As mentioned in title... we have almost all the features that we can possibly can have in an ARC.... When will X10 ROM customization ends?...till X10 hits its hardware limitation?
That would be my guess. It is a great little device. I would say about 5 yrs max considering the hardware and what is rolling out hardware wise.
I would say 2 years at max.
I can bet that even before the end of this year we will see a lot more dual core phone like Xperio Duo and others, as the price goes even smaller this will put an end on x10 life.
Think like me, but based on the specs and speculations i've seen so far:
Xperia Duo:
12MP camera + front camera (1,2 or 2MP not sure)
Dual 1,4GHz processor(most likely able to overclock to 1,7~2GHz
Battery around 2,5AH(2500mAH), we have a 1500mAH or 1600 don't remember now.
....
We can expect to find being developed yet:
Mass storage like pen drive(connecting a pen drive in the phone directly)
Mouse, keyboard and other input stuf.
Further undervolt and overclocks.
Multitouch, real multitouch(no dual touch as it is now with axis issue)
This may be developed sooner, and only maybe...
personally i will try to continue till my X10 can bear....
although i am not official rom modder or customizer but still X10 is my device for experiments and i would continue it till i can keep it ....
however OP also need to remember he is in a developer's forum and if these developers would have thought this same thing then we would not have reached this level of customization... still a lot of juice is left in X10i.
boot loader unlocking can actually make a lot of difference...
besides that a lot of other areas have not been focused...
I would say after another year this place will be a ghost town
Related
I thought I'd ask you X10 devs/power users this:
Out of the X10 (X10a) and Motorola Milestone, which do you think is the closest to offering fully custom ROMs including custom kernels, cyanogenmod ports etc?
I understand both of these have locked bootloaders which are making this hard.
I'm looking to get a pretty quick Android device with a high-res non-Pentile screen and my choices seem limited only to devices with locked bootloaders or some other flaw... it'd be nice to at least have a bit of future-proofing.
If neither of these devices can be upgraded by the community, is it better to bet on SonyEriccson or Motorola for long term support?
From what i understand the Motorola bootloaders are "perfect" in that they are unhackable (in so much as anything can be un-hackable, incredibly impractical would be more accurate i suppose) whereas the X10 bootloader is hackable and i believe it has actually been hacked at this point, but there are issues with the kernal at the moment.
So the prospects for the x10 are good, its no guarantee but fingers crossed
Thanks for the reply.
It's a pity Motorola went that way with the Milestone (and some other recent phones). So on the one hand Motorola is likely to beat SonyEricsson in bringing out Froyo, but then with the X10 it sounds like the community might be able to step in if these kernel issues can be sorted.
Love the screen res on the X10 and Milestone by the way - I'd go for a galaxy or N1 but their Pentile screens are a step backwards, especially at a time when competition is bringing out its "retina" display. Small text is very readable indeed on the X10 while fuzzier on anything with a Pentile AMOLED.
Here's hoping the X10 gets future updates, one way or another.
I've been thinking of trading my HTC Tattoo for a Xperia X10 mini (maybe pro) what do you guys have to say?
I'd like to know what are tha main advantages/disadvantages of the mini if possible
Thanks in advance,
K.
hello,
it depends from your expectations...
why do you want exchange HTC Tattoo?
do you have any problems with it? because your phone has almost similar parameters, x10 mini has slightly better HW specifications, specially 5Mpx photo camera with autofocus and led flash is very good, better processor, but smaller battery capacity, in real life battery holds 2 days max. My record is 3 days but it was on business trip and I didn't used mobile data because of rooming, on other side I used GPS navigation and photo camera lot so it was a very good performance.
stillka said:
hello,
it depends from your expectations...
why do you want exchange HTC Tattoo?
do you have any problems with it? because your phone has almost similar parameters, x10 mini has slightly better HW specifications, specially 5Mpx photo camera with autofocus and led flash is very good, better processor, but smaller battery capacity, in real life battery holds 2 days max. My record is 3 days but it was on business trip and I didn't used mobile data because of rooming, on other side I used GPS navigation and photo camera lot so it was a very good performance.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for your reply : )
Well my major factor for choosing one is that it's one of the phones I can afford on a contract (selling my Tattoo would get me the cash needed for it) and the fact that I can have Android 2.x with working camera and fm radio (if the x10 does have one xD)
I like my Tattoo (because of its size mainly) and the mini boasts of being the smallest Android so it doesn't seem like a bad change.
