So, Dan Hesse, CEO of Sprint was asked some pretty upfront questions about Data caps and it's competitors who all seem to be using tiered data plans now.
his full answer here at Engadget. http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/19/dan-hesse-sprints-not-following-virgins-tiered-data-movement/
This gist: As of right now, the fact that they are testing Data Caps on Virgin (uses Sprint towers) is in no way a sign that it will come to Sprint.
He does go on to state that going to a tiered system may be needed at some point in the future. (couple years out? said by Engadget.)
What are your thoughts? I love unlimited data. I doubt I use over 2GB right now, but with Netflix budding and Google Music about to open up to the masses, and Spotify reaching the states. who the hell knows anymore.
It doesnt really make a difference to me,im on wifi 90% of the time.
Could care less my signal sucks so bad I use wifi 99% of the time . Don't play around at work or driving and already got gps
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If they do go to tiered data I'm going to Verizon....
They have better signal in my area and with a price increase (if they do data packages) ill be paying close to 200 a month for 2 unlimited lines so why not just go to a "better/stable" service provider if I will be paying the same ammount...
Verizon is expensive and sucks I know but i am not betting on anyone else to put a 4g/LTE in my town other than them :/
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It seems like a foregone conclusion.
The pipe into my home should never have an artificial limit put on how much I download or upload. I should pay for throughput. The cap being imposed by how much I could theoretically download in a month at my selected rate maxed out 24/7. It is artificial scarcity. If I'm already subject to the ebb and flow of the network why the hell should I also have a cap imposed? Sure, that might smooth it out a little bit for a little while...but they will continue to add more subscribers than their infrastructure can support...and that's my fault? Our tax dollars went to help them build out that network that they are now trying to rape us for, they DO in fact owe us a little something. Stop overselling your networks and imposing artificial caps on a resource that isn't subject to scarcity, especially when my speeds are at the whim of the condition of the network at any given moment.
Wireless, however, is a slightly different beast. Without a gigantic technological leap we have a ceiling that dictates how many people may be connected in any given area at any given speed at an given moment. I do think caps on wireless are bound to happen...however our requirements will also increase every year. It will be like inflation, you'll always get just a little less data than you'll want but that will increase every year and be, for the most part, manageable. So long as the dollar-to-data ratio stays relative in check I'm fine with that. Right now a 5gb limit is a tad tight for $80 a month....so I'm glad it is "unlimited"...but next year I'd better be getting 10gb a month for that same $80 (probably $90 inflation adjusted the way the dollar is headed, hopefully no more).
2gb cap? Sure, but my entire plan (unlimited minutes and all) had better cost me $49...
...this ATTmobile merger is bad bad baaaaad news guys. The less competition there is the worse this will get. Root for Sprint, support Sprint and pray to god that Verizon doesn't acquire Sprint....Pray to Google that Google does...
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If they do go to tiered data I'm going to Verizon....
They have better signal in my area and with a price increase (if they do data packages) ill be paying close to 200 a month for 2 unlimited lines so why not just go to a "better/stable" service provider if I will be paying the same ammount...
Verizon is expensive and sucks I know but i am not betting on anyone else to put a 4g/LTE in my town other than them :/
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This. Unfortunately.
I've been with Sprint for such a long time, it's nice to see them stepping up their game these last couple of years. Unfortunately, if they go to a tiered data plan, it would cost me the same amount to go with Verizon, who has better coverage here AND 4G here as well. Sprint does not have 4G here.
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It seems like a foregone conclusion.
The pipe into my home should never have an artificial limit put on how much I download or upload. I should pay for throughput. The cap being imposed by how much I could theoretically download in a month at my selected rate maxed out 24/7. It is artificial scarcity. If I'm already subject to the ebb and flow of the network why the hell should I also have a cap imposed? Sure, that might smooth it out a little bit for a little while...but they will continue to add more subscribers than their infrastructure can support...and that's my fault? Our tax dollars went to help them build out that network that they are now trying to rape us for, they DO in fact owe us a little something. Stop overselling your networks and imposing artificial caps on a resource that isn't subject to scarcity, especially when my speeds are at the whim of the condition of the network at any given moment.
Wireless, however, is a slightly different beast. Without a gigantic technological leap we have a ceiling that dictates how many people may be connected in any given area at any given speed at an given moment. I do think caps on wireless are bound to happen...however our requirements will also increase every year. It will be like inflation, you'll always get just a little less data than you'll want but that will increase every year and be, for the most part, manageable. So long as the dollar-to-data ratio stays relative in check I'm fine with that. Right now a 5gb limit is a tad tight for $80 a month....so I'm glad it is "unlimited"...but next year I'd better be getting 10gb a month for that same $80 (probably $90 inflation adjusted the way the dollar is headed, hopefully no more).
2gb cap? Sure, but my entire plan (unlimited minutes and all) had better cost me $49...
...this ATTmobile merger is bad bad baaaaad news guys. The less competition there is the worse this will get. Root for Sprint, support Sprint and pray to god that Verizon doesn't acquire Sprint....Pray to Google that Google does...
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+1
and dude, Sprint could revolutionize right now. they could introduce a reversed tier system.
everyone paying what they pay right now stays unlimited. if you want a 2gb cap? cheaper data plans! don't change our prices, but add new plans with caps if you want to jump into the whole "NO SOUP FOR YOU!" trend.
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This. Unfortunately.
I've been with Sprint for such a long time, it's nice to see them stepping up their game these last couple of years. Unfortunately, if they go to a tiered data plan, it would cost me the same amount to go with Verizon, who has better coverage here AND 4G here as well. Sprint does not have 4G here.
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If Sprint exists as is but has to go to tiered plans I would not expect them to cost nearly as much as Verizon's or EVERYONE would jump ship. Sprint knows this. I wouldn't worry about it. As long as Sprint is the little guy they will offer something to positively differentiate themselves from the pack. ATT has the best speed, Verizon has the best coverage, Sprint has the best price. Unless Sprint can capture either (or both) of those two factors the only option they have is price as 'features' don't exist to differentiate in the post-smartphone world.
