Any New Info on the Progress of S-Off? - HTC EVO 3D

I haven't heard anything in a while and most of the threads haven't been updated in about 5 days. Anybody have any additional info on the progress?

The same ETA as always bro... Same ETA as CM for e3d coincidentally.
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I watched them dev the new version for the Flyer last night. Depending on how many more device they plan to include is how long it will be. Remember once they get the bootloader to s-off they also are having to port a recovery. Every device must be tested on every rom/hboot version. That is a lot of **** to do. Especially if they only have one or two devices. I hope it's soon though!
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Just read this. Starting to sound like 1-2 weeks.
Mike

billyapd21 said:
I haven't heard anything in a while and most of the threads haven't been updated in about 5 days. Anybody have any additional info on the progress?
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::forehead slap::
Do you really think there would be any news but no threads about it? Really?

xanadu1979 said:
::forehead slap::
Do you really think there would be any news but no threads about it? Really?
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Guys really? Why can't we have a simple conversation? Totally uncalled for! If you don't like my thread read a different one. Some people put so much effort into being a douche bag!

mikeyxda said:
Just read this. Starting to sound like 1-2 weeks.
Mike
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Thanks, This is exactly what I was looking for and I haven't seen it posted yet.

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wow . .
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Thanks for your contribution, very informative!

I was curious also if I had somehow missed a thread talking about a delay or something. I too am waiting eagerly but everyone has to admit the original week or so has came and went and like kids waiting for Christmas we are all getting a bit anxious. But unlike Christmas we don't know when its coming.

I bet nobody will upload a teaser video and forget to make it private again. Tho I'm sure all the same threads would be directed at HTC instead
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If the hero 4g gets root and roms before the the EVO 3d does ill reluctantly have to jump ship on this phone.

The hero 4g won't be good enough to jump ship to its gonna be a minor upgrade from the oh evo compared to the 3d I mean it's single core for petes sake. I think it will be aimed at the mid ranged community. I don't tho. Kinda this phone lives up to the hero name like the first one did
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Except for rumors, speculation, name calling, phone bashing, flaming, demanding, conspiracies on this or that, and quessing the date of release nothing new...

When It's Done..

OK here is a question. If they have S-off for the sensation why not test it and put it out for the sensation , and then add other phones to the list afterwards? I think this would stop most of the useless threads in the sensation thread and the 3vo ?? Why try putting it out for thirty phones all at once and then when a new phone comes out holding off to test that too.
Sent back from 3days in the future and still no dang S-off !!!!!

cbrown245 said:
OK here is a question. If they have S-off for the sensation why not test it and put it out for the sensation , and then add other phones to the list afterwards? I think this would stop most of the useless threads in the sensation thread and the 3vo ?? Why try putting it out for thirty phones all at once and then when a new phone comes out holding off to test that too.
Sent back from 3days in the future and still no dang S-off !!!!!
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Exactly! Why wait to release for all phones. Supposedly they have had S-Off for the Sensation & 3D for weeks and now we see CWM running. So they have S-Off, root and now a Recovery. What's the hold up? Release it already. The whole stable, bricking excuse is getting old. If some people brick trying, oh well. We all know the risk we take when we tamper with our phones. Take it back to Sprint and start over. If you guys don't have TEP on your $600 smartphones then you need to stay the hell away!

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Exactly! Why wait to release for all phones. Supposedly they have had S-Off for the Sensation & 3D for weeks and now we see CWM running. So they have S-Off, root and now a Recovery. What's the hold up? Release it already. The whole stable, bricking excuse is getting old. If some people brick trying, oh well. We all know the risk we take when we tamper with our phones. Take it back to Sprint and start over. If you guys don't have TEP on your $600 smartphones then you need to stay the hell away!
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Check sensation thread recovery has been around for ppl with ship s off
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1146561
The video was a leak we weren't even supposed to know there was s off yet for our devices their developing for multiple devices I would assume so that whatever exploit they use isn't patched on everything as cool as it would be to have s off on EVO 3d and sensation right now If.they let it out those other guys who want s off for their devices that NORMALLY WOULD HAVE USED A SIMILAR ARX EXPLOIT. Would be in the boat were in now lookin at other s off devices goin man I wish we had that.... By makin it as universal as possible it services more communities for a more extended period of time
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OK what is the difference between recovery for shipped S-off and and hacked S-off ?? Isn't it the same recovery ????
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OK what is the difference between recovery for shipped S-off and and hacked S-off ?? Isn't it the same recovery ????
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Ship soff = phone came that way just normal hboot with no radio security
Hacked is to get a hacked eng hboot (alpharevx) on our phone it essentially would serve the same purpose
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Will it be a full root

