Hi.
This is my first post on xda, and I am hoping to learn a lot whilst I am here.
I am not expecting any help here, but there has been small hype about getting android onto this phone. And I understand that you may be critical about noobs like me expecting an easy fix from you.
I appreciate that the idea makes no sense from many perspectives, this is mine.
I purchased the windows 7 phone 3 months ago, I was a complete idiot and fell for the sales pitch, the salesman promised me the earth, he said I would be able to WiFi Tether on the next update, he told me it would be better then the android evo 4 that I wanted.
As you are probably aware, I am a complete fool. I have however spent many hours on the phone with a certain mobile phone outlett, and my provider, neither will help. And I am stuck with the phone till 2013.
The phone's buyback price has gone down to 1/3rd what it was on the day I bought the phone.
I have now made it my mission to get this phone to run android. I feel so strongly I may even remove the windows logo from the bottom of my touch-screen.
I have already researched some, and expect days more research before I'll be able to do, whatever it is I need to do.
I am and will be keeping a log, of all my research, and hopefully can use what I learn to help people out later on.
So....
Any comments, or questions or support?
CleverNoob
I have picked up a few things. And therefore want to clarify,
I don't want to dual boot the 2 OS's, I want to REMOVE windows 7 and replace it with Android.
From what I gather this means I need to develop an android ROM to work with the mozart, and then Flash it to the phone...?
So my logical mind tells me to look for the android ROM that works on the most similar spec phone.
I am however aware that the firmware or something is different in the mozart, from the HD7 and does not allow for certain android commands to work, therefore the ROM (gingerbread?) used on the HD7 will not be remotely compatible with the HD7?
It seems that there may be a few options for the actual flashing of the ROM already available... So I am going to concentrate on learning more about ROM development now.
If anyone wants to correct me, point me in the right direction, or hurl abuse at me... feel free to do so
I do not know all that much about ROM development.
What about drivers though? Sure it is fine for the chipset as there are Android devices with the same chipset (CPU and GPU)... Although the WiFi, bluetooth, radio etc. I guess it's built into the SoC?
Drivers for the screen, capacitive buttons, camera etc?
I think if you look around, you should be able to find a phone similar to htc mozart and the name which comes to my mind is Nexus one and htc desire...
Although it depends on you that you extract drivers from the OS of both of those android based phones then extract drivers from your mozart and compare if they have same chipset....
I really wonder if it's possible to do all this virtually instead of physically installing OSes on phones for development purposes.
You didnt give up did ya mate!
All of the Australia Telstra Community who got Conned into buying the Mozart over an iPhone due to This Service Provider not having a Contract with Apple are 'root'ing for your Success
just checking if i got it right...
you want android in the mozart just to enable wifi tethering.
well, FYI, its been done and done bro, just unlock your device and install any of the excellent custom ROMs here. my notebook is tethered to my mozart right now.
but if you want to further explore the capabilities of the hardware, no worries- many good samaritans are already doing that. explore the development forums here and thy shall learn!
take care!
Tethering is working now, even with Telstra and no unlocking (7720).
This is my first post too! I was about to post something like yours. I have an HTC Mozart too and I want to install an Android ROM on it though my reasons are different.
As a software developer I have no experience about ROM development but I'm very interested.
So what did you do until now? Any success?
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Wow, just wait for genius chef if they can make this device capable of running android. Not sure how can we invite them to start working on this.
Can we all make a combined request to great chefs of Android as they made it possible for HD2 so nothing is impossible for them.
I have to ask: why would we possibly want Android when we have WP7? Surely we would all have bought Nexus S' if we wanted Android :S
Wrong answer.
This is the "Because we can" argument. It's a waste of time. I've been following Android on the HTC diamond and It's not practical purely down to the power management. It just sucks the battery down to nothing after 20 minutes.
djfuego said:
This is the "Because we can" argument. It's a waste of time. I've been following Android on the HTC diamond and It's not practical purely down to the power management. It just sucks the battery down to nothing after 20 minutes.
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Since this phone uses android like hardware that could maybe not be the thing on the mozart, but even so.
I totally agree that it is a waste of time
I want to see Android!! I was not able to purchase the HTC Desire HD... this was the best i could get. So why not have the option to play around....
.....*Sigh*
even if you do get android on the Mozart. Do you honestly think Microsoft will let you use the live functions on it after you have. It won't surprise me if you get an xbox live ban if you piss around with this generation of phones.