...and if Sprint does capture either or both of those elements then prices can and would go up as people flock to Sprint...then they aren't the underdog anymore, then you go to who is....or move to who has what you want the most.
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This. Unfortunately.
I've been with Sprint for such a long time, it's nice to see them stepping up their game these last couple of years. Unfortunately, if they go to a tiered data plan, it would cost me the same amount to go with Verizon, who has better coverage here AND 4G here as well. Sprint does not have 4G here.
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Honestly I would go back to tmobile or ATT if they had 4G here or to Verizon for that matter...
People complained about the phone selection sucks at Verizon and they didn't have dual core phones right away but **** look at sprint it took them almost 3 months to get a dual core phone after ATT and tmobile got theirs
I hate the thought of buying anything named "droid" but hey its my money I'm spending in the end... And sprint sucks balls in my town of 78k people..... And there isn't even a service center if i did have problems with my phone within 100 miles of me
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This. Unfortunately.
I've been with Sprint for such a long time, it's nice to see them stepping up their game these last couple of years. Unfortunately, if they go to a tiered data plan, it would cost me the same amount to go with Verizon, who has better coverage here AND 4G here as well. Sprint does not have 4G here.
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I'm fortunate. I have good 4G service nearly everywhere in my city/state. So, this is going to effect me if they push to a tiered system
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and dude, Sprint could revolutionize right now. they could introduce a reversed tier system.
everyone paying what they pay right now stays unlimited. if you want a 2gb cap? cheaper data plans! don't change our prices, but add new plans with caps if you want to jump into the whole "NO SOUP FOR YOU!" trend.
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That and I think a strategic partnership with Google...HYPER INVEST IN 3G and 4G, DITCH THE 2G, VOIP+Gvoice for EVERYTHING. Use those lower 2G frequencies for mind-shattering 4G penetration.
Now they are merely a wireless data/communications provider. The 2G setup is quickly becoming superfluous, as did AMPS towards the end of the transition with dual-mode phones in the early 00's.
Hopefully Sprint leads this trend...it will happen. Just watch...
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That and I think a strategic partnership with Google...HYPER INVEST IN 3G and 4G, DITCH THE 2G, VOIP+Gvoice for EVERYTHING. Use those lower 2G frequencies for mind-shattering 4G penetration.
Now they are merely a wireless data/communications provider. The 2G setup is quickly becoming superfluous, as did AMPS towards the end of the transition with dual-mode phones in the early 00's.
Hopefully Sprint leads this trend...it will happen. Just watch...
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Oh may god. I remember actually thinking about getting a "surferboard" but my old Nokia phone because I got no signal where I lived. a 100 dollar attachment that allowed the phone to get analog signal, drained battery, and cost ridiculous roaming fees
I have broken 2 gigs twice in the year I've been on Sprint.
Amazon had a podcast app for free a couple of weeks ago. Then I started listening to The Regular Guys out of Atlanta. Podcasts will chew thru the data. A couple hundred megs a day listening to 3 hours of podcasts. Last billing cycle I broke 2 gigs. And the show is a riot. I litterally LOL in my cube.
I actually just saw the Tmobile unlimited family plan commercial. Said unlimited a few times. But in small text at the bottom of the screen is says 200mbs of Full Speed Data.
So, they start throttling you after 200mbs? Wow... I know for a fact I go. Over 200 a month.
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I actually just saw the Tmobile unlimited family plan commercial. Said unlimited a few times. But in small text at the bottom of the screen is says 200mbs of Full Speed Data.
So, they start throttling you after 200mbs? Wow... I know for a fact I go. Over 200 a month.
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No its 5GB
They have a cheap 60 dollar (single) plan that is capped at 2gb
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Ya they cap at something low and charge more that would suck. No 4G here either think a lot of folks would roll to Verizon which I agree on the price they suck cause of the price be worth it in the long haul they have a 5gig cap
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Ya they cap at something low and charge more that would suck. No 4G here either think a lot of folks would roll to Verizon which I agree on the price they suck cause of the price be worth it in the long haul they have a 5gig cap
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That 5g cap is going to cost you now a days
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No its 5GB
They have a cheap 60 dollar (single) plan that is capped at 2gb
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Dude. I just saw the commercial. It said 200mb at full data speeds. =p
You calling me a liar!?
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Dude. I just saw the commercial. It said 200mb at full data speeds. =p
You calling me a liar!?
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Lmfao I dunno but I just came over from tmobile to sprint and I had 5GB on each phone each month... They ended up letting me out of the contract early with no ETF because I was throttled for 3 month straight. And i got to sell the phones I had for profit
Well more than what I paid for them....
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why are you guys tripping out. You will be locked in regardless. Verizon still is letting their unlimited 3g customers keep unlimited 4g if they get a 4g plan, and as long as they stay with verizon they keep unlimited. ATT allowed all people to renew their contract and keep unlimited even after their contract was over.
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http://andgeeks.com/google-android/service-providers/verizons-tiered-data-plan-makes-waves-883214/
This sucks!
I've rooted and circumvented Sprints Hotspots service for a year now.
Not sure if that's the way to go for me anymore.
This Verizon news really makes me appreciate Sprint's unlimited data scheme now.
But..they are cracking down on data abusers now...tracking big users and even sites visited indicating hacked tethering use and roaming totals...dropping people with excessive data use.
Concerned they'll end up saying screw it and implement data caps.
I value unlimited Sprint plans enough that, out of principle I'm considering just forking over the monthly $...perhaps getting on a favored list lol!
u wiggin on us dood?
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http://andgeeks.com/google-android/service-providers/verizons-tiered-data-plan-makes-waves-883214/
This sucks!
I've rooted and circumvented Sprints Hotspots service for a year now.
Not sure if that's the way to go for me anymore.
This Verizon news really makes me appreciate Sprint's unlimited data scheme now.
But..they are cracking down on data abusers now...tracking big users and even sites visited indicating hacked tethering use and roaming totals...dropping people with excessive data use.
