USB support and usb audio support were recently picked up by mainstream, so starting from nightly 135 you get all of the below (except for the webcam support). I am leaving the old information for history preservation purposes. The usb mode utility is replaced by Nook Tweaks
IMPORTANT! READ TO THE VERY END FIRST!
Ok, so I know some people want to try the usbhost mode and I am releasing this trial package to gather feedback and see how it works in the wild.
I am not responsible if you fry your nook (see below).
First, you need some hardware, namely microUSB to USB Female adapter. Something like this one. (There are cheaper ones on ebay, but delivery time is about 3 weeks, I got mine for $1.43).
Also an USB gender changer will work.
Then you need a kernel with usbhost enabled. I made a package that you can install onto emmc with CWM, or the same package could be installed on SD card if you use my installer. This package is only for CM7 users that already converted to .32 kernel. If you still run 2.6.29 kernel (ie CM7.0.3) - you need to upgrade to a fresh nightly like -87 or wait longer.
You can get the kernel here: http://nook.handhelds.ru/usbhost/update-CM7-green-usbhost-2-emmc.zip
As you probably know, the Nook Color comes a little bit crippled in a sense that id pin on the OTG controller is not connected and so we cannot rely on it to properly choose mode. Instead I wrote an app to achieve the switching.
The app is ugly as hell, sorry, it's my first attempt at writing an Android app, bear with me, it would become better (I accept free Android programming lessons too! ).
You can get the app here: http://nook.handhelds.ru/usbhost/NookUsbHostSwitcher.apk
The app requires root, so make sure to allow it once asked and make it to remember the setting.
Install the kernel, install the app.
Reboot into the new kernel.
Run the app and you'll see a big "ToggleButton". When it's in Off mode, that means your nook is in usb client mode.
When you press it for the first time it will change to On, that means usb host.
(you can connect your external accessory before or after you enable the host mode).
When you press it again, it will change to Off and switch back to the client mode.
I recommend that before switching the host mode off you first disconnect your accessory, otherwise the internal hub cannot switch off.
(note that in some configurations the host mode enabling did not work for me on the first try and I needed to turn it off and on several times before the device registered. I believe there is no such problem with this kernel, but keep in mind such a possibility)
Addition in v2:
A second button is now added that lets you to force "external" vbus source. When you make it to ON, the battery charger pump is opened and connected to vbus terminals. In this state it is safe to connect nook to a power source, usb host will work and the battery should be charging at the same time.
Even without external power if your battery has high enough voltage (usually when it's full for me), it still somewhat works.
Additionally if you try to enable HostMode and an external power source is connected already, the "external" power mode is enabled (not shown in the app, though). This is to avert a potential disaster from below and to save battery.
Now the important part: When the Nook is in host mode, it drives 5V vbus off the connector at all times. If you connect the nook to a PC in this state, the PC will try to drive it's own vbus. Last time I tried to do this, my usb port in the nook fried! You've been warned! But that was before I had the host mode working and it might have been caused by a number of other things I was doing at the time too. Anyway I am not very keen on repeating this experiment again. If you are curious and decide to try it anyway regardless of the warning, make a comment and tell me what happened
Supported devices (this is important, right?)
Note that only low power devices will work if you don't have an externally powered hub. Don't expect to be able to drive a cdrom or a hard drive out of just nook. 100mA is the current limit. (Current testing shows that if you use ISB hub, even unpowered, it hides this issue).
All keyboards should be supported. (the keymap in CM7 is a bit strange, though, you'll see it).
All mice should be supported too, though I have not tried.
I enabled Xbox and PS3 controllers support, but have not tried.
Usb camera support - I only enabled UVC-compliant cameras (Microsoft Live cameras are compliant for example, probably many others). You also need specially built nigthtly with videocam support (try Camera app).
USB storage - generic support enabled, so should work for you.
Serial port support - only generic support enabled (I guess GPS devices mostly work as serial ports)
USB audio support enabled - not sure if the Android has any idea how to support it.
The kernel is basically normal dalingrin's kernel with USB host support enabled and ipv6 disabled (to keep kernel size below 3M threshold).
Kernel source (for the curious and if you want to build your own kernel with some mode devices support): git://github.com/dalingrin/nook_kernel.git branch usbhost
Enjoy and share your experience.
Just ordered the adapter for this. Thanks so much for your efforts!
So if anything goes wrong, we can revert by just flashing Dalingrin's kernel again, right?
