Hey,
I'm currently trying to find a nice low-end phone for my gf (myself I'm a Galaxy S and Galaxy S2 owner). The 2 phones left in the race are the Galaxy Ace and HTC Wildfire S.
Price is pretty much the same, looks don't matter too much so it's all about hardware. My main concern with Ace is that it's memory (RAM) is quite small. Even with the Galaxy S' 512MB I'm often thinking it could use more memory, so I assume it'd be even worse for the Ace?
I'd really appreciate if Ace owners could provide some feedback on how they see the memory situation. Are you often running out of memory, is the phone lagging a lot, ..? Does the 800Mhz cpu (vs 600Mhz in W) give a better overall experience despite the smaller 287MB (vs 512mb in W) memory?
Maybe someone even has experience with both Ace and Wildfire S?
Any reports appreciated!
I always have between 150-115mb free memory with Lookout, ZDbox, a firewall and some other crap running at the background.
Even if I use skype and some other things at the same times, I have never had any problems. But you have to use a good task killer anyway.
And if you want my opinion, Wildfire has a smaller screen than Ace and the Ace should support Flashplayer soon.
i too stuck btw SGA and htc wildfire S b4....i dont think internal memory is a big issue,of course of the beginning,i struggle with it,but once i gain knowledge from this forum,i always have 90-110 free internal memory,n all it takes is just sd card....with newest firmware,the phone vy vy smooth...i even compare my phone with my friend 1ghz x10,he too suprised by ace...RAM wise,i dont exprience any short coming,and i dont think girl user are more extreme,so i think its ok....screen wise,i would bet on SGA 16m colour than WS 256k(if u compare these two,it do make alot of different)...hehe,y dont u ask ur gf which design she wud prefer
it is problem only if you install needlessly too many apps. otherwise it is not a big issue. ace installs most apps on memory card by default and actually uses very little main memory. also you can root and remove some default apps that your gf don't use so you gain additional free memory or use VillainROM that is already nice and clean (~130MB free memory).
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I need an app that doesnt need root 2 auto close unused apps every time its restarted. Then i should get slightly better performance for fpse.
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Read up on task killers, I wouldnt recommended them to anyone anymore, when I first started here at xda I swore by them, boy was I wrong. Its better in my eyes just to leave the app running rather than using more resources constantly killing it over n over again.
You'd also have more better options on a rooted phone!
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So is it ok to use advanced task killer and block it killing system apps so i can kill other non system apps that I want killed. By ok i mean will killing non system apps use more resources. Im quite new to android so im not too sure. Is there any apps which can speed up my htc wildfire without killing apps. Im even considering swapping my wildfire for a phone such as a samsung galaxy mini or a zte blade or any other phone which has gpu and a slightly better proccessor so then fpse will run better and i can get 3d/hd games the only thing i would miss is the 5mp camera on wildfire but a faster phone that can run better apps and games and run emus at better speed beats the 5mp camera. I cant root my phone as im on 2.2.1 and have no pc but if i could root i would get a fast, simple rom and overclock it as high as possible. If there was a way to allow 100% cpu to be used for apps that would be good as quite a bit cpu is used by the android system so if the android system could be turrned off when running apps, it should be possible to make gpu games run on cpu with mod. If i find anyone willing to swap with me i will defo do the swap.
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Its not about whether they are system or user apps, every app has it built into the code to start when a certain parameter is met on the phone and some apps have a large number of silly little rules to get them going, so killing with a task killer just creates an endless cycle where the app is killed and then restarts which will use more resources than just leaving the app in the background.
If your after a minimalist rom which doesn't use up too many resources I suggest you get your hands on a PC and get rooted then install cm7 and overclock, the difference between stock and cm7 is good.
Also with root access you can stop apps from starting full stop therefore no task killer needed.
As for the swap good luck with that, I know I wouldn't swap a gpu phone for a wildfire.