Concerned they'll end up saying screw it and implement data caps.
I value unlimited Sprint plans enough that, out of principle I'm considering just forking over the monthly $...perhaps getting on a favored list lol!
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Doesn't matter, those who have unlimited will probably be grandfathered into unlimited data.
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http://andgeeks.com/google-android/service-providers/verizons-tiered-data-plan-makes-waves-883214/
This sucks!
I've rooted and circumvented Sprints Hotspots service for a year now.
Not sure if that's the way to go for me anymore.
This Verizon news really makes me appreciate Sprint's unlimited data scheme now.
But..they are cracking down on data abusers now...tracking big users and even sites visited indicating hacked tethering use and roaming totals...dropping people with excessive data use.
Concerned they'll end up saying screw it and implement data caps.
I value unlimited Sprint plans enough that, out of principle I'm considering just forking over the monthly $...perhaps getting on a favored list lol!
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no kidding. I checked and will clear 20 gigs this month...lol
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Doesn't matter, those who have unlimited will probably be grandfathered into unlimited data.
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More importantly, they're still (as of radio ad yesterday) using unlimited data as a selling point for their phones.
NewZJ said:
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Lol...maybe! But I have a couple buds who moved to ATT, and I tried a phone out there myself....and that 2G cap is ridiculous! Seriously.
I guess the issue is whether you use the tethering abusively or not... I use it to provide wifi to my tablet on the road (it is used in lieu of the phone) and in the car when my kids are in the back with their notebook (once in a while). Overall my usage is consistent with a my phone usage as ...
As far as limiting it the bandwidth, they already are doing it by reducing your connection speed. Less Speed = less debit = less sharing!
So far...
Its going to happen eventually regardless.
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More importantly, they're still (as of radio ad yesterday) using unlimited data as a selling point for their phones.
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The fact that they don't limit or even slow you down when you reach 5 gigs of services is why I switched back to sprint.
You sure about that. I've heard varying takes on that.
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I guess the issue is whether you use the tethering abusively or not... I use it to provide wifi to my tablet on the road (it is used in lieu of the phone) and in the car when my kids are in the back with their notebook (once in a while). Overall my usage is consistent with a my phone usage as ...
As far as limiting it the bandwidth, they already are doing it by reducing your connection speed. Less Speed = less debit = less sharing!
So far...
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You sure about that. I've heard varying takes on that.
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It's going to happen cause people are greedy and are gonna continue to do it whether we like it or not. Sprint will eventually make us pay for the tiered data plans, its going to happen. I hate thinking bad ****, but this is one of those things that I really think is inevitable.
The few screwing it up for the rest of us...go figure.
heathmcabee said:
It's going to happen cause people are greedy and are gonna continue to do it whether we like it or not. Sprint will eventually make us pay for the tiered data plans, its going to happen. I hate thinking bad ****, but this is one of those things that I really think is inevitable.
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I won't say it'll never happen.. But, the unlimited data is one of the few perks that brings in/keeps customers for Sprint. I haven't been treated badly by Sprint, but I've got no reason to remain loyal for loyalty's sake.
I doubt they will. Over time most data will become wireless anyway. Once all is on 4G or LTE, it won't matter the bandwidth as much. Sprint already charges more for premium data anyway. Not to mention their voice coverage sucks and the unlimited plan is what helps them keep customers. I would switch to Verizon as soon as Sprint says the unlimited plan is changing.
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I Don't know alot about it but is there really a differance between using Pandora,Netflix,dishnetwork,ect..... on my tethered gtablet compared to directly on my phone. Not sure......But it does enables me and my kids to enjoy this entertanment in the car without totaly tieing up my phone....Thats just my opion
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I doubt they will. Over time most data will become wireless anyway. Once all is on 4G or LTE, it won't matter the bandwidth as much. Sprint already charges more for premium data anyway. Not to mention their voice coverage sucks and the unlimited plan is what helps them keep customers. I would switch to Verizon as soon as Sprint says the unlimited plan is changing.
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100% agree on all fronts.
Their CS is fantastic, bar none...but without truly unlimited data I no longer give a **** about that. If I have to pick between the big 3.....AT&T would have the fastest 3G and most pervasive 4G...Verizon would have the best "all around" pricing and fastest 4G and Sprint would have....what? The worst coverage AND crappy plans but pleasant customer service? No thanks. I'll take verizon.
...I hate AT&T with a passion. I have them for home internet service. I have never in my life been treated so poorly by a service I pay for....paying a bill over the phone or online is a gigantic pain in the ass...and I have never ever had a service shut off for paying a service IN FULL, EARLY until I had the modern-day incarnation of AT&T....and I am far from alone on that.
This is Sprint's ace in the hole...well, that and Google recently buddying up with them....but...lacking unlimited data they have no compelling reason to stick around.
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I Don't know alot about it but is there really a differance between using Pandora,Netflix,dishnetwork,ect..... on my tethered gtablet compared to directly on my phone. Not sure......But it does enables me and my kids to enjoy this entertanment in the car without totaly tieing up my phone....Thats just my opion
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As far as data usage, not really. However, it increases the potential for additional/more data usage as you might not of loaded it on your phone if that was the only option.
Personally, any reasonable usage is fine. Big difference between checking email on a tethered laptop.. and torrenting.
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I guess the issue is whether you use the tethering abusively or not... I use it to provide wifi to my tablet on the road (it is used in lieu of the phone) and in the car when my kids are in the back with their notebook (once in a while). Overall my usage is consistent with a my phone usage as ...
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This pretty much describes my tethering usage, except the kids part.
I like the leaked plans from AT&T for their LTE pricing. This is based off of what Lulsec stole today, but apparently AT&T is going to go with speed tiers when their LTE is released instead of bandwidth caps, you just pay for how fast you want your internet. To me that makes more sense.
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As far as data usage, not really. However, it increases the potential for additional/more data usage as you might not of loaded it on your phone if that was the only option.
Personally, any reasonable usage is fine. Big difference between checking email on a tethered laptop.. and torrenting.
