So when I go to the local Sprint store, they recommend the PDANet app as a way to tether for free. Great. I use it on the laptop. Works fine. But if I simply want to eliminate the USB cable and do exactly the same thing, they charge a dollar a day to eliminate the USB cable? I can't be the only one who thinks this is excessive!
So what are we really paying for when we pay for Sprint Hotspot? Whenever someone mentions rooting and using free wifi tether, there's always the "but you're stealing from Sprint" excuse. How can that be? My free wired tether (officially recommended by Sprint employees) is using exactly the same amount of Sprint's 3G bandwidth as it is when I use a free wireless tether app on root. So we know it isn't the data we're paying for. We're paying Sprint $30/mo for the privilege of not using a USB cable? I know it's possible that several (potentially many) devices could connect via a wifi access point, but technically if you know what you are doing, you can share an access point on a laptop easily too once you've connected the phone via the USB cable.
So I guess I don't get it. What am I missing? Why couldn't Sprint at least offer a single-connection hotspot option for FREE? It's obvious that Sprint wants to be seen as the "unlimited" provider. Giving the option to at least wirelessly tether a single device would put them in the lead. DO IT SPRINT!
Mike
mikeyxda said:
So when I go to the local Sprint store, they recommend the PDANet app as a way to tether for free. Great. I use it on the laptop. Works fine. But if I simply want to eliminate the USB cable and do exactly the same thing, they charge a dollar a day to eliminate the USB cable? I can't be the only one who thinks this is excessive!
So what are we really paying for when we pay for Sprint Hotspot? Whenever someone mentions rooting and using free wifi tether, there's always the "but you're stealing from Sprint" excuse. How can that be? My free wired tether (officially recommended by Sprint employees) is using exactly the same amount of Sprint's 3G bandwidth as it is when I use a free wireless tether app on root. So we know it isn't the data we're paying for. We're paying Sprint $30/mo for the privilege of not using a USB cable? I know it's possible that several (potentially many) devices could connect via a wifi access point, but technically if you know what you are doing, you can share an access point on a laptop easily too once you've connected the phone via the USB cable.
So I guess I don't get it. What am I missing? Why couldn't Sprint at least offer a single-connection hotspot option for FREE? It's obvious that Sprint wants to be seen as the "unlimited" provider. Giving the option to at least wirelessly tether a single device would put them in the lead. DO IT SPRINT!
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You probably got the one either retarded, or just nice and down to earth rep. Spring does not sanction the use of any tethering app, that's why they charge to use the built in one. Whoever told you that shouldn't have done so.
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You probably got the one either retarded, or just nice and down to earth rep. Spring does not sanction the use of any tethering app, that's why they charge to use the built in one. Whoever told you that shouldn't have done so.
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The app is in the market and doesn't require root. If they have a problem with Google's market and the apps within, then they should not run the Android OS. Sprint is just trying to sucker people by charging for this free feature.
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The app is in the market and doesn't require root. If they have a problem with Google's market and the apps within, then they should not run the Android OS. Sprint is just trying to sucker people by charging for this free feature.
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While this is true, they still don't condone tethering without paying for the hotspot. It's not unheard of for Sprint to drop customers over excessive data usage due to tethering.
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While this is true, they still don't condone tethering without paying for the hotspot. It's not unheard of for Sprint to drop customers over excessive data usage due to tethering.
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How would that work legally? It is a free app in the marketplace.
Sprint, and all other ISPs, have to pay for the bandwidth we use. When they offer us an "unlimited" plan they make a calculated guess as to how much data we may actually use and price their plan accordingly. They then hope we don't use too much.
However, the ability to tether throws the isps for a loop because of the potential for using so much more data. So they charge us an additional fee to cover the "excessive" bandwidth costs!
Of course they will never admit that the cost is for bandwidth since we are supposedly getting "unlimited". Its a catch-22 of lies for everyone.
Frankly, I get that bandwidth costs money. But I think its BS for a company to sell us unlimited data and then charge extra if we actually use it.
Either way, once this thing is rooted we will get around it.
Richard
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mikeyxda said:
So when I go to the local Sprint store, they recommend the PDANet app as a way to tether for free. Great. I use it on the laptop. Works fine. But if I simply want to eliminate the USB cable and do exactly the same thing, they charge a dollar a day to eliminate the USB cable? I can't be the only one who thinks this is excessive!
So what are we really paying for when we pay for Sprint Hotspot? Whenever someone mentions rooting and using free wifi tether, there's always the "but you're stealing from Sprint" excuse. How can that be? My free wired tether (officially recommended by Sprint employees) is using exactly the same amount of Sprint's 3G bandwidth as it is when I use a free wireless tether app on root. So we know it isn't the data we're paying for. We're paying Sprint $30/mo for the privilege of not using a USB cable? I know it's possible that several (potentially many) devices could connect via a wifi access point, but technically if you know what you are doing, you can share an access point on a laptop easily too once you've connected the phone via the USB cable.
So I guess I don't get it. What am I missing? Why couldn't Sprint at least offer a single-connection hotspot option for FREE? It's obvious that Sprint wants to be seen as the "unlimited" provider. Giving the option to at least wirelessly tether a single device would put them in the lead. DO IT SPRINT!
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Sprint's terms & conditions specifically prohibit tethering, unless paying for a plan that specifically allows for tethering. A Sprint rep telling you that you can tether for free doesn't suddenly change this fact. It might give you some leeway if you're caught tethering, but you're still against the T&C of your service.
I would prefer legitimately being able to tether without paying extra, but Sprint has the right to charge for it.
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How would that work legally? It is a free app in the marketplace.
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PDAnet isn't free, you have to buy the app or at least the full version. And Sprint can't ban the app because it can be used on many platforms and many devices so how do you think Sprint can ban it from the Android Market, Sprint doesn't own the Market, Google does.
Your whole argument in this thread is invalid. Sprint has every right to charge for its services and if you don't want to pay for them don't. If there are legit ways to get around the charges than do it. Don't whine here.