I want a phone that can duel boot WP7 and Androd.
djfuego said:
even if you do get android on the Mozart. Do you honestly think Microsoft will let you use the live functions on it after you have. It won't surprise me if you get an xbox live ban if you piss around with this generation of phones.
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i don't really care about what M$ will limit me on... i don't use xbox live anyway... just want android.
ds4 said:
i don't really care about what M$ will limit me on... i don't use xbox live anyway... just want android.
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Then why the hell did you buy a WP7 phone?! And just so that you know, "M$" went out of fashion like 10 years ago, and just makes you seem like a bit of a stuck up idiot.
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... just want android.
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...well, I guess this is reason enough to go buying a WP7 phone and trolling in a forum on how great it would be to have Android on the WP7.
Just a thought: it might seem stupid to you and the answer might even be obvious to everyone but me, but why didn't you buy an Android phone to start with?
- You'd then have an Android device right now
- Would not lose your warranty when you use Android (as you most likely will on WP7 as it will require unlocking or flashing)
- Would not be limited by Microsoft in any way
So maybe I'm missing some point here, but feel free to enlighten me
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...well, I guess this is reason enough to go buying a WP7 phone and trolling in a forum on how great it would be to have Android on the WP7.
Just a thought: it might seem stupid to you and the answer might even be obvious to everyone but me, but why didn't you buy an Android phone to start with?
- You'd then have an Android device right now
- Would not lose your warranty when you use Android (as you most likely will on WP7 as it will require unlocking or flashing)
- Would not be limited by Microsoft in any way
So maybe I'm missing some point here, but feel free to enlighten me
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Well, I have no doubt on your opinion, in fact most of the people would have same opinion, Don't you think its a very simple thing that one can't miss, if we want android then go and buy android,
but according to me there are two ways to live life, one simplest way and second to go beyond limit and do something different.
if we buy android then there is near to impossible to enjoy windows 7 but if we have wp7 then there is possibility to enjoy android and that's in bl** single device wow. no need to have two sim two phone to enjoy life.
After all that's my desire that One day Chef will come and listen to us.
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even if you do get android on the Mozart. Do you honestly think Microsoft will let you use the live functions on it after you have. It won't surprise me if you get an xbox live ban if you piss around with this generation of phones.
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I think he means like MAGLDR on Mozart = DUAL BOOT Android and WP7. Or quadruple boot WM6, WM7, Ubuntu, Android as I am doing here on my HD2 which works on LIVE and Marketplace ACTIVE as a HD7.
Android on mozart would be interesting. Reasonably easy to do once bit more work with ansar's work and his spl upgrade/hack maybe (global branding removal) + htc rom image editor etc and debug. It will happen.
Older phones as mentioned in this thread+droid=sux. HD2+Android (espeially Magldr+Darkstone SUPER-NAND RAM-build on Nand=AMAZING).
But yes- it is EASY to get around LIVE activation: read HD2 threads: and no Magldr 1.12 loads a simulacrum SPL for WP7 from nand yaffs which straps WP7 partitions so there is no real way that Microsoft can lock your phone down. Its LIVE!
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I think he means like MAGLDR on Mozart = DUAL BOOT Android and WP7. Or quadruple boot WM6, WM7, Ubuntu, Android as I am doing here on my HD2 which works on LIVE and Marketplace ACTIVE as a HD7.
Android on mozart would be interesting. Reasonably easy to do once bit more work with ansar's work and his spl upgrade/hack maybe (global branding removal) + htc rom image editor etc and debug. It will happen.
Older phones as mentioned in this thread+droid=sux. HD2+Android (espeially Magldr+Darkstone SUPER-NAND RAM-build on Nand=AMAZING).
But yes- it is EASY to get around LIVE activation: read HD2 threads: and no Magldr 1.12 loads a simulacrum SPL for WP7 from nand yaffs which straps WP7 partitions so there is no real way that Microsoft can lock your phone down. Its LIVE!
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you are wrong..... Microsoft will know which phone been modified from HD2 by using hardware id..... muahahaha.... you are using illegal OS....
