FWIW, I have tried GtabCom, Flashback, and Clemsyn/Calkulin6 recently, and I think I am going to stick with Clem/Calk6 (froyo). Here's what I found, and the order of the comparison topics reflects my priorities:
Boot time: quicker on clem/calk6 - takes about 24s from power button press to lock screen
Responsiveness: snappier on clem/calk6.
Stability (FCs, freeze-ups): better on clem/calk6
Video playback: Tied. Even though froyo has HW acceleration, video playback seems to be about the same for the quality of videos that I watch
Netflix: Tied. Available and working on both
upnp: Tied. Access to content over upnp works on both
Web browsing: Tied. HC has a better shortcut widget but Clem/Calk has a snappier browsing experience.
Apps/games: Tied. Everything I play seems to work on both platforms
Flash web games: Tied. Sites like Kongregate seem to work on both.
Flash video: Tied.
Sexiness: HC. HC is WAY sexier than froyo
Widgets: HC. Related to sexiness. Widgets are way better on HC.
Gmail widget: HC. Have not found a decent gmail widget on Clem/Calk
Location: HC. IP-based location not working on Clem/Calk6
Camera: Froyo. Works on froyo but I don't use it
Overall, I would say that in comparing functionality, froyo and HC are tied. HC is definitely better looking, but for me beauty is only skin deep , and speed and reliability are keeping me on Froyo.
Could you run this hw acceleration stress test on calkulin + clemsyn combo and let us know what fps the tablet could get :
http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL/
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Thanks for posting.
How about battery life? Supposedly Gingerbread fixed a lot of the battery life problems and HC implemented that. Did you do anything with battery life comparision?
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Could you run this hw acceleration stress test on calkulin + clemsyn combo and let us know what fps the tablet could get :
http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL/
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I'm also on Calkulin+ClemsynCombo v6 (an prefer it)...I get 10 FPS...my Windows PC @ work gets 12FPS.
Al
jhermit said:
Thanks for posting.
How about battery life? Supposedly Gingerbread fixed a lot of the battery life problems and HC implemented that. Did you do anything with battery life comparision?
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Good point - I forgot about this in my original post. I think that battery life is much better in Clem/Calk6, and this is also important to me however I don't have any hard measurements to back this up. There are some threads that talk about included apps that reduce battery life in HC.
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Could you run this hw acceleration stress test on calkulin + clemsyn combo and let us know what fps the tablet could get :
http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL/
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I'm also on Calkulin+ClemsynCombo v6 (an prefer it)...I get 10 FPS...my Windows PC @ work gets 12FPS.
Al
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Al, thanks for posting the result. I assume that you are using the stock browser ?
People who used HC alpha reported their test results to be between 4 - 12 fps. So it seemed that the full hw acceleration of froyo is not being utilized in browing ?
Could you repeat the test with different browsers, i.e. firefox, Dolphin HD v4.5 and opera mobile ?
Your 12 fps score on the PC is low. A $30 cheap 5450 radeon video card with 1 MB memory could improve the score to 60 + fps and you will notice a significant improvement.
Dave
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Al, thanks for posting the result. I assume that you are using the stock browser ?
People who used HC alpha reported their test results to be between 4 - 12 fps. So it seemed that the full hw acceleration of froyo is not being utilized in browing ?
Could you repeat the test with different browsers, i.e. firefox, Dolphin HD v4.5 and opera mobile ?
Your 12 fps score on the PC is low. A $30 cheap 5450 radeon video card with 1 MB memory could improve the score to 60 + fps and you will notice a significant improvement.
Dave
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Here's the results for Dolphin HD - 12 FPS & Firefox 6 FPS.
Couldn't locate a copy of Opera Mobile...market and amazon show my gtab as incompatible.
Yeah, business PC @ work not much for graphics- shared memory s.cks...your tax dollars @ work (it's a government PC).
Flash web games on Facebook (zynga, CivWorld, etc) are awful on both.
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Flash web games on Facebook (zynga, CivWorld, etc) are awful on both.
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Bejeweled Blitz works fine for me through facebook, played on both Calk/Clem and BC/Clem both OCed 1400
Problem for me is the 'sexiness' of HC makes it very hard for me to go back to my old rom (Beasty/Clem) despite the fact it is noticeably faster then Gtab. Plus you lose out on some great tablet apps like News360.
Reeser,
What other tablet apps do you like since I do like News360 and a number of apps I find are definitely designed for phones instead of tablets.
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Problem for me is the 'sexiness' of HC makes it very hard for me to go back to my old rom (Beasty/Clem) despite the fact it is noticeably faster then Gtab. Plus you lose out on some great tablet apps like News360.