My main problem with my Tattoo is that HTC dropped us at Android 1.6 without caring because of the release of the Wildfire, and because of that xda devs never were able to get their hands on camera/radio 2.x drivers therefore one has to choose between camera (crappy) and radio or 2.x apps support. Really ungrateful position to be in.
KezraPlanes said:
Thanks for your reply : )
Well my major factor for choosing one is that it's one of the phones I can afford on a contract (selling my Tattoo would get me the cash needed for it) and the fact that I can have Android 2.x with working camera and fm radio (if the x10 does have one xD)
I like my Tattoo (because of its size mainly) and the mini boasts of being the smallest Android so it doesn't seem like a bad change.
My main problem with my Tattoo is that HTC dropped us at Android 1.6 without caring because of the release of the Wildfire, and because of that xda devs never were able to get their hands on camera/radio 2.x drivers therefore one has to choose between camera (crappy) and radio or 2.x apps support. Really ungrateful position to be in.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
in this case, x10 mini is good for you
Go for the Mini mate
The Mini is the best phone I've had so far and believe me I've had a LOT... you wont regret buying it (it won an award for being the best phone for 2010 and 2011 which you probably know) its on android 2.1, it runs games fast @ 43FPS! for example runs Angry birds great but on the Hero which I had it lagged (23FPS on the Hero) and PSX4droid runs pretty great too =]
I have Apps2SD enabled, installed about 70+ apps/games (most of the big games work perfectly e.g. Pocket Legends, Fifa 10, Fruit Ninja etc) whereas normally without Apps2SD you wouldn't be able to get more than 4-5 big games on it.. so yeah
Do the wise thing and get the damn thing!!
PS. The disadvantage is that it has no Multi-touch but afaik that may change soon
I can also vouch for the x10 mini pro, and I too came from having a tattoo. The x10 is as good as technically and id argue better than the tattoo and I can tell you I wouldnt be writing this on my tatoo but I am happily on my mini pro
www.soundcloud.com/auralflex
Thanks for all the replies guys ^^ You've all ben very helpful =P
Ok i got some money, i long time ago thinking change my x10 to ...
Now my x10i running on 2.3 v3 thx to Wolfbreak Im really appreciate this. Thx
Now im thinking between buying an ARC - mainly cause of the HDMI, and Sony- and SGSII -hardware capability- I read some article, post about challenging the 2 phone. And now stuck so many pros and cons on both side.
So which 1 you choose: stay with x10i, SGSII, ARC (optionaly Xplay? )
I'd stick to x10i for now because with wolf's 2.3.3 it really is pretty fast and stable, thus making it a good phone that can compete with most newer phones running on stock roms.
I don't know how things are in hungary, but here you usually get the best deals around christmas time and new stuff will be released continuously until then, I'd say lay low, read the news about upcoming handsets and make your decision then.
It all depends on what are your expectations from a smartphone and what u use it for mainly.
The X10 with 2.3 is a good phone imo and i'm pretty astisfied with it.
The Arc is an improved X10 - better screen / camera / performance ; but it's rly not that different.
The SGS II is in a total different cathegory with it's dual-core processor , but unless u are rly into opening apps in 1ms and stuff like that u won't notice such a big difference between ARC and SGS II.
The Play i would recommend only if u are a heavy gamer
U can just keep the X10 for now and w8 for the next generation of smartphones (maby quad-core or who nows )
It all comes down to what u use the phone for and what are your expectations D:
man!
there's no comparison between X10i, arc and SGS2 !
X10i is now outdated but still good for basic functionality,
if you can afford don't look at Arc, go for SGS2, its a Rocket, and you won't disappoint with its quality and features!
