As many of us know, our chipset is already on Turbo to 800mhz. The recommended is 600. Most of us are on the belief that it can still be overclocked... is it possible? Anyone familiar with hardware here?
(It may be a waste of time for developers include it and test a phone being over-overclocked... not to mention probable damage too.)
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consegregate said:
As many of us know, our chipset is already on Turbo to 800mhz. The recommended is 600. Most of us are on the belief that it can still be overclocked... is it possible? Anyone familiar with hardware here?
(It may be a waste of time for developers include it and test a phone being over-overclocked... not to mention probable damage too.)
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Dude if u would have done a simple search on ace xda u would have found many threads related to the topic which u trying to get answer..
Anyways coming to ur points ...
Ya its possible...1GHz is the max...and no developer right now its working on overclocking..and that 1 GHz will m make ur battery drain faster.....
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digkong said:
Dude if u would have done a simple search on ace xda u would have found many threads related to the topic which u trying to get answer..
Anyways coming to ur points ...
Ya its possible...1GHz is the max...and no developer right now its working on overclocking..and that 1 GHz will m make ur battery drain faster.....
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No need to be so aggressive sir that would just sound trollish.
"simple search" arrives at a thread of your question about ace overclock, rumor of "1.3 Ghz" but can you include your source?
The chipset we're using, the Qualcomm MSM7227 chipset, is a 600mhz processor which samsung overclocked to 800.. If it's overclocked already at 800 I'm asking if it would be safe to do it further? Since some of us are under the impression that the processor is packaged for 800mhz as original.
it isn't overclocked, it's turbo boosted.
i know that these things are 2 different things.
shailo said:
it isn't overclocked, it's turbo boosted.
i know that these things are 2 different things.
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Weird though it runs "turbo" most of the time in use..
Do you know the difference? Google brings no results.
Qualcomm msm7227 turbo
I actually met a person working in Qualcomm and i had asked him that if the processor on our ace is overclocked or not. He told no. It seems that qualcomm uses a better processor on the chipset whose regualr clock frequency is 800 MHz. I have used a ZTE blade and tried to overclock it and it hangs at 729 MHz and it has msm7227 chipset. Our ace naturally is at 800 MHz so thus AFAIK it can be overclocked
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I actually met a person working in Qualcomm and i had asked him that if the processor on our ace is overclocked or not. He told no. It seems that qualcomm uses a better processor on the chipset whose regualr clock frequency is 800 MHz. I have used a ZTE blade and tried to overclock it and it hangs at 729 MHz and it has msm7227 chipset. Our ace naturally is at 800 MHz so thus AFAIK it can be overclocked
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That is really helpful. X10 Mini Pro uses msm 7227 chipset too and the best people can push is 768 before it freezes... Okay I feel better now, this phone can get 1 Ghz in the future. Awaiting the maturing of the development of this phone!
This may help you..a thread about overclocking
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5600295&postcount=1
Related
www.mobilecrunch.com/2011/06/01/qualcomm-adobe-optimize-flash-for-snapdragon-powered-android-phones/
Saw this article today that indicates qualcomm is working with adobe to bring flash to the msm7x27 chipset.
Awesome
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Nice....
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Pretty interesting news
but will the 800mhz thingy be the thing that limits us?
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but will the 800mhz thingy be the thing that limits us?
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Overclocking may be a solution?
These are really great news. I hope we will get flash as soon as possible. Let's see how these things will go.
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Sounds like it may be hardware accelerated. Hopefully it is because my nook with an a8 CPU at 1.2ghz has issues playing 480p flash videos without hardware acceleration. Would imagine my optimus overclocked at 806mhz would have issues with 360p flash videos without hardware acceleration.
Good news but how will we get 800mhz on O1???It should be possible bcoz if not how Sam Ace & Gio are running on that speed!!!
Jaani said:
Good news but how will we get 800mhz on O1???It should be possible bcoz if not how Sam Ace & Gio are running on that speed!!!
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You probably will not. 768MHz is completely stable here though, anything above that => not good.
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You probably will not. 768MHz is completely stable here though, anything above that => not good.
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Well, sometime you can get 800MHz. But overclocking is strange device dependent. So, somebody have 768 very stable you, but somebody can have 800 and somebody have some problems also on 710 like me for example.
I believe the ARM1176 processor is designed to 800 MHz for my LG Optimus V.
Not sure that everyone else is running the same processor, but I think there are two speeds for the ARM v.6, all flavors, which is 800 MHz and 1GHz. The cell manufacturers lower the speed to conserve power and I'm certain buy the less expensive 800 MHz version.