Ok . Before I go and buy the Evo 3D,I NEED to know is their gonna be a full root for it ..
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I suggest Reading.....
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Ok . Before I go and buy the Evo 3D,I NEED to know is their gonna be a full root for it ..
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Nope, you'll have to buy the Echo.
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Nope, you'll have to buy the Echo.
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Lol..I heard they got full nand unlock on the instinct
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Ok . Before I go and buy the Evo 3D,I NEED to know is their gonna be a full root for it ..
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You will be able to fully root. Maybe not day one but shortly after.
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Ok . Before I go and buy the Evo 3D,I NEED to know is their gonna be a full root for it ..
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I have a fully rooted Heroc with S-OFF I'll trade/sell you for that TOTALLY NOT EVER GOING TO BE ROOTED Evo 3D.
HAVEN'T YOU READ THE FORUMS? DON'T YOU KNOW ITS NEVER GOING TO BE ROOTED? WHAT? DO YOU THINK THAT SOME XDA MEMBER (For the sake of example, we'll call him "icm714") IS GOING TO COME ACROSS A EVO3D JUST TWO WEEKS AWAY AND SPEND TIME WITH THE XDA COMMUNITY LATE INTO THE NIGHT AND LEAK SOME ENG S-OFF BUILD FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TO SCOUR AND POSSIBLY ROOT BEFORE LAUNCH?
LOL, YEAH RIGHT!
So hit me up, $199 and its yours! Cool? Word!
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I have a fully rooted Heroc with S-OFF I'll trade/sell you for that TOTALLY NOT EVER GOING TO BE ROOTED Evo 3D.
HAVEN'T YOU READ THE FORUMS? DON'T YOU KNOW ITS NEVER GOING TO BE ROOTED? WHAT? DO YOU THINK THAT SOME XDA MEMBER (For the sake of example, we'll call him "icm714") IS GOING TO COME ACROSS A EVO3D JUST TWO WEEKS AWAY AND SPEND TIME WITH THE XDA COMMUNITY LATE INTO THE NIGHT AND LEAK SOME ENG S-OFF BUILD FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TO SCOUR AND POSSIBLY ROOT BEFORE LAUNCH?
LOL, YEAH RIGHT!
So hit me up, $199 and its yours! Cool? Word!
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Ha! 10 points!
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I have a fully rooted Heroc with S-OFF I'll trade/sell you for that TOTALLY NOT EVER GOING TO BE ROOTED Evo 3D.
HAVEN'T YOU READ THE FORUMS? DON'T YOU KNOW ITS NEVER GOING TO BE ROOTED? WHAT? DO YOU THINK THAT SOME XDA MEMBER (For the sake of example, we'll call him "icm714") IS GOING TO COME ACROSS A EVO3D JUST TWO WEEKS AWAY AND SPEND TIME WITH THE XDA COMMUNITY LATE INTO THE NIGHT AND LEAK SOME ENG S-OFF BUILD FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TO SCOUR AND POSSIBLY ROOT BEFORE LAUNCH?
LOL, YEAH RIGHT!
So hit me up, $199 and its yours! Cool? Word!
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You shouldn't do that while I'm drinking a coke... now I have to clean my monitor....
Lmfao! That was freaking hilarious haha. Glad i wasnt drinking anything lol. Pssst for dumb folks that didnt get joke read in different section where a guy was testing a 3D and asking for help to port info. The guys who got there hands on it were couple best dev 4g has who had hand in rooting the original. No doubt wthey will keep quiet til launch, but id say if what i read was true and pretty certain it is they prolly already have it done. Besides htc has been awesome with whole issue anyways. Very tiny chance they cant get past it htc will step up as always and solve it asap. Moto photon is simply a nightmare for motorola. They already losing stock big time now with this issue? 3D will outsell it 20 to 1. The rest will buy sammy. I was in bb in boro tn and the bb playbook? Lol dude said they have yet to sell ONE! Moto deserves same fate after that dont like locked bootloader buy elsewhere. Uhhh sure thing ill do exactly that you freaking noob!
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Op please search before making a thread
Here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1114081
Next time maybe thank
Close pleaseeeee
infected evo
Just a +1 on my post count. =)
thank you OP, this thread is just what we need
I don't get why its so hard to search
infected evo
Closing this thread. Please search before posting.

Tired of politics.