Good points and that's kinda why I brought it up. You have to wonder about both the present and the future of paid wireless tethering. I'm hoping soon that Sprint will lead the way to free tethering by announcing that they are the only company who now offers free wifi hotspots. Imagine how many people would switch THEN!
For now, we have free wired tethering that Sprint employees are (maybe "unofficially") supporting but yet you have to pay to do the same thing without the wire. And then there's the Nexus S which can do free wireless tether right out of the box as a standard feature. Sprint sets those up for you too, activates the phone, and you walk out of the store with a phone that does for free what they are charging us Evo 3D owners $30/mo for.
You gotta wonder WTF is up with the status of wireless tethering here.
Mike
mikeyxda said:
Good points and that's kinda why I brought it up. You have to wonder about both the present and the future of paid wireless tethering. I'm hoping soon that Sprint will lead the way to free tethering by announcing that they are the only company who now offers free wifi hotspots. Imagine how many people would switch THEN!
For now, we have free wired tethering that Sprint employees are (maybe "unofficially") supporting but yet you have to pay to do the same thing without the wire. And then there's the Nexus S which can do free wireless tether right out of the box as a standard feature. Sprint sets those up for you too, activates the phone, and you walk out of the store with a phone that does for free what they are charging us Evo 3D owners $30/mo for.
You gotta wonder WTF is up with the status of wireless tethering here.
Mike
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They charge you because they can. There is no other reason. They set the price as high as they think they can and still get a decent number of people to bite. The only reason the Nexus S does it for free out of the box is because Google didn't let Sprint tamper with the software and disable the feature.
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PDAnet isn't free, you have to buy the app or at least the full version. And Sprint can't ban the app because it can be used on many platforms and many devices so how do you think Sprint can ban it from the Android Market, Sprint doesn't own the Market, Google does.
Your whole argument in this thread is invalid. Sprint has every right to charge for its services and if you don't want to pay for them don't. If there are legit ways to get around the charges than do it. Don't whine here.
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AT&T & Verizon (from what I know) do in fact have tethering apps filtered out of the market on their service...
...I recall hearing that Sprint had a non-anti-tether-app policy, officially. I'm pretty sure I heard that on Androidcentral, but don't remember specifically.
Just don't abuse your tethering.
Though, truth be told, I could saturate that wimpy 3G connection with pandora and basic web surfing--on my phone....so I don't see what the big deal is...and 4G isn't metered by Sprint.
I say keep tethering, hopefully Sprint will overcompensate for the extra bandwidth people are abusing.
I've used the wireless tethering before sprint even started charging for it so screw them. If anything they're stealing from the devs who made the original app by charging such a ridiculous amount for something that's available for free.
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I've used the wireless tethering before sprint even started charging for it so screw them. If anything they're stealing from the devs who made the original app by charging such a ridiculous amount for something that's available for free.
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That's some jacked up logic, dude.
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The app is in the market and doesn't require root. If they have a problem with Google's market and the apps within, then they should not run the Android OS. Sprint is just trying to sucker people by charging for this free feature.
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rofl your on their network though and you sign a contract stating you won't.
Bottom line is this: There is only so much bandwidth to go around. You can't just pretend that the airwaves are limitless and "corporate greed" is the reason we can't go nuts with data usage. Fact is that if everybody did this, nobody would be able to have decent quality of service. It would be like trying to have a hundred people squeeze through a door at once. It's just a matter of physics, it can't be done.
Right now when it comes to wireless tethering, sprint is simply looking the other way. There are many things that they could be doing to stop it, and they are aware of these things (verizon and at&t implement many countermeasures) but they don't use any of them. Why exactly this is, I don't really know, but I'd wager to guess that they want to appeal to users like us who don't want to go to other carriers just because of the little things like this.
However they can't go to the opposite extreme and outright allow it, simply because if they did this, people WOULD go nuts with their data usage, and sprint couldn't afford that. So this is their middle ground: saying don't do it, but looking the other way when you do, and if you go overboard, they tell you to go with another provider.
And personally, I wouldn't have it any other way, and I give props to sprint for doing that.
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PDAnet isn't free, you have to buy the app or at least the full version. And Sprint can't ban the app because it can be used on many platforms and many devices so how do you think Sprint can ban it from the Android Market, Sprint doesn't own the Market, Google does.
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Sprint can ask Google to hide the app from sprint users, much in the same way that at&t and verizon asked google to hide the wifi tethering apps from their respective users, and google did exactly that.
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Bottom line is this: There is only so much bandwidth to go around. You can't just pretend that the airwaves are limitless and "corporate greed" is the reason we can't go nuts with data usage. Fact is that if everybody did this, nobody would be able to have decent quality of service. It would be like trying to have a hundred people squeeze through a door at once. It's just a matter of physics, it can't be done.
Right now when it comes to wireless tethering, sprint is simply looking the other way. There are many things that they could be doing to stop it, and they are aware of these things (verizon and at&t implement many countermeasures) but they don't use any of them. Why exactly this is, I don't really know, but I'd wager to guess that they want to appeal to users like us who don't want to go to other carriers just because of the little things like this.
However they can't go to the opposite extreme and outright allow it, simply because if they did this, people WOULD go nuts with their data usage, and sprint couldn't afford that. So this is their middle ground: saying don't do it, but looking the other way when you do, and if you go overboard, they tell you to go with another provider.
And personally, I wouldn't have it any other way, and I give props to sprint for doing that.
Sprint can ask Google to hide the app from sprint users, much in the same way that at&t and verizon asked google to hide the wifi tethering apps from their respective users, and google did exactly that.
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Well said...
What about how the nexus s 4G (which I had for a couple weeks) that has wired and wireless tether built into the stock android, without sprint blocking it? Hoe come that is exempt from the t&c?
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if you need justification to pay 30 bucks, good luck. You will never get it, atleast not from sprint. Everyone does it, atleast sprint gives you unlimited for 30 bucks.
it is what it is and it has been for a while now. If you want to legally use the phone as a hotspot you have to shell out 30 bucks. Yes its a *****, so is life.
tjb3401 said:
What about how the nexus s 4G (which I had for a couple weeks) that has wired and wireless tether built into the stock android, without sprint blocking it? Hoe come that is exempt from the t&c?