So everyones CPU should be 800 MHz capable...that does not mean that the memory I/O can take a similar speed up - I don't know exactly what is being sped up with the CPU overclock, but the CPU itself shouldn't have any issues. If it is the system clock, then the I/O is already being timed appropriately and a speed up is overclock for it, but 800 MHz is not an overclock for the CPU.
Good news people let's wait and see...
Nice! I have been waiting for this from long time ago.
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I believe the ARM1176 processor is designed to 800 MHz for my LG Optimus V.
Not sure that everyone else is running the same processor, but I think there are two speeds for the ARM v.6, all flavors, which is 800 MHz and 1GHz. The cell manufacturers lower the speed to conserve power and I'm certain buy the less expensive 800 MHz version.
So everyones CPU should be 800 MHz capable...that does not mean that the memory I/O can take a similar speed up - I don't know exactly what is being sped up with the CPU overclock, but the CPU itself shouldn't have any issues. If it is the system clock, then the I/O is already being timed appropriately and a speed up is overclock for it, but 800 MHz is not an overclock for the CPU.
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it is possible but for most peoples ROM anything past 787 will give a kernel error and reboot the phone the only ROMi got it to work on was Megatron ROM
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On Spica Max Neocore output was 7 fps and on o1 its 63 fps currently.
Even than I could play games like ninjump and mx moto.
So what difference would be there in performance even if we can clock till 768-787 and not 806.
Will the flash not run because our clock speed is 787 and not 800?
I hope people are getting what I am asking. When our o1 can handle things like Neocore 63 fps, 1gb ext partition, multi format video playback, then why would it be difficult to run flash on 787 instead of 800 even when flash would be optimized for our kind of processors?
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Awesome news. Hope we get it soon.
More or less flash should work on or device even at 600mhz, the real issue is to optimize it for our chip set instructions.
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I believe the ARM1176 processor is designed to 800 MHz for my LG Optimus V.
Not sure that everyone else is running the same processor, but I think there are two speeds for the ARM v.6, all flavors, which is 800 MHz and 1GHz. The cell manufacturers lower the speed to conserve power and I'm certain buy the less expensive 800 MHz version.
So everyones CPU should be 800 MHz capable...that does not mean that the memory I/O can take a similar speed up - I don't know exactly what is being sped up with the CPU overclock, but the CPU itself shouldn't have any issues. If it is the system clock, then the I/O is already being timed appropriately and a speed up is overclock for it, but 800 MHz is not an overclock for the CPU.
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I hope so i wonder if our Froyo(O1lg) kernel source varies greatly with Ace's kernel code ...SoC chipset is the same msm7227 for other devices code wud vary but the vga and other arm(assembly) code must be the same..If any kernel developers cud please look into it
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You probably will not. 768MHz is completely stable here though, anything above that => not good.
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Exactly. And even if there was a way to run flash on O1, I wouldn't bother with it myself. It would only slow down the phone and kill the battery life in two seconds.. I really, really don't understand what the big deal about this is. Low-budget phone, no flash. End of discussion lol.
I just saw the specs of galaxy ace.
Same adreno 200 gpu as our's and the same processor msm7227 but clocked at 800 Mhz....wtf?
I couldnt overclock my phone to a stable 806 ever
Can anyone make any comments please??
take a look
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_ace_s5830-3724.php
divyanshu308 said:
I just saw the specs of galaxy ace.
Same adreno 200 gpu as our's and the same processor msm7227 but clocked at 800 Mhz....wtf?
I couldnt overclock my phone to a stable 806 ever
Can anyone make any comments please??
take a look
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_ace_s5830-3724.php
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Kernel matters rolleys.
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Yes, Its due to kernel only. And not to worry so mush. What FK has given us till now you can use @ 768, It's not bad at all.
lol binodray, u know about android or ur just acting like u know??
we cant overclock because the msm7227 in our device is connected to cheap cables and busses and probably cheap ahb or something...
thats y some people are able to overclock to 806 and some people are not able to...
No dear I don’t know anything.
On a short note
The MSM7227 is ARM 11 family 32bit Qualcomm MSM7225 processor. This series seems to run PLL2 at 1200MHz, which is why they are capable of running at 600MHz. (1200/2 binary thing).
what is over clocking?
Over clocking typically refers to running a CPU at a clock speed higher than that for which it was originally designed. And the kernel is told that it is being run at a higher speed (In realty it’s not).
Why phone crash?
When phone generate very high voltage due to increased clock speed we have kernel panic in result.
How we solve this?
As far as I know if dev can alter UV table in kernel we can have processor with 1728 which is 864. This means there could be one kernel supporting OC frequencies up to 1728Mhz (lets say 1728,1600,1500,1400,1300,1200,1120), and user could choose which ones he wants to use (eg 1400 and 1120, disabling the rest).