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You gain very little but lose a lot with HC. Mainly NO HW Acceleration. If I have good hardware then I want to be able to get the full benefits it has. HC is definitely the latest but gor GTabs, not the greatest IMO.
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FWIW, I have tried GtabCom
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That's what I use. I prefer an OS designed for a Tablet, when using a Tablet.
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That's what I use. I prefer an OS designed for a Tablet, when using a Tablet.
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Yeah but it's like using a pc with an awesome video card only that he awesome video card is disabled in favor of lame intel graphics.
Just to get a consesus going. I've went back and forth between GTC and Clem/Calk5, I keep going back to Froyo. It may not have all the bells and whistles but it's just not worth it for what I lose in HC.
I'll stay on Froyo until I encounter a must have app that will only run on HC.
Here is the one thing that is detering me from going back to Froyo (and its so minor..)
PORTRAIT ORIENTATION. I WANT MY SOFT KEYS TO BE ON THE BOTTOM.
If Honeycomb would play hulu I would stay there, but I only get sound or video but not both in any of the solutions I have tried....anyone have a working hulu fix for Honeycomb?
I also agree, I also switch back to Gingerbread or Honeycomb due to the buttons on the bottom, if someone could create a utility for this I would probably stay with Froyo. As it is I switch between Beasty's, CM7Tab and Flashback and GtabComb on nearly a daily basis...So conflicted!
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Yeah but it's like using a pc with an awesome video card only that he awesome video card is disabled in favor of lame intel graphics.
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I hear this often, but in my actual use I don't see any issues with overclocked performance in graphics. I must not be playing enough games - I use it for email, reading, browsing, etc. Maybe watch a video now and then (on the far less than 720p screen, watching "HD" video makes no sense)
So, yeah. Whatever floats your boat.
I've been wondering about the hardware acceleration issue as well. It came up in the Illuminate thread, since he's claimed that HA is working on his rom. Folks there have tested some graphics intense games and they worked fine on their system. They can play video with software decoding, so what exactly does HA give us as a benefit.
Can anyone that's running a HC rom please run an Antutu benchmark and report their 2D and 3D rendering results?
the other benchmark test mainly concentrate on CPU performance, not graphics rendering. I had run a Neocore test and got 62.7FPS with Calk/Clem. I've been told that the test is outdated, but if it produces the same results with a HC rom, then we'll know that HA doesn't effect graphics rendering as much as we thought.
Thanks,
Todd Evans
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I've been wondering about the hardware acceleration issue as well. It came up in the Illuminate thread, since he's claimed that HA is working on his rom. Folks there have tested some graphics intense games and they worked fine on their system. They can play video with software decoding, so what exactly does HA give us as a benefit.
Can anyone that's running a HC rom please run an Antutu benchmark and report their 2D and 3D rendering results?
the other benchmark test mainly concentrate on CPU performance, not graphics rendering. I had run a Neocore test and got 62.7FPS with Calk/Clem. I've been told that the test is outdated, but if it produces the same results with a HC rom, then we'll know that HA doesn't effect graphics rendering as much as we thought.
Thanks,
Todd Evans
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Antutu v2.1
Flashback 7.1
2d 315
3d 1030
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Hi guys,
I've just purchased a archos 101 and am "reasonably" happy with it... I wanted something to browse the web in a comfortable way without having to boot my PC.
Now I know I shouldn't expect wonders for the price I payed but I would like to get your input on following points:
- browsing is kinda choppy when scrolling. Not really a big deal but off course a smoother experience would be nice so if there are solutions here I would like to hear them I don't know if another browser might make a difference?
- video playback: this is a complaint from the misses , she was going to make a chocolate cake and wanted to view the "howto" movie online. It started up but was really choppy (this is the link to the movie: http://www.vt4.be/videos/chocoladetaart). I don't know if you guys can play this video smoothly with whatever setup you have?
I don't know the resolution of the video (I know the 101 can handle 720p) but if the resolution is higher is there a way to play it in lower resolution somehow without a lot of pre-video-watching-actions?
PS The video played back nicely on my HTC Desire with Redux 1.2 ROM (gingerbread)
What's the advice for this tablet in general to get the full potential out of it? Is installing urukdroid a must or are there other options?
PS I've set power management already to "overdrive"
Thx
B
Archos still doesn't have a GPU-accelerated version of Flash, so Flash playback in the Browser is a bit rough. I usually find that it's acceptable once you put it into fullscreen mode. Also, that video was fairly high res for Flash, usually I'm watching stuff through youtube at 360p, so you may want to test with some lower quality videos, and don't forget to go into fullscreen mode.