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But the phones im talkng about cost a lot less than a widfire that is why some people may do it as widlfire is more expensive so in there eyes worth it but not really as wildfire is a load of rubbish compared to phones like samsung galaxy mini, samsung galaxy europa which is only £50 (cheapest android phone i have ever seen and it has a gpu) and zte blade aka orange san francisco. It amazes me that phones much cheaper can have features tge wildfire lacks and the latest wildfire s is what i think the original wildfire should have been but they left features out to make it cheaper and so they could make an s version at a leter date with the gpu and slightly faster cpu. I really wish there was some way to root android 2.2.1 without pc. Android 2.2 could be rooted with an app but 2.2.1 patched this. Even if i root i will probbably need a pc to change the rom and to change the kernel so its overclockable. If i had the money i would buy a sgs2 or similair dual core phone but im not that rich. I wish i did have the money though. I think the wildfire is overpriced and i think it should be priced at around £40-£50. It must only cost them about £20 to make as most of the parts are cheap rubbish and it bareley deserves to be a smartphone as its not powerful enough to do most of androids best features
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Hi!
Because of the low memory issue in the International edition, I request for all Kernel Dev's that implement the possibility of the use of Swap file.
There are programs that make and use this Swap file to get more free RAM, but this programs needs that the Kernel support it.
Like :
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...sMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5hemFzb2Z0LmZyZWUuc3dhcHBlciJd
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=lv.n3o.swapper2&feature=nav_other
What do you think?
Cheers!
P.D:sorry for my bad english.
I think you are in the wrong section. There is a dedicated section for questions and not in the Development thread
What Low memory issue??? We have 1GB of RAM (almost) on the device! Everything works smooth on the phone!
maybe he wanna say that free memories are from 2xx~3xx mb only, which is actually less than S2 even S3 also has 1GB ram.
If the files can increase more free ram, it would be good for some heavy games and softwares to run more smoothly.
Wrong forum, but indeed I agree.
It's virtually impossible to run 2 heavy programs at once. One of them will always close when it's in the background, even if it implements a Service.
For example, Waze - It closes whenever I receive a phone call.
Just annoying. Problems I never had on S II
eitama said:
Wrong forum, but indeed I agree.
It's virtually impossible to run 2 heavy programs at once. One of them will always close when it's in the background, even if it implements a Service.
For example, Waze - It closes whenever I receive a phone call.
Just annoying. Problems I never had on S II
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This is exactly that I mean.
Sorry for the mistake to put this topic in this subforum, please, any mod move it to the correct section.
Cheers!
Wow, I definitely want this! Kernel devs : please implement this!!!
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Swap will make the phone lag terribly since the ssd writing/reading speeds are far inferior to what you neel for normal operations.
It also makes sure the internal/external storage will not live very long.
While it's a good idea to combat memory issues, paging to disk is not suitable for normal situations.
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Haha we have not needed swap since the days of the HTC hero
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d4fseeker said:
Swap will make the phone lag terribly since the ssd writing/reading speeds are far inferior to what you neel for normal operations.
It also makes sure the internal/external storage will not live very long.
While it's a good idea to combat memory issues, paging to disk is not suitable for normal situations.
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Swap file to internal SD: max speed 26MB/s I think there is not a problem, but I prefer more memory. And I tell that implement the function and optional you can enable it, if you don't want you don't need to enable.
Cheers!
Can I ask you why you think you have low memory?
please select one of the following:
1) Phone going so slow it takes age to do anything I ask
2) Apps keep getting killed mid-use
3) I have looked at the numbers and they look low....
I can't choose any option. I want to explain:
-I open Internet Browser and open a Web with many videos, photos, etc, and browser closes itself.
-Open 1 game (NOVA3 for example), then put it on background to see a Web Page or check email... or open the Web browser, open 3 Webs then go to email to check, then go again to browser and all is closed, the phone needs to open all Webs again (in this case is your first option).
I think that you prefer a UNIX computer with 256MB of RAM than a UNIX computer with 16GB of RAM because you optimize the 256MB of RAM. I prefer waste memory (really don't waste it) because I want to RUN many programs at the same time.
Sorry for my very bad english, because I can't explain exactly what I want.
I'm SYSADMIN and I know what I say.
Cheers.
I understand where your coming from but I think you have failed to understand the purpose of multi-tasking on a phone (and the reason that not many phones have more than 1gb of ram yet).
Multi-tasking on a phone is designed to let you go from webpage to sms, or music to email etc, i.e. between smaller, less hungry apps.
Switching between a high ram usage game and other things is always going to be a problem, the phone was never designed to allow you to multi-task while gaming.
I know that this is a phone, not a Core I7 - 16GB RAM - SSD with Windows 7 Ultimate, but, Did you have a SGS2? with SGS2 you can make what you want and you don't have this problems off memory.
I said an example of a Web page with a lot of videos and photos that make Browser closed., not only with Games.