Afaik Mozart is the only handset with a 1ghz+ CPU and a Xenon flash that is "potentially" capable of running android, that fact alone makes it worth modding on imo. Would be fun to see if someone got it working, but right now I'm hoping the motoroi 2 will come out soon =)
Edit: And about legality - many countries (like norway) have laws that forbid EULAs that restrict using other software on your hardware, effectively nullifying that concern
im looking for experiment like this, run android on mozart or any wp7 phone.
Would be great, but i think there isn't a big community for Mozart 7, and special for Android on Mozart
can someone explain me how easy would it be done if this tool from DFT is now out?
HSPL / RSPL for HTC WP7 First Generation
can someone explain me how easy would it be done if this tool from DFT is now out?
HSPL / RSPL for HTC WP7 First Generation
djfuego said:
even if you do get android on the Mozart. Do you honestly think Microsoft will let you use the live functions on it after you have. It won't surprise me if you get an xbox live ban if you piss around with this generation of phones.
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your live id is stored in the phones registry
If you are running androind there is no access to that
How could microsoft ban you, magic?
Running androind i would have thought it's pretty clear you wont have access to live functions
but aside from that.
Running custom roms are 'fun' and it's why these forums exist
Why is it that there isn't just one version of android that will install on all phones? I mean, you can install windows on any pc regardless of spec and it automatically finds drivers for internal parts and makes them work? why can't this be done for android? would be miles easy for developers if you could just take a rom from say a dell streak and put it on say a galaxy s and vice versa, seems ****ing retarded to me that this isn't the case with android? Love my streak and android as a whole, but would be so much easier if the updates were dependant on the companies that made the phone and were just dependent on when google updates the software!!
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Why is it that there isn't just one version of android that will install on all phones? I mean, you can install windows on any pc regardless of spec and it automatically finds drivers for internal parts and makes them work? why can't this be done for android? would be miles easy for developers if you could just take a rom from say a dell streak and put it on say a galaxy s and vice versa, seems ****ing retarded to me that this isn't the case with android? Love my streak and android as a whole, but would be so much easier if the updates were dependant on the companies that made the phone and were just dependent on when google updates the software!!
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Haha, first of all, are you genuinely serious? I loved the os of the ps3 why cant I have that on my xbox 360, come on mate, really. If that was the case, then we would probably just need 1 type of phone with every release of android software, example iphone.
Android allows people to have a nice choice of phones from different manufacturers.
I personally, think android is 10 times better than any other simply because of the control the users have, we can purchase an android phone and customize the hell out of it to our liking, yet you have no choice to jailbreak an iphone to have half the options android users get out the box.
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Yes in a perfect world that would work, "one OS for any phone" but the truth of the matter is that it is a driver issue, and manufacturers want to make a profit. There are too many different manufacturers of components and not all of them are compatible with each other, get out dated or don't meet recommended minimal specs. Example is trying to put Windows 7 on a P2 machine. Maybe it will install, but you are not going to get much if any of the benefits of the new OS. Or if you put win 7 on a Mac. Sure it will work, but it is not going to be on a machine that it was designed to run on spec wise. Believe me, I wish it was that simple, but unfortunately it is not. We can dream though.
It has a lot to do with the drivers, unless every phone was identical internally (or each generation identical internally) there are no drivers for that specific device.
PCs are much more standardized when it comes to hardware working with drivers. Most important components like video/audio/ I/O have standard fallback modes and their specific drivers. That's why you can install windows or linux or whatever on a system and at least expect it to boot and most of the stuff to work. They have generic drivers that will do the minimum required for it to function, but not much more.
From a user perspective drivers are much more diffucult with regards to *nix then with windows, this is especially true with regards to android (as it uses the linux kernel)
Windows has standardized (as in they have published the specs and adhere to it) driver frameworks and spend a good deal of testing time making sure 3rd party drivers will remain reasonably compatable. Usually it goes smoothly enough when releasing a new standard, when it goes bad you get what happened with vista where the drivers were the main cause of instability. Most of the time you can use drivers written for win 95 on win7 x86 and there's still a fair chance it might STILL work depending on how well the driver was written (this is a gross oversimplification, there's an entire class of win 9x drivers that wont work, but the other class will).
With linux driver compability is much less clear cut, many important drivers are available as source, and it's very possible (but requires a fair deal of planning ahead) to build a pc and only use source code drivers.
If something is only available as binary drivers you're at the mercy of the manufacturer to keep it updated and working.
