Wondering if the Snapdragon SoC can do a better job than the Tegra2. Has anybody tested some high profile 1080p?
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On sensation all my HD 1080p videos played with no problem
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On sensation all my HD 1080p videos played with no problem
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Even 1080p [email protected]? If that's the case, my coming Touchpad will get a lot more usage than I expected
Thanks.
1080p flash works well on the sensation but not on the pad
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Wondering if the Snapdragon SoC can do a better job than the Tegra2. Has anybody tested some high profile 1080p?
Thanks.
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i think it`s just software limitation.
also the cpu @ 1.2ghz is underclocked. it can run up to 1.5ghz without any problem.
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Qualcomm gets official with TouchPad-powering Snapdragon APQ8060 processor
By Donald Melanson posted Feb 10th 2011 1:31PM
HP already put out the first official word about Qualcomm's new Snapdragon APQ8060 processor yesterday when it revealed that its TouchPad was based on it, but Qualcomm's now also come out and properly announced the new processor itself. That's, of course, a dual-core processor, and comes paired with an Adreno 220 GPU that Qualcomm says helps to deliver "unprecedented processing and 3D graphics performance." What's more, while the TouchPad is the first device to use the processor, it obviously won't be the last, and Qualcomm has now also given us an idea of what sort of capabilities those devices (including smartphones in addition to tablets) might have -- namely, cameras up to 16 megapixels, and the ability to capture and display 1080p stereoscopic 3D video or 8 megapixel stereoscopic still images. Head on past the break for the complete press release.
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Why do people go nuts over thing like this? i really dont get it.. unless its just so they dont have to re-encode anything... but what the point of running a 1080p video on a screen that is only 1024x768? when you do this you are making the processor work harder scaling it down.. there for using more battery..
if its just for easy of use.. thats one thing.. just copy and go.. or if the touchpad had a video out port (that would be SWEEETT!!)
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Why do people go nuts over thing like this? i really dont get it.. unless its just so they dont have to re-encode anything... but what the point of running a 1080p video on a screen that is only 1024x768? when you do this you are making the processor work harder scaling it down.. there for using more battery..
if its just for easy of use.. thats one thing.. just copy and go.. or if the touchpad had a video out port (that would be SWEEETT!!)
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Calm down. Why do people think it's their job to tell others what to want? First of all, nobody's going nuts here. Secondly, you're right. I don't want to reencode my tv shows just to watch then delete. Third and last, i don't care about battery when im on my bed and want to something.
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Calm down. Why do people think it's their job to tell others what to want? First of all, nobody's going nuts here. Secondly, you're right. I don't want to reencode my tv shows just to watch then delete. Third and last, i don't care about battery when im on my bed and want to something.
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sorry i didnt mean to imply that anyone here was going nuts over it.. but there was quite a... debate.. over the issue on the nook forums about it.. people calling it a POS because it couldnt do 1080p ect.. people were even complaining that even tho they were already having to re-encode there videos to get them to play on the nook.. they were having to re-encode them to 800x480 instead of the more 'common' format of 1280x720
I understand. There was a big ordeal with the Tegra 2 and high-profile h264, but it is an issue that needs to be addressed. Anyhow, it LOOKS like this 3rd-gen Snapdragon chip is a better decoder. Will try it myself when I get my Touchpad. Wonder if there's a HW-decoding player for webOS though.
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I understand. There was a big ordeal with the Tegra 2 and high-profile h264, but it is an issue that needs to be addressed. Anyhow, it LOOKS like this 3rd-gen Snapdragon chip is a better decoder. Will try it myself when I get my Touchpad. Wonder if there's a HW-decoding player for webOS though.
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try this player KalemSoft Media Player
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try this player KalemSoft Media Player
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Does not look like this software is hardware decoding because even 720p h264 mkv are lagging.
No it isn't. It transcodes the files. Somebody needs to write a player that will do hardware decoding. This soc is technically as good as the ipad2. I would be more than happy to pay for such app.
I know this isn't exactly what is being asked, but just to add I played some HD videos from Vimeo yesterday and they worked really well.
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I know this isn't exactly what is being asked, but just to add I played some HD videos from Vimeo yesterday and they worked really well.
