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After seeing the screen on the samsung galaxy s II i'm pretty confident that its what i'll be getting, but...I'm concerned about burn in.
One of the reasons I was leaning towards the htc sensation is that with slcd I don't have to worry about burn in at all, but how much do i really have to worry about it?
I havn't seen many people complain about burn in on the first galaxy s, but there are still some cases.
Is it reduced on the galaxy s II?
Are the chances of this happening so low that I shouldnt worry about it?
How cheap/easy is it to replace the screen if this happens?
im interested in this as well
Hi,
I´m an Omnia 2 I8000 owner since 10.2009. It was the first phone on market with Samsungs Amoled-screen.
I allways use Black themes.
I don´t have any problems with screen burn up to now. You can see it slightly on testimages, but in normal use, you won´t notice it at all! I would post pictures, but my Display was replaced(Dust under the screen) a month ago, so its new again...
Rgds
Is there even such a problem on AMOLED screens? I came from a Nexus One with AMOLED screen and never had such issues, and I believe the screen was made by Samsung too.
hycian said:
Is there even such a problem on AMOLED screens?
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Amoled screens are basically plasma screens for phones.
They're completely different technologies, but the pros/cons are almost the same.
lcds make a picture but the backlight is what allows us to see it so clearly.
amoled make their own light, but they have a lifespan.
so the pixels that get the most use tend to fade, and leave a 'burn in' effect.
Berserk87 said:
After seeing the screen on the samsung galaxy s II i'm pretty confident that its what i'll be getting, but...I'm concerned about burn in.
One of the reasons I was leaning towards the htc sensation is that with slcd I don't have to worry about burn in at all, but how much do i really have to worry about it?
I havn't seen many people complain about burn in on the first galaxy s, but there are still some cases.
Is it reduced on the galaxy s II?
Are the chances of this happening so low that I shouldnt worry about it?
How cheap/easy is it to replace the screen if this happens?
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Burn in happens as early as 4-6 months of use with most AMOLED based screens, this happens mostly on the clock section of the notification bar, there is a long thread about this on the SGS1 forums. Honestly burn in is the least of concerns, be more concerned about the yellow tinting issue on most SAMOLED Plus screens.
Well ive had a samsung jet for some 3-4 years, one of the first amoleds (i think)
and i dont have a hint of burn in, i also got a htc desire after that because i fell in love with amoled and that doesnt have any burn in either. Now i have my sgs2 and the amoled love continues. I have a plasma screen at home so i am very familliar with burn in (nasty shock in the morning when falling asleep with it on!).
I think if samsung thought these were going to burn in they would have put screen protection/pixel flushing just like they did with my samsung plasma tv. Its really not a worry in my mind and i use bright blue glowing themes which are the most aggressive on amoled pixels.
Ive read horror stories of burn in but those are just faulty screens/handsets.
Heres the thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892498&page=16&highlight=amoled+burnin
what im still unable to find is how easy it would be to replace the screen if it were to burn in, and what it would cost.
never knew these AMOLED screens have image retention problems.
My Nexus One had terrible screen burn, the Froyo notification bar was clearly visable when not actually displayed. Hope the SGS2 does not go this way.
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Is there even such a problem on AMOLED screens? I came from a Nexus One with AMOLED screen and never had such issues, and I believe the screen was made by Samsung too.
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Yes there is a problem. My nexus one has permanent burn in. And I made a thread with many others posting pics of their burn in.
Its just a trait of amoled screens. My status bar, clock am pm, and keyboard are all burnt in to the screen on my nexus one.
Search the forum, this topic has already been covered.
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Search the forum, this topic has already been covered.
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Yes, but i cant find anything saying if its been improved on the amoled plus screens.
I would assume that the efficiency boost would lessen the effect a bit because it should boost the pixel lifespan, but im not 100%.
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Yes, but i cant find anything saying if its been improved on the amoled plus screens.
I would assume that the efficiency boost would lessen the effect a bit because it should boost the pixel lifespan, but im not 100%.
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Yes that is the question now, we don't know how much amoled plus improves this issue. I have to think that its gonna be much improved with this new generation.
Mine already seems to suffer from burn-in, most noticeable whenever my auto-brightness shifts to lower thresholds (had my SGS2 since the last day of June 2011). I wonder if Sammy can do any replacement for me.