This is why android is so difficult to roll out timely updates. The kernels in 2.2 are very different from 2.3/3.x and rewriting the drivers for it is what accounts for ~90% of the work (assuming your device is powerful enough to update in the first place)
The full driver sourcecode isnt often made available for android devices, so you either have to spend time writing your own or attempting to adapt the binary drivers to make it work. This is what is happening with streakdroid 2.x
The other critical point is that the bootloader must be willing to load 3rd party code.
There's a fair amount of devices that have had android ported to them because they were:
1) Able to load 3rd party code (either by hacking the bootloader or it allowing it on it's own)
2) They either had comparable drivers or were willing/able to write their own
3) There were enough devs to take the time to accomplish this in the first place
4) Android is open source so it's possible to write your own drivers in the first place (techinally all you might need is the driver sdk, but no mobile os has only a driver sdk available, it's either all or nothing)
Being open source has absolutely nothing to do with being able to install it on any device.
Winmo 6.5 is closed source (sorta, it's somewhat like shared-source) but it's just as easy to port over. But there's little to no interest to porting it to new devices.
Win8/arm might be like how windows is on the pc IF they keep drivers the way they are. If ms decides to incorporate them the way linux does it wont be any different then what android is experiencing now (though it's kinda unlikely, windows has always loaded drivers as seperate modules, and they're likely actively paying attention to that with win8)
I will just add that in my very humble opinion the OP wasnt by NO MEANS asking a dumb question (and it would rule to have standardized drivers for phones)
(and btw, great writeup manii. this might as well fit in some android related blog.)
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Haha, first of all, are you genuinely serious? I loved the os of the ps3 why cant I have that on my xbox 360, come on mate, really. If that was the case, then we would probably just need 1 type of phone with every release of android software, example iphone.
Android allows people to have a nice choice of phones from different manufacturers.
I personally, think android is 10 times better than any other simply because of the control the users have, we can purchase an android phone and customize the hell out of it to our liking, yet you have no choice to jailbreak an iphone to have half the options android users get out the box.
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O M G!!! android fanboys!! your worst than apple fanboys, when did I even mention the iphone or what makes android so good? or installing other peoples software on to other hardware, I'm only talking about android and its phones you turn everything into android is better than ios blah blah blah blah blah!! Shut the **** up and go to another thread!!
The other people in the thread, yeah I kinda knew it was down to driver issues, but I didn't think it was that complex. Android imo is the best os I've ever experience in my life, even better than windows 7. But for me, I actually think the only 1 draw back the os has, is the fragmentation of the updates. Is this possiblity of one android os to work on all android phones, so you can just download the update.pkg from google and just install it on any android phone, or is this something that was never intended and because of how its developed its to late to go back and change this? or is it something google has in the pipeline?
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O M G!!! android fanboys!! your worst than apple fanboys, when did I even mention the iphone or what makes android so good? or installing other peoples software on to other hardware, I'm only talking about android and its phones you turn everything into android is better than ios blah blah blah blah blah!! Shut the **** up and go to another thread!!
The other people in the thread, yeah I kinda knew it was down to driver issues, but I didn't think it was that complex. Android imo is the best os I've ever experience in my life, even better than windows 7. But for me, I actually think the only 1 draw back the os has, is the fragmentation of the updates. Is this possiblity of one android os to work on all android phones, so you can just download the update.pkg from google and just install it on any android phone, or is this something that was never intended and because of how its developed its to late to go back and change this? or is it something google has in the pipeline?
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Well I am glad Alexander cleard that up. I totally see now tht he was referring to one android update for all "android" phones. Which in theory, would be nice and possibe be the solution to so mny segmented releases.
Android fanboy?? Grow up, first of all I wont as you say **** off to another thread, you didnt get my point, but thats ok I can tell by your answer and generally by your original question that your not that bright, thats ok buddy.
I own an iphone 4, to run apples os I have to own an apple product (the phone) which for me is too small, I would like a bigger screen, so im stuck.
With android different manafacturers are in competition for what the people want and offer a huge variety of phones. Yes its a bit of a pain in the arse to install custom roms on them but once you know how its pretty easy.
At the end of the day to have one os that would go on any phone would be nice but then really whats the point in having a whole bunch of different phones. I like the way android is, I own as I said a earlier an iphone 4 and a dell streak, I find myself using the dell more, simply because I can make it my own.