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Vimeo is more HQ than HD imo
From using touch player on the device (which is built off of ffmpeg), I can tell you that even 720p will lag a little (but still playable). I highly doubt 1080 will be. Besides, how much do you think you are going to fit onto it with nothing but 1080p shows? 2 seasons of the simpsons @ 720p took up nearly 16gb.
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From using touch player on the device (which is built off of ffmpeg), I can tell you that even 720p will lag a little (but still playable). I highly doubt 1080 will be.
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Touchplayer is a software-decoding player. We need hardware!
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Touchplayer is a software-decoding player. We need hardware!
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Start developing it
There doesn't exist anything else for touchpad as far as I know.
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Start developing it
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That would take too long. First I have to learn how to code lol. I wish somebody would take advantage of the fire sale and make such software. There's gotta be like 1/4 a million Touchpads out there right?
I'd consider it, but I don't think there's much of a market for selling it on the touchpad. Besides the fact android will be on it soon.
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I'd consider it, but I don't think there's much of a market for selling it on the touchpad. Besides the fact android will be on it soon.
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Perhaps, but I wonder if Android performance will take a hit as a port.
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Anyone more think that all the video samples are choppy like the phone can't maintain the framerate and worse in quality than I4?
Looked great to me. Didn't see any chop.
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Anyone more think that all the video samples are choppy like the phone can't maintain the framerate and worse in quality than I4?
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first, i'm see it ok, no double frame & stutter when recording , second, since when the I4 can record at 1080p? if you want to compare, compare with 720p recording for SGS2, i'm sure SGS2 better then I4...
Yea I see some stutters... I dunno if it's just because of early software or youtube compression or whatever. First of all this is 1080p, so you can't really compare it to the iPhone's 720p.
The only way to check for exact output is to download and analyze the file outputed by the phone itself, as youtube is notorious for compressing and decreasing framerates to decrease size.
So far I have seen nothing but great opinions in reviews as far as 1080 recording go...
And as many have said rotten-apple company phone does not do anything better than 720.
They seem fine to me as well. Perhaps check that your Graphics card can play back that resolution.
Not criticizing you, just merely stating the obvious.
Seems awesome to me, never thought a phone could record like that, if you're on Mac or Linux don't forget Flash can sometimes be awful on these OS.
I am on a Mac and it looks fantastic here.
The video quality is smooth and crisp. If you pause it, you can actually clearly see license plates.
Wow, what crappy video from a phone.
If I were you I wouldn't buy it.
Saving the stock for yourself there?
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Wow, what crappy video from a phone.
If I were you I wouldn't buy it.
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Irony? If not, which phone do you have ?
of course it will be not like canon or nikon whatever cameras
its a smartphone .. with a camera and capable of recording 1080p @30fps .. not bad
dont expect too much from a phone
if u want a pro camera go buy one .. like canon vixia hf20
Yes total sarcasm.
I watched the video and I honestly could not see what the guy is talking about.
The video looks flippin great. And seeing the latest bench marks on the phone I very happy I passed up the Atrix not to mention that the Atrix is locked up tighter than a drum.
Oh, OK. It's always difficult to know whether it's sarcasm or not when it's written and not spoken.
LOL... OP works for apple.
Choppy video???! Where!?
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LOL... OP works for apple.
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Hmm i dont see any choppy video anywhere! and considering that the video is this good from a pre production model, i cant wait to see what the retail unit can do
There is no denying that the video is choppy. Thats a shame, hope the finished product is better. Some here are saying its only a phone so don't expect too much, but the iphone 4 has smooth video recording and so too does the 3GS. I think we've come to expect better.
just use 720p and you ll be fine...
Remember that these videos have been uploaded to Youtube and been encoded by Google again. If you actually go to Keepvid.com and download the video at full 1080 and watch it in VLC, they look gorgeous.
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Thats not the solution.
If they sold the phone as 1080p 30fps, it should be 1080p 30fps that it is SMOOTH video not skippy one.
Will the SC2 handle 720p High Profile MVK's (Exynos CPU) .. I know from the tegra 2 can't and chokes on the content that a JB ipad with XBMC plays
I think it does, I downloaded the latest episode of fringe (1gig in size) which is 720p high profile. Plays without a hitch. Wont play at all on my HD2 and wouldnt on my tegra tablet either. (or ipad using VLC player)
it even plays 1080p high profile, albeit you cannot use seek or it just hangs, if you just start the movie and let it play it plays fine and in sync, tested this on a 2 gig episode of band of brothers 1080p high profile.
and this is before any optimisations by any media player makers, the phone has the potential to blow everything else out of the water, not even the IPAD 2 can play my copies of fringe, just stutters.