Going to order an adapter now
Quick (and possibly stupid) question: Would gender changer plugs work in combination with a regular micro USB->USB cable?
this is incredible, thanks for all your hard work !!!
Awesome news
Thanks for all your work on this. It just amazes me how much talent is here on XDA.
It also amazes me that Android tablets/phones struggle with something a 10+ year old Windows 98SE laptop can do with ease.
Ordered my cable and can't wait to try transferring pictures from my camera to the Nook!
Has anyone seen a netbook-style keyboard/case combo that would work with the nook? (Bluetooth and/or USB)
Great work man, can't wait to try this out!!
Just built cm7 from source as of 6AM and flashed your kernel, turned usb host on and attached my usb gender changer to my phone's micro usb cord and plugged in a mass storage device. dmesg in Terminal Emulator showed the device properly but apparently android has no idea what to do with it, the light didn't even come on. Encouraged by this minor sign of life, I plugged in a keyboard and it works (though of course the android keymap is close to full retard).
Good job! I think nullghost's idea of adding this to the CM7 pulldown menu is a good idea. Maybe also the power control?
You will need to mount the USB storage yourself.
Glad I though ahead and got an adapter
Working well so far. Will try more accessories at school!
Any advice on what adapter to buy? I was looking at this one:
http://www.amazon.com/USB-Micro-Ada...YMU6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1306940268&sr=8-1
but not sure if it is what we are looking for since one review said it does not work for USB OTG.
Actually, thinking about it, is the USB host mode that is enabled here, different from the USB OTG that i am thinking of?
And since i dont mind being the first to ask a dumb question..
hololight said:
You will need to mount the USB storage yourself.
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Would this be something done in the terminal, or through the settings UI (aka, it will show up on the same place that the SD card shows up)?
Using my mouse with my Nook at the moment
I went out and bought a gender changer, which seems to work. Thank you a LOT!
No luck with my Xbox 360 controller. It lights up and then keeps on blinking. I tried to assign hardware keys in FPse but it didn't respond to any keypresses.
Also, my Nook froze when plugging my mouse back in.
Dangit! How am I suppose to get any work done when you release something like this. Gonna have to run out and get a gender changer during lunch so I can play around with this!
Thank you verygreen!
-Racks
Yep, keyboard and mouse work!
THIS IS AWESOME!
holo and vg, you guys rock!
Youtube video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxuhCS50-e0
I know...it sucks and it's rotated. I'll get a better one up.
ace7196 said:
Yep, keyboard and mouse work!
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Both at the same time? Using a hub?
Sorry, haven't tried that yet. But in theory it should (with a powered hub).
ace7196 said:
Sorry, haven't tried that yet. But in theory it should (with a powered hub).
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Even unpowered hub should be fine. I use unpowered hub and it works with keyboard and mass storage.
Divine_Madcat said:
Any advice on what adapter to buy? I was looking at this one:
http://www.amazon.com/USB-Micro-Ada...YMU6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1306940268&sr=8-1
but not sure if it is what we are looking for since one review said it does not work for USB OTG.
Actually, thinking about it, is the USB host mode that is enabled here, different from the USB OTG that i am thinking of?
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OTG cable is only needed when hardware is supporting OTG mode natively.
All it does is has an extra connected pin. Nook ignores this signal unfortunately.
Divine_Madcat said:
Would this be something done in the terminal, or through the settings UI (aka, it will show up on the same place that the SD card shows up)?
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Nook cannot have fully automatic otg mode where you just plug an accessory and it works, then unplug, lug a host and it works.
Instead you need to manually control the mode from the provided app.
This is so awesome, if the nook can support a usb Ethernet adapter i'd be in heaven, I wouldn't have to lug around my Sony UX. Who has the best development community in the world? Nook does!
verygreen said:
OTG cable is only needed when hardware is supporting OTG mode natively.
All it does is has an extra connected pin. Nook ignores this signal unfortunately.
Nook cannot have fully automatic otg mode where you just plug an accessory and it works, then unplug, lug a host and it works.
Instead you need to manually control the mode from the provided app.
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Thanks for the cable info - adapter is ordered.
As for the mass storage, i guess what i was asking in a round about way; what IS the proceedure to mount a USB flash stick (for instance) so that something like Root Explorer could see the files?
Personally, i am REALLY interested in this for my photography. I would love to be able to connect my nook in the field, and get a sneak peak at what my shots are looking like, without having to haul out a full on laptop. My camera connects as a mass storage device, so assuming that Android could read a mass storage volume, i would be in business.