This is Why I want to try the Swap file. Off course if the phone goes slow down I'll prefer no Swap file, but I think that is a good idea.
Perhaps with a new firmware update Samsung solve this issue...
Cheers!
Off course if the phone goes slow down I'll prefer no Swap file, but I think that is a good idea.
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Have you ever had your Windows computer have to heavily page to disk (aka swap)? Even with my OCZ Vertex4 it's unbearable.
Just get rid of all the background apps (such as AllShare) that the S3 has running and you should be better off, it got rid of any hint of memory underrun I my had.
Get Houmiak TaskManager from market, find out which apps are running and freeze them in Titanium Backup. Problem solved
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I understand where your coming from but I think you have failed to understand the purpose of multi-tasking on a phone (and the reason that not many phones have more than 1gb of ram yet).
Multi-tasking on a phone is designed to let you go from webpage to sms, or music to email etc, i.e. between smaller, less hungry apps.
Switching between a high ram usage game and other things is always going to be a problem, the phone was never designed to allow you to multi-task while gaming.
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You are wrong.
This is my 4th Android phone.
Multitasking between several Applications which implement the Service Android Class should be possible without any of the services being killed.
I don't care about the Activity. I care about the service.
Example :
I run Torque & Waze at the same time and tend to skip between them.
If I receive an incoming call, they are both killed because of low memory.
How do I know? when I go back to either of them, the state is not kept, and waze even complains about not being stopped correctly.
Believe me I removed ANY resident useless services, uninstall about 30 system apps from wanam lite using titanium pro, and still, no good.
These things used to work on older phones like SGSII and Galaxy Note and even SGS I with stock samsung roms.
There is no reason SGS III should suffer regression in this department.
It is very easy to understand that while samsung have added plenty of "Cool" features to the phone, they have left us with an overwhelming amount of garbage. I want smart stay, I want usb OTG, I want the camera app, I want Touchwiz dialer and I want HDMI,
But not at the expense of basic use-cases.
Hell, on the Galaxy Note I was sometimes shocked at the amount of Activities left in the ram, I was impressed. Having 10 apps running in task manager. And no, I never closed them. I don't used task killers, and I don't care about "Free" ram.
I care about my Applications life cycle which sadly sucks on SGS III.
BTW, Galaxy Note had the same screen resolution give or take as the SGS III.
Something is terribly under optimized.
600MB used just by core crap.
PS. I am angry at samsung, not at you, apologies if I sound harsh.
It's also aggravating when posters here instantly assume other posters only care about Free ram. HERE - TAKE MY FREE RAM.
About the swap to sdcard, I'm not sure that is the solution.
But I am sure we need "A" solution.
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If anyone knows how I can understand exactly which process/app/apk/activiy/service is taking how much, I would happily compare it to Galaxy Note. I'm sure we will find basic applications taking too much.
If it's the GPU reserving too much memory, I am willing to settle for less GPU ram while not running games. Hell, the Galaxy Note was not that slower then SGS III
It even preserved me a lot of time which I now waste on Navigating multiple times with waze when it is closed because of a phone call.
Don't know if this has anything to with it as I haven't received my S3 yet. With the HTCOneX I had this problem as well. Then I found out, that in the
"settings".
in the "development section"
"Don't keep activities" which is unticked by default. One has to tick it ( I went on recent apps to make sure it would be saved) and then untick it again. Afterwards the HTC1X was quite cabable of multitasking. The default setting seems to have some hybrid impact and has to be set straight by hand.
Hopefully this helps your issue.
eitama said:
You are wrong.
This is my 4th Android phone.
Multitasking between several Applications which implement the Service Android Class should be possible without any of the services being killed.
I don't care about the Activity. I care about the service.
Example :
I run Torque & Waze at the same time and tend to skip between them.
If I receive an incoming call, they are both killed because of low memory.
How do I know? when I go back to either of them, the state is not kept, and waze even complains about not being stopped correctly.
Believe me I removed ANY resident useless services, uninstall about 30 system apps from wanam lite using titanium pro, and still, no good.
These things used to work on older phones like SGSII and Galaxy Note and even SGS I with stock samsung roms.
There is no reason SGS III should suffer regression in this department.
It is very easy to understand that while samsung have added plenty of "Cool" features to the phone, they have left us with an overwhelming amount of garbage. I want smart stay, I want usb OTG, I want the camera app, I want Touchwiz dialer and I want HDMI,
But not at the expense of basic use-cases.
