How will the ownership of Motorola by Google affect us users?
I love my Photon, Google may have direct access to make things different for future Motorola Android Devices and Updates...
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My Motorola Mobile Android experience from Droid ×¹ to the HTC Evo to Photon:
Comming from a Droid X on Verizon, I have experienced most of the features of my MoPho with the latest gingy update. This hasn't been challenging and I love the features of the "axed" motoblur, (Edit: Motorola Applications Platform, not Motorola Desktop Interface), but I love my MoPho.
I previously had an Evo 4G, and I liked the UI, but hated the phone, with its unbearable internal storage, I got rid of it, and got my MoPho.
(I had my Droid X, Evo 4G, then Photon)
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Well, back to my topic, , what do you all think this will do to us?
Is this a positive, negative, post your comments below...
Quick Question: Has anyone came from the Droid X, or Droid X², and what do you think?
Keep the posts comming!!!
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Hopefully some < $100 motorola cable boxes running Google TV
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Google doesn't care if you root. If they do at all, it's because the carriers hate rooting.
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kjones2k1 said:
Hopefully some < $100 motorola cable boxes running Google TV
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I hope so!!!!!!! That would be sweet, especially if you can buy them without getting into a cable contract!
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vintage712 said:
Google doesn't care if you root. If they do at all, it's because the carriers hate rooting.
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I used to think that Google didn't care if we rooted myself, but with the latest Android Gingerbread Updates, Google has blocked some methods, together with the manufacturer's and carrier's OTA Updates, we may not know...
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If you look at the Nexus phones, they have easily unlockable bootloaders. True, they are developer phones. Google will be running the company separately, not taking over whole operations if i read correctly. I think a push toward unlocked bootloaders and sooner updates. I think a slow death to Blur, probably around when Ice Cream Sandwich comes. Flagship phone perhaps?
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From the standpoint of rooting, google doesn't care about that, if they did would they let apps for root users in market ? I don'T think so. So you better forget that idea.
Now being a motorola/google phone owner, we should be much more optimistic than others about software. I personally think that google will take more care of us. Looking forward to see a Chrome OS instead of Weptop on our devices. officialy or unofficialy, i believe it will happen.
We get 2.4 faster than anyone else.
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I used to think that Google didn't care if we rooted myself, but with the latest Android Gingerbread Updates, Google has blocked some methods, together with the manufacturer's and carrier's OTA Updates, we may not know...
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That's because most root methods use security vulnerabilities to get installed.. If you used that vulnerability to get root, malware can use it too - so the vulnerabilities get fixed.
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RickNY1971 said:
That's because most root methods use security vulnerabilities to get installed.. If you used that vulnerability to get root, malware can use it too - so the vulnerabilities get fixed.
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You are my +1
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That's because most root methods use security vulnerabilities to get installed.. If you used that vulnerability to get root, malware can use it too - so the vulnerabilities get fixed.
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Root is at a software level while the bootloader is closer to a hardware level and requires access to the phone. Just clarifying that for people..
tropicalbrit said:
If you look at the Nexus phones, they have easily unlockable bootloaders. True, they are developer phones. Google will be running the company separately, not taking over whole operations if i read correctly. I think a push toward unlocked bootloaders and sooner updates. I think a slow death to Blur, probably around when Ice Cream Sandwich comes. Flagship phone perhaps?
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Yes, you are correct about the takeover, it will be ran as a separate company, as I have read, I will edit my post.
I wouln't say a slow death of blur, for our Photons, but that is quite possible for newer Motorola Android devices, but at the same time, Motorola may work with Google's android developers to make a better blur-esque UI. Who knows?
Remember, if all goes as reportedly planned, then Google has the Blur patent...
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I dunno about you guys, but the new blur is not so bad for me. I came from a Cliq and this ghost blur or interface is a major improvement.
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I hope so!!!!!!! That would be sweet, especially if you can buy them without getting into a cable contract!
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That would all depend on the cable provider as well, however most (if not all) cable companies offer just a cable card that I'm sure future Motorola cable boxes will accept, if you purchase the box from an official retailer. Though you'll of course at least have to have the tv service through satellite/cable provider.
The acquisition, though, makes me wonder if I should get the Photon, or keep using my X10 Mini Pro for a while to see what comes next
coldblooded79 said:
I dunno about you guys, but the new blur is not so bad for me. I came from a Cliq and this ghost blur or interface is a major improvement.