SGS2 is good but bad screen quality cause the type if screen it does. I will recommend you buy the Arc:
- 16 million colors but I don't think you eyes can process all colors at once.
- The camera sensor and front camera.
- The launcher is very beautiful and I don't want to look at the SGS2 cause the such ugly launcher.
- Bootloader unlocked and If you want TouchQuiz, you will have (I don't know exactly how boot loader works but as I know from HTC announcement that you can install other ROM from other device on your Arc. (Maybe SamSung does)
- etc.
But I don't think it's good ideo to compare X10 to these 2 phones and I think you know why. Brilliant.
csjhun said:
Ok i got some money, i long time ago thinking change my x10 to ...
Now my x10i running on 2.3 v3 thx to Wolfbreak Im really appreciate this. Thx
Now im thinking between buying an ARC - mainly cause of the HDMI, and Sony- and SGSII -hardware capability- I read some article, post about challenging the 2 phone. And now stuck so many pros and cons on both side.
So which 1 you choose: stay with x10i, SGSII, ARC (optionaly Xplay? )
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you have to, buy a sammy 2, if not, dont buy any and wait
jus wait wid x10 after wolf's 2.3 even i stopped my plan to buy a new one ..will wait until sony launches it dual core ...love the arc launcher though !!!
anyways else go for HTC Evo 4g or Sensation 4G
Don't rush to buy now. Everybody insists on the difference of the phones HOWEVER, that's better is about to come.
There are rumors by Eldar, the russian blogger, that Samsung wants to put out even a better phone - ahead of Iphone 5 (and that's why the law suit etc).
So instead of paying now and then in 2-3 months already a new one is on the market, please stick with X10 and then you upgrade afterwards.
The trouble with SG2 is the 3 second lag and the interface freezes from time to time, and depending on your (bad) luck, you might get one which has problems with the screen. Arc is still Sony, has house cracking issues, check online ...
Wolf just release a mod without FPS cap and no audio lag for X10.
So just hang in there
sgs2 is by far the best out of your choices...
anyone who says otherwise is an se fanboy.
Sgs2 and Arc are awesome but you should stick.with the x10(its not THAT far behind) cause by the end of the year i bet there will be new improved models and you have time to save more money
Sent from my x10a"i"(running 2.3.3 root)
I need to recommend a phone to my 20 year old cousin sister. I had recommended Ace but its low RAM puts me off. All the Sony phones S15, S17 and W17 are having similar price. Would you recommend these over Ace? Which one?
I have to put a stable ROM for her and she will not be messing with such things. She needs good music, facebook and playing games like Angry Birds.
Sent from my GT-I9003 using Tapatalk
jesrani said:
I need to recommend a phone to my 20 year old cousin sister. I had recommended Ace but its low RAM puts me off. All the Sony phones S15, S17 and W17 are having similar price. Would you recommend these over Ace? Which one?
I have to put a stable ROM for her and she will not be messing with such things. She needs good music, facebook and playing games like Angry Birds.
Sent from my GT-I9003 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Its all depend on how she is.
sk17 (mini pro) have hw keyboard and front camera, w17 and st17 doesnt have both of it.
But, st17 have dust and water resistant but since your cousin is 'SHE', then i dont thnik that features is a big plus for her (except if she is the type of active and doing a lot of outdoor activities).
I would recommend sk17 (mini pro) (if she doesnt care on how thick and thin it is for all the additional features it has)
I would recommend wt17 (active) if she doing a lot of outdoor activities and would like to have some devices that can stand some heavy situation and doesnt care about having hw keyboard for fast typing and front camera for skype etc.
for wt19 (live) ,all are the same with sk17 (mini pro) and st15 (mini) (cpu, ram, gpu etc) but it has slightly larger screen but with lower density. However, the overall design of it might catch her attention.
feed3 said:
Its all depend on how she is.
sk17 (mini pro) have hw keyboard and front camera, w17 and st17 doesnt have both of it.
But, st17 have dust and water resistant but since your cousin is 'SHE', then i dont thnik that features is a big plus for her (except if she is the type of active and doing a lot of outdoor activities).