I got a burn in too. The four bottom icons start to be visible with notification bar pulled down.
Looks like I ain't the only one with an sgs2 with this issue then. I notice it's only visible at low brightness - approximately 10-15%. And my notification bar has always been black.
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Got mine since it's release in May, always used very low brightness settings and a low screen-off-timer, 30 seconds or one minute.
Status bar is visible on red background and very visible on blue, some icons and the clock time are present all the time.
Really pathetic after very moderate and careful use in five month.
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Got mine since it's release in May, always used very low brightness settings and a low screen-off-timer, 30 seconds or one minute.
Status bar is visible on red background and very visible on blue, some icons and the clock time are present all the time.
Really pathetic after very moderate and careful use in five month.
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Similar to my usage pattern mate. Pathetic is the word. Damn.
What do you keep your display brightness at?
I left mine on auto since I got it bit now just changed it to 100%. Im gonna see how much worse it is on the battery because the trade off might be worth it for how awesome it looks at full brightness.
Coffinfeeder said:
What do you keep your display brightness at?
I left mine on auto since I got it bit now just changed it to 100%. Im gonna see how much worse it is on the battery because the trade off might be worth it for how awesome it looks at full brightness.
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I gotta go full on bright at all times. Why buy a phone with an awesome screen and throttle the beauty of it. Plus somebody might be looking over your shoulder. HaHa!!
With both my Captivate and Infuse, I never used auto brightness. I always use 0% unless I'm outdoors, as these screens are really readable even in well lighted rooms.
I keep mine on 100 percent. I dont see the point of having such an amazing screen if i can't enjoy it at full capacity.....
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Today my first day with the phone I left it at half way.
I have the brightness all the way down and its still really bright!
I use auto but at night in bed even at lowest setting its still pretty bright so I use an app called screen filter and dims the screen even lower then samsungs lowest setting. I would think this would save on battery life as well if you were to use this app more often?
Auto. I think this phone tends to be on the brighter side compared to others when on auto. I'm not saying that as a bad thing though, just an observation.
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Auto. I think this phone tends to be on the brighter side compared to others when on auto. I'm not saying that as a bad thing though, just an observation.
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Probably due to the increased number of pixels/increased area. Even with the same output per pixel, the note will be brighter than say an infuse or a captivate because there are more pixels shining towards your eyes.
I keep mine below 10% unless I am in bright sunlight. The screen is easy to read and less brightness over such a large screen means far less power consumption. Just my humble two cents.
--Mike
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I don't think that using the screen at less than 100% diminishes its beauty. Most times, for me at least, 100% is way too bright. Also, using the screen at 0% will show much better battery life. I notice huge drain when using my Infuse at 100% for any amount of time. I can literally watch my percentage drop as I catch up on XDA posts and facebook/twitter. The display is easily the biggest drain of all for any phone, and using it on 100% will drain your battery even quicker. Just don't complain about crappy battery life when it happens please.
If battery life was unlimited and not a factor would you use full brightness at all times?
No, as I said, the screen is too bright at times. Having it at 100% also heats up the phone more quickly.
I keep mine at 100 all the time for the same reason other posters have stated. Why take away from the main selling point of the phone (at least it is to me). I suppose I'm lucky in that I have an office job and spend a good deal of time at my desk during the day. I can always plug in for an hour or two if I need to, but so far with the Note I haven't needed to. No heat issues either.
Like most other things android, it always comes down to personal preference.
How is the text in full sunlight? This will be my work phone also and I need to be able to check e-mails in the sunlight.
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How is the text in full sunlight? This will be my work phone also and I need to be able to check e-mails in the sunlight.
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There is a fair amount of glare, of course, but I was able to easily read emails in direct sunlight. One of the first things I tried on Friday when I got it...
Thanks for the reply - this has to be a huge upgrade over my HTC Tilt 2. I have to either find shade or cover it up with my hand. Hopefully with the Note I will not have to put on my reading glasses to see.
10% indoor Auto outdoor
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the2rrell said:
I keep mine on 100 percent. I dont see the point of having such an amazing screen if i can't enjoy it at full capacity.....