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Not sure but seeing as its built in to the phone, since Google doesn't let them touch the software, you can use it on the NS.
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I have an AT&T Galaxy S II "grandfathered in", meaning I get Unlimited Data for $30 per month.
I'm looking for a way to tether the HSPA+ connection to my iPad and MacBook. I use to do this on my iPhone 4 via PDANet. I can recall PDANet having an option which "stealth's" the connection, making it seem as traffic is going through the phone instead of another device instead. This way, you can get past AT&T's stupid restrictions and use your devices data plan to tether to other devices. I use to use about 30GB-50GB of 3G Data per month tethering and never had any problems!
I downloaded PDANet through the Market, but cannot find any "stealth" setting, neither can I find a way to tether wirelesses.
To sum this up: I'm looking for a way to tether my Galaxy S II's wireless connection wirelessly (making a wireless hotspot and having other devices connect to it). I want to do this while bypassing AT&T extra overpriced tethering fees; using my unlimited data plan instead.
Note: I can easily root my device. Actually, I'm about to now! (Booting Windows 8 rig)
Thank you for the help! XDA FTW!
Search is your friend. There have been million threads about this.
AT&T analyses the data patterns of what's being transmitted to determine whether someone's tethering. I have no idea how accurate it is but my guess is if you're a high data user you'll probably get flagged.
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AT&T analyses the data patterns of what's being transmitted to determine whether someone's tethering. I have no idea how accurate it is but my guess is if you're a high data user you'll probably get flagged.
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That's probably one contributing factor - their detection methods probably consume enough resources that they're not enabled in most cases until something flags you for investigation.
However I do know of at least one light tetherer (approx. 1GB usage) that apparently got nailed.
Just an update: I found out about Barnacle Wifi Tether, which seems to be my best bet. Two problems:
1. I'm not rooted (SuperOneClick is hanging while trying to root, but I do have a new kernel running). SuperOneClick hangs on "waiting for device". USB Debugging is checked in my settings and I have tried unplugging the device, turning off USB debugging, turning USB Debugging back on, then plugging the device back in. NO GO. Does anybody happen to know what my problem could be? I'm running the program as Admin on Windows 8 x64; running on a good rig.
2. "This item is not available on your carrier." SMD, AT&T. I'm sure there is a way around this - by downloading the APK elsewhere, perhaps? Any two cents on this?
Google has a Tether app. Does everything for you.
No, I don't have the link. No, I won't search for it. Why? Because people like you that use 30-50GB a month are the reason AT&T started cracking down on tethering. It's thanks to you that tethering plans are so expensive and why they keep trying to nail people that tether. I rarely tether but I use my phone pretty heavily and I still very rarely break 3GB a month. 30-50GB is stupidly excessive. Hope they backcharge you.
+1 on this ^^^
I never tether and use 6-8 GB a month using Pandora 5+ hours a day.
In the captivate forum someone claimed it was tracked down to the browser user agent. If you use IE they look for that browser agent. There was also someone that used the IE user agent data in the android browser to force desktop view and got a warning to stop tethering even though they never had. That might explain why you never got noticed with your iPhone, if you used safari on your Mac.
I don't think we'll ever know for sure how att sniffs it out, I bet they keep it under tight wraps.
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+1 on this ^^^
I never tether and use 6-8 GB a month using Pandora 5+ hours a day.
In the captivate forum someone claimed it was tracked down to the browser user agent. If you use IE they look for that browser agent. There was also someone that used the IE user agent data in the android browser to force desktop view and got a warning to stop tethering even though they never had. That might explain why you never got noticed with your iPhone, if you used safari on your Mac.
I don't think we'll ever know for sure how att sniffs it out, I bet they keep it under tight wraps.
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The User Agent on iPhone's Safari and Mac's Safari are different; but AT&T may just be stupid enough to get them mixed up
Not to mention, I use a desktop user agent on my Galaxy S II sometimes. Hmm. Makes you think.
User agents can EASILY be changed, though I can't find an option for Dolphin HD to change it...Weird.
hotleadsingerguy said:
Google has a Tether app. Does everything for you.
No, I don't have the link. No, I won't search for it. Why? Because people like you that use 30-50GB a month are the reason AT&T started cracking down on tethering. It's thanks to you that tethering plans are so expensive and why they keep trying to nail people that tether. I rarely tether but I use my phone pretty heavily and I still very rarely break 3GB a month. 30-50GB is stupidly excessive. Hope they backcharge you.
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Google's tethering App automatically activates AT&T's tethering data plan as far as I know. I went to activate it once and it said "Waiting for Activation" or something of that sort. I canceled it, though.
I don't use 30-50GB per month; that was only once and was due to my cousins watching porn and torrenting 24/7. It was actually accidental, I never knew they were using so much data until I checked my data usage one day at school to see how much I had used.
I use 4GB per month; max. Not to mention, I mainly tether to my iPad only most of the time. MacBook just isn't *that* portable.
Google Tethering in this forum instead !
Answers and solutions are already there. No, you don't need another app. Yes, you have to root your phone.
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I have an AT&T Galaxy S II "grandfathered in", meaning I get Unlimited Data for $30 per month.
I'm looking for a way to tether the HSPA+ connection to my iPad and MacBook. I use to do this on my iPhone 4 via PDANet. I can recall PDANet having an option which "stealth's" the connection, making it seem as traffic is going through the phone instead of another device instead. This way, you can get past AT&T's stupid restrictions and use your devices data plan to tether to other devices. I use to use about 30GB-50GB of 3G Data per month tethering and never had any problems!
I downloaded PDANet through the Market, but cannot find any "stealth" setting, neither can I find a way to tether wirelesses.
To sum this up: I'm looking for a way to tether my Galaxy S II's wireless connection wirelessly (making a wireless hotspot and having other devices connect to it). I want to do this while bypassing AT&T extra overpriced tethering fees; using my unlimited data plan instead.
Note: I can easily root my device. Actually, I'm about to now! (Booting Windows 8 rig)
Thank you for the help! XDA FTW!