Hell, on the Galaxy Note I was sometimes shocked at the amount of Activities left in the ram, I was impressed. Having 10 apps running in task manager. And no, I never closed them. I don't used task killers, and I don't care about "Free" ram.
I care about my Applications life cycle which sadly sucks on SGS III.
BTW, Galaxy Note had the same screen resolution give or take as the SGS III.
Something is terribly under optimized.
600MB used just by core crap.
PS. I am angry at samsung, not at you, apologies if I sound harsh.
It's also aggravating when posters here instantly assume other posters only care about Free ram. HERE - TAKE MY FREE RAM.
About the swap to sdcard, I'm not sure that is the solution.
But I am sure we need "A" solution.
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If anyone knows how I can understand exactly which process/app/apk/activiy/service is taking how much, I would happily compare it to Galaxy Note. I'm sure we will find basic applications taking too much.
If it's the GPU reserving too much memory, I am willing to settle for less GPU ram while not running games. Hell, the Galaxy Note was not that slower then SGS III
It even preserved me a lot of time which I now waste on Navigating multiple times with waze when it is closed because of a phone call.
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I'm completely with you on this.. .. I have had both the original galaxy, the s 2 the note and other Android phones with this one being my first where larger apps are closing due to low memory resources. I had Nova, my browser, videos, music, angry birds and other processes in the background on my s2 with only388megs used out of 863.... this phone, I load the browser and everything in the background closes with 675megs used out of 754.... not cool. There must be some kinda solution.. why is it that my note and s 2 have 140 more free ram anyways?
Hey guys am using HTC one V,but am not satisfied with that so i have an idea to buy a new phone HTC Desire X.
i have checked in many websites about the phones's user comments.
Most of them are saying that they have some random reboot problem without rooted & hangs while sharing in bluetooth & produce much heat while browsing and all.
please suggest me shall i buy Desire X or not...
please help me guys:crying:
udhayababu said:
Hey guys am using HTC one V,but am not satisfied with that so i have an idea to buy a new phone HTC Desire X.
i have checked in many websites about the phones's user comments.
Most of them are saying that they have some random reboot problem without rooted & hangs while sharing in bluetooth & produce much heat while browsing and all.
please suggest me shall i buy Desire X or not...
please help me guys:crying:
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Nah... Just buy a One S or a Nexus 4
The Android Manual said:
Nah... Just buy a One S or a Nexus 4
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tanx bro:laugh:
Nothing wrong with the Desire X at all.
Mine works fine with ICS. I am waiting for the latest JB to come out bugless:fingers-crossed:
I just had a LCD screen issue that the suppliers fixed under warranty.
The phone does everything that it is supposed to do.
If you look after your phone, it will look after you.
ORA
ORA 1 said:
Nothing wrong with the Desire X at all.
Mine works fine with ICS. I am waiting for the latest JB to come out bugless:fingers-crossed:
I just had a LCD screen issue that the suppliers fixed under warranty.
The phone does everything that it is supposed to do.
If you look after your phone, it will look after you.
ORA
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Is the jb update is conformed?:laugh:
yes, look at name of threads or google
and beware, there are some grammar nazis who would eat you alive for last post
btw if you have enough funding, get some nexus device (as much as I like my dx, I had to say that)
I can tell you that I am very happy with my Desire X, when running on a custom rom it is incredibly fast, especially for this price.
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knielen said:
I can tell you that I am very happy with my Desire X, when running on a custom rom it is incredibly fast, especially for this price.
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exactly, best price/performance ratio I have ever seen in smartphone area, but still, it isnt flagship, never was intended to be, never will be. If you want good phone for good price, go for it, I can only recomend. If you want really high-end phone, or just bigger screen, there are other options, but not DX.
if you have a low budget then buy this phone... its not that big and super fast for games and others...
if you can afford a more expensive phone then buy something better
but just to know that devs started working a lot on this phone and it will become a lot faster
Am looking phone for gaming without lags
which is best for tat?
not much costlier
I would say go for Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini . It's got 1GB RAM , more internal storage and a better graphic chipset .
It's just a little more expensive .
One of my friends has it and it just feels alot more polished and smooth . The extra-RAM are no big deal though . I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM , but on S3M it lags less . I guess the graphic chipset helps alot .
Uizz.UW said:
I would say go for Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini . It's got 1GB RAM , more internal storage and a better graphic chipset .