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Enjoy while you can Ever heard of screen burn in? 100% brightness will only speed up the burn in. That's the same effect when you buy a Plasma TV and use the torch mode except AMOLED screens will burn in 10 times faster than Plasma screens.
foxbat121 said:
Enjoy while you can Ever heard of screen burn in? 100% brightness will only speed up the burn in. That's the same effect when you buy a Plasma TV and use the torch mode except AMOLED screens will burn in 10 times faster than Plasma screens.
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I still feel plasma > led > lcd
I loves my panasonic viera
Hello,
Im Using Amoled Smartphones since the Galaxy (i7500). They all were always showing at 100% Brightness for Black parts of a picture a true Black like the Display is OFF.
If you put the Brightness to 100% and go to an complete Dark Room and open an Black Picture you see some Gray/Yellow Tint on the Screen. You can compare this good by locking the phone to see the Screen OFF and than unlock it to view the Black Picture again. You should see a huge difference. Hope to hear from your experiences.
I've seen that already on the S1 when abusing it a a nightstand clock.
Best guess I've heard is that the (AMO)LED screen leaks some luminosity to other pixels in the background which is then visible as a very faint glow.
However I rather believe that the AMOLED are not truely off but rather get some leak voltage and thus have a very-very-very faint glow (like one photon per second xD )
That would explain the black spots most people seem to mind on AMOLED when on minimum brightness with a black screen; they are truely off or without insufficient leak voltagage (LED's requie a minimum voltage to work).
AMOLED production is somewhat complicated (very thin layer of silver as a power source and a control-layer) so I wouldn't be surprised if the above is true.
Nothing is perfect, especially not a rather new technology.
What else did you expect from a backlit display.
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What else did you expect from a backlit display.
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It's not backlit is the point.
Correct me if im wrong here but amoled is, by design, not backlit.
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Yeah so I was wondering why it does this little/ hard noticeable yellow/gray tint on a dark room...
There is no Backlight... Unfortunely i Sold my Galaxy S2 so I cant compare it.. But im Sure it wasnt like this
I have this on my gsiii and also on the Gnote... I think is due to the pentile screen
I had this on my Fascinate but realized it wasn't a big issue. Definitely more noticeable on my Gnex but it also has more pixels so that could be why you see more light. I wouldn't call it a problem because the majority of the time it's absolutely unnoticeable. Each pixel has so have some sort of voltage to be ready to react to changes. Turning off/on completely each time light is needed might waste battery.
P.S. I'm noob at displays but that's my theory.
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I had this on my Fascinate but realized it wasn't a big issue. Definitely more noticeable on my Gnex but it also has more pixels so that could be why you see more light. I wouldn't call it a problem because the majority of the time it's absolutely unnoticeable. Each pixel has so have some sort of voltage to be ready to react to changes. Turning off/on completely each time light is needed might waste battery.
P.S. I'm noob at displays but that's my theory.
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I was curious about this issue as well. It's my understanding that OLEDs do not produce any light in their inactive state.
Regarding your theory, I wonder if it's similar to plasma displays. Even though plasmas are capable of true black (they do not use a backlight) The individual plasma cells have better response times if they aren't fully discharged on blacks. So they have a faint glow that comes from the low power they are using to keep the pixel charged up and ready to go when a color change is needed.
This actually costs a little power though, rather than saving it. So if thats what they are doing, it is for screen quality reasons so that movies and other things look better.
Did some Googling and I couldn't find much information, but there is talk of delivering pre-charge voltage to the OLED pixels to improve response times. So it could be that they are indeed similar to plasma displays in that respect: Capable of true black, but the benefits of not using true black are too good to pass up.
Are you SURE the picture is actually true black? By that i mean pure 100% black in an uncompressed image? If not then you cant expect the phone to display true black. A JPEG of black may not be enough.
My screen it totally off when displaying true black.
I can confirm the screen showing a faint glow on S3 with a true black screen.
Use Firefox with Fullscreen extension (Chrome and the default browser don't seem to have fullscreen mode yet) and go to http://d4f.pf-control.de/black.html
That's rendered on the phone so we can expect it to be the blackest black an app can produce, however in a (very) dark room you'll see a very faint glow coming from the screen and you'll be able to see the black spots (truely black) that people keep complaining about.
