I've been using Llama for a while and really like it. Have been thinking about using Tasker instead and would like to ask people with experience of both:
What about Tasker makes it worthwhile to spend the $5 instead of using the free Llama?
I'd like to be convinced Descriptions of cool uses of Tasker that Llama is incapable of welcome
I use them both but prefer Tasker because of SMS actions. However, SMS integration is on Llama's to-do list.
So far I have tried ALL auto profile apps -- Locale I only had for 15 minutes bc I have tasker and it uses the locale plugins.
Tasker was hard as hell to get the hang of. But once it "clicked" , I was downright ASTOUNDED by what it can do.
I just got Llama, and I like it a lot...much easier than tasker. Some thigns I like better -- enter vs leaving a location etc. However, Tasker is MUCH more powerful and the gui - while difficult to use - is much more clear to see and operate.
If I had to only pick one ---- TASKER. While Llama has its advantages, tasker can do alot more. This also means much more room to screw something up. LOL.
Tasker is worth the money ...even if you end up not using it, just to know that your phone will to anything the way YOU WANT when YOU WANT how YOU WANT.
**** TASKER TIP*****
A profile is a list of "if's" - conditions to kick of a task.
A task is a list of actions -- I thought each needed many tasks but no --- a task itself has the many actions in it.
Smart bc then you can add or swap tasks as need be without having to remake them.
Also, I value tasker's SMS functions and If, then, Goto, else if etc action statements allowing loops etc.
I've just started using Llama myself after using Tasker for about a year. Llama is definitely more user-friendly in terms of building events and profiles. Tasker's learning curve is very steep by comparison.
However one advantage that I've found Tasker to have over Llama is that Tasker is a lot more aggressive when it comes to implementing its actions. When a condition is satisfied for a Tasker event, the actions kick in immediately. Whereas for Llama it can take a few minutes for it to even realise that a condition has occurred.
I've also found that some of Llama's actions don't always work properly, such as setting screen timeouts or brightness. For example, setting screen timeout to "Never" while on the browser only changes it to 1 minute. Or when a sound profile kicks in, looking into the audio settings shows that the volume hasn't actually been changed.
Of course Llama is free and you can't beat that in value for money. However Tasker is definitely more powerful and robust. There are pros and cons to each but if I had to pick I'd go with Tasker.
tl;dr - Llama is free and easy to use but doesn't always work. Tasker costs money and is complicated to learn but powerful and always works.
What about Actions Lite (free, 'Actions Pro' with cost) vs. Llama or Tasker? Any comment will be welcomed.
I'm playing for several days now with Llama and it is really flexible and supports and/or operations, queued events and many abilities that can help solve complex cases like 'leaving my home - start polling BT - if connected: I'm driving - set Driving profile, if not connected: set outdoor profile' etc. On the other hand its division between 'profile' (only sound related settings) and 'action' (consequence of events) is a bit annoying...
One of the most used features (for me...) is the 'unlock screen' (for driving and at home) but none of the SW I have tested (such as 'profiling' ones or designated ones) works well on my HTC One X, ICS, stock ROM or Charmeleon ROM (PKMN). Any suggestions?
I guess it depends on what kind of use you are going to do, i think llama is basic, just enough to silent your phone at home... But if you want to do something more complicated you should try tasker...
I use Tasker.This is the best apps for customize all system.I tryed Llama to,but not the same.
How about footprint? Tasker uses 18Mb ram. What's Llama's footprint?
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How about footprint? Tasker uses 18Mb ram. What's Llama's footprint?
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Llama is currently using 3.38MB on my phone.
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Llama is currently using 3.38MB on my phone.
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My Llama is running at just under 10MB
My Llama runs under 10MB as well.
I use Tasker. Best app.
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I've been using Llama for a while and really like it. Have been thinking about using Tasker instead and would like to ask people with experience of both:
What about Tasker makes it worthwhile to spend the $5 instead of using the free Llama?
I'd like to be convinced Descriptions of cool uses of Tasker that Llama is incapable of welcome
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probably cant turn off your keyguard on a certain wifi network if you dont use tasker
Having used both Tasker and Llama extensively (I would say 50 to 100 hours in each programming stuff) and having had both running my stuff at different time for over a year, I'd summarise them as follows:
Llama:
+ free
+ easy to learn
- functions a little limited although sufficient for most
Tasker
+ extremely powerful, far more functions
+ can export to make stand-alone apps
- steep learning curve
Summary/Advise:
If you're looking into Android automation, start with Llama to see can you do what you want. If you can't do it with Llama, then and only then move onto Tasker.
