i seen on androidcentral big V is flippingon 15 new cities and expanding 10 more
http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-flipping-4g-lte-switch-tomorrow-15-more-cities-expanding-10
its sad sprint was the first in the 4g market and now i think they are dead last i understand clearwire has had cash problems. sad 4g was stated to be flipped on in my city on launch day now its pushed back to WHO THE F**K KNOWS
/rant off
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i seen on androidcentral big V is flippingon 15 new cities and expanding 10 more
http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-flipping-4g-lte-switch-tomorrow-15-more-cities-expanding-10
its sad sprint was the first in the 4g market and now i think they are dead last i understand clearwire has had cash problems. sad 4g was stated to be flipped on in my city on launch day now its pushed back to WHO THE F**K KNOWS
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well, VZ is in a much better financial situation than Sprint/Clear. Im glad they are switching to LTE though. Wimax stinks
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well, VZ is in a much better financial situation than Sprint/Clear. Im glad they are switching to LTE though. Wimax stinks
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yea but who knows when the lte will be out and rocking if i didnt have a great deal with sprint i would have jumped but 4 phones unlimted everything for under 200 a month i just can't leave that lol
I'd rather pay less and deal with decent 3g than pay what Verizon charges for every little random thing.
I can watch Netflix while sitting at the park, or browse while listing to chronix radio, Im not trying to beat a missle in download speeds here lol.
The equipment is up already so it'll be fast. That's the last worry I have. I just hope we don't go through a year of only lte netbooks & data cards before we see the phones.
My Wimax speed is fine, I just want better range & wall penetration for when I'm at the office.
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I'd rather pay less and deal with decent 3g than pay what Verizon charges for every little random thing.
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id agree fully IF i had decent 3g speeds lol 2 towers have been fubar for about 9 months in my area and sprint's not in any big hurry to fix it seems
Until very recently VZW also made you choose 4g and an old phone or 3g and a new phone. Droid 3 3g only work phone FTL.
Makes me wish I had switched to Verizon. I have my little brother rolling around the house bragging about his 4g all the time. Pisses me off
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Yeah my buddy brags all the time about his speeds
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This is the second time they've expanded service here in Atlanta. I noticed it when I was up around spaghetti junction that I actually had LTE on my TB damn near to Rome. Folks thought VZW was playin when they said they're going to have their whole 3G network covered in LTE by 2013.
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I'd rather pay less and deal with decent 3g than pay what Verizon charges for every little random thing.
I can watch Netflix while sitting at the park, or browse while listing to chronix radio, Im not trying to beat a missle in download speeds here lol.
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Hell for many of us the 3G isnt even decent.
its not wimax that sucks
wimax>lte
its the frequency and backhaul that sucks which wimax has nothing to with.
kinda like 3g in that you don't blame 3g, you blame sprint. same concept
NewZJ said:
its not wimax that sucks
wimax>lte
its the frequency and backhaul that sucks which wimax has nothing to with.
kinda like 3g in that you don't blame 3g, you blame sprint. same concept
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Well clear sucks that seems to be more fitting.
NewZJ said:
its not wimax that sucks
wimax>lte
its the frequency and backhaul that sucks which wimax has nothing to with.
kinda like 3g in that you don't blame 3g, you blame sprint. same concept
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ehhh lets not start a debate here, but LTE is superior to Wimax, which is why all the major carriers are using it and or about to. (sprint)
The inherent flaw with Wimax is the frequency it uses, BUT isnt dependant on Sprint. Clearwire modems have the same trouble penetrating buildings and stuff like that because of the high frequency. TRUE wimax could be theoretically better, but LTE is more practical in real world usage because of the lower frequency it uses, which is better when it comes to range and penetration.
The variable here is the LTE network on VZ has barely been tapped into. Who knows what real world speeds will come when it finally gets saturated with 4G users.
So as of RIGHT NOW. LTE is beating out Wimax...Dan Hesse has admitted it
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ehhh lets not start a debate here, but LTE is superior to Wimax, which is why all the major carriers are using it and or about to. (sprint)
The inherent flaw with Wimax is the frequency it uses, BUT isnt dependant on Sprint. Clearwire modems have the same trouble penetrating buildings and stuff like that because of the high frequency. TRUE wimax could be theoretically better, but LTE is more practical in real world usage because of the lower frequency it uses, which is better when it comes to range and penetration.