The theory about it being a precharge voltage does indeed sound plausible since LED's have a certain reaction time which unfortunately cannot be compensated by e.g. Overdrive as is used in LCD screens.
Note that the S3's "black" is still far better than any LCD.
No mine is still jet black, no light at all.
Go to a COMPLETELY dark room and make sure the screen is actually turned on when on the website (not timed out).
Then take a long-exposure photograph of your phone (still make sure the screen is turned ON!).
I don't have a long exposure camera, but the room is completely dark and my eyes have adjusted, there is no light.
All sgs3 ( as sgs2) screens emit a very week glow on a black pictures ( with the screen on )
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It would seem to me that the 'ink spots' many have are not overly dark spots at all, they are what the screen should be. My screen emits no visible light when displaying a true black image, at least nothing my eyes can see, even at the edge of my vision field where light cell are most sensitive. My screen is on maximum brightness.
My screen has no patches, no streaks, no spots, no pink or excessively blue tint. I guess i have a screen thats as near to perfect as they get.
yes there is very faint glow indeed making the screen a bit greyish instead of pitch black
Excuse me if I am being naive but where is real life use would this ever be a negative impact?
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Excuse me if I am being naive but where is real life use would this ever be a negative impact?
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no negative impact, but still raises a question "why so?"
jfenton57 said:
Excuse me if I am being naive but where is real life use would this ever be a negative impact?
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I don't think anyone is trying to paint it as an issue that needs to be resolved. It's more of an odd technical mystery rather than a real problem. The blacks are still extremely deep on an AMOLED, just like with Plasma it puts LCD to shame in that department.
So we have a great phone with a horrible screen brightness problem.
Samsung touts its great battery life, (well yah with a dim screen).
I find I must always use 100% brightness setting to make the screen
even 1/2 as bright as my older phones (Evo, etc.). Even at 100% brightness,
white is not white, it is grey/light brown and the battery only lasts a few hours.
Very sad, I wish we could do something about this. And if you look closely,
a lot of colors are really a color with a grid pattern all over it. I am 47 and my
eyes are not that great, but pentile still sucks IMO, no matter how much
review sites rave about the great screen (yah it is big and crisp), but it
still is a dim sucky screen.
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So we have a great phone with a horrible screen brightness problem.
Samsung touts its great battery life, (well yah with a dim screen).
I find I must always use 100% brightness setting to make the screen
even 1/2 as bright as my older phones (Evo, etc.). Even at 100% brightness,
white is not white, it is grey/light brown and the battery only lasts a few hours.
Very sad, I wish we could do something about this. And if you look closely,
a lot of colors are really a color with a grid pattern all over it. I am 47 and my
eyes are not that great, but pentile still sucks IMO, no matter how much
review sites rave about the great screen (yah it is big and crisp), but it
still is a dim sucky screen.
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thats why u go with the one x~~
since screen is the most importatn part of the phone you interact with, i chose to get the best screen on the market. however, i do envy ur battery life though.
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The battery of the GS3 is bigger than the One X.
What would be the difference between GS3 %100 brightness and 75% brightness HTC one X in terms of battery?
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The battery of the GS3 is bigger than the One X.
What would be the difference between GS3 %100 brightness and 75% brightness HTC one X in terms of battery?
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Actually the one x is really bright screen, and It could make some difference but only cause of the crazy over killing of apps
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The battery of the GS3 is bigger than the One X.
What would be the difference between GS3 %100 brightness and 75% brightness HTC one X in terms of battery?
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actually, s3 at full brighness is one x at around half, maybe 40 percent
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You can get like a 4300 to 4500 mah extended battery off ebay or amazon
with a back cover for like $20. Then the phone will last twice as long, more
than enough to cover a heavy day at 100% brightness. Plus it will make the
phone thicker, I can't stand how thin and delicate the GS3 is, it practically
slips out of your hand, they should have made the phone thicker with a
bigger battery to begin with (Droid Max).
Turn off auto adjust screen time option in the display settings to make your screen brighter. It'll make your whites better as well.