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probably cant turn off your keyguard on a certain wifi network if you dont use tasker
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You can do this with Llama, too.
oh you can? sorry i dont use llama so i didnt know for sure
Any one knows how to copy llama cell locations and use it in Tasker.. ?
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Any one knows how to copy llama cell locations and use it in Tasker.. ?
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I'd love to know how to do this too.
Alternatively, has anyone been able to send Android intents between the two and have them work together? This would be quite useful in my opinion.
is it possible to add conditions with Tasker?
I have been using Llama for months now and I love it. But it is true, sometimes, the actions don't run immediately after a condition is met.
I wanted to try Tasker, what I did. It is far more difficult to use!
Also, I don't know how to/if it is possible to set several condition to fire an action, what is easy to do with Llama.
For example, I want my phone to ring instead of vibrate when I am home between 9am and 11pm. So there are actually 2 conditions : time and location.
How do you do that with Tasker?
Also, is there a way to create a condition when you leave a location (which can also be done with Llama)
Thanks for your answers
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For example, I want my phone to ring instead of vibrate when I am home between 9am and 11pm. So there are actually 2 conditions : time and location.
How do you do that with Tasker?
Also, is there a way to create a condition when you leave a location (which can also be done with Llama)
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Both are doable in Tasker. A context in Tasker can have more than one condition. One condition for a given context can be a time-based condition (say, between 9am and 11pm), and the other can be based on location. Just add more than one condition to a given context.
As for entering and leaving a location, you can do that with an enter and exit condition for a given Tasker context.
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Hi, I went out and bought one last night. Great looking phone, quite impressed.
On all my wm phones I have ran a profile management software that has a timed profile switcher. I tried PhoneAlarm SP which is great, but I realised there's no easy way to manually switch profiles whilst using the HTC home screen. I could use the inbuilt profiles, but that doesnt give me the automatic timed switch.
Anybody know any programs that will use the inbuilt profiles but add on the timed functionilty?
CTScheduler? I use their alarm master, and i love it (since two alarms just is never enough). CTScheduler does a lot more than just switching profiles, but maybe its still of use for you.
link: http://www.connectivetools.com/ctscheduler.html
actually, if u dont want the bulk of the stuff the main prog can do, u could also just use the lite version (only profile switching and timed start of programs). this one is free...
http://www.connectivetools.com/ctschedulerlt.html
Thanks for that. Will give that a try, does that give timed profiles? i.e. switch between profiles at certain times during the day?
WMS standard profiles have special "Automatic" profile, which switched between profiles based on your calendar appointments. I haven't used it though, so couldn't comment on how well it works.
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WMS standard profiles have special "Automatic" profile, which switched between profiles based on your calendar appointments. I haven't used it though, so couldn't comment on how well it works.
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I used this a lot on my old S710 and now on my S740 and this works really well as long as your calendar is a true reflection of what you are doing.
Where it really works well is where you go into a meeting, you don't need to worry about switching your phone to silent as it does it for you.
I want to record a macro to setup my GPS apps without hitting multiple buttons. Anything out there to use?
Tasker in the marketplace can automate typical function (ie, power gps on/off when app launches) but it cannot record macros to manipulate the functions of a specific app. I've never heard of anything like that.
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Tasker in the marketplace can automate typical function (ie, power gps on/off when app launches) but it cannot record macros to manipulate the functions of a specific app. I've never heard of anything like that.
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I was ready to buy tasker but wanted to wait until I heard something one way or another on this thread. Thanks for the heads up.
If you're on the fence about tasker there is a 7 day trial apk from the dev's website
http://tasker.dinglisch.net/
It's absolutely worth it in my opinion.
Check out this thread for instructions on how to lock the gtab when a case is closed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1155144
Didn't want to post this in the dev section but this app seems extremely useful and I was curious if there was any way of extracting it for use on other android devices?
That would be very darn useful for everyone.
I'm using tasker . . . you can do alot of creative stuff with it, but it is kinda complicated and costs ~$6
mel493 said:
I'm using tasker . . . you can do alot of creative stuff with it, but it is kinda complicated and costs ~$6
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I have tasker as well but in general I dont find it super user friendly. From the looks of it Smart Action could replace tasker as well as juice defender which I also use.