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Yeah, umm, unless that torrent download is an absolute emergency (and I actually have been in that situation before...on the road at a trade show....needed a kinda huge file I had hosted at home....) you are just torrenting tethered off your phone to show off...even 4G sucks relative to even a basic cable-modem connection.....
I think the people who use 10+gb a month tethering illegally should take a step back and think about what they're doing. Just pay the price every month to tether the right way. Because once you guys really piss Sprint off, that 20gb you use every month is going to cost a fortune thanks to the tiered data policy they will enact. Then you'll be paying MORE than you would have if you had paid for the tethering.
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* Doubled their ETF to $350, and the activation fee to $36; removed activation fee promos.
* Cut the trail period in half to 14 days (from 30).
* Canned annual phone upgrades.
* Killed off the Sprint Premiere Rewards program.
Next up is no more discounts on family plans (already cut from all lines to the first two), and data throttling.
And they're basically scrapping Wi-Max to start building out their LTE network...2 years behind everyone else.
They just went from okay-for-the-price, to worse than AT&T/Verizon within a week. I've had it with 25k-150k 3G speeds and shi*ty ass 4G that's the same fing speed as AT&T's 3G, and that's if I'm within eye sight of the tower.
Unfortunately, it appears to me like they are cutting costs for the purpose of making themselves more attractive to potential buyers.
i went to at&t and can't be happier speeds are great an so is the call quality . and my plans saves me 60 a month
2 gig cap sure but im ok with that
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Possibly. They need to stop sponsoring every event in sight and fix their network.
While driving home from Lake Tahoe, though NV this Summer, I drove by some raceway outside of Carson City 50 miles with Sprint signs plastered all over it...do you think I even had service there? No.
its all the iphone 5 fault lol
I came to Sprint last year for the Evo 4G and the fact they had a lot of benefits...the same benefits they seem to be scrapping now.
I'll wait a few months to see how things pan out, but I think they really to stop getting rid of the good things that seperate them from AT&T and Verizon, especially being that the data service is becoming inconsistant.
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its all the iphone 5 fault lol
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Well, yeah, it is, but that's what I'm getting this next time around...but I'm to the point where I'm willing to pay $40 more a month for data speeds that are actually usable, so I might as well switch to ATT or VZ, since Sprint no longer offers any incentives to stick around.
Strange I switched to Sprint 2 months ago and my activation fee was 36 dollars, every other company always waived it because I'm in the military. I find it strange because you're telling me it changed in the past week, did I just get shafted?
Edit: I didn't mind paying activation fee seeing as how they saved me about 70 dollars on my plan.
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Strange I switched to Sprint 2 months ago and my activation fee was 36 dollars, every other company always waived it because I'm in the military. I find it strange because you're telling me it changed in the past week, did I just get shafted?
Edit: I didn't mind paying activation fee seeing as how they saved me about 70 dollars on my plan.
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Strange; I think that actually increased about 2 weeks ago, but it used to only be $14 or $21...I forget. They'll usually take it off if you call in, or att/vz do.
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Strange I switched to Sprint 2 months ago and my activation fee was 36 dollars, every other company always waived it because I'm in the military. I find it strange because you're telling me it changed in the past week, did I just get shafted?
Edit: I didn't mind paying activation fee seeing as how they saved me about 70 dollars on my plan.
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Is 36$ for a new line and 18$ for adding a line the one the changed was 18$- to 36$ for upgrading a line, which is crazy imo ,anyways so far I don't get amazing speeds but there ok now back in March I had Verizon for 5 months it was good and all but Damn Bill was half of what I pay for 4ines plus limmited callls
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Is 36$ for a new line and 18$ for adding a line the one the changed was 18$- to 36$ for upgrading a line, which is crazy imo ,anyways so far I don't get amazing speeds but there ok now back in March I had Verizon for 5 months it was good and all but Damn Bill was half of what I pay for 4ines plus limmited callls
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Yea I was paying 180 for 2 lines with Verizon and i only had 700 minutes between us and unlimited text and data which is ridiculous
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* Doubled their ETF to $350, and the activation fee to $36; removed activation fee promos.
* Cut the trail period in half to 14 days (from 30).
* Canned annual phone upgrades.
* Killed off the Sprint Premiere Rewards program.
Next up is no more discounts on family plans (already cut from all lines to the first two), and data throttling.
And they're basically scrapping Wi-Max to start building out their LTE network...2 years behind everyone else.
They just went from okay-for-the-price, to worse than AT&T/Verizon within a week. I've had it with 25k-150k 3G speeds and shi*ty ass 4G that's the same fing speed as AT&T's 3G, and that's if I'm within eye sight of the tower.
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I agree that all the changes suck really bad for us. I don't understand why wireless carriers discourage users from upgrading their cell phones every year If cell phone manufacturers are going to be making new, top-of-the-line phones every 6 months, then what purpose does it serve to restrict a customer from upgrading? In regards to your comment about wimax being scrapped, I live in Arizona, where there is practically no 4G service in major cities, including Phoenix (6 towers total). I have complained almost non-stop to Sprint about their lack of 4G coverage in Arizona, and to my shock they are actually turning on more towers in the Phoenix area. At the start of 2011 there were only 2 towers in Phoenix. So, although the wimax rollout has slowed down significantly, Sprint and Clear are still turning on 4G wimax in markets that desperately need it.
How many forums are you going to repost this in? Just post it on sprints forums ffs
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well every good thing as we all know must come to an end at some point. Although im not dead set on changing carriers just because of this, i will see how things pan out with the 1x and 3g upgrades and how the iphone affects data bandwidth availability. Yes most r speculating that it will kill the network but only time will truly tell. As for wimax, most of the early promoters of 4g expected that lte was gonna be dominant in the end and good for sprint that it's basically just a base station software update. Yea sucks for wimax phone owners but hey it is wat it is... in my opinion, i don't expect any companies that i pay for a service to give me anything above and beyond what im actually paying for which is just the service. If they do that's an attractive bonus but i expect that it will prolly cease to exist one day. Sprint doesn't have to give us unlimited data but they choose to at the moment to attract more subscribers. However if that prospect becomes to costly at the demise of their network from overloads then they will remove that option plain and simple. Business is business at the end of the day and money talks.