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Honestly, what a dbag. Get out of here with your 30-50gb/mth, thanks for making the rest of us suffer because you can't afford a land line.
Finally got my device rooted. It was a driver issue, damn Samsung. Somehow the PDANet installer automatically installed working drivers for me.
I installed Barncale Wifi tether from their website and hooked up my MacBook and iPad. Pretty decent speeds, but since I live out in the country (around trees and such), I won't get above 3G speeds. In my town I get about 6mbit, though.
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Honestly, what a dbag. Get out of here with your 30-50gb/mth, thanks for making the rest of us suffer because you can't afford a land line.
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The time I hit 30GB+ of usage was a LONG time ago. If I were to hit that again, then I'd be throttled at about 10GB. You aren't suffering much.
Oh, and I do have a land line. It just sucks (4mbit). That's the highest I can get where I live.
Not to mention, I can't take a land line with me.
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Finally got my device rooted. It was a driver issue, damn Samsung. Somehow the PDANet installer automatically installed working drivers for me.
I installed Barncale Wifi tether from their website and hooked up my MacBook and iPad. Pretty decent speeds, but since I live out in the country (around trees and such), I won't get above 3G speeds. In my town I get about 6mbit, though.
The time I hit 30GB+ of usage was a LONG time ago. If I were to hit that again, then I'd be throttled at about 10GB. You aren't suffering much.
Oh, and I do have a land line. It just sucks (4mbit). That's the highest I can get where I live.
Not to mention, I can't take a land line with me.
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Dude just ignore them they are clearly the kind of people who think you should use the amount of data ATT thinks you should!
I on the other hand pay for unlimted so i use as much as i can and don't care what others think.
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un·lim·it·ed [ un límmitəd ]
not restricted: without limits, restrictions, or controls
infinite: lacking or appearing to lack a boundary or end
complete or total: not subject to qualification or exception
Synonyms: limitless, infinite, unrestricted, unrestrained, boundless, unconstrained, on tap, indefinite, ad nauseam, bottomless
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Dude just ignore them they are clearly the kind of people who think you should use the amount of data ATT thinks you should!
I on the other hand pay for unlimted so i use as much as i can and don't care what others think.
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un·lim·it·ed [ un límmitəd ]
not restricted: without limits, restrictions, or controls
infinite: lacking or appearing to lack a boundary or end
complete or total: not subject to qualification or exception
Synonyms: limitless, infinite, unrestricted, unrestrained, boundless, unconstrained, on tap, indefinite, ad nauseam, bottomless
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+1 and I have never tethered. I was FORCED to a unlimited plan many many hears ago with a Motorola Q9h I think it was called, upgraded to a cappy grandfathered in, and now on the SGS2. So like it says I have UNLIMITED and that is exactly how it should be, directly taken from your example from a dictionary. I have ALWAYS used dolphin HD with it set to desktop and so far I have never received a warning text from them. Maybe lucky, maybe will in time, nut I WILL argue my point with them about it if/when it does come up. I understand that those who use a lot of bandwidth slow it for others but we shouldn't be able to gripe about it since most HAD TO be forced onto the unlimited plan at some point when att made us. So don't worry about others that cry about it, they GET what they pay for as do us with the UNLIMITED plan. It is just their tough luck they didn't get it when they could have.
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Flashing a custom rom and using the mobile tether ive never had a problem. Well.last september i used about 5gb tethering my touchpad and i thought that was a lot lol~ havnt flashed a custom rom on my sgs2 so cant test lol
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lordstrife said:
Dude just ignore them they are clearly the kind of people who think you should use the amount of data ATT thinks you should!
I on the other hand pay for unlimted so i use as much as i can and don't care what others think.
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un·lim·it·ed [ un límmitəd ]
not restricted: without limits, restrictions, or controls
infinite: lacking or appearing to lack a boundary or end
complete or total: not subject to qualification or exception
Synonyms: limitless, infinite, unrestricted, unrestrained, boundless, unconstrained, on tap, indefinite, ad nauseam, bottomless
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You paid for unlimited WITHOUT tethering.
Tether abusers caused AT&T to kill the unlimited plans for those who actually use our devices in a reasonable fashion, and caused AT&T to institute the advanced tethering detection mechanisms they have in place now.
As a result, those who do tether responsibly are still at risk of getting nailed because of those that didn't.
Running cognition rom I can use the native tether and no probs here
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Entropy512 said:
You paid for unlimited WITHOUT tethering.
Tether abusers caused AT&T to kill the unlimited plans for those who actually use our devices in a reasonable fashion, and caused AT&T to institute the advanced tethering detection mechanisms they have in place now.
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What killed the unlimited data plan is not directly connected to tethering. It's the fact that AT&T was unable to handle the iPhone on their network alone.
Anyways, the new plans are making them MUCH more money. For one, people can now afford a smartphone as it's only $15/month more instead of $30/month more. This has caused many of my friends to get a smartphone, upgrading from their dumbphones.
Second, users who want a lot of data will have to pay more and more.
Third, most users didn't even go over 2GB of usage.
Verzion did the exact same thing, and I do believe Sprint is too follow. Sprint's network is slow enough already.
Don't go blaming people who tethered the reason behind no unlimited plan. Blame AT&T, the greedy bastards who just wanted to make more $$$. It's not our fault, sir.
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So, I've had AT&T for quite some time and enjoyed the 'unlimited' plan for equally as long. I had a Nokia N900 and I was able to tether/share and pretty much what-ever I want. Only problem was I never got 3G speeds on it.
About a year ago I was messing with a friends Android. I slapped my SIM in the phone, rebooted, played around some and then took my SIM out and gave it back to him. About an hour later on my phone I get this text message 'You've been switched to the 2GB Smart phone plan'. WTF?!?! So I call up AT&T support and they explain why it was switched and give me back my unlimited account (once I promised them that my friends phone wouldn't show up with my SIM in it again)
This brings me to last week. I see the S2 and decide that its the new phone I want. I call up and find out under no uncertain terms that my 'unlimited' plan will be taken from me the second I upgrade to any sort of smart phone. My only option is to leave AT&T and they are fine with that.