I've already made one for home, work and when I go to bed. It seems pretty user friendly to me. Excellent app.
Heh, even if someone extracts it, it needs Blur libraries and frameworks, too.
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Heh, even if someone extracts it, it needs Blur libraries and frameworks, too.
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I've seen harder things get ported on xda just needs willing developers
I haven't really had a look at this Smart Action App yet as I still haven't received my microsim. I was wondering how sophisticated it is?
Is it possible to have it read sms when connected to bluetooth, for example? I attempted this with Tasker on my Defy with no success - I don't think Tasker liked MIUI very much
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I haven't really had a look at this Smart Action App yet as I still haven't received my microsim. I was wondering how sophisticated it is?
Is it possible to have it read sms when connected to bluetooth, for example? I attempted this with Tasker on my Defy with no success - I don't think Tasker liked MIUI very much
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Tasker does many things but in terms of doing things you need to know the proper terms for the various variables etc for what you want to do which isnt too simple
Here are some premade ones you can download or make but none for what you wanted
http://tasker.wikidot.com/profile-index
As an example of how complicated it can get with tasker is the following. How to make a battery full notification.As you can see the app lets you do allot but is not super user friendly. Smart Action may not be able to do all that tasker is able to but may be able to do most and may be more user friendly
click New and select Event
select event category Power and event Battery Full
click Done
click + in the bottom left to add an action
select category Alert and action Notify (Sound)
type Battery Full! in the Title field
click Done
To avoid getting a repeat notification within 30 minutes, we add a cooldown:
Click on the profile and select Profile Properties
Slide the Cooldown Time slider to the far right
Click Done
Alternative solution to avoid repeat notifications (added by b00ky)
Set a variable such as "%BFN" to 0 anytime you plug in your phone
Edit the "Notify Sound" task to only run "If %BFN < 0"
Add a new task "Tasker » Variable Set » %BFN to 1"
This has worked for me and makes sure you only get notified ONCE while it is plugged in as opposed to after 30 minutes of cooldown.
I'm new to this so I apologize if this is not a good way to do this, but it works for me.
An alternative to the alternative to avoid repeat notifications. If you tend to leave plugged in for long durations, 30 minute cool down may not do it for you. The below gives you a one time notification that your battery is full, and wont repeat until you unplug/replug back in. phonedude
Profile - Battery 100%
Event - Battery Full
Enter task -
1. Play your sound
2. Set Profile Status {Battery 100%} to Off
Exit task-
n.a.
Profile - Plugged In
State - Power (Source = Any)
Enter task -
1. Profile Status {Battery 100%} to On
Exit task-
1. Profile Status {Battery 100%} to Off
Thanks for that fidorulz! Much appreciated. I notice on that site that the guy tried to get the read SMS to work and failed, tried again and got it working but doesn't know how!
http://tasker.wikidot.com/readsmswhileincardock
I found a walk through on here that would not work either and I assumed it was because of MIUI, as Tasker didn't register any SMS being received. It seems that the %SMSRF and %SMSRB variables only get initialised when an SMS is received.
I will patiently wait for tmobile and the royal mail to get their fingers out and deliver my microsim and I will give it another go
I use "Setting Profiles" pretty simple and powerful, a lot easier to use than tasker (although not quite as powerful in the nitty-gritty) but definitely hits the 80/20 rule. It costs, but I believe there is a free version to try out the functionality and see how you like it.
I'm looking for a way to use data from Torque in Tasker.
I want to take data from torque and use it to drive actions in Tasker. Specifically, I'd like to turn the screen on when the engine comes on. Is anyone aware of previous work done in this area that might get me started? Or, would I need to code a Tasker plugin?
I'm aware I could accomplish this using ACC power as the on/off flag, but I'd like to charge the tablet at all times and not just when the car is running.
I know this is an old post but I'm interested in this same thing. My goal is to actually get intake air temperatures onto my pebble watch by passing them from Torque to Tasker and finally to the Pebble.
Hi, so still nothing new *push*
I'd also like to integrate Torque variables into Tasker very much. E.g. disabling the security keyguard as long as the motor is running, enable security when the motor is off. (So you can leave your phone in the car with others whilst refueling...
Any ideas?
Torque and AIDL interface
hunchi said:
Hi, so still nothing new *push*
I'd also like to integrate Torque variables into Tasker very much. E.g. disabling the security keyguard as long as the motor is running, enable security when the motor is off. (So you can leave your phone in the car with others whilst refueling...