Also ....me fanboy, you said you like android better than windows...the most popular os al over yhe world.
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Well I am glad Alexander cleard that up. I totally see now tht he was referring to one android update for all "android" phones. Which in theory, would be nice and possibe be the solution to so mny segmented releases.
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Yeah I know, coming from having the dell streak, and only having one upgrade while I've had the phone, I just can't understand why phone manufacturers go to all this trouble creating there own version of android when they could easily outsource this part of the phone to Google. I'm sure it would also make it easier for app developers to make there app work on all android phones. Seems so strange to me growing up with windows and being able to just buy a new pc and just get your windows cd out and bosh on windows, and it works. Does anyone know if this will ever happen or do the phone manufacturers want to have there own version of android, so they can fill it with there own apps?
To me even if they did still want there own versions of android, they should still give you the option of returning to stock android and just going to google for the update.
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Android fanboy?? Grow up, first of all I wont as you say **** off to another thread, you didnt get my point, but thats ok I can tell by your answer and generally by your original question that your not that bright, thats ok buddy.
I own an iphone 4, to run apples os I have to own an apple product (the phone) which for me is too small, I would like a bigger screen, so im stuck.
With android different manafacturers are in competition for what the people want and offer a huge variety of phones. Yes its a bit of a pain in the arse to install custom roms on them but once you know how its pretty easy.
At the end of the day to have one os that would go on any phone would be nice but then really whats the point in having a whole bunch of different phones. I like the way android is, I own as I said a earlier an iphone 4 and a dell streak, I find myself using the dell more, simply because I can make it my own.
Also ....me fanboy, you said you like android better than windows...the most popular os al over yhe world.
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Your saying I'm not bright, but your comment to my original question had no relevance to what I was asking at all, you didn't even slightly attempt to answer what I had asked.
Im usually never an early adopter on a phone, let alone a new OS. Are we likely to see any custom ROMs for the 920? I havent seen any for any Windows 8 Phones yet. Im guessing this is just because its still a month old OS?
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Im usually never an early adopter on a phone, let alone a new OS. Are we likely to see any custom ROMs for the 920? I havent seen any for any Windows 8 Phones yet. Im guessing this is just because its still a month old OS?
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hmm. my opinion...doubtful. maybe the other windows phone like htc 8x will. i had the nokia 900 before but returned it because it lacked development. i guess its too early to tell since its fairly new. that is why im still waiting a lil longer before opting to get the note2. i want to switch to a windows phone since im planning to get a windows hybrid laptop/tablet that will pair nicely with a windows phone device. anywayz, doubtful is just my opinion, and i hope i will be proven wrong.
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hmm. my opinion...doubtful. maybe the other windows phone like htc 8x will. i had the nokia 900 before but returned it because it lacked development. i guess its too early to tell since its fairly new. that is why im still waiting a lil longer before opting to get the note2. i want to switch to a windows phone since im planning to get a windows hybrid laptop/tablet that will pair nicely with a windows phone device. anywayz, doubtful is just my opinion, and i hope i will be proven wrong.
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I would think, one of if not THE most popular Windows 8 phone so far, would get a lot of attention of custom dev type people. But so far, it appears not. Is it that Nokia phones are just too hard to deal with so they stick with HTC, Samsung?
Looking at the Dev page for the 920 and theres not much activity at all. Love the phone and the OS, but custom stuff just really makes it so much better. Especially when you have a hard headed company like MS, that keeps many things on lock down, its always been nice in the past to have Custom Roms and apps that require unlock.
I never had a Lumia 900, but I just saw that that has never had custom ROMs because the security was never broken on it and never will be. Sad to say that it will probably be the same with the 920.
If Nokia knows, and I imagine they do, that they were able to make the 900 so secure that the devs here couldnt crack it, theyll just carry the same security over to any other phones they push out.
So I guess that pretty much answers my question. Most likely, we will not be seeing any Custom ROMs or hacks for our 920's
I actually would assume that it would be much harder to get Custom ROMs on any WP8 device then it was on WP7. Given that WP8 now uses secure boot which verifies signatures on the bootloader and kernel every time they load to ensure that no malware was deployed to the device. In the end this most likely means that any CustomROM would be identified as well and the device would simply reject to start it (and that is assuming we find a way to at least get the ROM on there). WP8 most likely is the best protected Mobile OS in that regard.