I hate you guys! =( Always making me spend more money that I don't have! Now I need to go find a good solid case with a usb keyboard!
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Just wondering what can be done with the full size USB port. I've connected two cameras and my Droid X too it and none were recognized as mass storage devices. The only use I have found for it so far is that it can charge my phone. I would love to be able to be able plug in my camera (Sony, not SD card) and dump them on to it where ever I am for editing or uploading.
Thanks
Keyboards usually work right out of the box, so that can be a nice feature. Also, I think hard drives can be hooked up, but the tablet can't really power them, so they have to be connected via a powered hub. I think thumb drives/flash drives work as well, but I haven't tried them.
For me, being able to easily get a cheap, generic keyboard working has been a very nice feature of the tablet.
I believe I recall reading that you can use it for USB GPS receivers as well. I have not tried it myself.
ahhh a Keyboard, that would be a nice addition. Now that I think about it I am going to see if my bluetooth keyboard will work (don't have a USB one)
GPS is something I am missing more than I would have expected on a tablet
I have a 32gb thumb drive that works perfect. In fact, I have 5 thumb drives all with different data on them ranging from documents to videos.
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I have a 32gb thumb drive that works perfect. In fact, I have 5 thumb drives all with different data on them ranging from documents to videos.
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That is what I use it for as well.
Anyone had success making USB controllers work for emulators? Seen the wiimote bluetooth setup, but I don't have a wiimote.
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Interesting someone said that the USB port cant power usb devices, i connected my bluetooth gps to my usb port yesterday to see if it would power the gps, it did, so im not sure why we would think it does not power usb devices, as mine seems to be working fine.
Im setting my gtab up in my car and wanted to know if id need a second power souce for both the gtab and the gps. Seems to gtab will provide power to the bt gps ok.
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Interesting someone said that the USB port cant power usb devices, i connected my bluetooth gps to my usb port yesterday to see if it would power the gps, it did, so im not sure why we would think it does not power usb devices, as mine seems to be working fine.
Im setting my gtab up in my car and wanted to know if id need a second power souce for both the gtab and the gps. Seems to gtab will provide power to the bt gps ok.
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It's not guaranteed to power them. Some 2.5" external drives and devices take a bit more than 1 USB slot can handle, even on laptops. Ever had a 2.5" external drive that randomly shows up or pops up then disappears? Also, ever seen a mini usb cable with 2 male USB connections? That's so that if the drive has issues using 1 port, you can plug another in and your devices will work. Even some flash drives at high capacity+speed may give trouble. There's def. the propensity for other usb devices to behave that way as well. Keyboards generally don't have that problem unless they're advanced (have lights, usb ports/hub on them), also mice don't generally have that issue either but anything else can.
What can work?
I'll say more than likely any powered external hard drive.
Some USB powered 2.5" external hard drives (my 320GB is seen and is usable, my 40GB is not as it is older and requires more power).
Most flash drives.
More than likely, any usb device engineered to worth within the constraints of using a single usb port (wireless controllers, remotes, mice, some keyboards, some gps units, etc.)
What probably won't work?
High capacity, high speed or OLD 2.5" usb powered external hard drive (750-1TB)
Advanced devices with a usb hub on them or lots of lights or moving parts, powered solely by the usb port
High capacity, high speed flash drives (though I'm sure this is vendor specific)
Interesting, so low powered devices will be usable, but not high powered ones, thats fair enough, both my bt gps and my fm transmitter seem to be working fine.
Ive ordered a 4 port usb hub which i planned to use to connect both the gps and the fm transmitter to the usb port to give them power, no biggie if it isnt able to do that, as i can use the hub elsewhere, but be interested now to see if it will work. Thanks for the heads up.
Icedvoco said:
Interesting, so low powered devices will be usable, but not high powered ones, thats fair enough, both my bt gps and my fm transmitter seem to be working fine.
Ive ordered a 4 port usb hub which i planned to use to connect both the gps and the fm transmitter to the usb port to give them power, no biggie if it isnt able to do that, as i can use the hub elsewhere, but be interested now to see if it will work. Thanks for the heads up.
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I also have an 'official Malata' USB to ethernet on the way for review to see if I can get it to work and see if there would be any interest for us in the States. I should have the demo today and will report back any findings?
IT2STEVE, I think you'll have takers on that USB->Ethernet adapter. I still stay at one hotel when traveling for work that does not have wireless (though most do). And sometimes at work, the wireless flakes out. This would be nice to have.
