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The soap opera continues.... I've seen a lot of stories with different takes on this. Officially, I believe they're saying they are just producing another run mainly to fulfill outstanding orders. Apparently (read: "refreshingly") they still care about their company image. In my short time with WebOS, I've come to become quite enamored with it. I hope it and the Touchpad live on. Heck, it just skyrocketed in marketshare!
Man the big deal that's being made about this by people who don't understand how manufacturing works is just mind boggling.
They had a TON of parts sitting around and a production line sitting idle. All they did was decide that they would build out quantities to use up the remaining parts that they had on hand. These parts were ordered probably two or more years in advance of need. Their possible decisions were, throw the parts in a landfill, try to resell them, or use them as originally intended. Choice three is the lowest effort and lowest risk with a guaranteed return, so, done. Simple.
HP is going to have to pay for all those touchpads anyway. They most likely have a contract with the parts and mfg companies for XXX amount of tablets. They could either stop production and pay the parts/mfg companies anyway due to contract obligations or they build and sell what was already in the que. Yes it will be at a loss but only 2/3 of that loss. They could lose 3/3. So, selling what they can is the best move for them and for us. The more TP's sold to geeks, the stronger the dev community and the higher chance a larger player will jump in and take over the hardware and OS.
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Man the big deal that's being made about this by people who don't understand how manufacturing works is just mind boggling.
They had a TON of parts sitting around and a production line sitting idle. All they did was decide that they would build out quantities to use up the remaining parts that they had on hand. These parts were ordered probably two or more years in advance of need. Their possible decisions were, throw the parts in a landfill, try to resell them, or use them as originally intended. Choice three is the lowest effort and lowest risk with a guaranteed return, so, done. Simple.
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Rumor is that Samsung has already made a bid to buy webOS.
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Rumor is that Samsung has already made a bid to buy webOS.
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The problem is,WebOS is pretty much dead. Developers are not going to want to learn it. Think about it,if you have a choice of what to learn,you MIGHT have chosen WebOS before but now you just wont,you will learn to develop for Android or iOS. In fact,if you DO develop for WebOS ,I bet your seriously looking into iOS now,or android and I cant imagine your goign to go back and waste your time. Remember,these guys are doing this to pay their rent and put food on their table,not just to play around. Once HP abandoned it,it has that stigma associated with it and people are going to see it as a losing bet.
Hp threw a billion dollars away on Palm to get WebOS and there is no way they can get most of it back. What they SHOULD have done was drop the price of the tablet until it sold,and talk up their future plans while looking for someone to take it off their hands.
Essentially,its like they had a horse. It was having some health problems and they realized they just didnt want it any more. As such their options were,find someone else to take it off their hands or just shoot it and be done with it. What happened was they got it backwards. They shot the horse,now they are going around asking if anyone wants to take it off their hands.
the average cost of a Superbowl commercial is 3 million dollars for 30 seconds. So lost money from HP really dosent matter. To me, this was all a publicity stunt. And i'm happy, because i got a 150 dollar dual core tablet with 32GB of memory that is about to be ported to android..
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The problem is,WebOS is pretty much dead. Developers are not going to want to learn it. Think about it,if you have a choice of what to learn,you MIGHT have chosen WebOS before but now you just wont,you will learn to develop for Android or iOS. In fact,if you DO develop for WebOS ,I bet your seriously looking into iOS now,or android and I cant imagine your goign to go back and waste your time. Remember,these guys are doing this to pay their rent and put food on their table,not just to play around. Once HP abandoned it,it has that stigma associated with it and people are going to see it as a losing bet.
Hp threw a billion dollars away on Palm to get WebOS and there is no way they can get most of it back. What they SHOULD have done was drop the price of the tablet until it sold,and talk up their future plans while looking for someone to take it off their hands.
Essentially,its like they had a horse. It was having some health problems and they realized they just didnt want it any more. As such their options were,find someone else to take it off their hands or just shoot it and be done with it. What happened was they got it backwards. They shot the horse,now they are going around asking if anyone wants to take it off their hands.
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Very good analogy. The only way I could see Samsung biting on a WebOS deal is if they could somehow work it similarish to how Blackberry is trying to do it, and have Android apps run on top of WebOS. WebOS would be their hedge against a Google/Motorola partnership, although doing it this way wouldn't be that good of a hedge because there still wouldn't be any native WebOS apps if in fact Samsung had to break away from Google/Android.
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The problem is,WebOS is pretty much dead. Developers are not going to want to learn it. Think about it,if you have a choice of what to learn,you MIGHT have chosen WebOS before but now you just wont,you will learn to develop for Android or iOS. In fact,if you DO develop for WebOS ,I bet your seriously looking into iOS now,or android and I cant imagine your goign to go back and waste your time. Remember,these guys are doing this to pay their rent and put food on their table,not just to play around. Once HP abandoned it,it has that stigma associated with it and people are going to see it as a losing bet.
Hp threw a billion dollars away on Palm to get WebOS and there is no way they can get most of it back. What they SHOULD have done was drop the price of the tablet until it sold,and talk up their future plans while looking for someone to take it off their hands.
Essentially,its like they had a horse. It was having some health problems and they realized they just didnt want it any more. As such their options were,find someone else to take it off their hands or just shoot it and be done with it. What happened was they got it backwards. They shot the horse,now they are going around asking if anyone wants to take it off their hands.