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It'll play 720p and 1080p without breaking a sweat until you've used it you won't realise just how powerful this processor actually is. It's even more of beast if you're willing to use to 1.5ghz kernel that's available
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It'll play 720p and 1080p without breaking a sweat until you've used it you won't realise just how powerful this processor actually is. It's even more of beast if you're willing to use to 1.5ghz kernel that's available
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Thanks guys .. Now i just hope that they release the Exynos CPU version in Japan
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Thanks guys .. Now i just hope that they release the Exynos CPU version in Japan
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Can't you just import one even if they don't? I have no idea what bands Japan use or anything though to be honest. Are they the same as the UK? Glad to help btw
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Can't you just import one even if they don't? I have no idea what bands Japan use or anything though to be honest. Are they the same as the UK? Glad to help btw
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The bands are the same for DoCoMo and Softbank however DoCoMo filters the IMEI so you can't use a non docomo handset without paying extra
Softbank don't use filters however their service is poor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP6qW5oWxfI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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This is impressive no mather how you look at it!
Not really a must see, the thread title pretty much sums it up. Did you really have to make the video over 6 minutes long?
Made me motion sick in 15 sec flat....you need to learn how to hold the camera still
Why does it sometimes say that the videos I try to play "are not optimized for mobile"? These videos stutter like hell. Is that caused by flash player on my phone or is it just the video or site?
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Haha that is great. I now wonder about 4 x 1080p.
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Why does it sometimes say that the videos I try to play "are not optimized for mobile"? These videos stutter like hell. Is that caused by flash player on my phone or is it just the video or site?
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I think that means YouTube hasn't converted them to the right format to play fluidly on mobile devices. This would imply that what you're seeing on your SGS2 is a different video file to what Mr Average Joe would get on his laptop - YouTube still has to help the mobile players more than the desktop players!
i love watching 4 videos at the same time
The limit is about playing GoldenEye 007 on N64oid... that really stresses the device
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Not really a must see, the thread title pretty much sums it up. Did you really have to make the video over 6 minutes long?
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The limit is about playing GoldenEye 007 on N64oid... that really stresses the device
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I seriously hope that is sarcasm......
nice but i will never watch four video's at the same time
The best money i ever spend on a device was SII!
Awesome. Thanks Pachi.
I'm proud because I'm own this phone. I think is powerfull phone at the moment. Also I did some picture today with phone and with sony 12 mp camera. Just to compare, very nice picture took with phone. Before this phone I had htc desire hd and optimus 2x, both 8mp camera. But picture on sgs2 is much better. This is my opinion.
So now the evo 3d has been succesfully rooted, could it be possible to get 1080p recording on the EVO 3D??
I would like to know as well.
Based on the performance of 720p recording I don't think I'd even want to see how choppy 1080 would look. The SoC is indeed very capable of handling it but I think it is limited based on storage write limitations not to mention the sensor's lighting conditions. Even if we could write 24fps (def not 30fps) in all but perfect lighting we wouldn't even be getting 24fps from the sensor...likely under 10 most of the time based on how 720p recordings average out.
...but then again I could (hopefully) be very wrong.
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Based on the performance of 720p recording I don't think I'd even want to see how choppy 1080 would look. The SoC is indeed very capable of handling it but I think it is limited based on storage write limitations not to mention the sensor's lighting conditions. Even if we could write 24fps (def not 30fps) in all but perfect lighting we wouldn't even be getting 24fps from the sensor...likely under 10 most of the time based on how 720p recordings average out.
...but then again I could (hopefully) be very wrong.
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i think you might speak the truth there is a reason HTC didnt include this, after all.
Yes we have all the hardware capable of doing so, I'm sure it will get implemented in many upcoming roms. 720p recording is just bad programming on HTC's fault. We will get it ironed out .
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Yes we have all the hardware capable of doing so, I'm sure it will get implemented in many upcoming roms. 720p recording is just bad programming on HTC's fault. We will get it ironed out .