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IT2STEVE, I think you'll have takers on that USB->Ethernet adapter. I still stay at one hotel when traveling for work that does not have wireless (though most do). And sometimes at work, the wireless flakes out. This would be nice to have.
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Have you tried tethering to your phone? I used my MyTouch 4g hotspot feature at two diners this past weekend and it worked well.
Wondering about the usb nic driver, is it provided with the usb nic ? or do we need someone to develop one ? Ive had a quick look on ebay and can see a few of these available, naturally none of them are official Malata' USB to ethernet. so that raises the question of using none Malata ones ?
I use it for a flash drive too.
The issue is that I copied mp3 from the flash drive to the g-tab..and when I use File Explorer I can see and play the songs, but in the Music app they dont show up.
320 external hard drive
Hello. I am looking to buy a 320 GB hard drive for my gtab. I am wanting to buy the Western Digital My passport essential. Do you think this will work with the USB on this device? It is usb powered. Thanks.
the tab usb will not power a standard hd
Anybody ever tried a USB TV Receiver? I'm doubting it would work, but would be cool...
I was looking to use the usb port to load pictures from my camera's sd cards via a card reader onto the tablet when I travel. Saves me from taking my laptop with me. I can do everything I need with a smaller device like a tablet now. (Might have to save them back on a flashdrive though in case the Gtab decides to delete your pictures...)
And I guess you can always use the the port for your USB Pet Rock. (thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/c208)
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It's not guaranteed to power them. Some 2.5" external drives and devices take a bit more than 1 USB slot can handle, even on laptops. Ever had a 2.5" external drive that randomly shows up or pops up then disappears? Also, ever seen a mini usb cable with 2 male USB connections? That's so that if the drive has issues using 1 port, you can plug another in and your devices will work. Even some flash drives at high capacity+speed may give trouble. There's def. the propensity for other usb devices to behave that way as well. Keyboards generally don't have that problem unless they're advanced (have lights, usb ports/hub on them), also mice don't generally have that issue either but anything else can.
What can work?
I'll say more than likely any powered external hard drive.
Some USB powered 2.5" external hard drives (my 320GB is seen and is usable, my 40GB is not as it is older and requires more power).
Most flash drives.
More than likely, any usb device engineered to worth within the constraints of using a single usb port (wireless controllers, remotes, mice, some keyboards, some gps units, etc.)
What probably won't work?
High capacity, high speed or OLD 2.5" usb powered external hard drive (750-1TB)
Advanced devices with a usb hub on them or lots of lights or moving parts, powered solely by the usb port
High capacity, high speed flash drives (though I'm sure this is vendor specific)
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This poster says their 320 GB hard drive is powered by it. So will the 320 GB western digital essentials be powered by it?
Hey people,
Massive regret if this has already been covered to the point of solving somewhere but i just can't seem to find a clear solution to my problem.
One of the main reasons i opted for the Archos 101IT was because of the usb storage possibilities and i am sadly let down by the lack of functionality. After searching over XDA forums, ArchosFans and a few other forums i have gathered alot of information about the usb ports and was even suggested a kernel that will let me extend the power supplied to the port (Currently only 100mAh i believe?)
My problem is im already on a different kernel and don't wish to trade my perm root and higher overclock just so i can use the ports as they should already work anyway. I have a 16gb and 8 gb sandisk flash drive that i would love to use but sadly it dosn't work. I also found a conversation (can't seem to find it again) where a list of successfull usb host adapter cables was created and so believing it i went ahead and bought one and it still dosn't work.
I have no doubt in my mind it's probably something i am doing wrong and if someone could slap me in the right direction i would be very greatful.
Again, sorry if my attempt at searching has failed but despite the countless conversations on this topic the only solutions that i have come across are completely changing my kernel and a cable that didn't work!
Why is it so difficult to use damn storage? that's what the usb is there for am i wrong?!
Thanks in advance =]
your post doesn't make that much sense - Archos 70 and below requires usb host cable - the 10 already has a full size usb host port and sufficient power to run flash drives
Yes it does, but as i said it only powers up to 100 mAh without the usb power kernel and i believe it's the mini usb that powers higher normally. It's my understanding that on the other posts i have read a host cable from the Mini usb port is supposed to give you the option of powering a flash drive as the mini usb offers a greater power supply.
I hope this makes sense now, im just reporting what i'v gatherd viewing other peoples issues and im confused to hell about any real/ideal solutions and also as to why the bloody thing can't just work as advertised.