Getting fed up with all the politics.
HTC won't release unlock booloader until they can make it so they can detect it and void the warranty.
The s-off team won't release their hack, and they are trying to use it as bait to make HTC release the source code.
-that will never work.
Please, get your head out of your political azz, and release the s-off.
On top of all that, they try to slam Agreben for his work.
I secretly think they wouldn't have gotten close without his frevo, but that my opinion.
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Getting fed up with all the politics.
HTC won't release unlock booloader until they can make it so they can detect it and void the warranty.
The s-off team won't release their hack, and they are trying to use it as bait to make HTC release the source code.
-that will never work.
Please, get your head out of your political azz, and release the s-off.
On top of all that, they try to slam Agreben for his work.
I secretly think they wouldn't have gotten close without his frevo, but that my opinion.
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Umad?
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I almost thought that this thread was going to be about Steve Jobs trying to get HTC booted from the U.S. Seriously give up the shenanigans about not having S-OFF yet, do us all a favor and just return your phone so we don't have to listen to this kinda stuff anymore.
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I almost thought that this thread was going to be about Steve Jobs trying to get HTC booted from the U.S. Seriously give up the shenanigans about not having S-OFF yet, do us all a favor and just return your phone so we don't have to listen to this kinda stuff anymore.
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Really, u don't have to read it
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Takes out the worlds smallest violen and plays a sad song.
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I understand HTC waiting for a way to watermark, but is the s-off team really trying to bargain with s-off and source code?
Or is this just troll crap like 99% of rest of threads here
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I understand HTC waiting for a way to watermark, but is the s-off team really trying to bargain with s-off and source code?
Or is this just troll crap like 99% of rest of threads here
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Source?
Or is this the same speculative nonsense that the OP is using?
kthejoker20 said:
Getting fed up with all the politics.
HTC won't release unlock booloader until they can make it so they can detect it and void the warranty.
The s-off team won't release their hack, and they are trying to use it as bait to make HTC release the source code.
-that will never work.
Please, get your head out of your political azz, and release the s-off.
On top of all that, they try to slam Agreben for his work.
I secretly think they wouldn't have gotten close without his frevo, but that my opinion.
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Schizophrenia much?
Why would HTC release a mass update to all of their newest devices that will void the warranty for software not factory hardware defects?
Who cares if AlphaRev is taking their sweet time to perfect a hack that won't brick your phone and have you bug them if it does not work?
HTC releases the source code of their kernels when they want. No one is hanging anything in front of HTCs face for the kernels.
AlphaRev stated they achieved S-OFF using a different hack that had nothing to do with Agreben.
I wonder how many other secret thoughts you have that only make sense in your mind.
I'm willing to put money down you believe in Chemtrails too huh?
Wow! Another rage post! I did not expect to see this! I would totally like to see another hundred of these!
/sarcasm
trolls...
kmd
Please. no more teenagers posting....
I know you're all on summer break. Go play ps
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Takes out the worlds smallest violen and plays a sad song.
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Source?
Or is this the same speculative nonsense that the OP is using?
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No No... I am asking if what OP said about s-off team is true or troll. I am in no way co-signing OP, lol
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trolls...
kmd
Please. no more teenagers posting....
I know you're all on summer break. Go play ps
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Really? It sounds like you're more the troll in here, good sir.
If you want proof, go check twitter for teamwin and facebook for s off evo 3d.
BTW.... I'm not schizo..... (yea he's not a schizo...)
So kiss both our d*cks. lmao
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If you want proof, go check twitter for teamwin and facebook for s off evo 3d.
BTW.... I'm not schizo..... (yea he's not a schizo...)
So kiss both our d*cks. lmao
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There is a difference between schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder.
Post the links of proof. Lets see your train of thought.
Uhh yeah like wow take the prozac man it will help with the paranoia also I hear thorazine works nicely too for those paranoid delusions.
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Pretty obivious your all teenage college students studying psychology.
It's okay.
I thought I knew everything then too.
Now I know i do.

[Q] Who is S-Off?