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Source - http://allthingsd.com/20110829/samsung-eyeing-webos/
webOS will still be supported (According to HP) and patched and also the Palm Pre3 is coming with it on it. With Google making the Motorola deal it makes total sense for Samsung to acquire webOS. And you are right, HP spent $1.2 billion on Palm, you think they are just going to lay everyone off and dissolve the company? Sell it, make some cash. I listen to Wall Street which is usually right about these things because there's money involved. I am with everyone else, I got a TouchPad which works fine for $149. I could care less if anyone ever develops anything for it, it does pretty much everything right now, pretty well. If Android ports to it I will go there but for $149 it was less than my phone.
This entire TouchPad story is the biggest publicity that HP has had in 20 years. With HP in a tailspin, who knows what will happen. On WSJ.com read the article "HP's One Year Plan". That pretty much explains it. If I hear of TouchPads popping up I will report them here. I hope all XDA folks can get one, it's a great deal.
Publicity stunt? Yea, "look at us,we just flushed a billion,dollars of our shareholders money down the toilet,and followed it up by flushing another hundred million away instead of trying to sell off the remaining inventory in a controlled way,or use it as an incentive to drive other sales (buy an hp pc,get a 500 tablet free). On top of that,we want to sell of our pc division,so rather than just doing it,we decided to talk about it for 6 months first so there is plenty of time to be sure everyone can talk up what a loser it is and drive the market price down." I know they say "any publicity is good publicity,but thats really stretching it. It sounds more like "our company is falling apart so we desperatly want someone to take the worst parts off out hands and hope that we can generate enough cash to finance our desperate plan to cling to life"
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From the WSJ SMART MONEY Blog
PAY DIRT // AUGUST 31, 2011, 2:35 PM
At 75% Off, the H-P TouchPad is No Bargain
By Kelli B. Grant
A 75%-off sale is usually both a lure and warning: get cheap now what nobody wanted to pick up at full price.
Shoppers enticed by the fire sales on the $99 H-P TouchPad would do well to keep that in mind, some experts say. H-P recently discontinued the once $399-plus tablet, marking down the remaining inventory to as low as $99. Now the company says it plans to make one last small production run, to be sold this fall for an as-yet-unannounced price.
As today’s Wall Street Journal points out, the decision is odd from a business perspective: It costs H-P $306 to make one 16GB tablet, so selling it for $99 results in a $207 loss. (Analysts say H-P is likely just using the last of its pre-purchased parts.) But the real head-scratcher is why consumers are so eager to now buy a tablet that was roundly reviewed as disappointing for its heft, so-so operating system and lack of apps, says Andrew Eisner, director of content for Retrevo.com. “Unless you have $99 burning a hole in your pocket, you might want to wait,” he says.
After all, the tablet market is nothing if not competitive. The iPad 3 could be coming our way as soon as October, and Amazon is months away from releasing two tablets expected to cost less than $300, Eisner says. Tablet-makers are also likely to offer more incentives during the busy holiday shopping season, says Louis Ramirez, a senior feature writer for sale site DealNews.com. Two days after H-P discontinued the TouchPad, for example, sales popped up on Samsung’s Galaxy tablet, dropping the price from $340 to as low as $280. Deals will be at their best during the week of Black Friday, he predicts.
Material costs make it unlikely that other tablet manufacturers can go much below the $199 price point right now, says Chris Connery, vice president of PC and IT displays for market researcher DisplaySearch. Yes, that’s twice the price of the TouchPad, but those tablets also come with operating systems that have support and updates going forward; the TouchPad has that for now, but H-P has discussed spinning off or selling WebOS, which makes the future of that support uncertain, he says. That also means there’s no incentive for developers to come up with apps that work on the tablet.
Still, the $99 H-P TouchPad provides the best opportunity for consumers who don’t want much more than a cheap way to surf the Internet from their couch, Eisner says. “It might make a nice collector’s item,” he says.
Clarification: A previous version of this story was unclear about H-P’s commitment to support the TouchPad and WebOS.
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Publicity stunt? Yea, "look at us,we just flushed a billion,dollars of our shareholders money down the toilet,and followed it up by flushing another hundred million away instead of trying to sell off the remaining inventory in a controlled way,or use it as an incentive to drive other sales (buy an hp pc,get a 500 tablet free). On top of that,we want to sell of our pc division,so rather than just doing it,we decided to talk about it for 6 months first so there is plenty of time to be sure everyone can talk up what a loser it is and drive the market price down." I know they say "any publicity is good publicity,but thats really stretching it. It sounds more like "our company is falling apart so we desperatly want someone to take the worst parts off out hands and hope that we can generate enough cash to finance our desperate plan to cling to life"
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Check this - http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576535211589514334.html?mg=reno-wsj
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Check this - http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576535211589514334.html?mg=reno-wsj
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That was a very entertaining read.
I think you will see lots of devs building apps for webos. There is a large vacuum to fill here, android and ios are already saturated with apps.
My thoughts, there are a few advantages to HP:
1. They have an parts or a contract for X number of units. Seeing the demand it is more cost effective to build these units even if they are taking a loss. Canceling the contract may have cost the the same amount or more.
2. With the number of unites now on the market there will be more incentive for developers to deliver more WebOS apps. The expanded ecosystem also give WebOS more value for potential licensees or buyers.