Maybe if we can't get any meantime solutions people could start listing what's working for them? If anything at all? As i have seen reports of success with flash drives on both the 101 and 70 and also people saying they had it working at one time then it's never worked since. All threads seem to end in either "Sold my archos" Or "Sent back to archos and and they replaced it but now it's still not working" Also i can see archos have no apparent interest in the complaints that people have made.
Cheers
The 100mA limit is only on the A70. The A101's full-size host post puts out about 450mA, but alot of devices have an initial spike higher than that in the initial plug in, just to charge the capacitors and enter active mode. The problem with the A101 is that it shuts down current when it spikes like that, resetting the device, and requiring another start-up cycle. No solution I know of yet. I've managed to find low-power devices, you can also use an in-line power supply usb cable.
Hi msticninja, cheers for your reply.
Sorry for my complete lack of electronics but im understanding that the flash drive's im using require more then the 450 just to power up and then they would use less?
Does inline mean a mains powered usb? as i have a 2 tb mains powred HD that i havnt tested yet but if it worked it would be a temp solution for home, but i would love to be able to use my flash drives (or any flashd drives) when on the go. Could you suggest some of the flash drives that have worked for you under that power spike?
Thanks!
Nufan1121 said:
Hi msticninja, cheers for your reply.
Sorry for my complete lack of electronics but im understanding that the flash drive's im using require more then the 450 just to power up and then they would use less?
Does inline mean a mains powered usb? as i have a 2 tb mains powred HD that i havnt tested yet but if it worked it would be a temp solution for home, but i would love to be able to use my flash drives (or any flashd drives) when on the go. Could you suggest some of the flash drives that have worked for you under that power spike?
Thanks!
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Yes, after the power up they use less, but that initial spike causes the Archos to shut down the USB port.
Definitely try the mains powered HD just to test. Also, sometimes a really quick unplug and replug can help.
My Kingston Datatraveler G2 (16GB) works fine, and I have some generic 1GB sticks that work as well. It's kind of hit or miss, to be honest. If you have a local electronics store, they may have some that aren't packaged, so you could test them in-store.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kingston-16-G...660?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19c64a7c54
Is that the right one? I sadly live about 20 miles away from any decent modern electronic store so id rather just buy one, if there's anything i have learned about flash drives as a producer, you can never have enough and also they will always sell on ebay for near the original price.
Thanks again =]
Also, Just plugged an old microsoft mouse into the large usb port, it lights up for a second then turns off with no real connection made.
Tried the same mouse in the smaller usb port with a host cable and nothing happens, could be the cable though.
Nufan1121 said:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kingston-16-G...660?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19c64a7c54
Is that the right one? I sadly live about 20 miles away from any decent modern electronic store so id rather just buy one, if there's anything i have learned about flash drives as a producer, you can never have enough and also they will always sell on ebay for near the original price.
Thanks again =]
Also, Just plugged an old microsoft mouse into the large usb port, it lights up for a second then turns off with no real connection made.
Tried the same mouse in the smaller usb port with a host cable and nothing happens, could be the cable though.
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I don't think the mini-usb operates in host mode on the A101, only on the A70. As for the mouse, I have had better luck with wireless mice. I think the wired ones, older "red" optical ones in particular, use more power than I expected.
I think I told you the wrong USB drive though. I'm just plugging it in to double check and it's not working. Let me look around and figure out what I was using.
Haha yeh it was a wired oiptical one, i assume the wireless ones work better as most are powered by battery and im guessing the usb reciever only needs a small ammount of power. Is that the correct usb on the ebay link though? If so i will buy it asap as im desperate for a working solution.
Thanks =]
Looking through logcat though, I don't see a power error. I think I formatted this [email protected] with NTFS, and it can't mount it. Give me a couple of minutes to test this out.
Yep, that's the problem. I just turned on NTFS support in UrukConfig and it mounted just fine. That link on eBay should work fine for you as long as you don't use NTFS without urukdroid.
Ok cool, is it having trouble recognising it now? Both mine are Fat32 i believe in order to switch between my mac and windows computers, let me know if it still works when you can =]
It's fine with NTFS enabled in UrukConfig. Fat32 should work by default. BTW, you can enable NTFS support on Mac pretty easily. If you have files bigger than 4GB, it's essential.
Haha i havnt had to cross that issue yet as i mostly work with sound samples around 2mb or under, but i will definately be correcting that soon. So is this the correct model before i purchase it? im excited now that you have re confirmed it! =]
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kingston-16-G...660?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19c64a7c54
Thanks for the info!