I would recommend sk17 (if she doesnt care on how thick and thin it is for all the additional features it has)
I would recommend st17 if she doing a lot of outdoor activities and would like to have some devices that can stand some heavy situation and doesnt care about having hw keyboard for fast typing and front camera for skype etc.
for w17,all are the same with sk and st17 (cpu, ram, gpu etc) but it has slightly larger screen but with lower density. However, the overall design of it might catch her attention.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
WT19i/a has got front camera
Sent from WT19i using Tapatalk
I think the Xperia Ray is the best for a girl, thin, beautyful with a high resolution screen, and there's also the pink one
XperianPro said:
WT19i/a has got front camera
Sent from WT19i using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ermmm.. i think i give out the correct info tho. Maybe you misread what i posted. We are talking about wt17 (xperia active) not xperia live with walkman a.k.a wt19
EDIT: oppss.. i DID mistype in above post. not st17, its wt17 LOL Has been too long in front of computer..
Ask your sis if there are any features or apps that she really wants because there are a couple of major differences between the Ace and the SE phones - most notably, the later Xperias are already running Android Gingerbread and will soon be updated to Ice Cream Sandwich (the latest version of Android) and they support Flash - which the Ace doesn't. In case you don't know, without Flash she will be unable to use a lot of really good sites and content - such as online TV. It is possible to hack the Ace to use an older version of Flash but it's not very good and certainly not good enough for anything like watching TV.
The Ace is a decent iphone-look-a-like - the SE phones don't copy that styling. That's a plus-point for me - I love the SK17i for being different from everyone else's phone.
The Ace has a good sized screen - but the resolution is no greater and it's not a particularly good quality screen - TFT and sometimes a bit lacking in contrast and image quality. The SE phones have superb picture quality but the smaller screens (like the mini and mini pro) may be off putting for some people.
I had a Sammy and the Xperia Mini Pro in quick succession (cos the Samsung packed in after less than a week) and they are both good but the Xperia is a much better phone for the money - looks good, sounds great, superb processor (matches many dual-core in real-world use), terrific picture quality, solid build, excellent ongoing support from SE, full Flash support, ICS on the way.
Going to Android market highlighted the additional features of the SE phones - very few apps say "not suitable for your phone" with the SE thanks to the Flash support and fast processor.
The only major criticism I have of the Xperias is that the cameras are terrible - either through hardware or software, they take all-but unusable pictures considering the claimed resolution - massively over-processed and appallingly low quality in anything other than bright light. Some people have reported sound interference when recording videos on some Xperias - that has supposedly been cured on newer phones but might be worth reading around if video recording is important to your sister.
SE's user forums are very good - plenty of input from SE themselves. Also, they are well laid out and easy to use. Samsung's are a bit of a mess - hard to find anything. SE's product pages are also very good - plenty of genuinely useful information and videos to help you find your way around the phone - Samsung's site is more like a big advert with little practical detail or advice.
One other possible negative for the SE phones - depending on your situation. SE use non-standard headphone sockets which annoys some people. They are usually fine with normal headphones but won't always work with headsets that have built-in microphones.
Basic apps on both Samsung and SE are decent. Both include some junk but I'd say that SE have less garbage that can't be removed (though that may vary of you buy from a service provider). Overall though, since these are android phones, it's so easy to add apps that it's not a big deal.
SE's support software is miles better than Samsungs. Samsung's software is bug-ridden and unstable - SE's is easy to use and reliable offering some nice features like the ability to quickly re-install the same software if the phone play up or is getting sluggish.
I really liked the main screen layout on the Samsung - I'm not so keen on the SE screen with those corners (really just folders that you are forced to use if you don't want to lose real-estate - I wish there was a simple way to switch them off). Even so, it's easy to install and use GO or one of the other launchers to get around any such niggles.
The Samsungs have one feature I really miss - proper controls in the pull-down menu to directly switch features like wi-fi without going into menus. There are a few apps available for the SE's to mimic that but they mostly just provide a shortcut to the menus so are nowhere near as useful.