Any ideas?
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You'll need to use the AIDL 'api' interface that Torque supports to talk to it. Sensors information is retrieved only when it is asked for (and if the data was broadcast over intents, android would probably go slow when you're doing upwards of 100sensors/second refresh rates)
The AIDL interface will be the way forwards to get what you want though (then you can do with it what you want in terms of rebroadcasting if you want) - there's some information on it on here: http://torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpforumaction=viewtopic&t=438.0 which should be enough to get people started
Tasker plugin for Torque Pro
Is anyone working on this? It would be very useful to be able to have Tasker monitor Torque variables and be able to perform actions based on their values.
iraf said:
Is anyone working on this? It would be very useful to be able to have Tasker monitor Torque variables and be able to perform actions based on their values.
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I've been able to do this following some disperse advice from the web.
Torque
As you see, Torque is able to write a CSV file with selected parameters. All that it basically does is to add a line at the end of that file listing those parameters values. In its settings you can change the frequency of modifications to that file. In my device this file is stored at /storage/emulated/0/torqueLogs/trackLog.csv.
Tasker
Once in Tasker you should set a profile to act on each change done by Torque to it. I've found the profile to be Event > File Modified and to retrieve those parameters inside the file, set up a task that runs the following Shell Command:
tail -1 /storage/emulated/0/torqueLogs/trackLog.csv
This retrieve the last line of the file and stores the output inside a variable. I called it %OBDLOG. A second action inside this task splits this Comma Separated Values (CSV) from that last line using the action Variable Split, and the separator ",". This creates N variables named %OBDLOGN. Example: %OBDLOG1, %OBDLOG2, %OBDLOG3...
Done that, we have to check which value corresponds to the parameter we want.
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You might want to clean this file once it reaches a specific size.
I've done this so that I can say commands through Bluetooth usingTasker Plugin AutoVoice. You can check the logic used by me to say the Coolant Temperature once it reaches 70ºC in the attached image.
Sorry not to be able to link outside. XDA prevents me as I'm a newbie! hehe
Cheers!
I'm having trouble finding the trackLog.csv file. I have files in the .torque folder on my sdcard but what options in logging do you have to enable to generate loss in the torqueLogs folder?
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Very interesting !!!!
Can you detail all the steps please ?
thanks
Just set up something similar. Setup torque as describer by "dirceucorsetti" above, except I dont use "log rotation".
Below is for tasker.
Profile: Torque
State-Net-BT Near
Name-find your OBD adapter in the list
Min uses regular old BT, so I had to check "Standard Devices"
Enter Task:Start Torque
Exit Task: Stop Torque
Task: Start Torque
App-Launch App-Torque
Task: Stop Torque
Misc-Send-Intent
Action-org.prowl.torque.REQUEST_TORQUE_QUIT
Package-org.prowl.torque
Script-Run Shell
Command- tail -1/storage/emulated/0/torqueLogs/trackLog.csv
Store output in- %OBDLOG
Net-Compose Email
Recipient - your email
Subject - TorqueLog - %DATE
Message-%OBDLOG
File-Delete File
File- torqueLogs/trackLog.csv
Of course you could send the file anywhere. I just wanted to share how I start and stop torque automatically. That seemed to always be the issue.
Interestingly I can also start Waze in this task. I could never figure out how to get taker to detect when I was driving. Until I remembered the OBD adapter.
good info! I started googling about tasker and torque integration not really expecting much result. I want to build a custom interface to run on my in-dash nexus7 that reflects some of the torque info/stats. Thats a good start!
Also found this listing of torque intents and data it logs.
http://torque-bhp.com/wiki/PluginDocumentation
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good info! I started googling about tasker and torque integration not really expecting much result. I want to build a custom interface to run on my in-dash nexus7 that reflects some of the torque info/stats. Thats a good start!
Also found this listing of torque intents and data it logs.
http://torque-bhp.com/wiki/PluginDocumentation
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Not exactly on topic, but do you guys have any idea how to launch a torque plugin from tasker? I'd love to get my racing dash to launch automatically, but I cant seem to figure out how to make that happen.
I would like to see an actual plugin for torque. Just starting to work with it. Would like to use utter to announce things. And autovoice to ask it questions. Never can get torque to tell me its at operating temp. Also looking for any more creative ideas from people. This could be fun.