The variable here is the LTE network on VZ has barely been tapped into. Who knows what real world speeds will come when it finally gets saturated with 4G users.
So as of RIGHT NOW. LTE is beating out Wimax...Dan Hesse has admitted it
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My LTE speeds have actually gotten faster since I got my TB. Got a bump after the outage and again after the first expansion. I'm yet to go below 18 MB/sec and average around 22-25. AND I got it while the data was still unlimited.
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My LTE speeds have actually gotten faster since I got my TB. Got a bump after the outage and again after the first expansion. I'm yet to go below 18 MB/sec and average around 22-25. AND I got it while the data was still unlimited.
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holy ****!! the fastest Ive gotten on Sprint was about 8-10MB/s. When I was on Tmobile i was getting between 7-14.
My buddy avg's 20 megs down on his Thunderbolt. Also I didn't make this thread to start a fight over what's better. Just found it sad how slloow they are moving
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Yeah makes me wish I would have switched to Verizon the day before they implemented the data caps. I had called up a Verizon business rep and everything, but I couldn't justify the huge price increase.
i wish i could say that i dont care about 4g because 3g is ok, but 3g blows just as hard as 4g in my area (ok not AS bad, i literally dont get 4g here) but my 3g speeds generally range from 5-40kbps and usually get almost no upload at all. even with getting a good price on my plan, sub dial up speeds is literally ridiculous.
Lmao My dad brags about the data speeds (Verizon) over sprint. I said so what do you want a cookie? If I wanted to be on Verizon Id be on Verizon. He dropped it after that.
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I currently have the EVO (great phone) but I have trouble using the 4G (WIMAX), I live in a 4G area that doesn't have 4G, lol and and work I have a lot of concrete around, so 4G doesn't work there either, so I'm wondering if I should try the TB 4G on LTE, I use 3g at work no problem but its still too slow. I hardly never have the 4G turned on my EVO which Im kinda upset about, so far WIMAX has really kinda sucked. Does anyone have experience with both radios? and do you think LTE might penetrate the concrete at my work?
It should do better. The way i understand it, higher frequencies (Wimax being 2.5 -3.5 GHz range) are more easily deflected. Like a bouncing ball.
LTE runs at 700 MHz and does penetrate better. Like a dodgeball.
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I currently have the EVO (great phone) but I have trouble using the 4G (WIMAX), I live in a 4G area that doesn't have 4G, lol and and work I have a lot of concrete around, so 4G doesn't work there either, so I'm wondering if I should try the TB 4G on LTE, I use 3g at work no problem but its still too slow. I hardly never have the 4G turned on my EVO which Im kinda upset about, so far WIMAX has really kinda sucked. Does anyone have experience with both radios? and do you think LTE might penetrate the concrete at my work?
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Nobody can really say because we don't have a LTE phone yet. You might want to test one when they come out.
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Nobody can really say because we don't have a LTE phone yet. You might want to test one when they come out.
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Thanks I will try it and ill keep my fingers crossed.
LTE will penetrate buildings better than WiMAX. The question is whether your specific spot is in good coverage and only you can test that.
I've been ordering 4G LTE usb modems for my company's new hires and had one of the other IT guys do some bandwidth tests. (I ordered one of his new hires the 4G modem and he promptly had me switch it into his name and gave his new hire his old 3G model). Anyway, he got 4.55 Mb/s down and 3.13 Mb/s up compared to 1.75 Mb/s down and 0.53 Mb/s up on his 3G modem. This was in NYC. Indoors, but with good reception. This is very fast indeed.
LTE is vastly superior to wimax. I can write more details out later, but you can put your faith in it.
Worked on the infrastructure!
Quite simply, Wimax sucks. I can only get it downtown. I can get it for thirty seconds at my job and I can't get it at all in my home. I can't even get it if I step outside. Sprint has really dug a hole for themselves tacking on 10 dollars under the title of "Premium Data." They later tacked on a premium data charge for all smartphones; they would have been better off simply saying that they were raising prices to offset the costs of being able to provide unlimited data... These things led to Sprint having record lows on their quarterly report. Having a new Nintendo DS-like non-4G enabled phone isn't gonna help their sales much more... Making the decision to switch to Verizon to get the Thunderbolt because I will be able to get the best service. In my neighborhood, Verizon is the only carrier that gets full bars and doesn't drop calls. They charge a lot but you can't say that you don't get what you pay for. I'm certain that Verizon's LTE will be superior to Wimax. Verizon is all about having services and devices that are superior to their competition.