Samsung's task manager is easy to use. SE don't really have but they claim that their software handles memory so well that the user doesn't need to do it manually.
Samsungs DNLA support is excellent and simple thanks to their ready-made applications - just install "All Share" on your PC and it's all but automatic. SE phones take more work to get anywhere near that stage.
There seems to be a lot more happening with the Samsungs when it comes to custom roms and mods. That may attract some people - others may see it as evidence that more SE owners are happy with the phone as it is. To me, it seems to be largely down to the fact that the SE's already have the later version of Android making many of the tweaks unneccesary. Also, just based on reading through the XDA forums, it appears that it is easier to recover the SE phones if something goes wrong when tweaking - a hell of a lot of people are bricking their Samsungs because it's all too easy to lose the imei data when tinkering with them. On the SE phones, most phones are "cured" simply by using the SE support software to reflash the phone (probably not a big deal for your sister but nice to know that it's so easy to repair a corrupted phone if something goes wrong)
Last point - the males who have seen my Mini Pro think it looks odd because they all have iphone-clones and no imagination - the girls all love it for the size and looks (I'm talking the phone )
@pengipete, thanks for the detailed answer. It seems worth to buy the SE over Samsung.
Now the last question is which model to select, ST15, SK17 or WT19. I am inclined to tell her to buy the Walkman phone.
Sent from my GT-I9003 using Tapatalk
i would recommend SK17i, because it looks cute with slideout-keyboard equipped.. and it suitable for girl
Any of those will give her a good quality phone which will not be out-dated too quickly. The Mini is great for being so small, the Mini Pro has the physical keyboard (which is very usable and a major plus-point on such a small phone) and the Walkman looks good and has the better quality speakers.
Best advice I'd give - if the prices are pretty similar or price is irrelevant - ask her which she likes knowing that any of them will be a good phone. It's really just down to looks and her personal taste.
My own preference is the Mini Pro but the world would be a boring place if we all liked the same thing.
You really won't need to do much about the ROM - SE seem to be turning out very stable, usable roms already. Just sort her out a few decent apps and budget for a decent sized SD card if she's going to want to store a lot of music.
Best of luck - and I hope she appreciates you looking after her like this
Hi all!
First of all I wish to thanks in advance for any of you who may stop by, and provide some tips, experience
regarding the next matter, advice request:
My context is that I am completely noob regarding choosing android phone.
I want to get my first one, but a low budget, and I thought about Sony Xperia Tipo, cause it uses Android ICS,
and its hardware specs are some better than comparing to others of similar budget as LG Optimus L3, Samsung Galaxy Mini
( phonearena.com/phones/compare/LG-Optimus-L3,Samsung-GALAXY-mini,Sony-Xperia-tipo/phones/6941,5147,7151 )
I already discarded going for Vodafone Smart II, cause after reading its thread in XDA (around 30 pages), despite it was posible
to be rooted at first, in 1 month the new versions have been capped by cel companies (the recovery, the fastboot etc), at least for Spain, Portugal versions, therefore the customization is getting quite impossible, or very random depending the version, the cel company, ...
I think the main problem it is that this Xperia Tipo has been released quite very recently,
and after been searching through forum about info for rooting the Xperia Tipo, I can't find any info about it :S.
So my 2 questions are:
- it is expected that Xperia Tipo will be rooted in a near future ( and therefore customizable with
ROMs ...) ?
- Taking in count any answer to this question, would you suggest to go for it,
or by other hand go for Samsung Galaxy Mini (despite it has worse HW, Android GingerBread,
BUT it has quite plenty support for rooting and flashing with custom ROMs) ?
Again thanks in advance for any advice, and excuse the long post! )
Cheers!
ive used this phone after recomending it for someone else. Its a great cheap ICS phone dont expect it to be really fast or to play excellant games but it is really good for the price under £100!!!. would i recomend it to someone else after using it YES!!!! just remember to clear the apps your not using from the RAM by pressing the Home key and holding it and swiping it to close it so it doesnt get laggy.
as for root im not a dev but im safley sure it will be rooted in the future as its got a SD card slot so its easier to install CWM recovery etc.