So then I think, I'll just buy another phone and be sneaky. Just to test I drop my SIM into my blackjack II I have laying around. Check my AT&T account about an hour later and find that sure enough, I've now been switched to the Smartphone plan again. No text message, no notification, nothing. No back out options, zip, nada, zilch.
In the end I gave up. It seems almost pointless to try and play games since I'm on their network which they run and control. Sure I'm quite sad about losing my unlimited plan and would do just about anything to get it back. I even considered leaving but everyone else's 'unlimited' plans aren't unlimited once you read the small print. I'm not a huge data user, but I do tend to go a little beyond the 4GB limit since I like to stream pandora and there are times when I'll need to download an iso image for someone's computer that I'm working on remotely somewhere and can't get online. Those options are now all gone for me.
If anyone has any suggestions I've only had my phone for a few days. If I knew I could call up AT&T and get my unlimited plan back with my S2 I'd do it. But each rep I talked to on the phone said that the 'unlimited' code that I had was no longer in the system and there was nothing they could do for me (of course). How everyone else is getting away with this or holding on to their unlimited plans I've no idea.
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You paid for unlimited WITHOUT tethering.
Tether abusers caused AT&T to kill the unlimited plans for those who actually use our devices in a reasonable fashion, and caused AT&T to institute the advanced tethering detection mechanisms they have in place now.
As a result, those who do tether responsibly are still at risk of getting nailed because of those that didn't.
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Blah that's BS. We all know why they got rid of unlimited plans and created tethering plans... MONEY. Cash is king and we are pawns for them to make money off of. They could care less how much data we use. What they care about is a way to score some cash for what we use the data for. Give it time, unlimited will be back to compete for dominance over a traditional land line.
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I've searched for a definitive answer on this, but can't find it.
If I use PDAnet on my i777 will I get immediately flagged for tethering?
I know that AT&T has advanced detection schemes to analyze data patterns, but I don't plan on using PDAnet for tethering very often at all - only when I'm stuck somewhere on the road where there's no other option. The amount of data that I would use would not in itself be anywhere near enough to trigger any kind of high-use detection scheme.
As long as data usage is low, does using PDAnet for tethering bypass AT&T's detection schemes?
If not, is there anything that can be done to prevent triggering of AT&T's tethering schemes for occasional, low usage tethering with or without PDAnet?
Yes, Att can see when you even Tether even 1kb. Att unjustly monitors your actions to make sure you are not tethering (its not illegal to tether) Ive checked over their terms and agreements and there is nothing in there that we agree to to allow att to monitor us like that. Sadly there is no law against corporations spying on people so this is allowed in America. Wonderful country we live in right?
#occupywallstreet
i tether 5gb everymonth and Ive never had a problem. Ive been doing this for a couble of years.
Is this on a i777? Using PDAnet?
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Yes, Att can see when you even Tether even 1kb. Att unjustly monitors your actions to make sure you are not tethering (its not illegal to tether) Ive checked over their terms and agreements and there is nothing in there that we agree to to allow att to monitor us like that. Sadly there is no law against corporations spying on people so this is allowed in America. Wonderful country we live in right?
#occupywallstreet
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http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-p...ended Purposes Of The Wireless Data Service?
Section 6.2 of the Wireless Customer Agreement.
Not only can att charge you for tethering, and back charge you, they need no proof, just a suspicion. They can also disconnect your line, then send you a bill for the tethering and your ETF.
You agreed not to tether at several points, at the onset of your att contract, when you signed up for data, and yearly when they send you another copy of your TOS.
Att has every right to control what you do on their network, especially when you have the ability to detract from the experience of others by using excessive bandwidth.
All the occupy wall street BS is such a joke.
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quarlow said:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-p...ended Purposes Of The Wireless Data Service?
Section 6.2 of the Wireless Customer Agreement.
Not only can att charge you for tethering, and back charge you, they need no proof, just a suspicion. They can also disconnect your line, then send you a bill for the tethering and your ETF.
You agreed not to tether at several points, at the onset of your att contract, when you signed up for data, and yearly when they send you another copy of your TOS.
Att has every right to control what you do on their network, especially when you have the ability to detract from the experience of others by using excessive bandwidth.
All the occupy wall street BS is such a joke.
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I've never received a tos even after requesting one. When I got my data plan tethering and the iPhone did not exist so now what?
If you think occupy is a joke you either have no clue what this is about, are rich, or just plain blind.
You are free to do what ever they tell you to do sir. Enjoy your slavery, ill still continue to fight for your rights as a human.
I wont get drawn into a debate about propoganda and rhetoric, so this is my final comment on that subject.
If you want to occupy wall street do it with your wallet. Because you sound like such an upstanding citizen I'm sure you have never given the following companies your money: AT&T, apple, Walmart, target, Amazon, Starbucks, McDonald's, Costco, any car manufacturer, etc. You also don't have a bank account, nor purchased a home in the past few years. Plus if you inherited a family fortune you would pay your full tax amount and donate the rest to charity.
The corporations aren't to blame, every American is. Everyone that enabled the distribution of wealth to be where it is. Instead of spewing propaganda like diarrhea of the mouth, be the change you want to see, set an example. Stop enabling the corporations. I'm glad to see your are doing your part by buying a brand new expensive smartphone.
Okay, back to the topic at hand, tethering. You risk identification every time you tether. If caught, because you have violated your terms, you will pay. Don't be ignorant enough to think that failure to read your terms means you are not liable. For example if you had an iPhone in the past you agreed twice to not tether, once in iTunes to activate your phone, and again on the phone itself. Att only give your one warning. If you stop tethering you're fine. If not you will permanently lose unlimited data if you have it.
There are plenty of ways to tether. If you root your phone you can use the built in tethering very easily. Regardless of how you tether, if you don't pay for it, it's at your own risk.
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wified said:
I've searched for a definitive answer on this, but can't find it.
If I use PDAnet on my i777 will I get immediately flagged for tethering?