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Amen !
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bobbysteels216 said:
Quite simply, Wimax sucks. I can only get it downtown. I can get it for thirty seconds at my job and I can't get it at all in my home. I can't even get it if I step outside. Sprint has really dug a hole for themselves tacking on 10 dollars under the title of "Premium Data." They later tacked on a premium data charge for all smartphones; they would have been better off simply saying that they were raising prices to offset the costs of being able to provide unlimited data... These things led to Sprint having record lows on their quarterly report. Having a new Nintendo DS-like non-4G enabled phone isn't gonna help their sales much more... I making the decision to switch to Verizon to get the Thunderbolt because I will be able to get the best service. In my neighborhood, Verizon is the only carrier that gets full bars and doesn't drop calls. They charge a lot but you can't say that you don't get what you pay for. I'm certain that Verizon's LTE will be superior to Wimax. Verizon is all about having services and devices that are superior to their competition.
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Well said. The thunderbolt/Verizon is definitely ahead of the curve at this moment, and probably will be through 2011.
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LTE will penetrate buildings better than WiMAX. The question is whether your specific spot is in good coverage and only you can test that.
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Technically, its the frequency being used (700mhz vs 2.5ghz), rather than the technology (LTE vs WiMax).
Higher frequency (2.5ghz) can't travel as far (so you need more towers per square mile), and has a harder time penetrating solid objects compared to lower frequencies (700mhz).
Has anybody seen 4G expand into their city in the past 4-6 months?
I'm searching the web and can't find any evidence that they are continuing to expand their 4g. I read on a couple web sites/forums that they just need to flip a switch and their existing 4g towers will increase the area they are covering but I can't find any evidence to support that they are actually doing this.
It seems as though Wimax expansion has halted. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
-Thanks, Jack
WiMax 4G dev has come to a slow crawl due to Clearwires $$$$ problems and there new LTE test markets, Clearwire has already started its FCC approval for LTE/WiMax Modems.
For the latest Rollout Coverage News visit
http://corporate.clearwire.com/releases.cfm
Well, looks like I won't see 4G anytime soon.
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Well, looks like I won't see 4G anytime soon.
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Yep pretty much.
Nope WiMax is pretty much dead. Sprint just announced this,
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/07/28/sprint-confirms-4g-lte-deal-with-lightsquared/
Looks like there going a different route with LTE. Clearwire was a great concept but they grew too fast and overstretched themselves.
While Sprint hasn't announced anything, Clear has continued to turn on towers nationwide to avoid the FCC breathing down their necks about not using their licenses.
Best place to look for 4g coverage is www.clear.com/coverage
I think it is complete BS. I dont have 4G in my area and honestly dont think I will within the next 2 years. When I first bought the Evo 4G, I thought I would have 4G within the year. 6 months after purchase I had I feeling it would never make it here. I bought the 3D with no expectations of ever being able to use the 4G on it....it sucks, but its reality
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Nope WiMax is pretty much dead. Sprint just announced this,
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/07/28/sprint-confirms-4g-lte-deal-with-lightsquared/
Looks like there going a different route with LTE. Clearwire was a great concept but they grew too fast and overstretched themselves.
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stop jumping the gun kid... this doesnt mean jack **** for end users...
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Has anybody seen 4G expand into their city in the past 4-6 months?
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Yup, 15 days ago. See this Engadget article and click on Show Press Release. I live in one of those towns (Paramus) but unfortunately I'm on the side of town where I have no Sprint coverage and rely pretty much entirely on the free Airrave they gave me.
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Has anybody seen 4G expand into their city in the past 4-6 months?
I'm searching the web and can't find any evidence that they are continuing to expand their 4g. I read on a couple web sites/forums that they just need to flip a switch and their existing 4g towers will increase the area they are covering but I can't find any evidence to support that they are actually doing this.
It seems as though Wimax expansion has halted. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
-Thanks, Jack
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Just because Sprint doesn't show it on their coverage map doesn't mean there's none in your area. My co-worker makes it a habit to check Clear's coverage map daily. A couple months ago he noticed they had our town (40,000 people) lit up pretty well. Turned on 4G and sho' nuff I was able to connect. It shows up as Sprint and the speeds not bad. Check www.clear.com/coverage
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New Sprint 4G rollout plans
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There's going to be some major announcement this fall.
