my opinion is a competitor of the GNex. S3? No.
The Hayabusa will be that phone.
And about the updates, remember that Carriers are the biggest problem, specially in these cases of "not in my country!"
And didn't Sony just said they won't update the Xperia Play? I mean, seriously?
lol where is the update for the original flagship arc? They updated the mid end neo V and ray but not the arc how wonderful!! And did you hear they cancelled the update for the xperia play despite "promising" it?
Wait wait where is the update for the xperia S for that matter? Are you even serious making this topic? So what if the S2 update hasnt reached india yet? It's pretty simple to put another country firmware, you really dont need indian firmware just because one lives in india. There is hardly any difference.
Samsung has bad support for their mid end and low end phones yes thats true but it doesnt apply in the slightest bit to their flagship. The galaxy S was one of the first phones after nexus S to get gingerbread. Galaxy S wasnt updated to ICS but neither was any other phone from it's time.
It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
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It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
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If you cut down the SGSII variants that are a problem of the carriers, the number of devices goes down.
Plus, they should be working in the update of the Xperia S even before it's release. I dunno why they did this the way they did. They screwed up big time IMO.
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It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
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HTC is updating most of it's phones as well, even the desire HD which was launched in 2010!! You cant expect them to update something like the wildfire S with a 600mhz CPU and 512MB ROM. The minimum xperia phone getting updated is 1Ghz CPU and 1GB ROM.
Samsung did mess up yes but not on their flagship, do you even know the S2 has started shipping with ICS out of the box? The verge reviewer has no idea what he is talking about.
I never recommend the cheaper samsung phones to anyone but to try to put the S3 in a negative spot because of how samsung treats it's cheaper phones is ridiculous.
http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s_ii_in_india_is_now_shipping_with_android_40_ics-news-4273.php
The reviewer of The Verge is the guy who got his heart broken by Samsung in the release of the S3.
I'm just pleased to see that he did gave a 0 to the phone.
Another plus for the S3, the dev support it will have will likely be unprecedent. It's already the most preordered gadget in history (sure, the number is much higher than the real purchases because some people have pre ordered different collors and memory amount just to be safe).
Motorola sucks. I hope that with it's new CEO things will change there and they get back on the right track of producing great phones. My Motorola Milestone (2009) is able to run CM9 with it's OMAP3 550mhz (overclocked at 1ghz) and 256mb of RAM, pretty impressive for a device with a locked bootloader, IMO.
I agree with you that Xperia S is better, but your reason isn't right. The thing is everyone's impressed with the s3's specs like qead-core processor although it is something you definitely don't need these days. You will never get to a point when a dual-core will not be enough for ANY kind of software. Moreover, xperia S' camera is better and has faster processor.
Long story short, Samsung is putting a lot of effort on over mighty specifications you don't need, maybe just for the once who compare it to the S by specs only. The ICS delay is annoying I must say, but it is not that terrible.. Another month is not THAT much.
Xperia S is sexy, awesome display and camera, and very fast. Sony is my choice.
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You will never get to a point when a dual-core will not be enough for ANY kind of software. Moreover, xperia S' camera is better and has faster processor.
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They said the same thing about 1Ghz single core CPU's, they always say xyz will always be enough forever but it is never the case. The biggest limitation of xperia S is actually the GPU which really could have been better for 720p resolution. 1.5Ghz dual core CPU and 1GB ram would not cause any issues for a long time.
Xperia S camera is not better just because it has more megapixels. I would think the camera is just about equal on both, the great feature the xperia S has is camera button.
And xperia has faster processor? lol wut?
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No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
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The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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Did Samsung Galaxy S get ICS? And mind u, Samsung sold a butt load of those.
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To a few people here, easy guys. Let's have a constructive discussion and not a bashing one. I for one am not a Sony representative and am quite an objective gadget lover - have many devices including an iPod touch (because I love Apple's OS fluidoty), a Galaxy S2, the Xperia S and the Ray. It makes sense to love everything
Now to the point I wanted to make. Companies should sometimes care about customers too. The fact that X10 got 2.3 is huge. Do you remember Samsung's first galaxy having anything more than 1.6? Do you remember the HTC Hero with more than 2.1? Sony never left these customers in the lurch. Asking for ICS when you bought the X10 is like wishing for lifetime ice-cream supply.
I will tell you another case which I think everybody should know. Samsung quietly replaced the S2 I9100 with I9100G a couple of months ago in the Indian market. What do you say is all the fuss eh? The chipset inside is not a dual-core Exynos or Mali GFX chipset. It's replaced by Cortex A9 and PowerVR SGX540. The processor was underclocked. The GPU was inferior. Asked Samsung on Twitter and they said that chipsets have been replaced but they have similar performance. Benchmarks around the world suggested otherwise. So is Samsung being very clever? Would you like to buy something that is a lie and a false promise in the first place? They just released this model in developing markets because there was a Exynos shortage for European markets so they realised why not fool the mindless buyers of lowly markets!
And I have one question at the end of this - WOULD YOU HAVE ACCEPTED SUCH MANIPULATIVE MARKET PRACTICES?
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Hardware debate again. The only valid argument for GSIII is its hardware.
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