Hope this will make you clear why we need kernel and why OC is based on kernel codes.
Is there really no way to overclock our p500 to default 800mhz? i saw the samsung galaxy ace is running the same processor with us but the default cpu is 800mhz
Is there possible to overclock more to 800mhz for our p500?for me,748 stable for me,but when i change to 768,sometimes it will black screen and no responding n i got to take our my battery..
Sorry, physically it is NOT the same processor. I have explained it many times here. All those Intels/AMDs with exact same stepping sold at different freqs are also the "same" processor.
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Sorry, physically it is NOT the same processor. I have explained it many times here. All those Intels/AMDs with exact same stepping sold at different freqs are also the "same" processor.
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but i heard that for galaxy ace samsung has overclock itself to 800mhz?they say the original fre also 600mhz?
it has to do with the way the mass produce IC. They are not the same cpus. Google for terms, stepping and waffer to get the picture
This is just absolutely lost cause trying to explain this, apparently. If you assume that LG are complete morons who could sell their phone with 800MHz CPU but they decided that would be too cool, continue to do so. You own experience shows that the chip is NOT stable @800 MHz. Guess what, yeah it is not rated to run @ that frequency, that is why LG buys it cheaper and why it sells it clocked @600 MHz.
Bye.
Is there a way to overclock the Adreno 220 GPU that I consider to be laying dormant as of now inside the HTC EVO 3D and Sensation? I read some of post the the Desire HD section that mentioned they were jealous that the sensation already got a GPU overclock but they didn't provide a link and my searches have come up with nothing. If I could, I would post a link, but I didn't find anything. If anyone could provide a hit of clarity or insight into this topic, please do.
there is already a thread requesting that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1285205
here is the sensation kernel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1256668
Dear god I wouldn't do that. The adreno 220 is a very good gpu. I think it's the fastest one commercially available.
Plus I've had a bad history with gpu overclocking. I tried overclocking my ATI 4820 and it just ended up not working at all
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FYI, just about every single ROM available right now already has overclocked GPU, check the changelogs/feature lists.
well thank you for redirecting me, and i was hoping somebody would have made some sort of app as was done for the Samsung GSII, but thank you nonetheless
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FYI, just about every single ROM available right now already has overclocked GPU, check the changelogs/feature lists.
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From every ROM I've ever seen they never say the GPU has been overclocked. That requires Kernel modified.
Everything I've seen states "GPU Tweaks" which I believe only means they've tweaked the amount of memory allocated or the MPAA settings. Which is just a simple prop edit.
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FYI, just about every single ROM available right now already has overclocked GPU, check the changelogs/feature lists.
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roms cant overclock the GPU - it is overclocked in the kernel - most roms use stock kernel.
im working on a kernel now to OC the GPU to qualcomm spec. (so its not really being overclocked - but it is abt 40mhz faster than HTC spec)
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roms cant overclock the GPU - it is overclocked in the kernel - most roms use stock kernel.
im working on a kernel now to OC the GPU to qualcomm spec. (so its not really being overclocked - but it is abt 40mhz faster than HTC spec)
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hao pley?
lol serious question.
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how is this thread going ?
I would really much like to see the possibility to overclock the adreno 220 because I think we can gain a lot of preformance in games etc..
hope someone looks in to it
Actually that isn't over clocking at all. Thats the normal speed. Htc under clocked it on us.
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Umm its been here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1318005
It overclocks the gpu to either 300 mhz or 320
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is this gonna work on Europe version?
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Actually that isn't over clocking at all. Thats the normal speed. Htc under clocked it on us.
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qualcomm spec was 320MHz max (for HW001 and HW002)
i have 2 kernels - 1 @ 300 and 1 @ 320
How the andrino 220 stack up now,compare to the iphone 4S one and the mali 400,any answers will be greatly appreciated.
I am looking to buy a new phone,i don't like iphones,my current one is a Vibrant,so i am thinking about the Galaxys 2 from T mobile.
But since it use a 1.5 qualcoom cpu and andreno 220 GPU i don't know,since i don't know that GPU well,i don't know if it is weak or not,i love the Vibrant GPU it was quite ahead of anything until the Tegra 2 arrived.
Let's summarize for a second here:
The Qualcomm CPU is built for 1.5GHz, but underclocked to 1.2 GHz to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is underclocked to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is anywhere from ~5-50% faster than the Tegra 2 dependent on the benchmark/utility/application
The Adreno 220 (even underclocked) will perform so well that any mobile game out today will run without any perceived negative performance that is humanly detectible.