OK everyone please excuse my noobish question but who the hell is s-off and why is this dude so important to have for our phones to make it function?!?!?! I thought buying through sprint should be enough to make my phone function but apparently that's not true? Also why would anyone want to see there phones get s-offed or f-offed or what ever y'all calling it. Does this also mean that I can't play angry birds without this dude s-off or make prank calls? Someone with a little more intelligence please explain why s-off is so important and where does he live so we can just go to his house and beat his door down for not coming out.
Um.... Really?
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guy has to be joking or simply has no motor skills (cant read)
first time ive ever heard somebody refer to s-off as a person LOL
This is the best troll post ever!
I normally don't reply to threads like these...but Wtf!
This person can't be serious.....I'm lmao!!!
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This is the best troll post ever!
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+1
Also, everyone who asks for s-off annoys the crap out of me. It's like they don't realize it takes time to get to that point, even more so with a locked bootloader - I realize ARX has s-off and I'm not trying to diminish what they or teamwin or any dev working on it but until its public we still don't have s-off for all intents and purposes. But back to the OP, feels good to laugh.
PS - for every one post asking for an ETA god kills an Android dev. Please, think of the devs.
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Edit: Clarification. Trying to convey my thoughts in text form through my phone is a little difficult.
Glad to make you all laugh, yes I'm joking.
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I heard Verizon and ATT teamed up with Apple and had him assassinated. Just FYI.
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corybucher said:
OK everyone please excuse my noobish question but who the hell is s-off and why is this dude so important to have for our phones to make it function?!?!?! I thought buying through sprint should be enough to make my phone function but apparently that's not true? Also why would anyone want to see there phones get s-offed or f-offed or what ever y'all calling it. Does this also mean that I can't play angry birds without this dude s-off or make prank calls? Someone with a little more intelligence please explain why s-off is so important and where does he live so we can just go to his house and beat his door down for not coming out.
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Very Funny!!!
Very True!!!
This is good..!
s-off should really come around, he's being mentioned so much! I mean, can't you just come and help everyone out? You are sorely missed, dude.... Don't you have family that is worried about you? For realz....
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Very Funny!!!
Very True!!!
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Hmmm, didn't think it was that funny. Seems like people are just trying to hard now.
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Awesome pic
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Hmmmmmmmmmm
Who is this s-off person you speak of lol
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Ok, I'm here, now what?
S-Off said:
Ok, I'm here, now what?
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L M F A O
I Haz 3D!
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Ok, I'm here, now what?
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Hahahaha that's awesome.
Well we may have to wait just a tad longer. I read in the sensation forums they were waiting for the mytouch slide 4g (which was released today) and was shipped s-on and fully locked. They will probably include that in the next beta. Hopefully it is the same method as the sensation and the shooter so it shouldn't take that much longer.
P.s. people in the sensation forums are saying this week
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Ok, I'm here, now what?
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Get into my phonez!

So......ICS leak or OTA this week???

Me and another member have a feeling that ICS will either leak or come as an OTA this week. We can't provide source information or pics or anything but our sources work for Sprint and HTC. Just be on the lookout.
I mean I could see it with the new Evo coming out soon. I think we'd see a leak and not the official for a little while or just get the OTA. I mean with the need Evo coming out, devs could use that to port to over to the 3D and it should have working 4g right? Unless the new evo JUST runs LTE.
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Lol. You missed April fools day by 3 days knowledge!
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Lol. You missed April fools day by 3 days knowledge!
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April Fool's Day should just be called what it really is...
St. Troll's Day
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Lol. You missed April fools day by 3 days knowledge!
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SMFH. I'm actually being serious. IF it does OTA though, that means my team will lose the bet.
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I mean I could see it with the new Evo coming out soon. I think we'd see a leak and not the official for a little while or just get the OTA. I mean with the need Evo coming out, devs could use that to port to over to the 3D and it should have working 4g right? Unless the new evo JUST runs LTE.
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a leak is doubtful at this point....when is the last time the 3D saw a leak for any of its OTA's its gotten before hand?......
The new EVO will run LTE only and being a completely different chipset and hardware top to bottom will give the devs here very little help in anything for the 3D...
So....we meet again Sgt. Slaughter! Prepare.....
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So....we meet again Sgt. Slaughter! Prepare.....
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I'm with knowledge... He's got inside "knowledge"
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knowledge561 said:
Me and another member have a feeling that ICS will either leak or come as an OTA this week. We can't provide source information or pics or anything but our sources work for Sprint and HTC. Just be on the lookout.
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aren't you the same guy who had a friend like 3 weeks after the 3d was released who had a "fully working MIUI port" but didnt want to share because....yea......and if you happen to be right this time - dont forget even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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So....we meet again Sgt. Slaughter! Prepare.....
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Haha yeah...to be honest the sprint exec saying lte phones won't show up till late 3rd qtr early 4th really was my basis for my bet...June release for the new EVO throws a link in the plans...
Just hope Sprint takes note from ATT and not delay an OTA just because a device is being released...
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lol I'm still skeptical about it though. I hear the Nexus comes later this month or next month. Then you guys get a One X version. There's plenty of reason to hold off ICS for the 3D.
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aren't you the same guy who had a friend like 3 weeks after the 3d was released who had a "fully working MIUI port" but didnt want to share because....yea......and if you happen to be right this time - dont forget even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Blow Me!
I apologize if I'm mistaken, But isn't this the same guy who claimed to have "insider information" about what the EVO 3D was going to be like on I think Android central forums or Android forums or something...?
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Me and another member have a feeling that ICS will either leak or come as an OTA this week. We can't provide source information or pics or anything but our sources work for Sprint and HTC. Just be on the lookout.
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zeuzinn said:
I apologize if I'm mistaken, But isn't this the same guy who claimed to have "insider information" about what the EVO 3D was going to be like on I think Android central forums or Android forums or something...?
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Nope. This is my first and only android forums. Never been on others.
zeuzinn said:
I apologize if I'm mistaken, But isn't this the same guy who claimed to have "insider information" about what the EVO 3D was going to be like on I think Android central forums or Android forums or something...?
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That was BlueScreen or w/e his name was.
I have a feeling that over 60 seconds another minute is passed away to the unrecoverable lost time.
I have an information from a guy who was my teacher 15 years ago.
Just my 2 cent...
This thread was literally created to stir up a hornet's nest... Just saying.
Meh, I say the 3d is not going to get ICS OTA because Sprint hasn't even put out their ICS phones. Why would they OTA it when they need to push the new products? They are in fact a company in it for the money, OTA ICS would not make sense (har har) as far as a sales standpoint, why let the consumers have they new stuff for free when you want to push the latest and greatest phone you have to offer?
I could be terribly wrong as well, a leak sure why not but I have no faith in an OTA from Sprint. Hell today's event could be the release of the Kyocera Echo 2 now with dual cores!!!! (seriously that would suck though)