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There's going to be some major announcement this fall.
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This all sounds good, it all sounded good when Sprint's 4G first rolled out, and I bought the EVO 4G last year. So over a year later and STILL no 4G in all of SC, I mean come on.
Hell, I'd be happy with just GOOD 3g coverage, not 150 kbps crap speeds.
4g rolled out in May here, I couldn't get it inside though, noticed the other day I get a single bar inside now. Clearwire is still rolling it out. Sprint argued with me about 4g being in my area when I upgraded to the 3d.
Download sensorly from the market and use that instead.
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My question is, with this LTE announcement, what will happen with the existing 4G Phones?
A simple OTA will fix this?
When will this start?
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This all sounds good, it all sounded good when Sprint's 4G first rolled out, and I bought the EVO 4G last year. So over a year later and STILL no 4G in all of SC, I mean come on.
Hell, I'd be happy with just GOOD 3g coverage, not 150 kbps crap speeds.
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'effin A right! Last year, I switched to Sprint and got the Evo 4G with high hopes of getting 4G in my bustling college town in Central VA. Now, over a year later, I've stepped up to the 3D and still don't have reasonable 3G coverage, much less 4G. I'll stick with Sprint a while longer, but this ****'s gotta stop. Big promises only get new customers for so long before they get pissed off and leave.
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'effin A right! Last year, I switched to Sprint and got the Evo 4G with high hopes of getting 4G in my bustling college town in Central VA. Now, over a year later, I've stepped up to the 3D and still don't have reasonable 3G coverage, much less 4G. I'll stick with Sprint a while longer, but this ****'s gotta stop. Big promises only get new customers for so long before they get pissed off and leave.
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AND on top of that, Verizon rolled out their LTE here (I'm just outside Columbia, SC) and my house is in LTE coverage. A buddy of mine has a verizon work phone (droid charge, hes in columbia) he pulls 24 meg down and like 5-6 meg up, from his house. That stuff pisses me off. Sprint was first with 4G, Verizon was late to the game but they've expanded far more than Sprint ever did, and ton's faster and in my area!
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I think it is complete BS. I dont have 4G in my area and honestly dont think I will within the next 2 years. When I first bought the Evo 4G, I thought I would have 4G within the year. 6 months after purchase I had I feeling it would never make it here. I bought the 3D with no expectations of ever being able to use the 4G on it....it sucks, but its reality
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I think its still rolling, just slowly. I used to never get 4g at work, I now get it with solid signal.
I still am leaning towards the LTE being for voice over LTE. A few weeks ago they had a bunch of positions open up specifically to set up a voice over lte network, that was the whole point of the jobs.
I've been waiting on 4G since the day the OG evo came out, I bought it thinking I'd eventually have it, if not a year, then by the end of my contract.
Fast forward to today, I have an Evo 3D and still no 4G. But now the town over has 4G, and it's not the biggest or most crowded town, but what I don't understand is why they didn't turn 4G on in the metropolitan town of Springfield MA, instead of west springfield? There's gotta be way more sprint users in Springfield, and I'm there everyday.
Verizon's LTE is looking better and better everyday. If they get a superphone like the Evo 3D or the Sensation, I might just switch. Especially since Sprint can never seem to bill me properly
This is what's Going to happen.
Sprint Invested Heavily with Clearwire they own 51% + market share
Sprint Just invested in LightSquared with a 15year Deal
Clearwire has been rumored to switch to LTE when the market required it.
Dan Hesse 4g Announcement This Fall.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/19/sprint-ceo-dan-hesse-big-4g-announcements-coming-this-fall/
Clearwire Switch to LTE will be announced this Fall.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/05/06/clearwire.talks.about.lte.switchover.with.sprint/
So what does that Entail, Clearwire / Lightsquared for LTE network.
Clear to switch over current market to LTE, w/ the option of wimax as a backup.
Lightsqaured to pick up the slack in the currently missing markets to fill the void
Clearwire says that, while they aren't abandoning wimax, they plan to add LTE Advanced technologies to their existing infrastructure. LTE Advanced, or "true" 4G according to the original 4G designation, allows for download speeds of over 100Mbps.