I know that AT&T has advanced detection schemes to analyze data patterns, but I don't plan on using PDAnet for tethering very often at all - only when I'm stuck somewhere on the road where there's no other option. The amount of data that I would use would not in itself be anywhere near enough to trigger any kind of high-use detection scheme.
As long as data usage is low, does using PDAnet for tethering bypass AT&T's detection schemes?
If not, is there anything that can be done to prevent triggering of AT&T's tethering schemes for occasional, low usage tethering with or without PDAnet?
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I think they also check on the BROWSER type... So if IE is detected, that *might* present a problem more than the sporadic use...
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Yes, Att can see when you even Tether even 1kb. Att unjustly monitors your actions to make sure you are not tethering (its not illegal to tether) Ive checked over their terms and agreements and there is nothing in there that we agree to to allow att to monitor us like that. Sadly there is no law against corporations spying on people so this is allowed in America. Wonderful country we live in right?
#occupywallstreet
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LOL! Love your Occupy wall street *SIG* on last line BTW!!! It's not so much as *SPYING* because they're not monitoring what you're actually doing unless subpoena'd by Law Enforcement...
It's more about corporate greed... They already have the tech and infrastructure in place for tethering why not give it away as a perk? Answer because they don't have to and they want $. Why else would they charge $ for TEXTING???! Really!??!? Txting is such a bandwidth hog that they have to charge end users subsidies just so that they can quickly send txts?!???
*sigh* it's nothing more than big corp trying to squeeze every penny that they can...
There's no "if you get caught" in computers. They monitor for specific signatures, they see each and every one each and every time. They also surely monitor data usage. Given that they've never sent me a cease and desist, and I've been tethering since EDGE was the fastest network (though I'm not a heavy user by any definition), tethering by itself would not appear to be their primary concern. I think AT&T cares more about how much data you use. They take action against users who consistently degrade network performance, regardless of how the user is doing it...
Hi guys just wanted to let you know I found a way to get a working free mobile hotspot from Big Red using the same method as the Bionic's (thanx to who ever found this). Anyway I made a quick video for the the Razr. As for those wondering about Big Red watching you, I used 43 gb last month and 32 gb so far this month Also here's an article from XDA about throttling legalities on 4g networks. Can't say for sure, I'm no lawyer but it looks legit.
Worked perfectly. Thanks!
Your account can be flagged, and Verizon can either sue you for illegally using (read: stealing) their services, throttle you permanently, or just be nice and just tack on the tethering price to your monthly bill without telling you.
This is illegal, don't do it.
looks like you copied zedomax post man...
i am 1addictsad78 and i just found a way to resolve to endless loop by changing the MTU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdTOOfogAaU
So, we should stay away from this procedure???
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Your account can be flagged, and Verizon can either sue you for illegally using (read: stealing) their services, throttle you permanently, or just be nice and just tack on the tethering price to your monthly bill without telling you.
This is illegal, don't do it.
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This is NOT illegal, in my mind, if you have payed for a certain amount of data. You are not stealing their services because hot spotting is NOT their service. It is a a feature built into your phone that they blocked so they could charge you extra. Period. Even if this was illegal, you can always root and install a tethering app. At that point, I'd like to see them explain why this is still a service provided by then.
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Your account can be flagged, and Verizon can either sue you for illegally using (read: stealing) their services, throttle you permanently, or just be nice and just tack on the tethering price to your monthly bill without telling you.
This is illegal, don't do it.
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You are probably correct. I changed the setting back after testing because I don't need any legal issues (or an increase in my bill), but for people who don't care or think they won't get caught, the procedure at least appears sound...
i have a massive data when i started using the thunderbolt with open garden tether. I'm a netflix guy and use as a modem to my apartment for over 6months and never get flagged. now i have the droid razr doing this Verizon hotspot too.
grandfathered rules!
It's not a matter of legality. It's not illegal.
It's a matter of ethics. Are you willing to break the Terms of Service that you signed agreement with when you bought the service? And are you willing to deal with Verizon's reaction when they find out? If they add a tether charge to your account, you earned it.
@ x2breakoffate, you have paid for unlimited phone data. You have not paid for ANY tether data. They sold it to you with the data blocked. If you didn't like that you should not have bought a phone that was crippled.
What you offered is a lame attempt to make yourself feel better, not a justification.
If any of you would read the full post and the associated links, you would know about the Block C provision. I've used it for a couple months on the Bionic and had no problems.
@ ad78.....I'm sorry it wasn't clearly stated that this was not my own work and I copied it from the Bionic
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Hi guys just wanted to let you know I found a way to get a working free mobile hotspot from Big Red using the same method as the Bionic's (thanx to who ever found this).
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@ everyone else: Stated I am no lawyer but I can say for those like me on the UNLIMITED DATA PLAN, yes I think it's BS that they lock down the devices and limit tethering to a usb. As posted earlier http://goo.gl/cL3L1 it is illegal under Block C to limit or throttle 4g devices.
You can throttle Block C devices for reasonable network management reasons (you using a 100 GB of data per month and therefore causing data congestion is one of those reasons).
And yes, it is illegal to use a paid service without paying for it.
I could tap into DirectTV's cable service and use it for free somehow, or get channels that I'm not paying for...is it simply a moral dilemma because they lock it down "simply because they want to charge me money" for them?
Terms of use aren't just a wall of text there because they want to put it there, it's a legally binding document that you AGREED to (which is the equivalent of signing). They CAN sue you for "pirating" their officially branded tethering service on their network. That's what you're doing. You're disabling the check in THEIR software to make sure you have the tethering plan, and you're using THEIR officially branded service, through THEM, without paying THEM. That is illegal.
The only difference between this and pirating a version of Microsoft Office and disabling the serial check is the fact that it's more easily monitored since all of the stolen data you're sending is going through their servers, possibly with something attached that tells Verizon that you're tethering.
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you have paid for unlimited phone data. You have not paid for ANY tether data.
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There is no difference to phone data and tether data.
It's all just information sent by the TCP-IP protocol.
It is like buying a book, but you are only allowed to read it outside because you have not payed for the ability to read it by artificial light.