IIRC, there is no way to make the system capable of playing videos over 1280x720. I use Handbrake on my PC to downsample any of my 1080p stuff, but obviously it takes time to reencode. You could use something like TVersity to recode on-the-fly, but I always found it to be a PITA.
Installing Uruk isn't a must by any means, but I like to theme my device and do alot of other stuff that requires R/W access to the system. Performance is better in some ways as well, such as having ext4 partitions instead of the stock squashfs, but it's not a huge difference. Uruk also has advantages such as Ad-Hoc wifi connnections, better phone tethering compatibility, support for DVB, etc.
Overall though, if you just use it to browse the web, I don't think you'll see much difference with Urukdroid. Doesn't mean I don't recommend it though.
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IIRC, there is no way to make the system capable of playing videos over 1280x720.
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I know what you mean, but you can play 1080p on your Archos, but extreeeeemly slowly, around 0.3-0.5 frames pro second
@msticninja : did the video play ok on your device or was it jerky?
I've been experimenting a bit with browsers and so far opera mobile (not mini) seems to be the smoothest... if you activate "opera turbo" it's even faster but pictures are lower quality
I've tried stock browser, opera mini, opera mobile, dolphin HD and Skyfire
cheers
B
It was pretty jerky. When she was just standing talking it wasn't bad, but once 50% or more of the pixels were changing on each frame, it skipped badly until the movement settled down. It's just too high res for the flash optimization. You can either try to watch lower res vids, which I know is hard in this situation, or you can try to use a Download Helper to download the flash video, then play it in the stock Video Player. Should be no skipping there with the hardware acceleration.
Eventually, someone will either hack together or legitimately release a hardware-accelerated version of Flash for our Gen8 devices, and that should make it drastically better. At least I hope someone will.
msticninja said:
Eventually, someone will either hack together or legitimately release a hardware-accelerated version of Flash for our Gen8 devices, and that should make it drastically better. At least I hope someone will.
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I watched that video on my desktop computer and my quad core processor went to 25% on all 4 cores and had burst download speeds of 1Mbyte/s so watching this on a single core non optimized flash will be a disaster.
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I watched that video on my desktop computer and my quad core processor went to 25% on all 4 cores and had burst download speeds of 1Mbyte/s so watching this on a single core non optimized flash will be a disaster.
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what I don't understand then is that this video played perfectly on my desire... I know the desire is a great device but what's the difference compared to the archos?
berre said:
what I don't understand then is that this video played perfectly on my desire... I know the desire is a great device but what's the difference compared to the archos?
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Hardware acceleration enabled flash maybe.
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Hardware acceleration enabled flash maybe.
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Yes, the GPU acceleration makes a huge difference, more than I thought it should, until I realized that GPUs process data differently, with multiple cores/threads, and the fact that they're designed solely to pump out pixels, not numbers. (Yes, I know that's kind of an idiosyncrasy)
If we get GPU acceleration, it would probably be capable of playing flash games even.
update: just installed Flash Player 10.2.156.12 instead of 10.3 and there is big improvement in the video! it's still a bit choppy but much much more "viewable"
cheers
B
Any chance or hope we can get a CyanogenMod for the aria that comes with flash "lite" or could we install it ourselves on "CyanogenMod 7 for Aria"?.
I am trying to squeeze the most performance from my aria, and would like to give CyanogenMod a try over my current rom "Liberated 2.2.2 oc 806mhz". But i do not want to loose the ability to watch youtube or surf the web with 'flash'. My games are a little choppy but certanly much better over "stock at&t rom at 600mhz" so i would like to give "CyanogenMod gingerbread 2.3 oc 806mhz" a try.
As of now i OC my aria to 864mhz during play time, and underclock for normal use..But of course i am weary of freeze up. So far no problems and games run pretty good. (Backbreaker, Driftmania, and Motorbike Gp are my benchmark games). I also have hardware acceleration enabled through blade buddy(good or bad?)
L4mishotiz said:
Any chance or hope we can get a CyanogenMod for the aria that comes with flash "lite" or could we install it ourselves on "CyanogenMod 7 for Aria"?.
I am trying to squeeze the most performance from my aria, and would like to give CyanogenMod a try over my current rom "Liberated 2.2.2 oc 806mhz". But i do not want to loose the ability to watch youtube or surf the web with 'flash'. My games are a little choppy but certanly much better over "stock at&t rom at 600mhz" so i would like to give "CyanogenMod gingerbread 2.3 oc 806mhz" a try.
As of now i OC my aria to 864mhz during play time, and underclock for normal use..But of course i am weary of freeze up. So far no problems and games run pretty good. (Backbreaker, Driftmania, and Motorbike Gp are my benchmark games). I also have hardware acceleration enabled through blade buddy(good or bad?)