Yup, that's the one. It's a tiny bit big, but it's very fast.
Haha mate, size isnt an issue at all, aslong as the damn thing works im going to be a happy bunny. All i have been missing since buying this thing is the extra storage. My sd card is currently running whole OS as it was needed for 'perm root' and it also has 259 swapfile so that's the 8gb gone. If this usb storage works it means i'll finally be able to free up the enitre internal storage i've been clogging up with music and movie for some more apps.
Wish me luck =p thanks again! =]
That's why I like to run Android from the Internal Storage, so I can remove the Sdcard without shutting the tablet down.
Good luck!!
As soon as a decent root comes along where i can overclock to 1.2ghz on internal storage id be more then happy to run on internal, sadly the only one i know is archangels and it only works when in a wifi area =/ unless im mistaken then id gladly eat my words! =]
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As soon as a decent root comes along where i can overclock to 1.2ghz on internal storage id be more then happy to run on internal, sadly the only one i know is archangels and it only works when in a wifi area =/ unless im mistaken then id gladly eat my words! =]
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Technically you could, but it's a bit of an involved process. You do need the SDE installed though. Actually, I wonder if anyone's tried ardatdat's kernel recently with Uruk. It hasn't worked for a while, but there's been multiple beta updates since the last time I tried it.
That would be very tempting, im on sde anyways. Just a question, whats the 1 watt speaker about in ur sig? Is that a hack?
Nufan1121 said:
That would be very tempting, im on sde anyways. Just a question, whats the 1 watt speaker about in ur sig? Is that a hack?
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My speakers went out, because they're horribly overdriven, like most people's. I replaced them with 1 Watt Kobitone speakers that have a higher sensitivity, so it's louder at lower volume settings, and can go to a very high max volume without damaging the speakers. It's a simple replacement, but you have to open the case and solder in the new speakers.
Hi, im looking at the posibility of installing one of these into the dash of my Jaguar XK8 to use for GPS, media playback, OBD etc. Most of it shound be relatively straightforward looking around the forums.
Sound wise I can link to my head units auxilary input.
GPS looks possible using a bluetooth GPS.
OBD again using a bluetooth device in conjuction with Torque in android.
Possible link up for reversing camera if i use a USB tv tuner maybe?
Power wise i can use a car charger hidden away inside the dash. Question though, will the unit automatically power on if it receives an AC charge in the case where the battery has run flat and the device has turned off beyond being in a suspend mode?
Is pretty much everything controllable on screen? My current plan would leave no access to hard buttons.
USB host - can I connect to a laptop hard drive using a usb to ide adapter? Just thinking for my 100gb media hard disc.
Think that is most of the stuff covered really.
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Possible link up for reversing camera if i use a USB tv tuner maybe?
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Yes, root your tablet, use any by linux kernel supported device and some development skills and you're ready to go. idk a out-of-the-box solution.
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Power wise i can use a car charger hidden away inside the dash. Question though, will the unit automatically power on if it receives an AC charge in the case where the battery has run flat and the device has turned off beyond being in a suspend mode?
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I got my A101 just for development stuff and put the charger in a power strip with a switch. when I turn the power strip on, the A101 just starts up
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Is pretty much everything controllable on screen? My current plan would leave no access to hard buttons.
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the only button would be the power button for shutdown or reboot or the volume control. you would have to have a widget or an app for volume control.
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USB host - can I connect to a laptop hard drive using a usb to ide adapter? Just thinking for my 100gb media hard disc.
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yesno, depends on how much power the harddisc draws. but if you like to attach a camera or livetv adapter as well you have to use an powered usb hub anyway
Wow, thanks for your response... looks like it will do anything that i originally wanted really, which is good news!
Im looking at maybe getting a 7 inch archos - what has prompted this is that I just made the move to android from a windows mobile and so far im dead impressed with it. I also previously had a full windows PC in a car that was unfortunately damaged. Im just looking at fitting something into my replacement car and i thought that a full windows PC is less ideal than an android machine.
I still have my old USB GPS device, which I believe has linux drivers - am I right in saying that if it has linux drivers then it may be possible to get it working under android?
For the most part i cant see the lack of hard keys being a problem. Volume up / volume down will be taken care of by my head unit - so i can set and forget the volume (should be able to set it on screen initially yeah?). Reboot can be handled on screen as well - so far I havent experienced android crashing or freezing, but is this something that tends to happen? If so i guess that will be my biggest problem point.