Its still stealing bottom line. If you can afford a smartphone you should be able to afford internet at home or just pay extra for a tethering plan.
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But in order for this to not count towards you're data is if you're on the grandfather plan and rooted right? Cuz if ur on a 4gb plan then you're data would count correct?
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With a net income of over 3 billion, I don't think it hurts them that much from the very few root user users and even fewer heavy 4g users.
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But in order for this to not count towards you're data is if you're on the grandfather plan and rooted right? Cuz if ur on a 4gb plan then you're data would count correct?
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Not sure what you mean. Basically I was grandfathered in on 3g unlimited so I fell into the unlimited 4g plan. Yes you have to be rooted to use this.
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Not sure what you mean. Basically I was grandfathered in on 3g unlimited so I fell into the unlimited 4g plan. Yes you have to be rooted to use this.
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Yea I meant the unlimited data plan. That's the only way you can use the tether hack because if your not on the unlimited data then if you use this hack you're data will count right?
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or you could just download the latest android wifi tether app from google. it works perfectly.
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There is no difference to phone data and tether data.
It's all just information sent by the TCP-IP protocol.
It is like buying a book, but you are only allowed to read it outside because you have not payed for the ability to read it by artificial light.
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No, it's like buying basic cable and expecting to get all of the channels. It's all just data sent by the cable line after all!!!
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With a net income of over 3 billion, I don't think it hurts them that much from the very few root user users and even fewer heavy 4g users.
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Right, let's just all steal food from Walmart, it's a multi-billion dollar retail chain, it won't hurt much.
Honestly, if you're going to tether, at least use a 3rd party app. Using their software to steal free service is like peeing on a cop car and expecting to get away with it.
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No, it's like buying basic cable and expecting to get all of the channels. It's all just data sent by the cable line after all!!!
Right, let's just all steal food from Walmart, it's a multi-billion dollar retail chain, it won't hurt much.
Honestly, if you're going to tether, at least use a 3rd party app. Using their software to steal free service is like peeing on a cop car and expecting to get away with it.
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Ok but if you use a 3rd party app to tether its still using your data allowence right?
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I figured that the WiFi tether root app should work fine with temp root, what I don't know is if Verizon can tell if we use it and thus, bill us for hotspot use? I remember that there was some concern with the Incredible that Verizon had somehow set it up where there could detect this, just wondering if anyone knows for sure if its safe on the Rez?
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I figured that the WiFi tether root app should work fine with temp root, what I don't know is if Verizon can tell if we use it and thus, bill us for hotspot use? I remember that there was some concern with the Incredible that Verizon had somehow set it up where there could detect this, just wondering if anyone knows for sure if its safe on the Rez?
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I have saw plenty of customers coming in to my location being billed or shut off until they remove the program. Why risk it? Right now they are being nice, you are stealing. Pay the $30, get unlimited hotspot, and don't worry about it. Back to the old saying, if you gotta ask, you shouldn't do it.
Been doing it on my Droid incredible for a long time. Doing it right now from my boys nook color at wrestling practice. Never been charged, or shut off. Don't feel like I am stealing, but others will. If they catch me, there is always other carriers. Would be rocking out on my resound overclocked, and undervolted with a nice cm7 theme, but they have that door locked. They r breaking the rules there, so we r even.
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I have saw plenty of customers coming in to my location being billed or shut off until they remove the program. Why risk it? Right now they are being nice, you are stealing. Pay the $30, get unlimited hotspot, and don't worry about it. Back to the old saying, if you gotta ask, you shouldn't do it.
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I fail to see how it's stealing. You pay for your data, so you should be able to use it.
I Don't See At All How It Is Stealing.
The Only Difference Between My Netbook And Cellphone Is Screensize.
Both Are Dual-Core.
Both Are HD Screens, One Is 4.3in And The Other Is 11.6in.
HDMI Out On Both.
Both Use USB Connections.
Both Have Headphones Jack.
Both Have Wi-Fi Antennas.
Netbook Can Use Skype Or Google Voice For Calling If I Wanted To. (Also Could Buy A 3G Wireless Card Instead Of Just Using Wi-Fi)
Both Are Charged By Plugging A Cable In.
Both Have Okay Battery Life.
Both Run Linux OS.
Google put the feature in froyo, and the carriers blocked it to make money. It's not stealing. At all. I know they have a tether guard apk on the thunderbolt. Havnt looked for it yet, and I don't know what it does
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Yeah locking the bootloaders on phones has been questioned legally multiple times. It's like the carriers are trying to control your smartphone experience.
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It's like the carriers are trying to control your smartphone experience.
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For most people that is a good thing. I am sure it helps mobile device security for the general population. If a webpage could execute a root method and then wipe your system partition, that would be terrible for the average user, so it gets nand-locked.
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Yeah locking the bootloaders on phones has been questioned legally multiple times. It's like the carriers are trying to control your smartphone experience.
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It's the "smart" check for the 4g hotspot. Hotspot won't work as long as that apk is disabled or missing.
Are they able to read it on the resound though? That hasn't been answered here. Do they know we are tethering on temp root?
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I froze the TetheringGuard.apk. I haven't even tried to use the WiFi tether app yet.
I don't think they can tell if you are tethering with root unless they are looking really closely.
I'm on the fence about hotspot. I think for occasional use (tablets), I'm ok with not paying for it, but if you are trying to use it as your home internet service, you should pay for it. Wireless broadband is not unlimited.
on my Inc I used it very rarely. I don't have a tablet and my laptop never leaves the house where I have cable WiFi. My data usage on Verizon averages 2-3 GB a month. I haven't tethered since getting the rez the day they came out. I use it on my work laptop once in a blue moon because they are Nazis and block EVERYTHING on their network.
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I fail to see how it's stealing. You pay for your data, so you should be able to use it.
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If someone charges for something, and you find a way around being charged for it and use it free, how is that not stealing? Not worth the debate, all of you that don't see it will not see it. You probably think getting music from p2p is also not stealing, until you get caught and thrown in prison.