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I agree. I like this blur, a lot. It's not bad at all. Good job Motorola!
djshifted said:
The acquisition, though, makes me wonder if I should get the Photon, or keep using my X10 Mini Pro for a while to see what comes next
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The ultimate decision is entirely up to you, but I personally think the photon is a great choice for all.
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That would all depend on the cable provider as well, however most (if not all) cable companies offer just a cable card that I'm sure future Motorola cable boxes will accept, if you purchase the box from an official retailer. Though you'll of course at least have to have the tv service through satellite/cable provider.
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Well Agreed.
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hey the motorola photon its official, its like atrix BUT it supose had UNLOCKED BOOTLOADER!!!! and GingerBread so wtf with atrix... IMO photon should be the atrix
this its the source
http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-photon-4g-has-unlocked-bootloader-sports-gorilla-glass
U might wna hold up on bn happy bout that. Droid life says hold on before celebrating they have new details
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from motorola..
Motorola: While the Motorola PHOTON 4G software does not include an unlockable/relockable bootloader, we intend to include this feature in software releases starting in late 2011 where operator and channel partners will allow it. Apologies for any confusion.
This does not mean they will unlock the Atrix bootloader
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1117273
Photon is on lockdown too... read up...
http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-photon-4g-initial-hands
bump...
Is it bad that I'm happy it's just as crippled as our phone? Kind of like "Hahahaha now you know how I feel."
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defnow said:
Motorola: While the Motorola PHOTON 4G software does not include an unlockable/relockable bootloader, we intend to include this feature in software releases starting in late 2011 where operator and channel partners will allow it. Apologies for any confusion.
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That would probably be one of the major selling points of the incoming Motorola handsets in late 2011, so we can expect unlockable software on Atrix after approximately 3 to 6 months?
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Never knows but for now no more motorola for me, the thing its I love htc but they don't make so many phones for at&t bands that are for ny country so I'm kind stuck.
Perhaps a new light appear,i will transfer ny data plan(stupid carrier its expensive cancel the contract) now I need sell my atrix and buy the evo 3D
Thanks motorola I trust in you...
Don't take me wrong I do like the phone, its amazing fast,i like entertainment center.but I don't like what motorola do to keep customers...not sure if they will unlock bootloader late like they said I don't trust anymore
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Is the Evo 3d locked too? I assume that's the phone people on Sprint will be buying either way.
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People on Sprint would have bought it regardless. Just because it has the word EVO in it.
But HTC caved and is unlocking bootloaders.
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Htc is shipping dev's s-off sensations (unlocked bootloaders).
Really sucks to be on moto at the moment, so much potential!
Swyped from 'mount' Olympus
Bye Motorola. Can't wait to sell my Atrix. Enough of this.
^ So what would you move to?...
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Why wait, there is Craigslist and Ebay.
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^ So what would you move to?...
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Waiting for the HTC Sensation to support the bands used by major Canadian providers (850/1900). As soon as it drops I'm getting rid of my Atrix!
bongd said:
Waiting for the HTC Sensation to support the bands used by major Canadian providers (850/1900). As soon as it drops I'm getting rid of my Atrix!
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Wait sensation works with 850? that are at&t bands right?i though was for tmo bands (aws)
I was looking for evo 3D
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Hopefully galaxy s2 is not to far off for att. At the moment atrix is the best on our network. I'll jump ship once something better comes along or Motorola wakes up and opens there devices up. I'll never buy another moto device till they do
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zen kun said:
Wait sensation works with 850? that are at&t bands right?i though was for tmo bands (aws)
I was looking for evo 3D
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Read it again, buddy. I'm waiting for a version to be released that has 850/1900 3G bands. I'm scouring the internet waiting to hear more news about the Sensation or Evo 3D to be released with these bands for 3G so I can ditch the Atrix.
This is a great phone and all but I only got it to tide me over until something better came along. I had an HTC Desire Z before. And I liked it a lot better than the Atrix. Ah well... hopefully I don't have to wait much longer. I'd keep this phone if the bootloader were unlocked but it looks like there isn't much promise (yes, following the threads in the Dev forum but it looks like a ways off still).
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Read it again, buddy. I'm waiting for a version to be released that has 850/1900 3G bands. I'm scouring the internet waiting to hear more news about the Sensation or Evo 3D to be released with these bands for 3G so I can ditch the Atrix.