Not sure how they plan on affording it, but more power to them. I'd love to have a phone, and 4G network, that would download at speeds that high
http://www.androidcentral.com/clearwire-announces-plans-lte-advanced-network-still-committed-wimax
beat yea by 1 min
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201167
CheesyNutz said:
beat yea by 1 min
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201167
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Hahahaha, that's what I get for thinking about what I wanted to write...
would the evo 3d pick up LTE or is it wimax only?
cope376 said:
would the evo 3d pick up LTE or is it wimax only?
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Wimax only, I'm pretty sure.
I hope they still plan on upgrading to WiMAX 2, that we will actually be able to take advantage of. If they do that and widen the channels like they were talking about we could get speeds that are close to those of LTE Advanced.
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I hope they still plan on upgrading to WiMAX 2, that we will actually be able to take advantage of. If they do that and widen the channels like they were talking about we could get speeds that are close to those of LTE Advanced.
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I hope so too. Just wondering where Clearwire is getting the money to do all this. I could have sworn that they were broke.
Clearwire is heading towards TD-LTE, later upgrading to LTE-Advanced. They are not immediately going towards the latter. Clearwire also didn't chose to use Sprint's Network Vision, short reason being negotiations tactic. Smart move though without Sprint's funding, they are not deploying this network. That subliminal jab at LS shows that they are tight about that move, so the saga continues.......
On the 2.5 frequency...smh what a waste.
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On the 2.5 frequency...smh what a waste.
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Yeah, it makes me think that the desire for "LTE" is for nothing more than marketing...cuz WiMAX and LTE on the same frequencies will yield nearly identical results in practical application. I'm a bigger fan of the WiMAX protocol since it's essentially a burly version of WiFi which itself is a very mature protocol...though in everyday use (on the same frequencies, mind you) they have essentially the same results....I'm sure high-up tech guys at Clearwire (and Sprint for that matter) know all about this...and I'd hate to think that management-bloat is so pervasive at such large companies that technical merit would lose out versus some marketoid who thinks that LTE (regardless of implementation) is obvious the thing we need--even if for nothing more than the ability to say the letters L, T and E in advertising.....but perhaps I'm being idealistic.
...but it sure seems like that. WiMAX on Verizons spectrum would spank the **** out of LTE on Sprint/Clearwire's spectrum....the protocol is nearly a moot point...but that really seems lost on these people. I mean, even as a stop-gap measure this seems utterly pointless except for marketing...
This is bullsh** for me. I just bought 3vo and its wimax and I have 4g no where near me! doubt ill ever see the good 4g life. And I live in metro detroit! Verizon has 4g everywhere!
iModMM said:
This is bullsh** for me. I just bought 3vo and its wimax and I have 4g no where near me! doubt ill ever see the good 4g life. And I live in metro detroit! Verizon has 4g everywhere!
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There is no "good 4g life".... Sprint has 4G everywhere but it can barely make it across the street...
4g is basically useless around Detroit.
Evo3D
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There is no "good 4g life".... Sprint has 4G everywhere but it can barely make it across the street...
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I have had the epic since it came out, bought this retail. And still no 4G around me at all! No where near me! Its all the way up in Grand Rapids! There is absolutely no 4G in michigan! I doubt they will have 4G where I live by end of year. And where I live everyone has sprint or verizon! A lot of sprint users! And verizon has 4g lte everywhere around me! they have it everywhere in michigan too! I read sprint has like 68 wimax markets in usa, vzw has more just in MI. SMH sprint, smh!
If people can't tell the difference between WiMax limit of 5MHz, to Clear using 20MHz towards their LTE, then this conversation is dead in the water. It's no comparison when it comes to speeds, and I was already a witness to their real life speeds. Indoor signal should be a little bit better, but 2.5MHz is 2.5MHz. As of right now, Sprint and Clearwire only have a deal on the table for WiMax, which isn't moving. They are not a part of Sprint's Network Vision, so this news doesn't have nothing to do with Sprint and it's subscribers. Sprint is still the only one who didn't officially announce the switch to LTE, and they are dealing with a broke company who can't fend for themselves. They need to completely buy Clearwire before it's too late.
Did anyone see this on bgr?
http://www.bgr.com/2012/04/17/atts-...ound-to-be-nations-fastest-wireless-services/
They basically say Sprint lags behind everyone in 3G and 4G. I personally get really good 3G speeds (>1mbps), and 4G when I can get it but it is not at my house or work. Just in between. Not wanting to be a whiner. I feel like when Sprint rolls out LTE and Network Vision everywhere we'll be back. I'm rather happy with my wireless data, but it seems we are right now missing out on a lot.