Actually, these guys seem to have hacked the boot-loader successfully
http://www.winphoneviet.com/forum/index.php?threads/21464/
At least, as far as I can tell from Vietnamese to English Google Translation.
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Actually, these guys seem to have hacked the boot-loader successfully
http://www.winphoneviet.com/forum/index.php?threads/21464/
At least, as far as I can tell from Vietnamese to English Google Translation.
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this not hack or custom ROM
this is only flashing official ROM via NCS (to fix bricking)
look here on english
http://forums.wpcentral.com/nokia-l...after-reset-flash-process-defined-inside.html
Hello there
I'm an Android user, and I like switching between many ROMs, manipulating a bit (even if I don't know much).
But a friend of mine has a HTC Titan, and I was wondering what could we do about those phones. I mean, can we change to custom ROMs ? Are there as many as there is on droids, is it as easy (or kind of) as Androids, or is it dangerous, are there any risks, etc. What are the possibilities ?
Thank you in advance for your answer
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Hello there
I'm an Android user, and I like switching between many ROMs, manipulating a bit (even if I don't know much).
But a friend of mine has a HTC Titan, and I was wondering what could we do about those phones. I mean, can we change to custom ROMs ? Are there as many as there is on droids, is it as easy (or kind of) as Androids, or is it dangerous, are there any risks, etc. What are the possibilities ?
Thank you in advance for your answer
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The simple answer here is...No! There are three variants of the Titan; the first one was a coon's age ago and the last two might as well be from different planets. The "Eternity" variant is the one you want; the "Radiance" variant is a lesson in futility as are all future Windows Phones. In an earlier life the Windows Mobile 6.x platform could be customized in every way Android is today. Windows Phone 7 comes along and the braintrust at every carrier and Microsoft decided to make life hard for us who enjoy customizing our phones and you'd think common sense would win the day...oh no...despite a 3.1% marketshare and royally pissing off every WP7 phone owner along the way they continue to lock these phones down and as more than a few Lumia 920 (WP8) owners will tell you the latest update now won't allow them to edit their mobile data speed and most are now stuck on LTE and what do we know about LTE boys and girls....one, not everybody has it; two, a lot of folks don't have it; and three, you can't edit the device to HSPA+, 3G or 2G as we Eternity variant Titans can. To answer your question head on - The Titan II cannot be tinkered with and no device since can on WP7 or WP8 platforms. Prior to Titan II...you bet; the HTC HD2 is the device you want for tinkering on any platform known to man; one look at its XDA main page will tell you its your device of choice for customized flashing of any ROM on any platform and it is extremely doubtful there will be another device like it ever made again, but one can wish...hopelessly. All that said, I love my Titan I, the Eternity. There are multiple level of locks...there's Interop, Developer and HSPL and you need all of them to play. It is not for the faint of heart, this is not Android....I can tell you I successfully HSPL my phones but I can also tell you I was scared to death I bricked them too, but there is a world of difference between a WP phone you can install your own apps like the Windows Mobile days or be so locked down there's no joy in any of it. Today, I'm on the fence as to whether to remain with Windows Phone despite what appears they finally got right with WP8 but I'm sick of this attitude that our devices have to be locked down that you're left to their whims not your own. One look at the WP pages will tell you development is little compared to Android. I ordered my wife's HTC One from HTC for $649.99, the 64GB Developer Edition and the next thing I did was install Launcher 8. Yes, under the hood it's different but it made for easy navigation of apps. I expect someone on Android is going to create a "live" tile for a WP8 skin of Android and likely I'm gone from WP. I'm not aware there is any further development going on over at WP7.8; there is some rumor that across the pond there is to be a WP7.9 release but as to what that is likely to entail; I don't know. Rumor is begging for a better bluetooth interface which is sorely missed even on WP8...what were they thinking? If you use Skype, it doesn't run in background on WP7.x. It's a mix bag...I love the platform, I'm sick of how the powers that be have really ruined it for us who enjoy it for what it is...different and I'm not kidding when I say this, it runs as smooth as butter; I simply do not understand the brain trust behind it and why they made it so damn hard for those of us who have been loyal to them for years.
Well said, even a rooted titan with a custom rom is not in the same league as a HD2 running WM.... its a real same those days have gone!
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rowlie50 said:
Well said, even a rooted titan with a custom rom is not in the same league as a HD2 running WM.... its a real same those days have gone!