This is a great phone and all but I only got it to tide me over until something better came along. I had an HTC Desire Z before. And I liked it a lot better than the Atrix. Ah well... hopefully I don't have to wait much longer. I'd keep this phone if the bootloader were unlocked but it looks like there isn't much promise (yes, following the threads in the Dev forum but it looks like a ways off still).
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Oh sorry I miss read, yeah I'm young that too since I have no more options in carrier seems I can get the evo working so I will jump from the boat, I take this because power of 2 cores and promise from moto to work in bootloader, the phone its great but stuck in froyo until moto wants, and when we get gb, we must wait to see ice cream when with unlocked bootloader we can have ics no more moto for me
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Hi guys, I seem to be swimming against the current, so to speak. I upgraded a couple weeks ago from the HTC Hero to a Motorola Photon. I'm now having some buyer's remorse. I think the Evo 3D is much better suited to my needs. Over on the Photon forums, you can find all manner of folks that had an Evo 3D but switched to the Photon in the 30-day window.
Are there any folks out there that have done what I'm thinking about? Namely going from Photon to Evo 3D? If so, what has your experience been like? Are you happy with the switch?
The Photon's phone is fantastic, and it would allow me to roam globally. Yet, the Motorola UI is crap for business. Widgets are ugly, uninformative, and tedious. The launcher is basically un-customizable. The mailboxes are unified, and you can't create a homescreen shortcut to just one inbox. It's a nightmare! Even my craptastic Blackberry Pearl let me split my inbox accounts! Call logs on the Photon don't display call length, and the phone requires drivers up the a$$ just to charge from a PC! WTF?
I realize I will probably have to give up a bit on call quality and perhaps speaker volume, but somebody please tell me it's better than the Hero!
Any advice?
Come on over and play. You will love the 3D. Most of the people that jumped ship to the photon was because of the locked bootloader on the 3d. Well that ain't a problem anymore. You can unlock and root your 3d with ease now so come and join the fun.
Make the switch, don't left the rep apply software updates, just activation. (Check the phone in the store before leaving, don't let the sales rep leave! Make sure the physical hardware is ok.) Unlock bootloader & grab a recovery with revolutionary, flash superuser file to root, install a rooted 2.3.4 Rom.
Enjoy life knowing you've made a better investment.
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I went to.the photon to the 3d. Best switch I ever made
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Noiro said:
Make the switch, don't left the rep apply software updates, just activation. (Check the phone in the store before leaving, don't let the sales rep leave! Make sure the physical hardware is ok.) Unlock bootloader & grab a recovery with revolutionary, flash superuser file to root, install a rooted 2.3.4 Rom.
Enjoy life knowing you've made a better investment.
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This sounds intriguing. Presumably if they update in the store i'll get a firmware version that's not rootable yet? I'll have to make sure I take your advice. What software version do I want? Or maybe I should ask what version do I want to AVOID?
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Outer Marker said:
This sounds intriguing. Presumably if they update in the store i'll get a firmware version that's not rootable yet? I'll have to make sure I take your advice. What software version do I want? Or maybe I should ask what version do I want to AVOID?
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Just dont let them update it. The stock version is fine.
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Outer Marker said:
This sounds intriguing. Presumably if they update in the store i'll get a firmware version that's not rootable yet? I'll have to make sure I take your advice. What software version do I want? Or maybe I should ask what version do I want to AVOID?
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2.08.651.2 is the version to avoid if I remember correctly and you're correct, its not rootable yet. We have a lot of great dedicated devs here and there are more on the way. You'll be happy to make the switch and if you miss your kickstand, there are cases that will satisfy your need
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Please use the Q&A Forum for questions Thanks
Moving to Q&A
I'm getting one of these as a replacement for my 3D from Sprint. I'm torn. What do you suggest and why?
Photon packed full of features and it's not samsung
Nexus s - single core, no micro sd, 5mp camera, outdated.
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^true, but nexus s 4g is more than likely getting ics, whereas the photon is a bit in the air. Also, I think it has a bigger development community (no offense to the great devs here of course) on xda
Not even close. Wife had a nexus s 4g. I've had a Photon. Just bought a mopho for her and working on selling the ns4g. I thought it was going to be great with the open source and dev network and everything. It was a disappointment. It also does not have gorilla glass, is smaller, and has no kickstand. I would rather wait longer for official ICS than step down to a NS4G.