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'Flash Lite' is a HTC proprietary application that runs on HTC Sense, so there is no chance that it will be ported to CM7.
You can still watch most YouTube videos, either through the YouTube app or through the mobile website, because it actually doesn't use Flash to deliver that content. And as far as I know, Flash Lite doesn't even work with the full YouTube site anyway, unless I'm mistaken. (Been forever since I used Flash Lite.)
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You can still watch most YouTube videos, either through the YouTube app or through the mobile website, because it actually doesn't use Flash to deliver that content. And as far as I know, Flash Lite doesn't even work with the full YouTube site anyway, unless I'm mistaken. (Been forever since I used Flash Lite.)
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So iam guessing an android friendly html. In that case what rom would squeeze the best gaming performance. my current set up or another. and does enabling hardware acceleration make a differance
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So iam guessing an android friendly html. In that case what rom would squeeze the best gaming performance. my current set up or another. and does enabling hardware acceleration make a differance
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The aria may not be tgr ideal gaming platform but so far everygame I've tried playing has worked for me. I'm currently running cm7. I keep my phone at 320min/768 max ondemand for the most part. I use tasker to automatically run some games at higher clock speeds and with the performance governor when I open them (major battery drain if the phones not plugged in to charge though). Vm heap size can also be raised for intensive games. I also keep surface dithering off which helps. Of course flash based games are a no-go on cm7. Not sure if the flash lite liberated roms will allow you to play flash games either though.
Sent from my cm7 Aria.
"Vm heap size can also be raised for intensive games."
what would be a good value?
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"Vm heap size can also be raised for intensive games."
what would be a good value?
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I've found 32 to be sufficient for the most part. 48 is even better but it tends to make the phone a little less responsive overall. Its unfortunate that it can't be adjusted without a reboot so you could just crank it up for gaming and bring it back down for regular use.
Sent from my cm7 Aria.
I have it now at 32. Need for speed shift runs well i am very happy about that!
I was trying to find a way to lower the resolution on some "HD" games but have not found anything. as you all know those games need more screen that the aria can offer.
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I have it now at 32. Need for speed shift runs well i am very happy about that!
I was trying to find a way to lower the resolution on some "HD" games but have not found anything. as you all know those games need more screen that the aria can offer.
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There's an app available that raises the pixel density of the screen. That might be just the ticket for such games. Its called something along the lines of 'Pixel Density Changer'. I don't recall if I saw it n the market or here on xda. I'm sure a quick search will turn it up.
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Ok Thank you @CallMeAria.. Just to make sure with cm7 are you able to watch youtube videos, or web content using xscope(streaming videos)
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Ok Thank you @CallMeAria.. Just to make sure with cm7 are you able to watch youtube videos, or web content using xscope(streaming videos)
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Youtube yes, but only the mobile version of the site. Of course there's also the youtube app and youtube downloaders. There is also a megavideo app that allows you to watch video from that site.
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Hi All,
I am enjoying playing around improving the speed of my touchpad. It is now clocked to 1.7Ghz.
Surprisingly my iPad 1 loads web pages considerably quicker than my over-clocked touchpad (BBC.co.uk is a good example).
Given the hardware improvements this is a little surprising.
I have applied the recommended patches, just wondered if anyone out there has managed to tweak their TP so that it can out perform an ipad 1 for loading web pages?
Would be interested to know your thoughts.
Thanks
Dan
The stock browser is well known for being decidedly average.
Have you applied the download-speed patch amongst the others?
Do you have the caching patch applied? That can make a big difference in the browser speed.
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thanks for the response. Been doing some reading and concluded that the webos browser / os just is not optimised for the hardware.
Madness really, A processor that runs almost twice as fast yet cant load BBC.co.uk as quick.
Sort of understand why HP decided to pull out - they have got so much to do to get on par with Apple..
its interesting reading that some say there overclocked TP is as fast as anything out there, i think they are kidding there selves.
Still, I love this new gadget - for £89 I am not moaning.. (but can see why they would never sell at iPad prices)
Thanks
Dan
have pretty much all patches for the browser, but not tried the caching patch. I think there are a couple out there. I will have a play.
Its clear where the performance of this device sits Vs the current competition.... roll on Andriod Port
cheers all
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thanks for the response. Been doing some reading and concluded that the webos browser / os just is not optimised for the hardware.
Madness really, A processor that runs almost twice as fast yet cant load BBC.co.uk as quick.
Sort of understand why HP decided to pull out - they have got so much to do to get on par with Apple..
its interesting reading that some say there overclocked TP is as fast as anything out there, i think they are kidding there selves.