My 3g speeds are just pathetic now. They used to be decent, like in the 800 plus range at work. Now I'm lucky if I pull 100kbps. Plus I always drop in and out and even go to roaming sometimes. Please hurry up the roll out sprint.
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You guys have it made.I cant even browse facebook most days.Thats why I call it
"Sprint - The (i hope you dont need it right) Now Network.
This isn't anything new. They suck I give them 1 year. I like them a lot, just need to get their **** in order. The only reason I let them slide is price and I'm on wifi 20 hours of the day
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Sprint DOES lag behind on network speeds. Even with the upgrades they've done in my area. Things have improved, but I don't think they're anything to brag about. Even 4G wimax when I have a strong signal is pitiful. There are times I feel 4G wimax is like AT&T or T-Mobile 3G. I don't complain, really, because it's fast enough for me to get by. But... congrats on taking the red pill and waking up
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This isn't anything new. They suck I give them 1 year. I like them a lot, just need to get their **** in order. The only reason I let them slide is price and I'm on wifi 20 hours of the day
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I kind of feel like this also. In a year or so from now, I expect to have fast LTE and good 3G as a backup. If that is not the case I may go elsewhere. Allthough I hate to lose unlimited data and the other perks of being with sprint.
my 3g and now 4g speeds are pretty pathetic. 3g is 100k most of the time except in the evenings when the towers are so overloaded it drops to 1x or 3g will just timeout on everything and 4g is now down to anywhere between 200k and 500k during the evening and 1.5-2mb during the rest of the time. yet sprint continues to say theres no problems in the area lol.
This is definitely not news. My Sprint service has sucked for a while now.
I'm roaming often, and when I'm not roaming the signal is weak. When I'm lucky enough to get a good signal, 3G is still slower than dial up speeds, and 4G is slower than Verizon's 3G.
Sprint is in real trouble if they don't fix this. The only reason I am still with them is because I really do like my Evo 3D. No other carrier has a comparable phone, and I'm stuck in a contract anyway.
If Verizon got a Samsung Galaxy S 3D, I'd probably break my contract with Sprint to go to Verizon.
Who cares about unlimited data if it's practically unusable in most real world scenarios?
My city isn't even on the list of future LTE markets yet either, so I'm not holding my breath for that. I do have Wimax, but it's pretty crappy.
Sprint has totally fell off. I remember a few years ago when Sprint used to consistently be first or second in these data speed comparisons. Now I would have been shocked if they weren't picked last. And I'm sure most Sprint customers would have also been shocked if Sprint was anything but last in this most recent comparison.
Sprint has got more and more expensive over the years, and the service has got worse and worse. Not a very good outlook for the future at all.
does anybody really think sprint lte will be fast? why do they not assume it will be similar to Wimax speeds?
sprint has 3g but nobody assumes it is as fast as the competition.
rude awakening! you will be unsatisfied with lte speeds and then you will realize that Wimax wasn't the problem, SPRINT is the problem
royshero said:
This isn't anything new. They suck I give them 1 year. I like them a lot, just need to get their **** in order. The only reason I let them slide is price and I'm on wifi 20 hours of the day
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as soon as there network is upgraded... they will morph right into verizon's evil twin. price, and everything. just watch.
the only thing keeping them from not charging an ass load of money is that they are being outperformed in network capability in a lot of areas. i am fortunate to live in an area with very good 4g and 3g, so i can't complain. but man i sure feel your guys' pain with the slow network ****. that would be frustrating. it's like paying for wifi and your wifi is never working or never running fast.
cobraboy85 said:
as soon as there network is upgraded... they will morph right into verizon's evil twin. price, and everything. just watch.
the only thing keeping them from not charging an ass load of money is that they are being outperformed in network capability in a lot of areas. i am fortunate to live in an area with very good 4g and 3g, so i can't complain. but man i sure feel your guys' pain with the slow network ****. that would be frustrating. it's like paying for wifi and your wifi is never working or never running fast.
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They already aren't that much cheaper than Verizon anymore. I think last time I checked Sprint was like $5 a month cheaper or something like that. And that wasn't even factoring all the nickel and dime fees Sprint puts on there.