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If someone charges for something, and you find a way around being charged for it and use it free, how is that not stealing? Not worth the debate, all of you that don't see it will not see it. You probably think getting music from p2p is also not stealing, until you get caught and thrown in prison.
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I see where you are coming from, but I don't think you quite understand what is going on behind the scenes. It seems like the carriers are trying to see how much they can get away with, and letting them do so is the worst thing for consumers. We aren't getting something for free, we have already paid for it; the carrier is trying to charge you for the same thing twice. It is like buying tickets to a game or concert, then being told you have to pay an extra fee if you want to use your own binoculars. Or buying a nice meal but being given a plastic spork to eat it with, and being charged more if you want to use your own fork and knife.
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I have unlimited data from bring grandfatherrd in. unlimited means unlimited no matter how u look at it. and if they say otherwise then they better change the wording around.
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what if your home cable or DSL broadband said that you could only use desktop computers with a physical connection, but charged you an extra $30 if you wanted to use a laptop over wifi? Its the same thing.. you are already paying for a certain allotment of data... Verizon has no right (in my opinion) to tell you on what devices you can use that data that you've paid for.
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what if your home cable or DSL broadband said that you could only use desktop computers with a physical connection, but charged you an extra $30 if you wanted to use a laptop over wifi? Its the same thing.. you are already paying for a certain allotment of data... Verizon has no right (in my opinion) to tell you on what devices you can use that data that you've paid for.
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I agree and don't agree. Mobile data should be that, for mobile devices. My problem is with those that use it to run their home networks.
I'm curious to see how verizon structures the shared data next year. Unless its unlimited or some ungodly amount (100gb), I'll keep my current plans.
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I agree and don't agree. Mobile data should be that, for mobile devices. My problem is with those that use it to run their home networks.
I'm curious to see how verizon structures the shared data next year. Unless its unlimited or some ungodly amount (100gb), I'll keep my current plans.
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What About The Mobile Data Cards They Wanna Sell For Laptops Or Home Computers?
Agreed
nrfitchett4 said:
I agree and don't agree. Mobile data should be that, for mobile devices. My problem is with those that use it to run their home networks.
I'm curious to see how verizon structures the shared data next year. Unless its unlimited or some ungodly amount (100gb), I'll keep my current plans.
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+1 On mobile data being for mobile devices.
I can see using wireless teether when you have other devices needing internet in a pinch.
On my HTC Incredible, I used wireless teether on very few occassions. Sometime we lost power here alot within the last year, and I turned on teether so the fiance could use her laptop to get work done (she work alot as a social worker).
Other times I have used teether while on the road and she needed to use the laptop on our 2 1/2 hour trips up north.
People that use teether to be their sole internet for all their pc's at home, to the point of dropping their actual broadband provider, I do not agree with.
A guy I work with uses the teether to provide internet now to 4 computersand 2 xbox360s in his house. Yikes.
This is my opinion only, I don't speak for others, and I don't hate. I'm aware when verizon now offers 4g unlimited hotspot, that people will say well it's unlimited and I will do with it what I want. I truly don't believe it is meant to replace Uverse, Comcast, etc, since that is what Verizon Fios is for.
I can only imagine the big stink that would happen if Verizon changed the small print for the 4g Unlimited Hotspot to say "Only to be used to supply internet for other mobile device ie laptops, tablets, etc and it is not meant to replace your actual Broadband Provider."
Hey guys i have a question. With a custom rom i know tethering is usually unlocked, but my question is, can att see me tethering from those roms?. Pr is there maybe a app to hide tether. I ask because att caught me tethering with stock tethering under settings
Please help me. Thanks.
ATT is going to know you are tethering no matter what you do. This question has been asked and answered many times. Whether they catch you with a custom ROM depends if they look to see if you are tethering. The solution is if you want to tether then pay for a plan that supports tethering.
What ever happened to that guy who said he found a deeply hidden APN the phone automatically uses when tethering? He was going to delete this APN and see if att could no longer see the tether?
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ATT is going to know you are tethering no matter what you do. This question has been asked and answered many times. Whether they catch you with a custom ROM depends if they look to see if you are tethering. The solution is if you want to tether then pay for a plan that supports tethering.
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You see I would BUT, att will NOT let me add tethering unless I change my internet plan. How that makes sense is beyond Me. I'm going to switch my unlimited to only use 2gb for a feature that REQUIRES internet. And also, this is besides the fact that I think its unfair people would have to pay twice to use your own internet the way you want to. I already pay for internet, what I do with it is my business.
I've been tethering with cm10 for months and haven't been hit. I don't do any heavy downloading tho.
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As stated your carrier will find out, why hide...why not just pay the fees and be legit. This way you are being honest and in turn if you have issues you can have your carrier resolve them, instead of looking over your should {so to speak}, hoping you do not get pop'd for the charges. Read your policy you agreed on with your carrier on fees and avoid the penalties if found guilty of working the system.
Bottom-line, IMHO just pay for your required services, and if you have not be id, stand by it is coming.
We don't want to pay for tethering because they are charging me to use data I already pay for and the only reason they can get away with it is because of the explosive growth of telecom. The government simply doesn't know how to reign these companies in yet. Maybe another ten years and a Microsoft monopoly scale federal lawsuit and this crap will be over. The point is, what does it matter what device uses the data I pay for? Im sorry but I just simply refuse to be taken advantage of.
If I sold you a glass of milk and you pulled some cookies from your pocket should I be able to pull your milk away until you pay more to be able to dunk your own cookies in the milk you've already purchased?
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We don't want to pay for tethering because they are charging me to use data I already pay for and the only reason they can get away with it is because of the explosive growth of telecom. The government simply doesn't know how to reign these companies in yet. Maybe another ten years and a Microsoft monopoly scale federal lawsuit and this crap will be over. The point is, what does it matter what device uses the data I pay for? Im sorry but I just simply refuse to be taken advantage of.
If I sold you a glass of milk and you pulled some cookies from your pocket should I be able to pull your milk away until you pay more to be able to dunk your own cookies in the milk you've already purchased?
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I use pdanet