Still, I love this new gadget - for £89 I am not moaning.. (but can see why they would never sell at iPad prices)
Thanks
Dan
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At 1.7ghz your Touchpad is running OVER 2x the clockspeed of the original iPad not to mention that it also has double the cores. The original iPad runs at 800mhz single core. I have made a few videos to dispute some people at Precentral that claim the Touchpad's browser is faster than their desktop computer's and other insane claims like that. All of them have my iPad considerably beating the Touchpad, especially on content heavy sites. Also this is with flash off and disabled on the TP and cache cleared on both.
I have the Touchpad and my girlfriend the iPad2.
- Web surfing speed is much faster on the iPad2 even after tweaks enabled on Touchpad.
- Scrolling is smoother on iPad(2).
- Websites are displayed better and more functional on the Touchpad.
- Some JavaScript intensive stuff (like image lightboxes) runs smoother on the Touchpad, almost as smooth like on a computer. I don't know if all JS things run faster on the Touchpad.
In the end I think the iPad(2) has the better surfing experience for most people.
The web application for the Touchpad just seems badly programmed.
It's the whole OS that's slow, not just the browser. Seems the few remaining webOS' engineer's didn't have the motivation to optimize it.
webOS is a great OS. It's just let down by its speed. If they made it open source, the community could improve it no end.
Is the BBC page filled with flash? The iPad may be loading faster since it doesn't have to load the flash
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Is the BBC page filled with flash? The iPad may be loading faster since it doesn't have to load the flash
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Someone (not OP) states above that they tested with Flash disabled and cache cleared, and TP still loses.
I can conform the same - TP with patches/tweaks and overclocked to 1.5 GHz is considerably slower than any Android devices I could compare it to (2 phones, 2 tablets). I am actually considering dumping it because it is SO slow, I just can't use it. Try starting up the 3.0.2 stock calculator - it takes a few seconds for it to start!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It should be lightning fast! When I need to run a couple of easy numbers, it is quicker for me to do it myself than to wait for the TP to start up the calculator app.
If there is no reliable android port that runs FAST, I consider the $150 WASTED.
Hopefully the browser will be on par with the hardware once we get android. Also i know the touchpad has a slow browser, but i herd it has a much better range than the iPad. As in if you brought the iPad to where your out of wifi range, the touchpad will still work, and work almost as quick as when it was in closer range.
Can't test this out though, my touchpad hasn't arrived yet, but it just shipped 2 days ago, so it should be here soon
I haven't done much browsing on my Touchpad, since the browser really annoys me, but the worst example of the slowness that I have found is loading Engadget.com. I can load Engadget.com and then tap on a story and load that on my iPad before the Touchpad can load the Engadget.com main page.
iPad on the left and Touchpad on the right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCmUyADNN4w
Here is the Touchpad on the left and the iPad on the right loading Politico.com. The iPad loads the entire page, WITH ADS, before the Touchpad loads a single element without ads. That is pathetic HP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktBtiCImPsE&feature=player_detailpage#t=66s
Forgive the sound in the videos. The Epic4g I used to film is ridiculous at picking up every single sound while taking a video and I had a fan running in the room.
You all (and anyone who owns a Touchpad) needs to install the "disable cache" patch found on precentral.net. It will dramatically improves the browser speed by 40-50%, I'd say. You will need Preware installed to install Internalz pro from Preware. Then Internalz pro will install patch for you. Reboot after patch installs. The most important posts of the thread below are #1, #59 and #85.
here is link to thread.
http://forums.precentral.net/hp-tou...8215-disable-weboss-flawed-browser-cache.html
Hopefully this patch or code will be incorporated in the next webOS version.
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You all (and anyone who owns a Touchpad) needs to install the "disable cache" patch found on precentral.net. It will dramatically improves the browser speed by 40-50%, I'd say. You will need Preware installed to install Internalz pro from Preware. Then Internalz pro will install patch for you. Reboot after patch installs. The most important posts of the thread below are #1, #59 and #85.
here is link to thread.
this patch or code will be incorporated in the next webOS version.
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have done this - thanks
sadly ipad1 still comfortably out performs my TP...
thanks Dan
dluik said:
have done this - thanks
sadly ipad1 still comfortably out performs my TP...
thanks Dan
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One being faster than the other is less as important than one being comfortable with the speed itself. Point being, the Touchpad with the "disable cache" patch makes the browsing experience very enjoyable on the Touchpad. My Volvo 850R is not as fast as a Ferrari but its very fast and fun to drive to me. The patch improves the browsing speed greatly and anyone who has a Touchpad will benefit.
-Sent from my HP Touchpad
Glimpse app has a built-in browser that seems faster than the stock one.
Has anyone performed any performance testing between the two? I am interested in times ro perform basic tasks such as launching the reader, acessing a web page, etc.