This makes sense - http://blogs.wsj.com/cfo/2011/09/01/h-ps-touchpad-relaunch-may-limit-write-downs/
And the hits keep coming... - http://professional.wsj.com/article...27390510.html?mod=WSJPRO_hps_MIDDLESecondNews
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And the hits keep coming... - http://professional.wsj.com/article...27390510.html?mod=WSJPRO_hps_MIDDLESecondNews
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Well, she got the job. Time will tell if Ms. Whitman is what they needed or whether she is the same "Nut-Meg" that blew $100 million dollars on her failed gubernatorial attempt.
Seeing as how her business savvy did make her a billionaire at eBay, I want to see if her consumer-focused attitudes will also help us out with WebOS. If she is smart, she will have realized the TP firesale phenomenon is a sign that they could even restart production and sell quite a few more, just not at the original MSRP. Obviously, they can't afford to sell them at $99 again, but they COULD sell them at $249 or so and make up the difference with a heavily expanded software catalog. Hell, add a truly functional USB host and SD Card expandability and I would pay $300 for the thing today.
Amazon is willing to sell their tablet at a loss, hoping for potential revenue from online books and movies.
A team up with Amazon to sell them, sell movies, music, apps, etc., would be a match made in heaven in my opinion.
I've used IOS, Android and WebOS on a tablet.
I'll take how WebOS works every time.
However, the browser is terrible and the apps (or lack thereof) suck...
Put Amazon behind them, devs will jump on board for the product and apps...
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I just bought the gtab from office depot and while I love it the viewing angle is really bad. If I flip it upside down (buttons on the left) the viewing angle is wayyyy better but then I can't watch videos because they are upside down.
Is there anything I can do to fix this?
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I just bought the gtab from office depot and while I love it the viewing angle is really bad. If I flip it upside down (buttons on the left) the viewing angle is wayyyy better but then I can't watch videos because they are upside down.
Is there anything I can do to fix this?
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Return and buy an ipad.
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Return and buy an ipad.
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Office Depot has a no return policy.
ryude said:
Office Depot has a no return policy.
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Yes, it does. They charge you 15% restocking fee if the item is an open box.
Someone on here, who claimed to be working for depot, once suggested that you can exchange the item claiming it to be defective, then don't open the one you exchanged it for and go to another depot to return for a full refund. I've never tried this, but I guess it's an alternative if you have no problem with doing something like this.
Regardless, please read up on an expensive gadget like the gtab before you decide to buy it next time.
The gtab is really not for the faint of heart.
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Office Depot has a no return policy.
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not true.
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Yes, it does. They charge you 15% restocking fee if the item is an open box.
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not true.
Here is OD return policy right from their website:
Technology & Furniture - 14 Day Return Policy:
Your Original Receipt is required for all returns or exchanges of technology and furniture.
Technology products may be returned or exchanged within 14 days of purchase with Original Receipt, in original packaging and with UPC code intact. If product box is opened, we will offer an exchange only. A 15% Restocking Fee will be applied if box is missing any components. This applies to all technology products including, without limitation: Computers, Monitors, Cameras, Camcorders, Projectors, GPS, Printers, Copiers, Faxes, Shredders, Telephones, Wireless Technology, MP3s, TVs, DVD Players, Media, Hard Drives, Peripherals, Accessories and Software. Opened software may be exchanged for the same item only. Please remove all personal data from returned/exchanged product. Office Depot is not responsible for any personal data left in or on a returned/exchanged product. Furniture in new condition, unassembled, in original packaging, with Original Receipt and with UPC code intact may be returned within 14 days of purchase
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That said, the T&C seems contradicting, restocking fees implies refund, missing accessories implies open box, yet the statement before it clearly says "no refunds for open boxed items" but the first sentence enumerates the conditions for return/exchange which doesn't say "unopened box"
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Return and buy an ipad.
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Yes, because there are no Android tablets that have great screens Return it and fork out an extra $100 for a Transformer, if you can find one (and you will be able to soon). Don't bother trying to sell the gTab -- it's rare to find something that loses so much of its value the moment you hit "Submit" on the order screen.
Regardless, please read up on an expensive gadget like the gtab before you decide to buy it next time.
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Seriously, when I purchased mine, I read every review under the son, and even the positive ones pointed out the less than spectacular viewing angles. I bought it anyway becuase I figured it was something I can live with, and it is.
No one pointed out that setting that allows the grab to rotate 180 degrees?
schettj said:
No one pointed out that setting that allows the grab to rotate 180 degrees?
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Video only plays at 1 orientation, honey dear.
goodintentions said:
Yes, it does. They charge you 15% restocking fee if the item is an open box.
Someone on here, who claimed to be working for depot, once suggested that you can exchange the item claiming it to be defective, then don't open the one you exchanged it for and go to another depot to return for a full refund. I've never tried this, but I guess it's an alternative if you have no problem with doing something like this.
Regardless, please read up on an expensive gadget like the gtab before you decide to buy it next time.
The gtab is really not for the faint of heart.
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I think we're making more drama than is really necessary here, it's not that bad, I happen to love mine. I did not want to spend 500 bucks+ for something I can't expand the memory on, or be able to customize like I want to. Is it for everybody? No, but I think it's pretty darn good. You can always try the Transformer I guess when it's back in stock, otherwise you're looking at spending several more Benjamin's.