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Or an HD2 running WP7.8 or as I am currently the NexusHD which I'm about to update to NativeSD with his most recent release. I am so fet up with all the obstacles that Windows Phone owners have had to put up with and even if you are HSPL and Developer and Interop Unlocked there are still obstacles and Android there is none and I simply don't understand the logic of what Microsoft and carriers are trying to accomplish; you'd think they'd welcome what contributors at XDA have done and maybe flashing my Titan today is a good example trying to setup Straight Talk with MMS, make Bing Map and Windows Phone Marketplace play nice and nope, no can do! Android? No problem. Throw my HD2 into the mix and despite only having EDGE; it all works but the bottom line is, you shouldn't have to pay for what you benefit from using W-Fi not mobile data.
Thank you guys for your answers. So I suppose there is no advantage of customisation with Windows Phones ^^
Take a look in the Titan ROM development, i,m running Dynamics 2.0 by ultrashot.... best ROM in my opinion. I edited the registry so it thinks its a Nokia, this way I get all the nokia apps. Read the thread to get a good idea of what a custom ROM gives you. Rumour has it that version 2.2 coming soon so keep an eye out. Rooting the Titan really is risky so read up on it before you take the plunge!
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Thank you ! I'll check that
Hi everyone,
I can't find a satisfactory answer on my favorite search engines, so I thought I'd come here and ask. Sorry if this question has already been put on the table, carved, sliced and gobbled, I couldn't find trace of it in the forum's search engine either.
My phone's a Leagoo T5c that will forever be stuck on Android 7.0, it seems, because the OEM has already lost interest, and because its SoC makes it difficult, if not downright impossible, to find a suitable custom ROM.
The latest ROM I could find and install on this phone goes back to August of 2018 (no-no, no typos), and its Security Update is even one month older (July 2018).
My question is in the title: Is it possible to install Security Updates without reinstalling/updating/upgrading the firmware itself, like you would in, say, Windows or any other OS, I presume?
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Hi everyone,
I can't find a satisfactory answer on my favorite search engines, so I thought I'd come here and ask. Sorry if this question has already been put on the table, carved, sliced and gobbled, I couldn't find trace of it in the forum's search engine either.
My phone's a Leagoo T5c that will forever be stuck on Android 7.0, it seems, because the OEM has already lost interest, and because its SoC makes it difficult, if not downright impossible, to find a suitable custom ROM.
The latest ROM I could find and install on this phone goes back to August of 2018 (no-no, no typos), and its Security Update is even one month older (July 2018).
My question is in the title: Is it possible to install Security Updates without reinstalling/updating/upgrading the firmware itself, like you would in, say, Windows or any other OS, I presume?
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With android 10 were introduced Google play security updates that lets you received security updates (not all of them unfortunately, some requires to upgrade) without updating the full OS. You can't do it because you're stuck with the wrong Android version
Hopefully you won't have any issues with hacking but consider buying a new phone when you'll get a chance
Security updates get rolled out as OTA by OEM/Carrier if they consider it's necessary. You can't force it. Theoretically, all Android smartphones should get around two years of security updates. However, the reality is often very different.
The Leagoo T5c is a small-budget phone what was sold for 99 USD - so more or less a disposable item. You cannot expect OEM/Carrier to have any interest in providing updates for such a phone.
Thank you both for your explanations. I understand that Android works differently when it comes to updating itself, mostly because Google isn't the only party to have a voice in the chapter; still, it's unnerving to see that the end-user is more or less captive anyway.
It kinda defeats the very purpose of an open-source OS, to have to wait for an OEM to release (or not) an update, when you could install the patches yourself.
As for buying another phone, well, as soon as I've got the dough, I will, believe me. Not because I'm dissatisfied with this one, but because I don't like the idea of totting around with a phone that hasn't seen a security update in over two years.
I'm also seriously considering moving to Ubuntu Touch, though there again, my phone's exotic platform could be problematic. Custom ROMs seems to be as complicated an avenue as others, too.
All in all, Android isn't what they sold me: It's not secure, it's not "free", it's just another way to make you shell out bucks for new hardware every couple years.
Android is just iOS without the eye-candy, you ask me...
UglyStuff said:
Thank you both for your explanations. I understand that Android works differently when it comes to updating itself, mostly because Google isn't the only party to have a voice in the chapter; still, it's unnerving to see that the end-user is more or less captive anyway.