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I do not have any data to prove it, but I work the Nook counter at B&N and there is a very obvious difference in the response. I've had my NT since Tuesday and there's no way I would go back to a NC.
I spent some time at B&N playing with the NT. IMHO, and in a totally subjective manner, it flies compared to the NC.
Page turns are super smooth, video plays beautifully, and the general response of the device is excellent.
Oh, and it feels MUCH lighter. I know it is supposed to be 10% lighter, but it feels very nice. I almost picked one up yesterday, but waiting for some B&N gift certs from some award programs to save $$
It depend on if you compare stock NT with stock NC.
From my brief experience owning a NT and currently rocking my CM7.1 NC. When overclocking the NC to 1.3ghz, most everyday operations doesn't differ too much between NC and NT, home scrolling, book page turning, webpage loading, etc. However during CPU or GPU intensive task, like watching a streaming video online or playing a demanding game (not angry bird), the CPU and GPU on NT really shines.
Unfortunately, there is not many demanding game in the Nook store right now, and watching flash streaming video online have some minor, but noticeable video flickering issues (most likely a software problem that will be fix in the next firmware update).
So if you don't have NC currently, or rocking a stock software NC, upgrade make a noticeable difference. However if you already OC your NC, then the decision to upgrade will have to depend on your use case.
Check the video about halfway through the article, I think it will give you an idea (at least in comparison with NC stock speed, I don't know how much the NC is snappier when overclocked).
engadget.com/2011/11/15/barnes-and-noble-nook-tablet-unboxing-and-hands-on-video/#continued
How about the screen NT? Is it accurate and responsive? especially on corners. thats my major complain on NC.
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Check the video about halfway through the article, I think it will give you an idea (at least in comparison with NC stock speed, I don't know how much the NC is snappier when overclocked).
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I have to admit that the linked article makes the NT seem very ho-hum. I think nothing beats using the device yourself to really compare it to the NC.
I haven't checked in the NC forum for the appropriate information but I eagerly await quadrant/linpack/antutu scores for the NT to see what we are really dealing with.
The same goes for the Fire. I mean we know the specs but we need something more quantifiable than, 'it's much more snappy' or whatever.
No offense intended to anyone.
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How about the screen NT? Is it accurate and responsive? especially on corners. thats my major complain on NC.
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That and fingerprint visibility annoys the hell out of me, constantly wiping the screen and it still not being clean.
Nuenjin said:
I haven't checked in the NC forum for the appropriate information but I eagerly await quadrant/linpack/antutu scores for the NT to see what we are really dealing with.
The same goes for the Fire. I mean we know the specs but we need something more quantifiable than, 'it's much more snappy' or whatever.
No offense intended to anyone.
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Don't rely on Quadrant or Linpack for accurate benchmarks, because they don't capture real life performance. Case and point, here is my NC running CM7.1 OC at 1.3ghz, which show a Quadrant score faster those most tegra 2 tablet out in the market today. This is incorrect, an OC Cortext-A8 processor cannot beat out a normal Tegra2 processor under any circumstance.
I've just picked up a gTab on eBay for quite a nice price, but it turns out that there are way more ROMs and developers for this gadget than I'd originally realized. I bought it with price-to-performance ratio in mind, my main goals being PDF reading on the go, Skype calls, light browsing, and maybe some emulation (can't get enough N64!). I bought the gTab knowing that there would be trade-offs, but it seems like some of the current ROMs have most things sorted out (even if the ROMs themselves are based on the outdated Froyo). My problem is that there are just so many ROMs, and it doesn't seem like there's a general consensus as to which one's "best" for performance.
So can anyone recommend a ROM based on what I'm looking for? I've read through the threads for most of the popular ones, including the Clemsyn + Calkulin release, Clemsyn + Beasty, Mountain Laurel, FrankenTAB, etc. etc. So far I haven't even been able to find the major differences between C/C and C/B, or what the new features of the newer ROMs are--only that they support a number of fixes for previous problems (and it seems like all of them support all of the fixes?).
Does any one ROM support "everything"? A snappy UI, low rate of app crashes, good hardware acceleration, proper battery life, Skype video calls, etc.? Or is it all a matter of trade-offs and opinions?
Edit: I didn't start this thread in the QA section because most of those threads looked more technical in nature. I apologize if this is in the wrong section.
I have tried most all of them that you mention and I like Beastly-Clemsyn the best,especially for what you are looking for. It is very fast and stable, can overclock but doesn't really even need it. Skype works, flash, everything except USB mouse, but that is caused by the Netflix fix and can be reverted if you would rather have a mouse than Netflix. Some games are a little touchy but they always are on the gtab. I have Muppen64 and I overclock when playing N64 games for better performance but it works well and works with my Wiimote over bluetooth. Flash, video and streaming work well and so on.