You should list things you absolutely need a phone (good signal, good quality screen, build quality, camera performance, etc.) and then check which of the two offers the most must need features.
This isn't even a question, of course the photon. Just because the NS4G is getting ICS wouldn't make it a better choice. Getting a NS4G at this point would be taking a step backwards imo.
Went with the photon. Sounds like I can root and retain 4g and use root apps like wifi tether but no ROMs if I want 4g. I guess this is good enough for now.
Chances the bootloader will ever be unlocked?
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sdc177 said:
Went with the photon. Sounds like I can root and retain 4g and use root apps like wifi tether but no ROMs if I want 4g. I guess this is good enough for now.
Chances the bootloader will ever be unlocked?
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The bootloader is unlocked, it's just that 4G gets disabled.
I'm getting my photon in two days as a replacement for my banged up 3VO... so glad it is on back order and I was offered something better....
So to the point.... If I am reading correctly, if I want to flash a custom ROM and recovery I have to give up 4g?
... Sounds good to me, I don't even get good 3g at my house, never mind 4g.... I'm always on wifi...
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gollyzila said:
The bootloader is unlocked, it's just that 4G gets disabled.
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Thanks, I got confused. So what are the chances of finding a way to unlock and retain 4g?
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sdc177 said:
Thanks, I got confused. So what are the chances of finding a way to unlock and retain 4g?
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Its currently being worked on but I wouldn't expect anything anytime soon. Providing ETA's in the Photon forums seem to get you beat like a red headed stepchild in here!
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Thanks, I got confused. So what are the chances of finding a way to unlock and retain 4g?
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Not too good without an assist from Motorola.
6bowmans said:
Not too good without an assist from Motorola.
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retain 4g thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1227867
Umm no that's super old
Use rocko locked or skinny4g
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retain 4g thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1227867
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if you are willing to give up 4g unlock your bootloader and download jokersax's cm9 ROM it's great and the only thing that isn't working is the camera which i believe is gonna be fixed by the end of this week
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if you are willing to give up 4g unlock your bootloader and download jokersax's cm9 ROM it's great and the only thing that isn't working is the camera which i believe is gonna be fixed by the end of this week
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So can you relock and get 4g back? I've tried different ICS ROMs on other phones including CM9 and while I like it I'm not willing to permanently lose 4g so I can play with it on the MoPho.
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Yes, it is reversible
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CM9 hardware acceleration also doesn't work yet. All the videos I watch now requires the software decoding.
Photon!!!!!
Better photon
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First order of business.....
please unlock bootloader with working 4g.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/weve-acquired-motorola-mobility.html?m=1
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Hmm, so what will be next? They must have a big plan. I can't wait for some news.
Sounds like definitely plan to start making their own phones. Come on Motorola nexus!!!!!!
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I hope something big and new. Why else, buy it.
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Amen, brothers! Praise Larry & Sergey!
My Photon is now officially pulled from eBay (for at least a few days) just in case Google decides to earn our love & loyalty forever by unlocking our bootloaders ASAP
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valentinoh said:
I hope something big and new. Why else, buy it.
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access to patents to tell Apple and M$ to suck it.
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access to patents to tell Apple and M$ to suck it.
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You would be absoutly correct, Google and Larry Page could care less about Motorola or a cell phone. What they do care about is the 6000 (or is it 16,000?) patents that Motorola owns! Right now, Apple is sueing everyone for infringements, thats getting read to change real fast!!!
I dont know if you guys know this, Motorola was around L-O-N-G before Sammy, HTC, Apple, Noika, all of them. They held all these patents but never really enforced them for whatever reason. If you remember, Apple went after Motorola with its Lawyer Goons with this Paten crap. I guess Motorola did not have the balls to fight, but Larry Page has bigger Goons! F**k, motorola has patent on the old bag phone of the late 80's! So if they every come back........
Correct - this is all about now owning patents.
Means little or nothing about current phones.
bitbang3r said:
Amen, brothers! Praise Larry & Sergey!