Its cute that you think data throttling is next up when its already happening. hurrdurrr
DoctorComrade said:
Its cute that you think data throttling is next up when its already happening. hurrdurrr
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I can assure you it's not. My Speeds have been going up constantly (see my sig) & I chew through data.
Also the one of the 2 largest points behind the shifts is to "keep" it that way.
They mentioned that.
http://premier.sprint.com/premierupdate/faq.php
When Sprint switches to LTE and i can no longer use my EVO 3d for 4g I wonder if they will take off the extra charge.
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When Sprint switches to LTE and i can no longer use my EVO 3d for 4g I wonder if they will take off the extra charge.
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Even during the switch (if/when they switch), Wimax will still be available through Sprint. They aren't going to deactivate it.
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When Sprint switches to LTE and i can no longer use my EVO 3d for 4g I wonder if they will take off the extra charge.
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By the time that rolls out I am pretty confident another evo will be out.
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When Sprint switches to LTE and i can no longer use my EVO 3d for 4g I wonder if they will take off the extra charge.
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And the extra charge isn't for 4g, its getting really annoying still seeing people complain about a "4g charge" that doesn't exist and that they knowingly accepted
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I use adownloader for all my torrent downloads, its actually a nice app. But ran across a problem this morning when trying to download a 7gb file. I get a message stating android does not support downloads of files larger than 4 gb.... Is there a way around this limitation?????
it is a limitation of the fat32 sd card. Can't have files larger than 4gb. So the app is probably hardcoded to not let you download it. But I hope you aren't torrenting over LTE... that is the reason people like me are stuck with tiered plans.
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it is a limitation of the fat32 sd card. Can't have files larger than 4gb. So the app is probably hardcoded to not let you download it. But I hope you aren't torrenting over LTE... that is the reason people like me are stuck with tiered plans.
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Not to be argumentative, but no it's not. Verizon's just greedy. They're still making money hand over fist from unlimited users.
What do you need a 7gb file on your phone for anyway. And as far as the data hog thing goes whether its the main reason or not it definitely doesn't help, and yeah what can your phone possibly do with a 7gb file, unless its a 5 hour movie you are abusing your data.
I've have unlimited data and I don't think using it anyway I want to is abuse. Sucks for you if you signed up for a tiered plan lol. But the amount of data I consume isn't what this thread was posted about...
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Not to be argumentative, but no it's not. Verizon's just greedy. They're still making money hand over fist from unlimited users.
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Actually, it is. It costs roughly $5 to send a gig of data over wireless data networks when customer care, backhaul, electricity, etc are all taken into account. That means that anyone who uses over 7gb of data on their phone is costing the carrier money. That usually isn't an issue. Most people probably pay around $30 a month for data and use about a gig maybe two. So the carrier makes $25. But then there are the jerks who pull down 80gb/month on wireless ruins it for everyone because they cost the carrier $370.
source: whitepages at signalresearch.com
voice and texting are what the carrier makes money on. So if everyone switched to google voice and voip solutions therefore dropping to the lowest minute plans without texting, data costs would skyrocket.
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Actually, it is. It costs roughly $5 to send a gig of data over wireless data networks when customer care, backhaul, electricity, etc are all taken into account. That means that anyone who uses over 7gb of data on their phone is costing the carrier money. That usually isn't an issue. Most people probably pay around $30 a month for data and use about a gig maybe two. So the carrier makes $25. But then there are the jerks who pull down 80gb/month on wireless ruins it for everyone because they cost the carrier $370.
source: whitepages at signalresearch.com
voice and texting are what the carrier makes money on. So if everyone switched to google voice and voip solutions therefore dropping to the lowest minute plans without texting, data costs would skyrocket.
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Got a link? Genuinely curious.
But let's do the math--the average user data/month is 435 megabytes. Using your 5 dollars/GB figure, which seems totally plausible, that means that on average Verizon is making ~27.50 in profit per user, whether they're capped at 2gb or unlimited.
This is based on AT&T's figures, but apparently their remaining unlimited data group comprises a 5% that uses more than 2gb a month. That means that 95% of their users are making AT LEAST 20 dollars in profit, if the demographics for Verizon comport with AT&T's, because they use less than 2GB. (30 dollars- 2GB x 5 dollars)
That means Verizon is making money absolutely hand over fist. The average of 435mb includes my mom's iphone, which uses maybe 5 MB a month, and that jerk for tethers 80gb. The 5mb a month crowd massively outweighs the 80gb a month crowd.
Edit: typo
I feel like people use either 0-4gb or like 50+gb. So if the average person uses 2GB, but someone else uses 50gb, it takes the "profit" from 11 2GB users to cancel him out.
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I feel like people use either 0-4gb or like 50+gb. So if the average person uses 2GB, but someone else uses 50gb, it takes the "profit" from 11 2GB users to cancel him out.
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The average is 435 megabytes a month.
On att right? You use more data on LTE doing the same things. I used to use 500mb/month on my 3G phone. Now I hit 2GB doing the same activities each month because I can consume way more web pages in the same amount of time. Att probably did that study on their 3G network
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On att right? You use more data on LTE doing the same things. I used to use 500mb/month on my 3G phone. Now I hit 2GB doing the same activities each month because I can consume way more web pages in the same amount of time. Att probably did that study on their 3G network
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Actually I was wrong, it's a bit higher now:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/249532/smartphone_data_shakeup_the_end_of_unlimited.html
According to The Nielsen Company, the average per-user data consumption by U.S. smartphone customers was 606.1MB -- or about 0.59GB -- per month in the third quarter of 2011 (the most recent period for which measurements were available).
So that's for all Americans who use smartphones.
The average data use doubled in one year too... wow. So average $22 in profit on someone who uses average. But for someone who uses 50, it still takes 10 people if you are counting $25 average spent on data. At verizon we pay 30, but people on att either pay $25 or $15 so it is probably close to $25 average.