The older Roms can often be "updated". For example, I have one tablet with Beastly, I updated the Market and other Gapps that could be, put VTL launcher on and customize lock screen, did some light custom theme work and tweaking, installed Clemsyn's kernel and it's like a brand new rom.
I haven't tried Frankentab yet but I have it downloaded just haven't had a chance. I think it still has a couple bugs to work out but it looks very interesting. It is newer and actively maintained. Lots going on in the Gtab world lately, it has been great. I recommend you try a couple or a few and see what you like! My favorites are:
Froyo - Beastly-Clemsyn - Best all around ROM in my opinion
Gingerbread - Cyanogenmod 7
Honeycomb - Flashback (great looking but a few things don't work right)
ICS - to be continued ...!
DaggerDave said:
I have tried most all of them that you mention and I like Beastly-Clemsyn the best,especially for what you are looking for. It is very fast and stable, can overclock but doesn't really even need it. Skype works, flash, everything except USB mouse, but that is caused by the Netflix fix and can be reverted if you would rather have a mouse than Netflix. Some games are a little touchy but they always are on the gtab. I have Muppen64 and I overclock when playing N64 games for better performance but it works well and works with my Wiimote over bluetooth. Flash, video and streaming work well and so on.
The older Roms can often be "updated". For example, I have one tablet with Beastly, I updated the Market and other Gapps that could be, put VTL launcher on and customize lock screen, did some light custom theme work and tweaking, installed Clemsyn's kernel and it's like a brand new rom.
I haven't tried Frankentab yet but I have it downloaded just haven't had a chance. I think it still has a couple bugs to work out but it looks very interesting. It is newer and actively maintained. Lots going on in the Gtab world lately, it has been great. I recommend you try a couple or a few and see what you like! My favorites are:
Froyo - Beastly-Clemsyn - Best all around ROM in my opinion
Gingerbread - Cyanogenmod 7
Honeycomb - Flashback (great looking but a few things don't work right)
ICS - to be continued ...!
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I'm definitely going to have to experiment with a few different releases. What makes you pick Beastly-Clemsyn over the Calkulin-Clemsin? And do you know if the Beastly-Clemsyn setup has the same .gif image bug as the C+C setup? Also, what kind of frame rates are you getting out of N64 games?
Shame about the mouse, but I guess I can live with that. Are there no configurations that have everything working including the mouse and netflix?
FrankenTAB is the one for me after trying many, many of them. Smooth, fast and everything works well. Zero crashes in the months I have ran it.
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FrankenTAB is the one for me after trying many, many of them. Smooth, fast and everything works well. Zero crashes in the months I have ran it.
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Were you able to get .gifs to render properly in browsers other than Opera?
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I'm definitely going to have to experiment with a few different releases. What makes you pick Beastly-Clemsyn over the Calkulin-Clemsin? And do you know if the Beastly-Clemsyn setup has the same .gif image bug as the C+C setup? Also, what kind of frame rates are you getting out of N64 games?
Shame about the mouse, but I guess I can live with that. Are there no configurations that have everything working including the mouse and netflix?
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Okay I did some testing for you. I did not visit every web page but all the .gif image sites I went to rendered all the animated images just fine. I used DolphinHD and stock browsers to test (the ones that had problems with .gifs on C&C). Some basic Muppen64 testing:
Mario Kart 64 - OC=1336 - average 29 fps, 24-32 fps, very little/no stutter, playable
007 - OC=1336 - average 29 fps, 16-34 fps, very little/no stutter, playable
Super Smash Bros. - OC=1336 - average 34 fps, 25-50 fps, very little/no stutter, playable
Mario Kart 64 - No OC - average 24 fps, 18-28 fps, stutter and some lag, playable (barely)
007 - No OC - average 18 fps, 11-24 fps, lag and stutter, not very playable
Super Smash Bros. - No OC - average 24 fps, 14-47 fps, little lag/stutter, playable (not as smooth)
As you can see overclocking makes a big difference on emulators like Muppen64. I just crank it up to 1336 with SetCPU while using it and turn it back down when I am done (my gtab does not like to be overclocked!).
I chose Beastly over Caulkin for the following reasons: the .gif bug not reported in Beastly (not really a big deal), no market fix is required, Skype and Netflix both work without additional fixing, and I have never had a random crash, force close errors or SOD (until this morning anyway, I left it overclocked after testing and it was not happy when I tried to wake it back up. Oops!)