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I tend to agree..unless it is a sensor limitation..obviously the soc is capable of it since the sensation does it very well..I believe most issues that ppl have with photos/videos is software related..I actually like the video quality that I achieve with my e3d..and sound recording is much improved over It's predecessor
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I tend to agree..unless it is a sensor limitation..obviously the soc is capable of it since the sensation does it very well..I believe most issues that ppl have with photos/videos is software related..I actually like the video quality that I achieve with my e3d..and sound recording is much improved over It's predecessor
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I have a $99 point-n-shoot that does 720p video that mops the floor with what I can get from my E3D.
Considering it's a cellphone, yes it takes fantastic video. However if we are going to rationalize the video quality with the qualifier "for a cellphone" then wouldn't we do the same and just agree that 720p is enough "for a cellphone"?
I do a lot of video work at my job and one thing I have seen personally and from everyone that has to review and approve my work....most people won't notice a lower resolution but people will most certainly notice lower frame rate, especially below 24fps. Lower resolution with perfectly smooth video wins over a lot more people than a super sharp super high resolution video with less than ideal frame rate. I'd prefer someone gets a rock-solid 30fps fix in place before or instead of a 1080p recording resolution...
...but that's just me.
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I have a $99 point-n-shoot that does 720p video that mops the floor with what I can get from my E3D.
Considering it's a cellphone, yes it takes fantastic video. However if we are going to rationalize the video quality with the qualifier "for a cellphone" then wouldn't we do the same and just agree that 720p is enough "for a cellphone"?
I do a lot of video work at my job and one thing I have seen personally and from everyone that has to review and approve my work....most people won't notice a lower resolution but people will most certainly notice lower frame rate, especially below 24fps. Lower resolution with perfectly smooth video wins over a lot more people than a super sharp super high resolution video with less than ideal frame rate. I'd prefer someone gets a rock-solid 30fps fix in place before or instead of a 1080p recording resolution...
...but that's just me.
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Oh I'm not.disagreeing with that..id much rather have a smooth 720 p video than a choppy 1080p. I dont think any phone does 1080p justice..I'm totally fine with 720 I was just commenting on the possibility of it being able to be done on our phones..imo 720p still needs Alot of work . Btw didn't u send u e3d back? Are u gonna get it back since root or are u hold out for the gs2
I agree id rather have smooth recording becore a higher choppy Resolution.
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The o3d does 1080p in 30fps since the firmware update
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Based on the performance of 720p recording I don't think I'd even want to see how choppy 1080 would look. The SoC is indeed very capable of handling it but I think it is limited based on storage write limitations not to mention the sensor's lighting conditions. Even if we could write 24fps (def not 30fps) in all but perfect lighting we wouldn't even be getting 24fps from the sensor...likely under 10 most of the time based on how 720p recordings average out.
...but then again I could (hopefully) be very wrong.
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I think the sensor may be capable of 1080p @30fps, not completely sure though.
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Oh I'm not.disagreeing with that..id much rather have a smooth 720 p video than a choppy 1080p. I dont think any phone does 1080p justice..I'm totally fine with 720 I was just commenting on the possibility of it being able to be done on our phones..imo 720p still needs Alot of work . Btw didn't u send u e3d back? Are u gonna get it back since root or are u hold out for the gs2
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Yeah, I could only take 2 weeks of the EVEN WEAKER NS4G radio...I'm back...though SGS2 is still a possibility and the nPrime is for certain.
The 720P has really impressed me so far. I even tried it out at night a few times, including moving it with quick movements in my car, and I didn't see any blurring or chop. I did find out that every so often I might get some chop on playback, but it was due to a hanging app, and restarting the device solved that problem.
Wasn't 1080p advertised when not using 3d?
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The Evo 4G+ Is practically the Evo3d and its got 1080p recording in its release specs..But so did our 3D before release.
I personally don't see the need for 1080p recording,the software sucks and doesn't even do 720p very good.I leave it on qHD resolution.
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I thoughts so
sent from my DAMN 3D!!
When I started using my Droid X2 I notice I could not play most of my MP4 files with hardware decoding. (I use MX Video Player which clearly shows you if it is hardware decode.) Using software, the phone is not fast enough to play back 720p or higher.... Even the Droid X had better hardware support as it could play back most of my 480p MP4 files in hardware.