My Photon is now officially pulled from eBay (for at least a few days) just in case Google decides to earn our love & loyalty forever by unlocking our bootloaders ASAP
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lol
by field testing a new bootloader or at the very least a new bootloader unlock tool? cuz im sure that wont take a few months to pass carrier testing etc...
valentinoh said:
First order of business.....
please unlock bootloader with working 4g.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/weve-acquired-motorola-mobility.html?m=1
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i couldn't agree with you more. i am really looking forward to having ics... either by update of by unlocked bootloader and flashing cm9
#ICS-lessMotorolaElectrify, ThanksMotorolaForYourIgnorance
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by field testing a new bootloader or at the very least a new bootloader unlock tool? cuz im sure that wont take a few months to pass carrier testing etc...
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yeah i hope it will be soon cant wait to unlock with working 4g...or unlock with boost
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yeah i hope it will be soon cant wait to unlock with working 4g...or unlock with boost
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Boost?
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redninja007 said:
yeah i hope it will be soon cant wait to unlock with working 4g...or unlock with boost
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Lol you can put the photon on pretty much any carrier now. Atm I have my photon on page plus (verizon). I'm pretty sure boost is on the sprint network so 3g or 4g might work (as long as your boot loader is locked). To get on another cdma carrier all you got to do for the most part is flash alother prl.
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Lol you can put the photon on pretty much any carrier now. Atm I have my photon on page plus (verizon). I'm pretty sure boost is on the sprint network so 3g or 4g might work (as long as your boot loader is locked). To get on another cdma carrier all you got to do for the most part is flash alother prl.
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Does that include Virgin Mobile? Haven't heard of a successful swap to that yet.
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Does that include Virgin Mobile? Haven't heard of a successful swap to that yet.
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I guess that could be real possible. If I remember right they use Sprint's towers.
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
I hope I'm wrong but I really doubt this will affect prior devices like the Photon, Atrix, etc.
I can imagine future devices having prompt updates, perhaps vanilla android, but seems unlikely they'd suddenly decide to move the ICS Q4 update to sooner out of the bottom of their hearts.
Guys, here is the most informative article I have read on the subject from AndroidPolice. This guy is a Law Student in California and explains the good and the bad of the marriage. Enjoy!
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...-look-back-at-the-deal-and-what-happens-next/
seems unlikely they'd suddenly decide to move the ICS Q4 update to sooner out of the bottom of their hearts.
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Expecting ICS sooner is unrealistic. Expecting unlocked bootloaders for existing phones so we can do it ourselves is another matter entirely.
As far as carrier approval goes, remember that there's a fundamental difference culturally between Motorola and Google. Motorola wouldn't even contemplate releasing an unlocker unless the carriers demanded and paid for it. Google will have its lawyers read the sales & maintenance contract it has with the carriers, and do it anyway as long as there's no clause in that contract explicitly prohibiting them from doing it.
In practical terms, that probably means Sprint and T-Mobile will have official unlockers within weeks, and AT&T & Verizon will never get them. However, I'll bet there will be some VERY interesting tidbits of info in the Sprint unlockers that might prove useful to someone at XDA trying to write one for a Verizon phone... ;-)
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Guys, here is the most informative article I have read on the subject from AndroidPolice. This guy is a Law Student in California and explains the good and the bad of the marriage. Enjoy!
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...-look-back-at-the-deal-and-what-happens-next/
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as long add they unlock my bootloader so i can have a blurless ics rom i think id be pretty dang happy at least until jellybean comes out lol
#ICS-lessMotorolaElectrify, ThanksMotorolaForYourIgnorance
tnx
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Lol you can put the photon on pretty much any carrier now. Atm I have my photon on page plus (verizon). I'm pretty sure boost is on the sprint network so 3g or 4g might work (as long as your boot loader is locked). To get on another cdma carrier all you got to do for the most part is flash alother prl.
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tnx for the info... im going to look into it i still have 6 months before my contract with sprint will end.so i still have a lot of time to figure this out
I'm sure there is some logical answer to this that someone can explain, but it is something that has been on my mind lately. Why do we even have fragmentation of Android on our devices? 4.4 just came out, and despite the rumors the chances we will ever go beyond 4.1.1 on our DNA without the use of ROMs is slim. This is because we have to wait for HTC to make the update, then Verizon to push it out.
But why don't we cut out Verizon? How about HTC, Samsung, Sony, etc push the updates directly to the device without Verizon? Maybe HTC has something like a HTC Device Manager that lets you select your device and OS, and shows you your version along with the latest with the option to update. It shouldn't be too hard... Apple does it. Even though I dislike iPhones, their updating structure is superior. Updating should be in the hands of the manufacture, not the carrier. That way only HTC is to blame.