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I think we're making more drama than is really necessary here, it's not that bad, I happen to love mine. I did not want to spend 500 bucks+ for something I can't expand the memory on, or be able to customize like I want to. Is it for everybody? No, but I think it's pretty darn good. You can always try the Transformer I guess when it's back in stock, otherwise you're looking at spending several more Benjamin's.
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Well, I think all the complainers are drama queens as well. But since they are drama queens, I feel it is my obligation to send them to apple and let apple take care of them.
I recommend apple product to most people who ask me about gadgets and computers for this very reason. The gtab is .3 lb heavier than the ipad, which most people can't even feel the difference. And yet, in the past few months ever since the gtab came out there's been a kazillion people crying bloody murder about the million ton weight of the gtab compared to the ipad.
I feel it is abundantly clear by now that the gtab has bad viewing angles. The only thing we can do when someone asks about how to fix the screen is to direct them to the ipad.
So, in short, I am making a big deal out of this because drama queens want to make a big deal out of it. Apple ipad really is the way to go.
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Apple ipad really is the way to go.
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Not for me, too expensive, too closed and non-expandable memory. I have 32 Gigs in my gTablet now, I would have had to pay $600 to get that from Apple, and I just don't have that kind of money. I'm sure it is better in some things, but for 300 dollars less I can live with the differences, and I am loving what I have, that's all that's important in the end.
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Not for me, too expensive, too closed and non-expandable memory. I have 32 Gigs in my gTablet now, I would have had to pay $600 to get that from Apple, and I just don't have that kind of money. I'm sure it is better in some things, but for 300 dollars less I can live with the differences.
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But californiarailroader, the gtab is .3 lb heavier than the ipad, which equates to 30 pounds in drama queen language. You're not going to be able to live with a 30 pound difference are you?
Personally, I love my gtab. I've already incorporated it into my daily work and entertainment. I use it to read the news every morning when I ride on the train to the city. I read pdf documents with it. Check email. It basically does everything I intended it to do for me. That said, I don't recommend the gtab to anyone. Like I said, let apple deal with the whiners. I only want to help those who genuinely want to explore this neck of the woods.
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Not for me, too expensive, too closed and non-expandable memory. I have 32 Gigs in my gTablet now, I would have had to pay $600 to get that from Apple, and I just don't have that kind of money. I'm sure it is better in some things, but for 300 dollars less I can live with the differences, and I am loving what I have, that's all that's important in the end.
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I believe he's being sarcastic, yet realistic.
Basically his thinking (if I may) is that if somebody complains about the weight, tell them to get an iPad...if they complain about the screen, get an iPad. If they complain about lack of iApps, get an iPad.
I've used my stepfathers iPad, I complained about the lack of customization, lack of memory upgrade, lack of USB imput, and lack of "not being an Apple product." Therefore, I got a Gtablet.
essentially, if anyone gets a G-tablet, or ANY OTHER Android tablet and complains that it's not an iPad, then our only advice would have to be, GET AN iPAD!!!
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Well, I think all the complainers are drama queens as well. But since they are drama queens, I feel it is my obligation to send them to apple and let apple take care of them.
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He was complaining about the bad screen, not about Android. There are people who claim the screen is good, and some who say it's terrible, so I don't really blame him for taking a leap of faith to see for himself. He's found it unacceptable, so he should return it and get an Android tablet with a better screen, of which there a few out now, and several coming in the next few months.
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I believe he's being sarcastic, yet realistic.
Basically his thinking (if I may) is that if somebody complains about the weight, tell them to get an iPad...if they complain about the screen, get an iPad. If they complain about lack of iApps, get an iPad.
I've used my stepfathers iPad, I complained about the lack of customization, lack of memory upgrade, lack of USB imput, and lack of "not being an Apple product." Therefore, I got a Gtablet.
essentially, if anyone gets a G-tablet, or ANY OTHER Android tablet and complains that it's not an iPad, then our only advice would have to be, GET AN iPAD!!!
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Thank you!
Since the ipad was the first mainstream tablet to hit the market, it is inevitable for people to compare everything else to it. That said, whenever people want to compare the gtab to an ipad, I advice them to get an ipad. Again, if they want to complain about the .3 lb heavier weight, then I advice them to get the ipad. If they complain about the screen, which there should already be a billion reviews telling them about the screen by now, the I direct them to the ipad.
There was a review I read long ago in which the reviewer complained about the black space around the screen. Ironic how after he complained about the black space around the screen he went ahead and praise the ipad, nevermind that the ipad has an even larger black area around the screen.
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He was complaining about the bad screen, not about Android. There are people who claim the screen is good, and some who say it's terrible, so I don't really blame him for taking a leap of faith to see for himself. He's found it unacceptable, so he should return it and get an Android tablet with a better screen, of which there a few out now, and several coming in the next few months.
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Look, there's been a billion reviews online telling everyone about the bad viewing angles on the gtab. If after that he manages to complain about the bad viewing angles, then I can guarantee you that he will find something else to complain about no matter what tablet he gets. Just direct them to the ipad and let them be apple's problem.
Long ago, I used to work as a cop. You know what different departments do when they find a 10-96 (aka mental subject)? They find an excuse to drive them to the next town over and drop them off there. I was a cop at a Chicago area suburb and we had to deal with Chicago cops dropping their mental subjects in our town almost on a daily basis. While it was annoying, I have to admit that this was really the most efficient way for the Chicago cops to deal with their mental subjects.