It's just a little more expensive .
One of my friends has it and it just feels alot more polished and smooth . The extra-RAM are no big deal though . I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM , but on S3M it lags less . I guess the graphic chipset helps alot .
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"Free ram" is windows bull****, android has nothing to do with windows or the way how they works or handle ram, since its basicaly a linux distro...
mindlesSheep said:
"Free ram" is windows bull****, android has nothing to do with windows or the way how they works or handle ram, since its basicaly a linux distro...
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Ok, why dont you try and open as many apps until the ram is full. Then try to use your phone, see what happens.
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angel.grin said:
Ok, why dont you try and open as many apps until the ram is full. Then try to use your phone, see what happens.
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Free RAM = Wasted RAM. Full RAM = Awesome Multitasking.
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Stereo8 said:
Free RAM = Wasted RAM. Full RAM = Awesome Multitasking.
Sent from my awesome, stock, Nexus7!
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Nope do some tests before you say that. In windows when the ram is full or already used or the program needs more the program crashes then you have to close/exit it manually. In android the system closes apps automatically to free up more ram for the app that you are currently using. More free ram= less lag. Ever wonder why there are so many scripts for ram/memory managment if free ram is useless. Anyway no use convincing you. Hehe just sharing what i understand. Cheers
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The Android Manual said:
Nah... Just buy a One S or a Nexus 4
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The Nexus 4 is nice yes, but still not the best, it has many problems and features that didn't work right and some bugs which Google didn't fix for many updates....
If you have enough money, I would choose the new HTC One
ORA 1 said:
Nothing wrong with the Desire X at all.
The phone does everything that it is supposed to do.
If you look after your phone, it will look after you.
ORA
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Yes that's the point ^^ The Desire X is not the very best High-End phone, but it is still a very nice and great working phone with good performance
I love it <3
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udhayababu said:
Am looking phone for gaming without lags
which is best for tat?
not much costlier
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desire x is a good device dont bother looking for galaxy s3 mini its not released nor will it release in india.The nexus 4 if released at the US price point is an excellent buy else if from what i have heard @500$ seems kindof pricey.
Look at LAVA XOLO Q800,Micromax Canvas HD, Spice Titanium s1 ,and all the other local brands if you aren't so hung up about custom roms(I for one am).
If you are willing to wait for say a month or so there is Xperia L(Available for preorder) ,Optimus L9 And ofcourse there is Galaxy Grand.
EDIT: #zen-mode-ON
the desire X is the true choice of Needs and Wants it is actually everything that you need(yes gaming is also very good eg Dead Trigger). But then what exactly you want a 10 inch screen 16 core processor 1TB ram the demands are endless so you have gotta make a choice a balance between needs and wants.
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Nope do some tests before you say that. In windows when the ram is full or already used or the program needs more the program crashes then you have to close/exit it manually. In android the system closes apps automatically to free up more ram for the app that you are currently using. More free ram= less lag. Ever wonder why there are so many scripts for ram/memory managment if free ram is useless. Anyway no use convincing you. Hehe just sharing what i understand. Cheers
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I am not saying that every last piece of ram is used by cache, after phone reboot, you have plenty of free ram, until you start acctualy use apps and fill cache a bit, but linux is working with ram not unlike windows, you said that yourself. I never said memory management is useless, ofc it is usefull, a lot, my point was that claiming "I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM" has same value as "I had pancakes yesterday" ... I could have, while playing nova 3 much more free ram if I am after phone reboot (and plenty of other ways), I can have less free ram if I used plenty of apps before, it still wont change quality of gameplay, smoothness or anything (unless you really try to make it laggy with anything you have got, which is possible ofc).
quick edit: I am multitasker, I have never met any lag apart from starting apps and other "regular ones" android is handling this pretty good
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I am not saying that every last piece of ram is used by cache, after phone reboot, you have plenty of free ram, until you start acctualy use apps and fill cache a bit, but linux is working with ram not unlike windows, you said that yourself. I never said memory management is useless, ofc it is usefull, a lot, my point was that claiming "I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM" has same value as "I had pancakes yesterday" ... I could have, while playing nova 3 much more free ram if I am after phone reboot (and plenty of other ways), I can have less free ram if I used plenty of apps before, it still wont change quality of gameplay, smoothness or anything (unless you really try to make it laggy with anything you have got, which is possible ofc).
quick edit: I am multitasker, I have never met any lag apart from starting apps and other "regular ones" android is handling this pretty good
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ok got your point.i have a different experience so maybe we have different opinions. no point in debating. cheers
to the ts. i really dont like the cpu and gpu combo in the dx.. gpu not that good.. if it had a better gpu maybe i would buy this. go find a device with a good gpu from mid to high. this is just low end gpu. adreno 203 < sgx 531 based on my experience and benchmarks. so better find a cellphone with a good gpu that how i choose a new phone though.