Also - this is a real long shot - does anyone know if the Archos 70 IT's that are brought as 8gb still have internal laptop hard drive connectors - if so i can just drop in an internal hard drive rather than use usb host.
After having a look at units in store I decided to go with the G9 Archos 80. So far im liking it a lot, its speedy, has a full size usb port on the back which allows me to access my laptop hard drive via a USB -> ide adapter and turns on as soon as it gets power - and has working sat nav. 90% of my goals are already met - just needs some soft finessing and installation in car. Just hoping someone roots the thing soon so I can get her to shutdown / reboot via an app.
Jaguar......xD
hi:
i think i will try to get hptp from ebay.
i see that it doesnt have usb for flash drive..
assuming that if connected to a dongle, it will read/write to flash drives,
which adapter should i search for.. mini male (for tp) > usb (flashdrive)?
thanx
I have read a thread on the usb host mode for the TP (can't remember which of the 8 forums I am on) that the micro usb port WILL support host mode BUT you will need a "Y" cable to provide power at the same time. Do a search for "host mode " on the TP forums and check it out. I have not attempted it so far as I have not found the correct "Y" cable mentioned in the thread.
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There is fully functional USB Host support, you don't even need to do any SW modification, everything is supported out of the box with one caveat, you need external power.
Support for keyboard, mice, harddrives and cameras is fully built in the default WebOS software.
I guess HP planned to sell their own USB attachments, iPad-style.
The only thing you need is USB OTG cable. Like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-micro-U...781644?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item19c7d49acc
Basically just search for "USB OTG cable" on ebay, costs about $3. And USB Y-cable. The only two things you need are OTG microUSB cable and USB Y cable to provide external power.
I am still looking into possibility of self-powered usb host mode, with all the support HP built in for it it almost sounds like a given there must be a way to enable it one way or another. Unfortunately chipset documentation is almost nonexistent.
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well i got hptp today..
the ebay link USB OTG cable for was great..
the y cable search was confusing:: i do not know which kind to look for plus.. i dont see how to use this thing.. how does it get power.. i spose the USB OTG cable plugs into one of the "y" but im lost really...
i appreciate all responses..
thanx
What i've bought:
OTG: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-O...070399?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3f0e501abf
USB Female to Female: http://www.ebay.com/itm/280732594049?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Y cable: http://www.ebay.com/itm/120626863147?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
External battery with USB: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/2400ma...a-cable-for-htc-desire-g5-samsung-i9000-57905
What i've got: unusable pile of crap. The whole system can power up a mouse or gamepad, or external HDD (which is need to be powered from wall socket in addition to TP) but it's much worse with anything else: 16gb flash stick - lights up, but not enough power to read data, USB card reader don't even lights up. And situation with powering from PC USB (instead of ext. battery) is the same.
Anyway, even if the whole system would work, i doubt that you would take all those cables with you wherever you go, so it's useless.
i watched the russian vid..
hassle w/ capital H
little to zero hope of this gonna ever work
thanx for replies
As some of you know, I could get USB host to work on the release candidate of HoneyComb but not on the final release (3.55.405).
This morning I thought I would try again, my flyer was turned off (completely shut down) when I plugged in my portable hard drive (Seagate 120 gig using the Y cable one to a power supply the other to a USB micro USB adaptor).
I then booted up the Flyer … low and behold there it was. Shows up as USB in Astro but, does not show in Root Explorer.
I was able to watch my movies and play my music from the hard drive.
It seems like the flyer with latest HoneyComb will only see USB peripherals at boot time.
Great news!
If you care to try some other configurations, I'd love to get your results when using a usb keyboard or mouse?
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Great news!
If you care to try some other configurations, I'd love to get your results when using a usb keyboard or mouse?
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Will do … just keep in mind that any device well need to be self powered (because the Flyers port does not provide power) I’ll try with a powered hub.
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It seems like the flyer with latest HoneyComb will only see USB peripherals at boot time.
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It works perfectly fine without rebooting. The only thing is that you have to umnount before unplugging. It worked for me even with one 1TB Harddisc.
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It works perfectly fine without rebooting. The only thing is that you have to umnount before unplugging. It worked for me even with one 1TB Harddisc.
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What Rom are you using? Most of us have been unable to get Usb host working on the latest HoneyComb release.
Edit: just tried again and won’t work for me unless I boot with it plugged in. Also, booting takes a longer than normal time.
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It works perfectly fine without rebooting. The only thing is that you have to umnount before unplugging. It worked for me even with one 1TB Harddisc.