What I am proposing is we use this same strategy in our case. We direct all the whiners to apple and let it be their problem. Problem solved.
I will accept all whiners into the fold if it means HC gets a bigger market share
I dropped the gtab because the screen gave me headaches yet I have a transformer on backorder right now. I also am recommending the iPad for most people so I have less wasted time explaining what "root" of the sdcard is so they can install cwm
Once I rooted and put the VEGAn GingerEdition on this bad boy, the screen has seem to have gotten "better". Maybe it's because I actually have market, I can watch flash videos without stutter, apps don't force close every time I try to run them, or any number of other problems I encountered on the stock software.
Honestly, I'm starting to get used to the screen. Plus, I might take a whirl at making a ROM or theming for the gtab
Well i find it Super intereting to modify and loading android onto the touch pad, but i have a asus TF, Works great, Love it.. but wondering would it be worth the hassle just to have a new toy to play with (mearly jut that reason)
i think a Bestbuy 40miles away may have a new shippment in today. but debating weather to go and buy 3 (me, mother,step dad) what your thoughts about this?
I think a better question is, can you find a Touchpad to buy? If you get one, you will definately be happy with the purchase. And if not, there are plenty of us out here that will be more than willing to take it off your hands.
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sounds good i would say yes and they is plenty of people who would take it off your hands
You should definitely buy at the PRICE at least for the hardware
yea i know the hardware veiw point im like "what for $99!!" but currently waiting to find as rumor has it.. new sale is bound to happen soon, ( as i read from many forum posts) but i think if i do I will buy it.. but i wont be heart broken if i dont...
Don't forget that if you get a TouchPad, you can also register for 50GB free storage at Box.net (you have to do it via the app on the TouchPad). Depending on what your storage habits and needs are, that might be worth taking into account.
I would say you should not buy it just so I have a better chance of getting another
Why do you need another tablet? That'd be my consideration.
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IF you can find one, buy it. Worst case someone will buy it from you if you don't like it.
Also I think Best Buy will limit you to one per customer, at least that's what one employee said his store was going to do.
well thismorning the local bb got a shipment and it was gone before i got there at 10am. Didnt think people of brownsville knew... :| but i think ill give up. Causeyeaidont need another tab, but wanted touse and play with it, moding hacking..etc. , i ill only by if i stumple on a online sale, but i now wont go out my way to buy one, good luck to all on getting a touchpad
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Why do you need another tablet? That'd be my consideration.
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one for development/hacking, one for useage. i assumed that would be obvious
I didn't see any reason not to buy it. If you can find one the are practically giving them away. I have a Xoom and love it but I can never have too many toys. Got one at Aarons rents yesterday.
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The process I went through to figure out if a TP was really a good buy was to figure out what exactly I needed it for. I just can't justify spending $400-600 on a tablet that's not going to fill an integral part of my technology needs, but $100-200 (depending on size/shipping/etc) is a reasonable amount for me, even if Android never gets ported to it.
The UI is attractive, and there are enough games and apps that I could let my 3 year old play with it while supervised and it wouldn't be the end of the world if something happened to it.
While your situation is likely different, hopefully there is a bit of insight into my personal decision making process in deciding if a TP was a good value or not.
Of course you should buy it...then flip it for 2-3x the price. Then put that money towards an iPad. Then jailbreak and hack to your heart's content and/or develop apps for a viable market.
Then sell the iPad for near full retail right before the next iteration drops and either buy the newest version or three Nook Colors for your family members.
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Of course you should buy it...then flip it for 2-3x the price. Then put that money towards an iPad. Then jailbreak and hack to your heart's content and/or develop apps for a viable market.
Then sell the iPad for near full retail right before the next iteration drops and either buy the newest version or three Nook Colors for your family members.
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lamest advice ever
especially when there's people out there that honestly want this device to use or to develop with. this is xda, not slickdeals.
yareally said:
lamest advice ever
especially when there's people out there that honestly want this device to use or to develop with. this is xda, not slickdeals.
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Try reading his question more carefully
debating weather to go and buy 3 (me, mother,step dad)
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He wants to tinker around on android but he already has a transformer and you think his mother and step dad want to develop on a dead platform?
How are they going to use it? Browse the web one tab at a time? Read e-books with the broken app? Play movies on the gimped player? My guess is you don't actually have one.
My advise is not only solid but it's based on experience with all of the devices in question. But perhaps his parents are xda members
well i know they wont develop on this, i had mentioned to them its a tablet and if they wanted one they can get one (if found) for $100, i told her to look at youtube reviews about the TP, she liked and wanted one.. i wasnt one to mod, toy, develop, and since its not bad hardware. and i dont want to turn around and sell for $250 as i have seen on Craigslist.
we mainly want one due to the firesale Price of $99, but i am unablet to find one so i dont think i will get one. i am no noob when it comes to electronics and software. i wouldnt get a ios device since i dont like the feel of ios, nor apple software. android is nice love it, webos, havent really had enough time to play with it but seemed to be promising if HP let it grow more.nook color is a nice toy, but not really my flavor, now i think ill retire my TF (for modding)when TF2 comes out (Kal-El) platform, so yea
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Try reading his question more carefully
He wants to tinker around on android but he already has a transformer and you think his mother and step dad want to develop on a dead platform?
How are they going to use it? Browse the web one tab at a time? Read e-books with the broken app? Play movies on the gimped player? My guess is you don't actually have one.