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The average data use doubled in one year too... wow. So average $22 in profit on someone who uses average. But for someone who uses 50, it still takes 10 people if you are counting $25 average spent on data. At verizon we pay 30, but people on att either pay $25 or $15 so it is probably close to $25 average.
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Yep. But remember, according to those figures only 1% of users use more than 4.5gb. It still takes 6 gigs of data for Verizon to take a loss on you. So we're already talking about a fraction of 1% that Verizon might be taking a loss on. Their pricing models are designed to maximize profit, but even with unlimited data and current usage patterns it'd be damn hard for them to lose money.
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On att right? You use more data on LTE doing the same things. I used to use 500mb/month on my 3G phone. Now I hit 2GB doing the same activities each month because I can consume way more web pages in the same amount of time. Att probably did that study on their 3G network
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Didn't at&t already come out and say that people are using double the data they were a year ago?
But I have to agree, if the storage can't handle that big of a file, maybe better to do it on a computer anyway.
Sounds like someone is jealous of those with unlimited data.
Your argument would be like this. You buy a car that engine power can only do 45 MPH. I buy a car that can do 80 MPH. Speed limit on the highway is 80 MPH. Because you cannot do 80 MPH you think I should have to drive 45 MPH. I payed for something you didn't. It isn't my fault your on tiered data. It is the fact that the wireless industry in this country is broken.
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Sounds like someone is jealous of those with unlimited data.
Your argument would be like this. You buy a car that engine power can only do 45 MPH. I buy a car that can do 80 MPH. Speed limit on the highway is 80 MPH. Because you cannot do 80 MPH you think I should have to drive 45 MPH. I payed for something you didn't. It isn't my fault your on tiered data. It is the fact that the wireless industry in this country is broken.
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You are sorta correct. I really don't care about unlimited data. 4GB is plenty for me to never need wifi. And when I do need wifi, well, my sigpic you can see that that my school's ISP is plenty fast lol. To the point, your analogy is a bit off. It would be more like getting my amount of gas limited so I couldn't drive as fast. LTE phones are like fast cars... I have one, you have one, but since some of us have our gas limited we can't drive full speed all the time even if we are capable of doing so and want to.
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Sounds like someone is jealous of those with unlimited data.
Your argument would be like this. You buy a car that engine power can only do 45 MPH. I buy a car that can do 80 MPH. Speed limit on the highway is 80 MPH. Because you cannot do 80 MPH you think I should have to drive 45 MPH. I payed for something you didn't. It isn't my fault your on tiered data. It is the fact that the wireless industry in this country is broken.
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I can see his point. As Verizon switches all devices over to LTE (they have said no more 3g smartphone) and the networks gets more congested, I expect them to start throttling the unlimited users.
There has already been talk of data plans becoming speed based instead of data limits the way wired internet plans are.
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You are sorta correct. I really don't care about unlimited data. 4GB is plenty for me to never need wifi. And when I do need wifi, well, my sigpic you can see that that my school's ISP is plenty fast lol. To the point, your analogy is a bit off. It would be more like getting my amount of gas limited so I couldn't drive as fast. LTE phones are like fast cars... I have one, you have one, but since some of us have our gas limited we can't drive full speed all the time even if we are capable of doing so and want to.
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Ok ill agree with yours. Been up 32 hours so the old thinker is a little slow. Haha.
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I can see his point. As Verizon switches all devices over to LTE (they have said no more 3g smartphone) and the networks gets more congested, I expect them to start throttling the unlimited users.
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I don't think the contract says anything about being able to cap 4g speeds for those of us with unlimited data. 3g yes because it is capped at 5 regardless. Mobile broadband cards contracts for LTE list a 5GB cap on unlimited. Cellphones contracts do not. If I remember correctly.
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I don't think the contract says anything about being able to cap 4g speeds for those of us with unlimited data. 3g yes because it is capped at 5 regardless. Mobile broadband cards contracts for LTE list a 5GB cap on unlimited. Cellphones contracts do not. If I remember correctly.
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no, but all mobile contracts have fair use policies that leave a lot of gray area. I think in the next 2 years after most everyone is on lte, the data landscape will look much different.
Shoot, I still remember waiting forever for skyfire to stream video to my moto q9c...
From The Verge
http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/25/5937217/what-you-need-to-know-about-verizon-lte-throttling
For those of us that have unlimited, in Oct. Verizon will start throttling the top 5% of users IF THE TOWER YOU ARE CONNECTED TO SEES HEAVY USAGE.
4 conditions have to be met.
1. You still have an unlimited data plan.
2. You are on a month to month basis
3. You are a top 5% user (right now anyone above 5.7GB/month is in that category).
4. The tower you are connected to is being heavily used (total of all users).
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saw that the other day, hopefully wont apply to me, as I live in a small town.
Sucks though
you are promised unlimited data, but not a set speed. I am on the unlimited plan and do use a lot of data but I'm fine with this. I prefer to keep unlimited data in fear of living in fear of overages and I wanna use my phone when I wanna use my phone.
I'm glad I live in a very small town.
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4. The tower you are connected to is being heavily used (total of all users).
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Yeah..."heavily" is vague enough that I'm sure I'll get throttled
Actually Verizon is the last of the big 4 to do this. It was just a matter of time...
I was not excited to hear this since I was one of the unlucky "top 5%" that was throttled on 3G as they were starting to roll out 4G and try to get heavier users to buy new phones (I was holding out for a DX at the time). I can only hope they don't cripple the connection the way they did then. When on a "congested" tower I would only get between 1 - 10kb/sec down. I couldn't do a successful speed test most of the time without it just timing out and it would cripple even the most basic functions of my "smartphone" like email.
It's been said a bunch already but, this is how they are trying to get people to get off unlimited data and pay more for less. Luckily these days I connect to WiFi at work so during the day it won't be so bad but my train commute will blow if they reduce the speeds that much.
Also, there is a mistype in the first post, it is 4.7GB of data a month, not 5.7.