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Please be more specific, on what custom ROM and what version, you have try? Do you have tried other usb peripherals too?
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Please be more specific, on what custom ROM and what version, you have try? Do you have tried other usb peripherals too?
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I don´t use a custom rom I use the HC stock rom. You have to have the "/mnt/sdcard/usb/" folder. If you don´t have it, create it. I use only as I mentioned a 1 TB Harddisk and I used also two different kind of 8GB USB Flashdrives with a Y-Cable with external powersupply and a Nokia OTG Cable.
They work all perfectly fine. Only I had to unmount the devices before I unplugged otherwise I needed to reboot as well for a another usb device.
I didn´t try any other peripherals.
I am not a "tecfreak", just an average user who likes to tinker and mess around with his gadgets. If you have any further question I can help you with, Please ask.
P.S.: before I used the Nokia Cable, I used another Micro USB Male to USB A Female Cable and that didn´t work, so If it doesn´t work for you than it might be caused by the wrong cable. ????
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Will do … just keep in mind that any device well need to be self powered (because the Flyers port does not provide power) I’ll try with a powered hub.
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so pendrives will not work?
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I don´t use a custom rom I use the HC stock rom. You have to have the "/mnt/sdcard/usb/" folder. If you don´t have it, create it. I use only as I mentioned a 1 TB Harddisk and I used also two different kind of 8GB USB Flashdrives with a Y-Cable with external powersupply and a Nokia OTG Cable.
They work all perfectly fine. Only I had to unmount the devices before I unplugged otherwise I needed to reboot as well for a another usb device.
I didn´t try any other peripherals.
I am not a "tecfreak", just an average user who likes to tinker and mess around with his gadgets. If you have any further question I can help you with, Please ask.
P.S.: before I used the Nokia Cable, I used another Micro USB Male to USB A Female Cable and that didn´t work, so If it doesn´t work for you than it might be caused by the wrong cable. ????
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Are you s-off or rooted?
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P.S.: before I used the Nokia Cable, I used another Micro USB Male to USB A Female Cable and that didn´t work, so If it doesn´t work for you than it might be caused by the wrong cable. ????
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Been doing some more testing … I noticed (when using the Y cable on my drive) that when I power up the hard drive the charging light on the Flyer comes on.
So, somehow power is back feeding to the OTG cable.
This leads me to believe that it may work better (like Elfuente stated) with a different cable.
Perhaps the Nokia cable does not have the charging pins
Ps: I noticed that on my Y cable … one is labeled Power+Data the other is labeled Power
I had a rather long message typed about this but the browser crashed, I'll possibly retype most of that later, but for now suffice to say that cables are singnificant in these setups.
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I had a rather long message typed about this but the browser crashed, I'll possibly retype most of that later, but for now suffice to say that cables are singnificant in these setups.
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Ahhh there you are I was hoping you would show up. If anyone could shed some light on this it would be you. Do I smell another hardware hack?
Keeping in mind my abilities in this field are very limited but, I was thinking … if I could come up with a battery pack for a portable hard drive I could (with the proper cables) then just plug it in and have the ability to read and write to it.
Maybe another hack for an adapter to provide power from a battery with usb connector or mains usb charger but it should actually be fairly trivial to implement, so maybe a schematic also for anyone who is remotely comfortable with soldering.
The big difference between OTG and other usb modes is that pin 5 is electrically significant. When grounded it indicates to an otg capable device that it should go to OTG-A mode (OTG equivalent of host mode), when floating it's ignored and the device will not detect a connected device.
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I could come up with a battery pack for a portable hard drive I could (with the proper cables) then just plug it in and have the ability to read and write to it.
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That´s exactly what I do. I travel a lot and was used to carry a netbook with me. Now I changed to the Flyer and use the external 1TB Harddisc with a BatteryPack as external powersupply (http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B003ZV1A1Y).
As I already mentioned: It works fine for me.
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That´s exactly what I do. I travel a lot and was used to carry a netbook with me. Now I changed to the Flyer and use the external 1TB Harddisc with a BatteryPack as external powersupply (http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B003ZV1A1Y).
As I already mentioned: It works fine for me.
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Thanks for this.
I ordered one of the Nokia cables and if it works for me.
I’ll then take both apart (drive and battery) and mill up a case to mount both of them in.
This only works with honey comb right?
and by the way, the disc has to be formated wit fat32.
... and yes I formated a 1TB harddisc with fat32, look here; http://www.thetfp.com/tfp/tilted-te...-formatting-large-hard-drives-32gb-fat32.html