New EVO 4G LTE

Oh yea, so glad my upgrade is June the 1st, woo hoo. I just hope it doesn't take long to root that new beast LOL.
downgraded Hboot, now I have phone freedom woo hoo. gotta love xda
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Oh yea, so glad my upgrade is June the 1st, woo hoo. I just hope it doesn't take long to root that new beast LOL.
downgraded Hboot, now I have phone freedom woo hoo. gotta love xda
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I don't know how its gonna get root with a non-removable battery? Be interesting to see.
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t4d73 said:
I don't know how its gonna get root with a non-removable battery? Be interesting to see.
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Are you serious? Our devs will have it licked with or with out a removable battery.
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t4d73 said:
I don't know how its gonna get root with a non-removable battery? Be interesting to see.
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The battery doesn't have anything to do with root....
iPhone > *
bloodrain954 said:
The battery doesn't have anything to do with root....
iPhone > *
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That's what I was thinking.... lmao
jamesjeter1 said:
Oh yea, so glad my upgrade is June the 1st, woo hoo. I just hope it doesn't take long to root that new beast LOL.
downgraded Hboot, now I have phone freedom woo hoo. gotta love xda
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.please search next time please as there is one on the first few threads already on this...helps reduce the clutter and work of the mods if we take a moment to just look before posting threads...
Sorry, delete then please.....
downgraded Hboot, now I have phone freedom woo hoo. gotta love xda
The other thread said news about the new phone, I was creating a new 1 to see how many people was actually gonna jump ship from the 3d
downgraded Hboot, now I have phone freedom woo hoo. gotta love xda
EVO 3D was a gimmick. lol.
I am an original EVO 4G user.
And, I have a rooted HTC Jetstream tablet (WHICH has a nonremoveable battery).
Point being, root doesn't depend on battery.
The issue with the battery is that If it gets stuck in a boot loop, devs are kinda stuck in powering it down and such.
Ammi rite?
Kickstand, microsd, lovely casing(opion), and sprint unlimited network. After all these +'s, people still complain about something. I think at this point, I am going to stay a loyal htc fanboy because 1.) I don't want to go back to apple(I like to have more than a screen full of icons on my phone) and 2.) Samsung's Touchwiz is a generic looking launcher, IMO. and 3.)Htc's native apps are functional for my technology needs.
jamesjeter1 said:
The other thread said news about the new phone, I was creating a new 1 to see how many people was actually gonna jump ship from the 3d
downgraded Hboot, now I have phone freedom woo hoo. gotta love xda
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That is NOT how you worded your title nor even did the question come up in your post.
for one involving jumping ship there is a thread already on that too already anyway.
Just to re-emphasize:
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Ugh I'm really torn now. I have no wimax where I live, and have awful 3g speeds for the past two years (literally slower than dial-up during the day). I was REALLY thinking of biting the bullet and switching to Verizon, but this phone is awesome. And at $199 it's a steal. However, according to the leaks, I won't get 4g in my area until at least 2013, really limiting what this phone is used for.
Jeez, enough new thread posts already. Let the moderators handle it rather then adding another post to a thread you already disagree with.

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