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You can get like a 4300 to 4500 mah extended battery off ebay or amazon
with a back cover for like $20. Then the phone will last twice as long, more
than enough to cover a heavy day at 100% brightness. Plus it will make the
phone thicker, I can't stand how thin and delicate the GS3 is, it practically
slips out of your hand, they should have made the phone thicker with a
bigger battery to begin with (Droid Max).
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In regards of battery, don't trust third party brands unless if they are authorized by the maker themselves. For batteries, third parties usuallly suck in many ways, in worst cases, overheating.
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Kevin Ma said:
actually, s3 at full brighness is one x at around half, maybe 40 percent
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I wouldn't go that far. I had my GS3 turned up to 100% earlier today and compared it to my sister's Evo 4G LTE, and it was practically the same brightness. I assumed her phone was set to around 50-60%, but when I checked her settings, it was set to 100%. Hers was a bit brighter, obviously, but they were a lot closer brightness-wise than I thought they'd be.
If you need your brightness at 100%, you may want to get your eyes checked. Also, which you might already be aware of this, Samsung roms have a brightness setting in the internet browser as well.
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hotstocks said:
So we have a great phone with a horrible screen brightness problem.
Samsung touts its great battery life, (well yah with a dim screen).
I find I must always use 100% brightness setting to make the screen
even 1/2 as bright as my older phones (Evo, etc.). Even at 100% brightness,
white is not white, it is grey/light brown and the battery only lasts a few hours.
Very sad, I wish we could do something about this. And if you look closely,
a lot of colors are really a color with a grid pattern all over it. I am 47 and my
eyes are not that great, but pentile still sucks IMO, no matter how much
review sites rave about the great screen (yah it is big and crisp), but it
still is a dim sucky screen.
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That is strange. I have not experienced this at all. I have both the GS3 and the original Evo and they seem about the same at 100%. The GS3 is, (to my eyes) easier to see because of the contrast. Meaning I feel like I can get away with setting the brightness to a lower setting without sacrificing readability. As for battery life I'm getting a consistent 14 hours with moderate to heavy use. (It's a new toy, I can't put it down.)
Hopefully you can compare your phone to another, see if they're any different.
I have mine at 75ish % the auto is pretty garbage. I can't wait till cm9/10.
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I don't need my eyes checked.
Forget about the whites not even being as white as the Evo.
Try a game like ShadowGun, even at 100% brightness the game
is dim and oversaturated colors. On the Evo the game is significantly
brighter and objects/details are easier seen, not everything is dark.
This phone gets GREAT blacks, but everything is darker because of it.
I had the HOX. **** phone. The screen on the SG3 is much better.
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I had the HOX. **** phone. The screen on the SG3 is much better.
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thats really one of the worst points u can ever bring up lol. the gs3 beats one x in a lotta areas, but definitely not screen Lol
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Just picked up an AT&T One M7, and wow, the screen temp is incredibly warm compared to my G2 and just about everything else I use with an LCD screen. Is there an app/rom/kernel (or any combo) out there that will back my screen away from the warm tint? Thanks!
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Just picked up an AT&T One M7, and wow, the screen temp is incredibly warm compared to my G2 and just about everything else I use with an LCD screen. Is there an app/rom/kernel (or any combo) out there that will back my screen away from the warm tint? Thanks!
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The warm tint is supposed to be correct and true to real life colors and what you actually see. Why would you want to stress your eyes by making the colors unnatural and harsh? I wish more companies would make their LCD's this way instead of the artificial over driven blinding harsh colors.
I calibrate my Nexus 5 with the SpyderGallery app. You just need a Spyder sensor... It isn't really a calibration in the operating system. But it will show the right colours opening images in the gallery of this app. This helps me when showing photos to my clients.
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The warm tint is supposed to be correct and true to real life colors and what you actually see. Why would you want to stress your eyes by making the colors unnatural and harsh? I wish more companies would make their LCD's this way instead of the artificial over driven blinding harsh colors.
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I wish manufacturers would give consumers the choice. Clearly there's a variance in panel manufacturing and factory calibrations, even from within the same display supplier. To me, warmer, yellow screens looks dingy and dirty, and not what my eyes are used to when reading web pages. So the warmer temperature may actually have the opposite effect on my reading comfort. Nokia has begun offering an in-OS setting on WP devices that helps correct minor variations - and I'd love to see other OEMs follow suit.