BUT it is new out and dont expect it to happen any time soon i have the Xperia U and thats been out ages now and i still dont have root it just takes time for the devs to get the phones and then to start work on them.
hope it helped
djpigz said:
ive used this phone after recomending it for someone else. Its a great cheap ICS phone dont expect it to be really fast or to play excellant games but it is really good for the price under £100!!!. would i recomend it to someone else after using it YES!!!! just remember to clear the apps your not using from the RAM by pressing the Home key and holding it and swiping it to close it so it doesnt get laggy.
as for root im not a dev but im safley sure it will be rooted in the future as its got a SD card slot so its easier to install CWM recovery etc.
BUT it is new out and dont expect it to happen any time soon i have the Xperia U and thats been out ages now and i still dont have root it just takes time for the devs to get the phones and then to start work on them.
hope it helped
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the tip!
Being cheap phone is ok, in fact that is what I seek for, a low budget phone as a start point, looking for customization.
Well, I could get that Xperia Tipo for £48, while the Samsung Galaxy Mini would cost £32. HW (CPU, inbuilt mem, display res) difference and phone release date diff, explain the price difference, hehe.
I was tempted to get Vodafone Smart II (for £48, I think), but atfer reading this whole thread forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1722811 , I found that it is a lottery, if I could get it rooted or not :S
My main doubt is if going for Samsung Galaxy Mini cause its great support in matters of rooting and customization, or expect that Xperia Tipo will get some nice support here in XDA, in the future ...
A third choice could be LG Optimus L3 which has worse display res, same price as Xperia Tipo, and it has some support here at forum for rooting and ROMs.
Regarding your Xperia U, I think there is quite nice support in this site, forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1728 , so you mention you still having probs to root it ?
I have just returned my Tipo today due to very poor reception. If you just want a phone to make calls and send texts then it should be more than adequate but if you are going to use it for browsing or games I would find something with a stronger processor as it can be very laggy after using it a while - even in menus. However the touchscreen is responsive and the display should be OK for making calls and texting but I found it very washed out when viewing pics etc. On my particular handset I could hear electrical interference through the headphones but this could be related to my reception fault I guess. If you can I advise you try it out before making a decision - if ur in the UK o2 shops usually have all there the phones on display switched on. If music is important to you the sound quality is very budget. Also the camera has no flash or autofocus. Tbh if it wasn't for the Sony xperia branding on the front I would have though this was a cheap chinese no-name handset as Sony really have cut costs on this one.
I can't comment on the Samsung but I have read bad things about the lg. Have you considered the Motosmart from Motorola. It has a similar spec to the tipo but at least the camera has a flash and its root able (running gingerbread)
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app
I bought this phone a week ago. It's very nice for the price!. It isn't laggy, It has plenty of ram. Obviously it isn't so fast as would be needed for a device to play games,and doesn't have a big screen (or an hires one) if you have to surf the web a lot, but handles with no problems at all divx streaming from my pc, using mx-player. It's clearly better than vodafone smart_II and my device hasn't reception problems at all. The battery (this is a good point in my opinion) it's 1500mah just better than the usual 1200mah used in low-end devices
The camera can make decent photos but hasn't flash or aufocus at all & no front camera just like all the cheap phones.
BTW i think it's one of the best ICS devices avaiable here in Italy for about 150€.
I tried samsung galaxy mini too and this experia is a lot better in my opninion.
I have been using the mobile for more than a month... It's perfect .. Go for it... It is the best in the range... I do use it a lot and it has held up against everything... Custom ROM will be available veeeeeeeeeeeery soon... It is already rooted...
Sent from my ST21i using xda app-developers app
[help] firmware flash
my boot loader is unlocked and my device is stuck at boot with single vibration .
i need to install firmware but its get aborted everytime with an error
ERROR - ERR_SEVERITY="MAJOR";ERR_CODE="0019";ERR_DYNAMIC=" SIN header verification failed";
please help