As far as I know there is no rom that is 100% working rom, including the stock rom. I believe you choose either working usb mouse and gsensor, or you can have Skype and Netflix, but the fix for one breaks the other. I don't care to use a usb mouse, but I do use a usb keyboard and it works fine. Like I said though you should definitely try a couple and see what works best for you. The difference between C&C and Beastly is they are ports of different roms built for other tablets. Read through the threads to find the fine details. I know it's a lot to read but it's better to read first and have fewer surprises later.
Thanks for the testing, DaggerDave. I'll have to try both FrankenTAB and C+B and see which one ends up working the best. Are there higher OCs than 1300 MHz?
It looks like the ICS rom that teamDRH is working on will be the undisputed champion by the time it's out of Beta, so I'm very excited for that.
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Were you able to get .gifs to render properly in browsers other than Opera?
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I use Dolphin and have not had any problems displaying any pictures or flash.
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Are there higher OCs than 1300 MHz?
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Yes depending on the kernel that is used in the rom, or installed by you, you can OC up to 1600. Clemsyn just released recently new kernels here and at another tablet forum.
It looks like the ICS rom that teamDRH is working on will be the undisputed champion by the time it's out of Beta, so I'm very excited for that.
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Me too. So far I have resisted the temptation to try it out (just like FrankenTab), only because I haven't had the time yet. Looks like it will be great once some of the bugs are worked out and more apps are fixed to work with ICS.
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Yes depending on the kernel that is used in the rom, or installed by you, you can OC up to 1600. Clemsyn just released recently new kernels here and at another tablet forum.
Me too. So far I have resisted the temptation to try it out (just like FrankenTab), only because I haven't had the time yet. Looks like it will be great once some of the bugs are worked out and more apps are fixed to work with ICS.
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Looks like ICS should blow Froyo roms out of the water once the kinks are worked out.
I do have one last question for you: If I have to sacrifice USB mouse for Netflix/Skype, do I also sacrifice bluetooth mouse/keyboard support?
Yea with working hardware acceleration, and eventually overclocking and more time to develop I can definitely see ICS becoming better than the Froyo roms. I love the Honeycomb UI but it was never fully developed, ICS will have the best of both.
I believe the Skype/Netflix fix effects the mouse orientation (moving mouse up goes right, right goes down, down goes left, etc). Probably regardless of weather the mouse is usb or bluetooth. Usb and bluetooth keyboards should work as long as the bluetooth version is supported by the Gtab. Some bluetooth keyboards have been reported not to work like the ones designed for the Asus Transformer I don't think they will work below Android 3.? just check before you buy one.
DaggerDave said:
I have tried most all of them that you mention and I like Beastly-Clemsyn the best,especially for what you are looking for. It is very fast and stable, can overclock but doesn't really even need it. Skype works, flash, everything except USB mouse, but that is caused by the Netflix fix and can be reverted if you would rather have a mouse than Netflix. Some games are a little touchy but they always are on the gtab. I have Muppen64 and I overclock when playing N64 games for better performance but it works well and works with my Wiimote over bluetooth. Flash, video and streaming work well and so on.
The older Roms can often be "updated". For example, I have one tablet with Beastly, I updated the Market and other Gapps that could be, put VTL launcher on and customize lock screen, did some light custom theme work and tweaking, installed Clemsyn's kernel and it's like a brand new rom.
I haven't tried Frankentab yet but I have it downloaded just haven't had a chance. I think it still has a couple bugs to work out but it looks very interesting. It is newer and actively maintained. Lots going on in the Gtab world lately, it has been great. I recommend you try a couple or a few and see what you like! My favorites are:
Froyo - Beastly-Clemsyn - Best all around ROM in my opinion
Gingerbread - Cyanogenmod 7
Honeycomb - Flashback (great looking but a few things don't work right)
ICS - to be continued ...!
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How'd you update your google apps on the Beasty 2.2 rom? This oudated version of Calendar is driving me nuts.
I don't use Calendar, but others like the market, maps and search I had to either download them and install with ES File Explorer, or uninstall them and reinstall (either from the market or side loading). Some versions will not work, so you have to find ones that do. The newest Market 3.4.4 (?) is working, newest Gmail works but the latest Voice Search and Maps do not. You will have to find the older versions (Maps < v6 works) and test them till you find what works. Have you tried going to the apps (Calendar for example) in the market to try to update them? I think I updated Gmail that way, it didn't show an update in 'My Apps' but it did when I searched for it.
Search for "axleration .apk downloads" for a list of 5 good sites that offer free .apks. Or a google search for a specific .apk will give you more results. Or if you are desperate, I have downloaded newer roms before and extracted the .apks from them (stick to same android version).
Everyone needs to start demanding camera drivers, the rest has been worked out.