My advise is not only solid but it's based on experience with all of the devices in question. But perhaps his parents are xda members
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Yeah...so he should go buy a real tablet at full price and not screw people that want to actually develop for the touchpad...
Amazon is coming out with what will probably be a cheaper android tablet soon
To the OP: I hope you find what you are looking for though from your previous comment above. You seemed to thought things through at least
Pending on buying.. worth it?
The only reason why I'm even considering buying this is because I saw that android will be able to hopefully run on this and id like to see honeycomb as well as ubuntu on this and the price has become cheaper. I know you all here have it so i was wondering your personal opinions on the device.
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Hannspad or HP Touchpad?
Hello!
Lately I have been looking at the Hannspad, but since the kernel hasn't been released I assume that the custom roms aren't as good as they could be (or am I wrong?).
So I was looking at the HP Touchpad instead, which has very nice specs (better than Hannspad? 1GB Ram & 1.2GHz snap, 10 point touch! Better price) and Android development for it is slowly starting for it, 2.3.5 is working and I hope they'll get it functional soon!
So what are your thoughts? Should I look at the Touchpad and see how development goes over the next three weeks or get the Hannspad ?
I'll buy in the beginning of next month, and I'd like to have a somewhat functional tablet, so what are your thoughts? Will the HP ever get ported so good, that it'll work 100%? How about hardware accel.
Thank you <3
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Was it less than 10,000? This is utterly ridiculous.
I remember back when the PlayStation 2 debuted in 2000 and Sony shipped only half of their projected 1 million units for launch, and it was mad crazy trying to find one, you had to be at the right store at the right time that wasn't taking only pre-orders to get one.
Fast forward to today with Asus Transformer Prime it's like barely any store have one. Worst launch of a new product in history IMO.
I swear had this not be the only Android tablet with the highest specs I wouldn't be clinging on to wanting one this long. But sadly all the other alternative tablets fall short on the specs.
Idk probably that number!
But idk anyone who has gotten a 64gb they are saying January (amazon)
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I dont think its time to go "OMFGWTFBBQ" over this yet. Asus's statements have always said things to the effect of "we plan to start shipping units on the X day." They never said anything about fulfilling every kids want and need across the planet by day 1 of product launch.
Yes, it does suck that its not overstocked everywhere ready to go for everyone and their brother with enough extra supply for everyone to buy a second unit as a fallout backup unit, but they never really got all crazy with it. I think their aim has been to make sure the product stays quality, and to start opening the product flow pipelines this week, which they are doing.
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Was it less than 10,000? This is utterly ridiculous.
I remember back when the PlayStation 2 debuted in 2000 and Sony shipped only half of their projected 1 million units for launch, and it was mad crazy trying to find one, you had to be at the right store at the right time that wasn't taking only pre-orders to get one.
Fast forward to today with Asus Transformer Prime it's like barely any store have one. Worst launch of a new product in history IMO.
I swear had this not be the only Android tablet with the highest specs I wouldn't be clinging on to wanting one this long. But sadly all the other alternative tablets fall short on the specs.
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I am Right there with you its down right shameful how this has been handle ..et alone turning would be buyers away i thought long and hard yesterday about just getting another tablet but my Gf told me to stay with it because ive already been waiting so long
Yup I feel the exact same way.
I really don't want to get something else. This is my first tablet because I've been waiting for something I really like.
But with a seriously flawed release plan, Asus has pretty much told me, "Sorry, we're not interested in your business."
I will NOT cancel my order until there is no more hope for me getting it before I leave back overseas on Dec. 29.
Come on people, its not like Asus doesn't want you to have the device before Christmas. I'm sure they tried their hardest to get these things out, but ran into lots of issues on the way. I do agree that Asus should of been more upfront about what was happening. Asus certainly isn't saying they're not interested in your businesses and they will be shipping these things out as quickly as possible.
If I wasn't so Anti-Apple, I would have cancelled this order a long time ago. How can the Android tablet market possibly ever grow in numbers with a launch like this??? Things like this really make me question my judgement in choosing a tablet, but I still think Android as a tablet platform would be more preferable for my needs than going with Apple, and its locked down platform.
I just am concerned for the future of the Android tablet market... If future launches from other companies go like this one, Apple will be laughing its way to the bank, even more than it is doing right now.
This would be a shame.... the Asus Transformer prime, and all of the Android Tablets coming out next year, have the potential to definitely compete against whatever apple brings. Let's hope Asus gets these out quickly, and in large quantities.
I think they shipped 4
no wait 3
yes 3 is the number.
also holy crap you people complain like woah. These are what they call "white people problems"
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Come on people, its not like Asus doesn't want you to have the device before Christmas. I'm sure they tried their hardest to get these things out, but ran into lots of issues on the way. I do agree that Asus should of been more upfront about what was happening. Asus certainly isn't saying they're not interested in your businesses and they will be shipping these things out as quickly as possible.
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Gotta agree with you. They obviously seriously screwed up by not making a pre-Christmas release of a decent size and you can be sure that they're not happy about it.
The problem I have with them is the almost complete silence on the matter. For that there is no excuse. They knew that many of us were purchasing this for Christmas so they should have been up front when they knew they weren't going to be able to fulfill pre-orders.
Update: Pre-orders for the #TransformerPrime starting to be fulfilled this week. Inventory set to reach normal levels in January
http://twitter.com/ASUS
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Was it less than 10,000? This is utterly ridiculous.