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I am not saying that every last piece of ram is used by cache, after phone reboot, you have plenty of free ram, until you start acctualy use apps and fill cache a bit, but linux is working with ram not unlike windows, you said that yourself. I never said memory management is useless, ofc it is usefull, a lot, my point was that claiming "I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM" has same value as "I had pancakes yesterday" ... I could have, while playing nova 3 much more free ram if I am after phone reboot (and plenty of other ways), I can have less free ram if I used plenty of apps before, it still wont change quality of gameplay, smoothness or anything (unless you really try to make it laggy with anything you have got, which is possible ofc).
quick edit: I am multitasker, I have never met any lag apart from starting apps and other "regular ones" android is handling this pretty good
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I didn't mean that having more free RAM is a bonus , I just wanted to point out that RAM is not something to take into consideration when gaming . Speciffically , that it's got more than enough for any high-end game . Having enough or more than enough are both better than NOT having enough at all .
Indeed I am a lot more familiar with Windows' way of dealing with RAM , however I've seen how Linux works as well , and even though you are right in saying that using more RAM grants you better multitasking , the way Android handles the RAM on the DX is far from perfect . From my experience , Samsung devices manage RAM A LOT better than any other brand I've tried so far (at least on low / middle end devices) . HTC doesn't do a bad job , but it's not to be praised either , at least not on the DX . Then again , look at an LG's RAM management and you'll most likely start crying xD !
Hi Folks,
I would like to start new thread regarding my question so that I can get replies based on latest phones out there. I am looking for an Android phone for my wife and I have few things on my mind.
Existing phone - HTC Explorer. Pretty good phone and the fact that it runs on Gingerbread makes it quite fast and responsive even with mediocre hardware. Only drawback is internal storage (150 mb) which is why I am now looking for new phone.
Expected new phone - (Atleast) 1Ghz dual core, 1GB RAM, >1500 mAh battery, Internal storage 4GB. Display, OS version and other things not so much important. Budget - 15K-18K INR. Also need ambient light sensor mandatory so that I can set "Auto Brightness" ON which makes huge difference on battery.
Usage - Common apps like Facebook, Gmail, Whatsapp and few lightweight games and nothing heavy.
There are a quite a few phones which matches above config in that budget but I tried to did extensive research on reviews by GSMArena, Engadget etc and I couldn't shortlist one proper phone which will give all round performance. What I am really looking for is phone that will not start lagging after usage of couple of months and should provide decent battery backup.
Also I do not understand myth around actual RAM that is available for phone. I thought HTC Desire X could be good phone but I am not quite sure how much RAM out 768MB will be actually user available. I had HTC One V and it said 512 RAM but it showed only 350MB on phone. And HTC phones comes with heavier Sense and it kills lot of RAM. Also I noticed that JellyBean (although butter smooth) tends to lag on phones with lesser RAM. I had rooted my HTC One V and tried CM10 PrimoU on it but still it started lagging after few days. Thus 350MB RAM was never enough for Jellybean. Hence I am not sure how will HTC Desire X turns out.
Good thing about HTC Explorer Gingerbread was that it was lightweight and runs super fast even on ordinary config. I was even tempted to go for Gingerbread out of box phone with better config and never update OS but I am not sure if that will be good decision based on app supports in future. Currently I am using Nexus 4 and no other phone can match its performance with 2GB RAM without additional customization like Sense, Touchwiz etc. But I have some budget constraint buying this new phone and besides, wife not being heavy user and doesn't prefer too large screen phone, I am looking for something else.
Any ideas, suggestion will be helpful.
-Abhijit
Hello. First - sorry for very bad english. I dont been here long time. I have few questions, bcs I am curious.
I used before serious PC machines with Windows 2008 r2 Servers. Also Cent OS. So I am not so big Android expert but I know few things. I also used maybe 20 windows mobile phones before.