For more info visit here
http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/information/data_disclosure.html
So when I've been doing 30-40gb a month sometimes, I'll be screwed... yay
They have already been throttling me. I can not even stream a youtube video without constant buffering. Been this way for awhile especially during peak hours.
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Actually Verizon is the last of the big 4 to do this. It was just a matter of time...
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Sprint claims they don't throttle. Unlimited means unlimited access according to them. Between how much vzw has locked down their phones, ending unlimited, and now this; I'm done with them.
Edit: I guess Sprint is throttling their top 5% too. At least they still offer unlimited plans I suppose
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Sprint claims they don't throttle. Unlimited means unlimited access according to them. Between how much vzw has locked down their phones, ending unlimited, and now this; I'm done with them.
Edit: I guess Sprint is throttling their top 5% too. At least they still offer unlimited plans I suppose
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Unlimited on there network! I work alot in North Dakota and Northern Alaska. Verizon has great service in those spots that's why in with them now, I had sprint and changed my prl to Verizon so I could roam on there towers and was terminated from Sprint for excessive roaming (3-5gb per month for 4 continuous months).
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Unlimited on there network! I work alot in North Dakota and Northern Alaska. Verizon has great service in those spots that's why in with them now, I had sprint and changed my prl to Verizon so I could roam on there towers and was terminated from Sprint for excessive roaming (3-5gb per month for 4 continuous months).
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I'm an ex Sprint guy and they've been known to lay the smack down on users for excessive data usage??!!?? Excessive data usage for unlimited data.... ?
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I'm pretty sure the criteria they claim has to be met is bogus. There's 1 criteria for throttling, and that's if you have this unlimited plan. I am, of course, speaking from a sampling size of exactly 1 other person besides myself. This other person has been throttled yet doesn't eat up more than a gig or 2 per month.
I've been throttled, but I expected it. You tend to draw attention when you use more than 80 gigs a month, on a light month.
Saw an article today saying the FCC is not happy about this. What sucks is if the FCC says they can't throttle just because of the plan people have, Verizon will probably just kill the plan altogether somehow.
Edit: There are a few different ones out there. Heres one: http://9to5mac.com/2014/07/30/fcc-throttles-verizon-wireless-over-plans-to-throttle-customers/
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Saw an article today saying the FCC is not happy about this. What sucks is if the FCC says they can't throttle just because of the plan people have, Verizon will probably just kill the plan altogether somehow.
Edit: There are a few different ones out there. Heres one: http://9to5mac.com/2014/07/30/fcc-throttles-verizon-wireless-over-plans-to-throttle-customers/
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Doubtful, 20% of Verizon customers still have unlimited data. That move would piss off a lot of customers
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I guess I am really really screwed. Last month I used 118gig. The FCC says that by doing this Verizon is breaking the agreement they had with them to gain access to the LTE spectrum so who knows what will happen. I know I am tired of every update Verizon OTA's sends out screwing up my phone(s)...maybe it's time for a provider switch.
Curious myself. I renewed my unlimited contract back in November when the Note 3 came out during the so call "glitch", so I have my unlimited under contract for 2 more years.
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Curious myself. I renewed my unlimited contract back in November when the Note 3 came out during the so call "glitch", so I have my unlimited under contract for 2 more years.
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You're on a contract, so not affected by their new policy.
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Oh the suprises you unlimited data users are in for at years end.
well this isn't going to be good for some of us....
http://arstechnica.com/information-...mited-data-customers-who-use-over-100gbmonth/
I only avg 20 GB a month or less. I pay $20 a month for udp
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well this isn't going to be good for some of us....
http://arstechnica.com/information-...mited-data-customers-who-use-over-100gbmonth/
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I don't really feel sorry for those who use 100+ GB/month. Those are the users that prompted the removal of the unlimited plans to start with. You can scream "unlimited is unlimited" if you want but its Verizon's sandbox and they make the rules.
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I don't really feel sorry for those who use 100+ GB/month. Those are the users that prompted the removal of the unlimited plans to start with. You can scream "unlimited is unlimited" if you want but its Verizon's sandbox and they make the rules.
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Agreed...there comes a point (about 100 GB a month) where it becomes an "unjust enrichment" for the end user....and this is why we cannot have nice things lol
I'm surprised Verizon didn't go the route of...well the unlimited data plan started in the days of 2G/3G only...so that's the only unlimited data you get...when you are on 2G/3G.
Maybe I shouldn't give them any ideas... :/
agreed. I live out in the boonies, I am on 1x and sometimes 3g. my internet is only dsl at 2.5Mbps (3g speeds) ... so whenever I hit 4g on my phone, I do everything with it. so i sometimes rack up 70gb+ a month. especially when im at work ..teamviewer, netflix, streaming cameras setup at various locations, music is always going, showbox, kodi (tends to use a lot more data than other streaming apps)... the data rack up quick.
Has anyone actually reported receiving a letter yet ?
I use it as primary internet. Been paying for it for so long. Screw paying $60+ a month for cable that is the same speed but doesn't offer the same capabilities that cellular data does. I rack up over 100gb a month but it's a business account so i doubt they will cut me off.
The fcc does nothing about the internet monopoly in my area because it's not considered a monopoly because wireless internet is considered an option. When verizon charges what they do for internet it clearly isn't an option. We all know verizon can afford to give you more GB's at a lower price.
Most of the infrastructure is already in place and they are paying purely for maintenance at this point. And when they are talking about faster speeds with xlte and lte-a they are expecting you to use more data but have no plans on reducing the cost per gb. Faster speeds means a larger resource pool to tap into. The excuse that heavy udp users are decreasing the speeds for others is basically a thing of the past at this point.
Honestly it's all bs marketing and political manipulation. Tell me why countries in the EU can offer unlimited lte data for 35 euoros a month, which people use as their primary internet source, if this isn't the case?
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Agreed...there comes a point (about 100 GB a month) where it becomes an "unjust enrichment" for the end user....and this is why we cannot have nice things lol
I'm surprised Verizon didn't go the route of...well the unlimited data plan started in the days of 2G/3G only...so that's the only unlimited data you get...when you are on 2G/3G.