I know the DX2 can play back its own 720p/30fps video files flawlessly and in hardware, so there had to be something going on.
So I dug into what's going on and it turns out the Tegra 2 has a pretty bad video decoder in it. (Thanks for nothing NVidia......) Even the old Hummingbird single core chip in the Galaxy S can do much better!
What I have found is on our phone we can only playback video using the Baseline profile. This is the worst quality profile and pretty much everything out there uses High Profile. (And sometimes Main profile.) Baseline is the easiest to encode and decode -- but really it's not used much anymore because of how inefficient it is with bitrate. (Meaning lower quality in comparison)
As a test I converted some 1080p content to various profiles to test it out ... and then did it again at 720p and then 540p. (The native phone resolution.)
All I could get to play on my phone in hardware was video encoded with baseline.
Now, what was interesting is I created a 1080p/24fps baseline file at about 7.5mbps and the phone had zero problems playing that, even that that high bitrate! Very surprising there....
Now, I created two files -- one using High Profile and the other Baseline profile -- both at the same bitrate so they are both identically sized -- and the quality difference is quite noticeable when playing through VLC on my computer. The Baseline is much more smudgy during lots of movement.... Sucks
NOW, realistically if you only watch video on your phone's screen, then encode at 960x540 and use baseline and it will look really good.
If you connect HDMI, though, then the hardware decoder will send the video to the TV at full resolution (up to 1080p) but then the quality difference really becomes noticeable.
It's a shame really .... This TI OMAP CPU in the Bionic/Droid 3 does not have this problem ... but all Tegra 2 devices like the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and so on have the same issue as the Droid X2.
(Although it does appear the newest 3.1 update on the Tegra 2 tablets allows high profile 720p not, I tried it on our phone and it does not work. Not even 540p at high works.) We are using a lower slightly lower end version of Tegra 2 versus the tablets so that might be the difference.
Attached is the Baseline profile settings to use for Handbrake for our phone.
This is why my computers only rock AMD.
could the latest update have done anything? I would really like some higher res movies with out having to go through all the hassle, cause I have no idea how to do all that with baseline and everything lol
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could the latest update have done anything? I would really like some higher res movies with out having to go through all the hassle, cause I have no idea how to do all that with baseline and everything lol
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Very doubtfully no, since its really a hardware issue.
Re-encoding is generally pretty simple, especially if someone gives you the right profile/settings you need, as he did above. Grab Handbrake, check his settings, and give it a shot with a short video file. The worst part is the length it can take to transcode something, which is mostly dependant on your CPU.
Thanks for the info man, was going to play around with this when i first noticed it but never had time and forgot about it. I'll be lazy and keep the old Archos 5 going with component out video lol, doesn't look too great, but 120GB and great battery life will help.
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Very doubtfully no, since its really a hardware issue.
Re-encoding is generally pretty simple, especially if someone gives you the right profile/settings you need, as he did above. Grab Handbrake, check his settings, and give it a shot with a short video file. The worst part is the length it can take to transcode something, which is mostly dependant on your CPU.
Thanks for the info man, was going to play around with this when i first noticed it but never had time and forgot about it. I'll be lazy and keep the old Archos 5 going with component out video lol, doesn't look too great, but 120GB and great battery life will help.
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I definitely will try that, and the reason I asked was cause at the bottom he sounded unsure that it was a hardware problem... so I thought why not ask lol no harm no foul right?
in my completely n00b opinion if we are using a slightly lower tegra2 than the ones in the tablets it would seem that we wouldn't have such different results. I would think that if we are using slightly lower processors we would get slightly lower results. However I know very little about what I am talking about so I could completely be off base
This phone just keeps getting better and better.
To topic greater what derision of android were you using and what rom? Cause I found that on 2.3.3 using eclipse 0.2.2 I had next to no problems playing any 720p video files using hardware. They were h264 in mkv. Just.get mobo video player and its codec pack. If you trying to watch anime download mkv ripper to rip the subs out so you can still.use hardware. Yes software support make it skips but i rarely need to use software. At least on my dx2. And using software support on 480p runs with out any problems.
Mobo player is the best video player out for android use that instead I tried mx player and it was quite crap. Your.playback of video files depends on the video player itself as well as the phone. And in hardware 720p runs just fine on mobo with very little hickups for.fast.pace action scenes and I know I'm not on baseline.
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