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Getting error "sh: <stdin>[2]: tail: not found" under variables
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Installed busy box. Forgot since I installed android L. And file was /sdcard/torquelogs.
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Back at it after updating tablet to "m". I have my 9 variables I want and that keep refreshing. But after I rename them it just replaces it and the renamed variable says at the same number. What am I missing. Also had to change "tail -1" to "tail -n 1" for it to read last line.
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Is Tasker able to do this?
I'm just delving into Tasker from Llama (not as many features as I'd like), so I'm not yet at the point where I know how to set these up in Tasker to see if it has the ability to do so.
Thanks in advance for a clue...........
Yes.
You will want to create widgets to trigger the profiles, or use something like nfc task launcher and tags, or both.
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Yes.
You will want to create widgets to trigger the profiles, or use something like nfc task launcher and tags, or both.
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I was going to have it launch via Location and time constraints. If I ever figure out how to get that far. Tasker is a bit daunting.
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I was going to have it launch via Location and time constraints. If I ever figure out how to get that far. Tasker is a bit daunting.
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Hang in there. Tasker gets easier the more you use it. It can be daunting to start. The Google Groups Tasker forum is the best place to get specific answers/how to's.
You can definitely have tasker automate changing volume profiles (and many other things) based on location, but you probably don't want to use GPS (it would have to continually check your gps which is a batter drainer). When it comes to location without GPS (ie Cell Signals), llama is actually a little better than tasker at that one specific thing. Since you can trigger a tasker task with llama, I'd suggest using llama to trigger based on location and then build the time constraints and things into Tasker into the Task.
To get your started, your first several task will have time IF states.
Task 1: Go to #4 IF between certain times
Task 2: Go to #8 If between certain times
etc.
With tasker there are usually several different ways to accomplish the same thing - that's where the Google Group comes in handy.
If you're not happy with the way location triggers profiles, then maybe give NFC Tags a try.
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Hang in there. Tasker gets easier the more you use it. It can be daunting to start. The Google Groups Tasker forum is the best place to get specific answers/how to's.
You can definitely have tasker automate changing volume profiles (and many other things) based on location, but you probably don't want to use GPS (it would have to continually check your gps which is a batter drainer). When it comes to location without GPS (ie Cell Signals), llama is actually a little better than tasker at that one specific thing. Since you can trigger a tasker task with llama, I'd suggest using llama to trigger based on location and then build the time constraints and things into Tasker into the Task.
To get your started, your first several task will have time IF states.
Task 1: Go to #4 IF between certain times
Task 2: Go to #8 If between certain times
etc.
With tasker there are usually several different ways to accomplish the same thing - that's where the Google Group comes in handy.
If you're not happy with the way location triggers profiles, then maybe give NFC Tags a try.
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I have gotten some profiles and tasks accomplished and do agree that Llama handles locations MUCH better than Tasker does. I did not know that Llama would read Tasker tasks, so I may give that a go. I really didn't want both apps, tho, because then both will have to run.
hollywoodfrodo said:
Hang in there. Tasker gets easier the more you use it. It can be daunting to start. The Google Groups Tasker forum is the best place to get specific answers/how to's.
You can definitely have tasker automate changing volume profiles (and many other things) based on location, but you probably don't want to use GPS (it would have to continually check your gps which is a batter drainer). When it comes to location without GPS (ie Cell Signals), llama is actually a little better than tasker at that one specific thing. Since you can trigger a tasker task with llama, I'd suggest using llama to trigger based on location and then build the time constraints and things into Tasker into the Task.
To get your started, your first several task will have time IF states.
Task 1: Go to #4 IF between certain times
Task 2: Go to #8 If between certain times
etc.
With tasker there are usually several different ways to accomplish the same thing - that's where the Google Group comes in handy.
If you're not happy with the way location triggers profiles, then maybe give NFC Tags a try.
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I see that you can create apps from Tasker, and I'm assuming that's how you can get it to interface with Llama.
I've done this with a task for home which changes some volume settings, turns off pattern lock, turns off keyguard and turns off GPS, which come from the Secure Settings plugin.
Llama does not execute these tasks even though the app that I made from this task clearly contains them.
Is Llama not able of doing these because they are governed by Secure Settings?
Even though I joined the Tasker Google Group, it seems I cannot post a new topic to ask this question there. *sigh*