The only thing Sprint has on Verizon these days is unlimited data. The price isn't a big enough difference to really be a factor. And the unlimited data isn't really a factor (to me at least) if it's too slow to use. Sprint's just lucky their network went to **** after they already had me locked into a contract. And even then, I'd have probably left if I could get a phone comparable to the Evo 3D on another network.
Sprint did the same thing that AT&T when they got the iPhone...they didn't anticipate all the traffic on their network thus not preparing for it. I am holding out though. By the end of the year, a lot of us will have a great network to go with the unlimited data. And will be better than all the others.
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The problem with these anecdotal tests is they mean very little in your town. When I worked downtown, Sprint was 800kbps. Not blazing, but amazing compared to AT&Ts 20kbps or Verizons 50.
Different side of town? Sprint is 100 and not very useful. And if I drive 3 minutes away I'm getting 1100.
The best thing to do is do a speed test and get people on other carriers to do them right next to you
Saneless One said:
The problem with these anecdotal tests is they mean very little in your town. When I worked downtown, Sprint was 800kbps. Not blazing, but amazing compared to AT&Ts 20kbps or Verizons 50.
Different side of town? Sprint is 100 and not very useful. And if I drive 3 minutes away I'm getting 1100.
The best thing to do is do a speed test and get people on other carriers to do them right next to you
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Yup true I did the 4g against Verizon test he hit 11mbps I hit 10mbps the only difference was ping his was 58 while mines was 101
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Saneless One said:
The problem with these anecdotal tests is they mean very little in your town. When I worked downtown, Sprint was 800kbps. Not blazing, but amazing compared to AT&Ts 20kbps or Verizons 50.
Different side of town? Sprint is 100 and not very useful. And if I drive 3 minutes away I'm getting 1100.
The best thing to do is do a speed test and get people on other carriers to do them right next to you
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thats true, if i head to the **** side of town i can get good 3g speeds but no 4g lol. or if im around a sprint store they make sure the towers are working perfect. just some observations ive experienced here in san antonio. hell around my parents house half the time i get network busy when trying to make a call. sprint says theres no problems that the network is working as it should haha. they get all pissed when i ask them so for 200+ a month im not supposed to beable to make a phone call and have data speeds that are so ****ty it basically turns my phone into a cool looking paper weight.
I get 900kbps to burst speeds of 1.5mbps most days. Just heard from a couple of sources that I'm getting 4g in a month or two
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Didnt check 3g as Im always on 4g but you guys are right. 3g slowed down for me too. Used to get 1000+kbps now down to 700kpbs.
aznmode said:
Didnt check 3g as Im always on 4g but you guys are right. 3g slowed down for me too. Used to get 1000+kbps now down to 700kpbs.
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Yeah mine slowed down too I used to get 10 kbps now I get 5 kbps.
DarkManX4lf said:
Yeah mine slowed down too I used to get 10 kbps now I get 5 kbps.
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lol, your speeds are like mine
I'm lucky if I get 300kbps in my home area. Luckily, I found out they took down the closest tower in light of the fact of upgrading the others to network vision and haven't yet...so I complained. Until then...it's non-stop bill credits. I'm making them pay for the lack of service. I ask what I get over someone with a $50/mon prepay plan other than the fancy phone I bought...the answer? Nadda.
Pisses me off that we'll have to get new phones again to take advantage of the 4G LTE. Thanks a lot.
So how long before the other carriers follow verizons plan?...http://finance.yahoo.com/news/verizon-ditch-phone-plans-shared-120639203.html
woody296 said:
So how long before the other carriers follow verizons plan?...http://finance.yahoo.com/news/verizon-ditch-phone-plans-shared-120639203.html
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Not really sure, however, Sprint offers unlimited data, Verizon doesn't, and Verizon is still the #1 in the U.S. So, what that says, is Sprint is lacking other major areas: spotty Wimax, no 4G LTE yet, poor phone line up. My experience is Sprint offers more for less, but, that's not enough to keep people from jumping ship.
I guess what I'm getting at, is how can this really hurt Sprint any more?
The only thing hurting Sprint is their lack of a network, terrible 3G speeds, and no 4G LTE. I'm just waiting for the Rezound replacement to come out on Verizon and I'm leaving...had enough of it.
krayziejoe said:
The only thing hurting Sprint is their lack of a network, terrible 3G speeds, and no 4G LTE. I'm just waiting for the Rezound replacement to come out on Verizon and I'm leaving...had enough of it.