It kinda defeats the very purpose of an open-source OS, to have to wait for an OEM to release (or not) an update, when you could install the patches yourself.
As for buying another phone, well, as soon as I've got the dough, I will, believe me. Not because I'm dissatisfied with this one, but because I don't like the idea of totting around with a phone that hasn't seen a security update in over two years.
I'm also seriously considering moving to Ubuntu Touch, though there again, my phone's exotic platform could be problematic. Custom ROMs seems to be as complicated an avenue as others, too.
All in all, Android isn't what they sold me: It's not secure, it's not "free", it's just another way to make you shell out bucks for new hardware every couple years.
Android is just iOS without the eye-candy, you ask me...
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Android isn't iOS precisely because you can break free from your OEM by flashing a custom ROM. You can develop one for almost any device as long as the OEM releases the kernel source code. And most OEM do (expect for some very unknown phones).
Custom ROMs like GrapheneOS are made to free you from google Services and are truly privacy oriented. And all of that is possible because Android is open source.
Trust me, the Android community has always worked actively to counter aging of their devices (including me).
Just buy a phone with a solid community behind and you'll be able to keep it up to date a looong time
Raiz said:
Android isn't iOS precisely because you can break free from your OEM by flashing a custom ROM. You can develop one for almost any device as long as the OEM releases the kernel source code. And most OEM do (expect for some very unknown phones).
Custom ROMs like GrapheneOS are made to free you from google Services and are truly privacy oriented. And all of that is possible because Android is open source.
Trust me, the Android community has always worked actively to counter aging of their devices (including me).
Just buy a phone with a solid community behind and you'll be able to keep it up to date a looong time
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I agree with you in principle, but if I must take an example: I have this Early 2006 MacBook Pro with a Core Duo CPU that precludes me from even installing Mac OS X 10.7 "Lion" on it, because the CPU is 32-bit-only, and Lion requires a 64-bit CPU.
The machine itself works very well, albeit a bit slowly, but then it's got only 2 GB of RAM and a 120-GB SSD. When I got fed-up with OS X applications not updating/upgrading and Firefox addons not installing because my copy of Firefox was too old, I partitioned the SSD, installed rEFInd as boot manager, and installed Zorin 15.2 (now 15.3) Lite 32-bit.
I now spend more time on the Linux side of this Mac than on the OS X side, and updating/upgrading it is a breeze, either via the dedicated application or in Terminal. I know there'll be an end-of-the-line there too, someday, but at least I'll keep using this Mac until it truly dies on me, not when Apple tells me it's dead.
This, for me, is the very essence of open-source: Not just the fact that it's free, but that you can revive an old machine and keep it running long after Apple et al have decided that it had gone the way of the dinosaurs.
The same doesn't apply to Android, alas. Here, you must have a compatible SoC/chipset/what-have-you, a Treble-compatible device, you must have this, you must have that...
In the end, only a fraction of Android users really get to enjoy everything their device has to offer for as long as they choose; the others just pop into the nearest phone store, be it brick-and-mortar or cyber, and must produce their credit card.
My question was as much a challenge to myself as anything else. I would really like to learn how Android works, but the tutorials and articles I've found here and there are all a bit cryptic.
That's why I'm regularly prowling this forum, I guess.
"Hunting high and low", as the song goes... :laugh:
yep, good question but google & manufactures are in it for the moola not the users 2 yr old phone.
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yep, good question but google & manufactures are in it for the moola not the users 2 yr old phone.
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Don't I know it! It's true that even budget phones have decent specs nowadays, still, why dump a perfectly functioning phone simply because you can't update/upgrade the software?
I understand Google's rationale, of course: They invest tons of money year after year after year to keep the whole boat afloat, and they need a steady income. OK. Still, to not be able to keep your phone ***safe*** is a no-go for me.
I'm seriously beginning to think about installing Ubuntu Touch on the device. I think I'm going to try that next weekend.
I'll probably come back here with my eyes red, asking for help in unbricking my phone, though.
Stay tuned! :good:
A followup, if you are mindful of your own security it's conceivable to get more usage of that android. I don't use a banking app, but if need be use a good browser( thats updated of course) And update all often used apps via playstore. I'm still running Oreo on my phone. FYI you iOS ppl need to do critical updates asap