The Adreno 220 performs so well that the above will still be true for any mobile game that comes out between now and the time you get your next device
With the above facts true, there is effectively zero reason to currently want or need to overclock the GPU. What reason did you have to want to? Just to say you did? The way I see it the perceived benefits can't possibly outweigh the risks. I'm not sure (without doing the research) but I believe the Adreno 220 is still the best performing GPU on the market.
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Let's summarize for a second here:
The Qualcomm CPU is built for 1.5GHz, but underclocked to 1.2 GHz to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is underclocked to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is anywhere from ~5-50% faster than the Tegra 2 dependent on the benchmark/utility/application
The Adreno 220 (even underclocked) will perform so well that any mobile game out today will run without any perceived negative performance that is humanly detectible.
The Adreno 220 performs so well that the above will still be true for any mobile game that comes out between now and the time you get your next device
With the above facts true, there is effectively zero reason to currently want or need to overclock the GPU. What reason did you have to want to? Just to say you did? The way I see it the perceived benefits can't possibly outweigh the risks. I'm not sure (without doing the research) but I believe the Adreno 220 is still the best performing GPU on the market.
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I have see some performance test and at least vs the Mali 400 which the other galaxy have is actually the slowest,i actually have read some reviews that say the T mobile one is the weakest performance wise thanks to the Adreno 220,but saw some text in which the Adreno was faster than the Tegra 2.
Since i am looking to buy a T mobile galaxy S i am trying to get the most research to see if i get it or not.
hello guys... im plaining to get a new phone.. with Snapdragon 800 but i was reading thers 2 diferent Chips... the Low bin (Qualcomm MSM8974)
and the High bin (Qualcomm MSM8974AB) ... and i want something realy good that dosent f**k in some months... im a gamer so i love performance and good visuals.. and i know 2.2GHz are good but i was reading the NOTE 3 has the same Chip(Qualcomm MSM8974 the low bin) and its at 2.3Ghz... u guys think this can be solve by a kernel in the future? to get more GHz and MHz on GPU.. ? give me an opinion please
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hello guys... im plaining to get a new phone.. with Snapdragon 800 but i was reading thers 2 diferent Chips... the Low bin (Qualcomm MSM8974)
and the High bin (Qualcomm MSM8974AB) ... and i want something realy good that dosent f**k in some months... im a gamer so i love performance and good visuals.. and i know 2.2GHz are good but i was reading the NOTE 3 has the same Chip(Qualcomm MSM8974 the low bin) and its at 2.3Ghz... u guys think this can be solve by a kernel in the future? to get more GHz and MHz on GPU.. ? give me an opinion please
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There is no difference in GPU with either device running snapdragon 800 SOC's. The chips are exactly the same in actual fact, its just the higher capacity of tolerance for the higher clocked speed. So if a chip could take a higher clock speed during a stress test, then they were clocked at 2.3ghz...
But even though on the XZU we have 2.2Ghz (2.150Ghz to be exact) we are more than likely to be able to overclock it to 2.3ghz... similarly that the 2.3Ghz SOC could be overclocked to 2.4Ghz...
- Obviously this depends on developers we get for the XZU.. and if they want to put the many man hours into kernel development
As far as future proof is concerned... The 800 will be good for 18 months...
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There is no difference in GPU with either device running snapdragon 800 SOC's. The chips are exactly the same in actual fact, its just the higher capacity of tolerance for the higher clocked speed. So if a chip could take a higher clock speed during a stress test, then they were clocked at 2.3ghz...
But even though on the XZU we have 2.2Ghz (2.150Ghz to be exact) we are more than likely to be able to overclock it to 2.3ghz... similarly that the 2.3Ghz SOC could be overclocked to 2.4Ghz...
- Obviously this depends on developers we get for the XZU.. and if they want to put the many man hours into kernel development
As far as future proof is concerned... The 800 will be good for 18 months...
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More than that it can only be that Sony actually set this limit for battery drain and thermal as well. While playing it become really hot. And if play and charge during the same time it become he'll. It remind me of the CPU that have on the HTC sensation and sensation XE, same CPU that was actually underclocked on the sensation.
As hamdogg just said, the CPU clock speed is not related to game, it's the GPU. All 800 SOC have the adreno 330
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thanks guys... because i want something good for the next months
Its dependant on so many variables and the Z Ultra has 50mg more allocated to video ram than other snapdragon devices. See comparison below
http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-benc...ow-it-stacks-against-the-sony-xperia-z-ultra/
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Its dependant on so many variables and the Z Ultra has 50mg more allocated to video ram than other snapdragon devices. See comparison below
http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-benc...ow-it-stacks-against-the-sony-xperia-z-ultra/
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So that's why the Ultra is so heavy!
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So that's why the Ultra is so heavy!
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Ha Ha yeah... mg or MB whats the difference