I remember back when the PlayStation 2 debuted in 2000 and Sony shipped only half of their projected 1 million units for launch, and it was mad crazy trying to find one, you had to be at the right store at the right time that wasn't taking only pre-orders to get one.
Fast forward to today with Asus Transformer Prime it's like barely any store have one. Worst launch of a new product in history IMO.
I swear had this not be the only Android tablet with the highest specs I wouldn't be clinging on to wanting one this long. But sadly all the other alternative tablets fall short on the specs.
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you said it yourself, its the only tablet with the highest spec. why do you think other manufactures aren't making them? they are, but none of them can release them yet, theres not even an official statement yet, because of the time constraint. The fact the asus is able to release them before the Xmas is impressive enough. I know its dissapointing to have an expected release date and got pushed back, i know it sucks when their first shioment fall short. But should them wait till they have enough for everyone and release people are gonna complain that its too late.
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Update: Pre-orders for the #TransformerPrime starting to be fulfilled this week. Inventory set to reach normal levels in January
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Again, that could mean late January which is another 5-6 weeks. Amazon says that they won't be able to fulfill new orders for another 4 weeks at minimum.
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you said it yourself, its the only tablet with the highest spec. why do you think other manufactures aren't making them? they are, but none of them can release them yet, theres not even an official statement yet, because of the time constraint. The fact the asus is able to release them before the Xmas is impressive enough. I know its dissapointing to have an expected release date and got pushed back, i know it sucks when their first shioment fall short. But should them wait till they have enough for everyone and release people are gonna complain that its too late.
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Yea, i seriously doubt Asus is sitting on a stockpile of these things and saying, "Let's ruin everyone's Christmas." They are doing the best they can. They are a business, they want to sell these things. I am grateful that they caught the wifi problem and then decided to do something about it. Other companies would have just shipped and not said anything (i.e. Apple and the many bugs that their devices have come out with ala Siri, iphone 4 radio fiasco, and 4GS battery life). Asus wanted the product to be the best possible before shipping and it makes me feel like the device I get will be of the highest quality, even if I don't get it before Christmas.
Yea, I'm dissapointed. But I'm not going to come on XDA and throw a childish hissy fit about it. I do really really really want mine, but come on people, this is a "first world problem."
Go ahead and cancel your orders out of anger. I will happily bump up in the line.
2 Waves, 12/23 and 1/11/2012
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Again, that could mean late January which is another 5-6 weeks. Amazon says that they won't be able to fulfill new orders for another 4 weeks at minimum.
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Just got off the phone with Gamestop where I have my pre-order, the January date is for the 2nd wave of ordered inventory. If you already have a pre-order out there, you "should" as of now, get yours the 23rd, at least this is the word at Gamestop and I assume other retailers are on the same or close to the same schedule.
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Years ago when I was working for IBM, we came out with a very hot Thinkpad/Laptop right before Christmas, the VP massively underestimated the demand, he was fired over it, the money on the table that was lost. I think we can say Asus under estimated the demand. To bad to, the numbers they could have achieved. To have done this right, the pipeline should have been full on 12/1. So here we are, we wait, my last best hope is Gamestop saids my pre-order will be available the 23rd, the first wave, if they don't have it, I think I will default to a new laptop instead.
Those of us who bought the original transformer know ASUS had similar problems with the launch of that product and many feel they didn't learn anything. I think they did but what they forgot was instead of one color with two memory size variations they now have two colors with the same two memory variations, so all the revised plans based on the previous screw up didn't work when they doubled the options. So you get cancelled from one retailer, Amazon because they took too many orders for one color and you cover yours bets by getting the opposite color with another retailer, Best Buy and bam, you lose that one because they had the opposite problem. The introduction of two colors and the missing 64GB versions are the prime, excuse the pun, factors in this screw up. IMHO.
The big test for me now with this shipping fiasco is how well and how quickly they get ICS out.so much for all the "worlds first" claims!
I think we can say Asus under estimated the demand. To bad to, the numbers they could have achieved.
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I don't think it's under estimating demand, it's not like 10K+ users are happy and have their Primes, and countless others are waiting for the 2nd/3rd batches.. they just failed to deliver the product, logistical, technical, marketing, lack of communication with consumers, etc. First batch obviously got pulled back to be reworked.
I'm not certain the demand is outrageous for this product. Maybe just the people who pre-order them (like myself). Stir crazy wanting the device before Christmas. Rightfully I guess, most of the expectations have been set by the retailers and not ASUS. ASUS seems to be trying to "ignore" the problem and not communicate except through third parties and rumor mill. This is 2011, you have to be engaged directly with your customers through social media, twitter, facebook, etc.. but they are 'mostly' silent.
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If they could of got it in B&M store by Black Friday, week after Thanksgiving, etc.. they'd be selling like hot cakes probably. Horrible launch planning, they tried to hit a date and failed, and it'll cost ASUS with all the upcoming announcements at CES, Ipad 3 rumors, etc..
I'm sure quite a few jobs will be lost over this, marketing/PR, QA, Product Management, etc... they can't be successful if they can't learn how to launch a product. These aren't motherboards, or GPUs where the specs will sell the product, they need to market to the average consumer, and they are failing. Maybe it's different in other regions, but in the US, you gotta really knock it out of the park.