Maybe I shouldn't give them any ideas... :/
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And why R u saying at 100 gigs a month? Why this amount? Unjust? U r an idiot in perspective. Unjust =Hilary Clinton's Fuk'n National security (knowingly) and walking free. Unjust= people like me or in my "group" pay more in taxes than the "wealthy." UNJUST=VERIZON lying about the effects people such as myself have on "their" network I pay for by using what U stated over "100 gigs" monthly. OPEN UR EYE'S FRIENDS, $$MONEY$$ $$MILLIONS IN BONUSES$$ U should have Verizon show you this "negative" effect. Lol, in words and writing sure but 100% accurate proof including data analysis by 3rd party/partys not Affiliated whatsoever with Verizon does not/will never exhist cause its a story kinda like the Easter Bunny. Do you people not understand the technology that we are using and the capabilities at our hands? The 1% of customers with unlimited data is not something that would be an issue unless it was about money my friend. Do your research think about it come on, look what they're doing in Switzerland.
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I don't really feel sorry for those who use 100+ GB/month. Those are the users that prompted the removal of the unlimited plans to start with. You can scream "unlimited is unlimited" if you want but its Verizon's sandbox and they make the rules.
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Ummm?? "UNLIMITED DATA" Do know what that means? Lol, prompted!!! $$$$
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Dammmmmmmm, I got the letter today telling me as of February 17th I will be terminated unless I select a new plan since they're pulling my unlimited data.
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Dammmmmmmm, I got the letter today telling me as of February 17th I will be terminated unless I select a new plan since they're pulling my unlimited data.
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More than 200gigs a month I suppose?
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More than 200gigs a month I suppose?
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Maybe on average.. Some months around 500 and others 100. Feb 17th I say "GOOD<--->BYE" to VZW (they terminate unless I select a plan) after 10 f*$#ing years... not too sure what I'm going to do yet but obviously I cannot afford to stay with VZW..
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And why R u saying at 100 gigs a month? Why this amount? Unjust? U r an idiot in perspective. Unjust =Hilary Clinton's Fuk'n National security (knowingly) and walking free. Unjust= people like me or in my "group" pay more in taxes than the "wealthy." UNJUST=VERIZON lying about the effects people such as myself have on "their" network I pay for by using what U stated over "100 gigs" monthly. OPEN UR EYE'S FRIENDS, $$MONEY$$ $$MILLIONS IN BONUSES$$ U should have Verizon show you this "negative" effect. Lol, in words and writing sure but 100% accurate proof including data analysis by 3rd party/partys not Affiliated whatsoever with Verizon does not/will never exhist cause its a story kinda like the Easter Bunny. Do you people not understand the technology that we are using and the capabilities at our hands? The 1% of customers with unlimited data is not something that would be an issue unless it was about money my friend. Do your research think about it come on, look what they're doing in Switzerland.
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You should send Verizon Customer Service this coherent, well thought out argument...I'm sure they will reconnect your UDP in no time....lol
Wait a second, I am currently experience a minor heart attack! They are CANCELING your UDP?!
I have not received a letter regarding this, is anyone else receiving this letter?
http://www.droid-life.com/2017/01/09/verizon-unlimited-data-200gb-limit/
I average 12GB/month (which is NOT heavy use at all) and received my letter informing my UDP is being terminated as of Feb 16. I have complained to both of my local stores and the customer service call center to no avail. I was told that once the letter was sent my fate was sealed.
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I average 12GB/month (which is NOT heavy use at all) and received my letter informing my UDP is being terminated as of Feb 16. I have complained to both of my local stores and the customer service call center to no avail. I was told that once the letter was sent my fate was sealed.
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I read online last night T-Mobile has been gaining twice as many new customers as Verizon since Verizon's been pulling their $*it.
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I read online last night T-Mobile has been gaining twice as many new customers as Verizon since Verizon's been pulling their $*it.
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They will regret it, T-Mobiles service, at least here is so spotty its not even worth paying for. When my wife had it she had to use my wifi tethering just to use her phone half the time we went anywhere.
200gb a month is plenty, but the problem is the price of the new plans they want you on. Id never pay those rediculous prices.
But unlimited should be unlimited, i understand that too, but 500gb people... Come on now, that is a little excessive. I don't even come close to that downloading movies all day on my home cable network. So i can see where verizon is coming from. Fair usage.
I am sticking with my Verizon UDP for now, but i have also bought my wife a new phone on at&t's DirecTV unlimited plan that's up to 4 devices just incase verizon pulls out more bs. Figured id jump on that and get grandfathered on that also, since in my area at&t is second best if not identical to Verizon's coverage.
Sprint and T-Mobile are out if the question for me, been there done that.
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200gb a month is plenty, but the problem is the price of the new plans they want you on. Id never pay those rediculous prices.
But unlimited should be unlimited, i understand that too, but 500gb people... Come on now, that is a little excessive. I don't even come close to that downloading movies all day on my home cable network. So i can see where verizon is coming from. Fair usage.
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I agree with you on that one, 200GB/month is a bit excessive and almost abusive to the network load. But for those of us that use 12GB and end up getting our plans yanked from us is insulting. I know I purposefully sought out wifi wherever I could to keep unnecessary use of network resources to a minimum. This is the thanks I was given for my consideration.
To say I feel insulted is putting it lightly.
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I agree with you on that one, 200GB/month is a bit excessive and almost abusive to the network load. But for those of us that use 12GB and end up getting our plans yanked from us is insulting. I know I purposefully sought out wifi wherever I could to keep unnecessary use of network resources to a minimum. This is the thanks I was given for my consideration.
To say I feel insulted is putting it lightly.
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Oh I feel insulted for you as well. 12GB is not that bad at all. I average 45gb and have not received a letter yet. This whole ordeal is ridiculous. I would rather they implement a cap on the unlimited, like say 100GB or even 40GB and then slow us way down instead of just straight up removing us.