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I'd do the same, however, I'd blow through the data limit. I have no issues with my 3G service (although it's less than desirable in speed) or my reception (until I go in to Wal-Mart, lol!). 4G/Wimax sucks. I wouldn't be able to afford Verizon. My bill would easily increase by 50%.
I'll pay more for better service. My service sucks up here. I'm forced to use the 0002 prl. I'm switching to Verizon when the sgs3 drops.
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krayziejoe said:
The only thing hurting Sprint is their lack of a network, terrible 3G speeds, and no 4G LTE.
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I don't think we have anything to worry about. Sprint can afford to keep unlimited data because their data speeds are 5 times slower than other carriers.
Does anyone see this network vision upgrade fixing the speeds? It may help, but I doubt it will solve all the network problems.
krayziejoe said:
Does anyone see this network vision upgrade fixing the speeds? It may help, but I doubt it will solve all the network problems.
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I thought i read, and please correct me if i am wrong, if you don't have a lte device it will only help call quality, not network speed. So our crappy 3g is still going to be slow. But if you have wimax, well then you still have it to use.
I don't think Verizon's plan will harm us per say . I actually think that it will drum up a little business for Sprint with them finally having a good summer lineup of phones and being cheaper. However I believe the next year to year and a half will either make or break Sprint. I for one waited patiently for the promise of wimax now like 90% of Sprint subscribers I'm still waiting for Wimax and or waiting for LTE. There will come a time soon when I'll get tired of promises and ditch them for another network even if it costs more. I'm not a speed junky but the 2/3g towers are so overburdened it's a joke in the 12 states i've been to I've never EVER gotten more then 1.2 megs with wimax or 3g while my sister in law's crappy old og droid opens 2-3 webpages while I'm waiting on one.
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I thought i read, and please correct me if i am wrong, if you don't have a lte device it will only help call quality, not network speed. So our crappy 3g is still going to be slow. But if you have wimax, well then you still have it to use.
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ummmm no. 3g speeds will increase since network vision also includes increasing the backhaul from the current bonded t1 backhauls many sites are currently using.
I see plenty of tower upgrades nearby, but no improvement in data speeds. I think people are expecting way too much from this network vision. Sprint just doesn't have the network size/capacity or money to compete with Verizon and ATT.
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ummmm no. 3g speeds will increase since network vision also includes increasing the backhaul from the current bonded t1 backhauls many sites are currently using.
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I hope you are correct, the more i read about network vision and the different bandwidths etc the more confused i get
krayziejoe said:
I see plenty of tower upgrades nearby, but no improvement in data speeds. I think people are expecting way too much from this network vision. Sprint just doesn't have the network size/capacity or money to compete with Verizon and ATT.
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Ditto. According to the upgrade map on Sprint's site, every tower around my house has been upgraded, yet I still drop calls and get a max of 100kbps on 3g, even with full bars.
I am really struggling to find a reason to stay with Sprint. Sure it is great to have unlimited everything, but if I can't even place a phone call out of my kitchen, what's the value?
I'm waiting for the sgs3 to drop, if dev is the same for Sprint and Verizon. Then bye-bye Sprint.
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I'm glad im not the only one that feels this way. I pay $70/month for crappy service. I could be paying $80-85 and have great service. I think that's well worth the extra money.
Sprint has really dropped the ball. I got my evo 4g it was the best out. They followed with the evo 3d and was still good. Everything since then has been dissappointing. The new evo 4g lte is far from good enough to make me sign a new contract. They never even got the 4g working that well in my area, even though its supposed to be. Not signing a new contact in a few weeks when my old one is up for their broken promises
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Newklearx3 said:
I'll pay more for better service. My service sucks up here. I'm forced to use the 0002 prl. I'm switching to Verizon when the sgs3 drops.
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i switched to the 0002 prl about two days ago and it's the best thing i've ever done lol
As mentioned their plan won't hurt us because we have a crappy network. Verizon can switch things up because their network actually performs. I can't switch because of those outrages prices and I'm pretty sure I would burn through a gig of data.
From the comments I read it seems like this move by Verizon may land Sprint and ATT some customers.
verizons plan will lose out on customers and bring more to other networks as said earlier in the thread. but it really depends on where you live, alltel and sprint have the better signals around here. plus you just cant beat unlimited data