It shouldn't be too hard for manufacturers to make updates for their devices since they should have people being paid to do such. Here on XDA we have a great community of people that seem to do more in their free time and it quicker than anyone employed by the manufacturer.
Last thing, Google can help with fragmentation by putting more features into the Playstore. A great example is the the Google Keyboard. Beforehand the only way to get it was on something like a Nexus, but now anyone can get it. Why can't Google put the new KitKat launcher and Dialer into the Playstore?
The reason Verizon pushes the update out of because they have contracts with the manufacturers. Verizon wants to make sure all its bloatware is in the rom and make sure everything is functional on the network. If HTC broke the contract Verizon would simply no longer carry the phone.
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The reason Verizon pushes the update out of because they have contracts with the manufacturers. Verizon wants to make sure all its bloatware is in the rom and make sure everything is functional on the network. If HTC broke the contract Verizon would simply no longer carry the phone.
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Exactly this. The Apple thing is moot. Apple is the only company who releases iOS, so Apple has the choice if they want their phone on that carrier. Android manufacturers are a dime a dozen, so they have to sign contracts and follow what the carrier wants to keep their devices on that carrier.
What is more devastating? No Samsung phones on a certain carrier, or no iOS? The carrier has a handful of android devices to choose from if one manufacturer drops. If Apple drops, there will be no more iOS on that carrier.
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If all phones that are able to run the latest version did get the upgraded version of android, you'd have less of an incentive to buy the latest phone coming out. Are the newest phones really THAT much better than the DNA? Verizon wants you to get a new phone.
As a rooted user and prefer aosp to sense, I'm pretty confident I'll have the latest version of android way past official updates. On my droid x, I had ICS shortly after gingerbread was officially released for it.
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danjull said:
If all phones that are able to run the latest version did get the upgraded version of android, you'd have less of an incentive to buy the latest phone coming out. Are the newest phones really THAT much better than the DNA? Verizon wants you to get a new phone.
As a rooted user and prefer aosp to sense, I'm pretty confident I'll have the latest version of android way past official updates. On my droid x, I had ICS shortly after gingerbread was officially released for it.
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Getting the newest version of Android is the reason I root and load custom roms on my phone. When I buy a phone I know Verizon won't support it for long. I just wish Verizon would pick up a Nexus phone...
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Jaggar345 said:
Getting the newest version of Android is the reason I root and load custom roms on my phone. When I buy a phone I know Verizon won't support it for long. I just wish Verizon would pick up a Nexus phone...
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If i remember correctly it's Google that doesn't give them nexus
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Jaggar345 said:
Getting the newest version of Android is the reason I root and load custom roms on my phone. When I buy a phone I know Verizon won't support it for long. I just wish Verizon would pick up a Nexus phone...
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Verizon did pick up a nexus phone. The Galaxy Nexus, and it was just as bad about updates.
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According to Google, the reason for no CDMA nexus devices has to do with CDMA requiring proprietary binaries. However, I wonder if it's more than that because as far as I know the Google Play Edition GS4 and HTC One aren't coming to Verizon either.
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According to Google, the reason for no CDMA nexus devices has to do with CDMA requiring proprietary binaries. However, I wonder if it's more than that because as far as I know the Google Play Edition GS4 and HTC One aren't coming to Verizon either.
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The Nexus 5 has CDMA support, but only on Sprint. It doesn't have support for Verizon's bands.
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Hmmm... Didn't know that. Even more reason for me to believe there's something more to it. I think it may have something to do with Verizon's effort to keep the bootloaders on all its devices locked down like a chastity belt, whereas Google wants the devices to be for unlockable.
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well according to reports 2014 brings unlocking and rooting to a hault as it becomes illegal just like jailbreaking a ps3
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well according to reports 2014 brings unlocking and rooting to a hault as it becomes illegal just like jailbreaking a ps3
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Why would it be illegal your not taking any paid apps or anything or breaking the law by doing what you want with your device.
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t1gartist said:
well according to reports 2014 brings unlocking and rooting to a hault as it becomes illegal just like jailbreaking a ps3
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You are thinking of the law about unlocking the Sim lock. Not unlocking the bootloader. Our DNA's are sim unlocked out of the box.
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