So I am limited with lang but I will try to explain problems. I will be little android hater. I haved HTC Tytn 2 for years. He haved 128 MB rams and with some lite/custom roms he run 40 apps without lag on Windows Mobile 6.1
Okay. My favourite Windows OS died so I must move on Android. Okay Samsung Touch Wiz / Android is cool experience. But only UI. I haved s2/s3mini/s3/s3 neo (at this moment)/s4 mini.
So why android suck ? On s2 we have android 2.3.6 (great) and mostly 4.1.2. First work incredible (so much free ram + older apps) nad 4.1.2 work great until last days. I mean today you cant run 3 apps and android close previous apps. Boring. 1 gb ram for what ?! Why Android consume so much ram ? For what ? Okay Android is cool, nice UI, but 1 gb on nothing ?!?! Okay. I understand foreground/background/cached process. I mean no matter how much new device you have.
RAM kill you !!! Later I buy s3 with quad - he suck. He consume more ram. Btw I root all devices and use scripts to debloat and I also alone remove apps/services. S3 is nice phone if you want to run 2-3 modern apps.
Cached process sucks. They slow down phones like hell. Okay I sold bad s3 and buy s4 mini.
Great phone 1.5 gb ram, solid dual core.... but we actually have 1.35 ram and 906 MB used on stock rom. Lol. I make serious debloat on 4.2.2 (brazilian) bcs stupid Samsung dont allow downgrade from even worse 4.4.2.
So after very serious debloat, scripts and lot of learning I make my best result. 312 MB ram USED from 1350 MB.
Super fast experience. I run 24 apps instant on stock debloated rom. I googled every stupid process. I removed almost everything expect contacts/sms/gallery.... I haved 9 icons. Only 5 active process. Super fast.
But after some time superamoled lose colors (i used him all day like PC) and my eyes was hurted so much. So I buy new s3 neo.
1.5 GB ram (1.35 available). On stock (no provider) rom he use 800 MB. From 1.35 GB. After 2 apps he is sooooooo super slow. And this is "smartphone" ?!?!?!? I cant run few stupid apps ? Bcs of lack of ram ?
Okay I modified script from s4 mini from Jelly Bean and I removed everything on Kit Kat. Result is 512 MB used from 1350. Okay. Not so bad.
I also save 20 GB old apps. They consume much less memory. So I installed same apps like on s4 mini with 4.2.2.
On s3 Neo with 4.4.2 they consume much moreeeeeeeee ram. Phone is super fast until you run browser + 2-3 apps. After that ram move on 1 GB used and he never user 0.35 GB. Limit is 1.35 GB.
So I am curious what is hell wrong with android ? If I dont have money to buy device with 3 GB ram I am in serious trouble to run smothly few android apps.
So from my personal experience expect pure CPU power, even Windows Mobile 6.1 with 128 MB ram do tasks lot better than android with 1.5 GB ram. Even my Tytn 2 run 30 much serious apps then simple android on 128 mb ram with no problem.
Every year we got new devices, new Android OS and more slower phones. I mean come on. For what android spend all my ram (expect stupid cashing) and make phone damn slow for every simple multitasking with few apps ?!?!
Only 2 android os what was good are : S2 with old 2.3.6 (old apps - blazing fast) and s4 mini 4.2.2 (serious debloat).
With my last phone s3 neo I am disapointed. He consume damn so much ram even if he is serious debloated (500 ram of 1350 usage). After 3 apps he slow down. For me is Android huge fail.
So I want to move on on Windows Phone. I always used HTC WM and Samsung Android.
I dont care for options and new os. I want to run super smooth browser, irc, image browser, badoo and to listen YT. That is all. So can someone reccomend me any newer phone (not new) what can do few simple tasks without lag ? Even HTC Tytn 2 work better than s3 neo (expect Popcorn movies - hardware). I really need new platform and good multitasking.
And why the hell Samsung make so good and bad phones in ssme time ? Amoled is best, specs are good but android sucks in every sence. Multitasking ZERO. Ram consumption WORST, performance downgrade after few even older apps HUGE.
I like s3 neo like phone. But I want simple stock os with 1 GB ram free ! Not to fill ram with 2 stupid apps. I dont have money for galaxy s5/s6. Android like OS on MY PERSONAL NOOB oppinion is worst experience.
Which phone to buy and what about Windows Phone ? WP look bad (ugly) but if he is half good like WM I will change OS. I only want multitaking sith minimal 10 apps running without problem.