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I dont think its time to go "OMFGWTFBBQ" over this yet. Asus's statements have always said things to the effect of "we plan to start shipping units on the X day." They never said anything about fulfilling every kids want and need across the planet by day 1 of product launch.
Yes, it does suck that its not overstocked everywhere ready to go for everyone and their brother with enough extra supply for everyone to buy a second unit as a fallout backup unit, but they never really got all crazy with it. I think their aim has been to make sure the product stays quality, and to start opening the product flow pipelines this week, which they are doing.
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Overstocked? Try just "stocked at all'. None of the stores have them.
It's obviously on Asus's end -- probably with their supply chain management. This isn't the first failed launch so no, they don't get a free pass.
See, I don't think consumers would have minded if Asus made a public announcement BEFORE release about delay issues. They left costumers in the dark and even now, we're getting conflicting reports.
A week or so ago they stated 19th was still a go, but that clearly was a bust.
This isn't a small start-up we're talking about -- they have over 110,000 employees! Not one of them could make a public announcement and communicate more effectively? No, that's ridiculous.
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I don't think it's under estimating demand, it's not like 10K+ users are happy and have their Primes, and countless others are waiting for the 2nd/3rd batches.. they just failed to deliver the product, logistical, technical, marketing, lack of communication with consumers, etc. First batch obviously got pulled back to be reworked.
I'm not certain the demand is outrageous for this product. Maybe just the people who pre-order them (like myself). Stir crazy wanting the device before Christmas. Rightfully I guess, most of the expectations have been set by the retailers and not ASUS. ASUS seems to be trying to "ignore" the problem and not communicate except through third parties and rumor mill. This is 2011, you have to be engaged directly with your customers through social media, twitter, facebook, etc.. but they are 'mostly' silent.
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If they could of got it in B&M store by Black Friday, week after Thanksgiving, etc.. they'd be selling like hot cakes probably. Horrible launch planning, they tried to hit a date and failed, and it'll cost ASUS with all the upcoming announcements at CES, Ipad 3 rumors, etc..
I'm sure quite a few jobs will be lost over this, marketing/PR, QA, Product Management, etc... they can't be successful if they can't learn how to launch a product. These aren't motherboards, or GPUs where the specs will sell the product, they need to market to the average consumer, and they are failing. Maybe it's different in other regions, but in the US, you gotta really knock it out of the park.
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Couldn't agree more with this. I too don't think that there was that much demand for the Prime in terms of pre-orders (compared to the Ipad for example). After all, I haven't heard a thing about the Prime in the mainstream media. I think ASUS just completely missed their launch target and for some reason thought that if they ignored everyone it would just go away. Not in this day and age.
I think that they could have avoided ALL the negative reaction if they had just communicated with people. I'm fine with the fact that my Prime is late, it's the complete lack of communication by ASUS and all the rampant speculation about release dates that's driving me nuts. The Prime will be ready to ship when it's ready to ship but I would REALLY like to hear from ASUS when it's going to come out. We don't even have a release date for the Prime in Canada....it's become a joke.
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I don't think it's under estimating demand, it's not like 10K+ users are happy and have their Primes, and countless others are waiting for the 2nd/3rd batches.. they just failed to deliver the product, logistical, technical, marketing, lack of communication with consumers, etc. First batch obviously got pulled back to be reworked.
I'm not certain the demand is outrageous for this product. Maybe just the people who pre-order them (like myself). Stir crazy wanting the device before Christmas. Rightfully I guess, most of the expectations have been set by the retailers and not ASUS. ASUS seems to be trying to "ignore" the problem and not communicate except through third parties and rumor mill. This is 2011, you have to be engaged directly with your customers through social media, twitter, facebook, etc.. but they are 'mostly' silent.
My 2 cents -
If they could of got it in B&M store by Black Friday, week after Thanksgiving, etc.. they'd be selling like hot cakes probably. Horrible launch planning, they tried to hit a date and failed, and it'll cost ASUS with all the upcoming announcements at CES, Ipad 3 rumors, etc..
I'm sure quite a few jobs will be lost over this, marketing/PR, QA, Product Management, etc... they can't be successful if they can't learn how to launch a product. These aren't motherboards, or GPUs where the specs will sell the product, they need to market to the average consumer, and they are failing. Maybe it's different in other regions, but in the US, you gotta really knock it out of the park.
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When you said: "If they could of got it in B&M store by Black Friday, week after Thanksgiving, etc.. they'd be selling like hot cakes probably"
The key word is IF. Not meaning you, but anyone who has been saying "Asus blew it. They should have had this thing out (insert date here) and it would have been a HIT, is just being naive. a) It IS a hit, if not on the scale of Apply or Sony releases. b) ASUS has been busting their ass trying to get this out, and in spite of several setbacks (the wifi issue in one place reported 300 units were recalled, which is a ridiculous number.. more like 3k units I would guess, or possibly ALL unites to test, and reship unaffected tablets) and if ASUS could have had thousands of these ready for Black Friday, you can bet they would have.
I am personally pissed at all the outright LIES that Bestbuy CSR's were telling folks, when they OBVIOUSLY kept selling Pre-orders beyond any commitment of what they would receive. If everyone else could pull the pre-orders, theres only ONE reason Bestbuy didn't - out & out greed and ^%$# the customer business methods.
I have communicated to ASUS that they can NOT compete with the like of Apple, Samsung, or even Motorola when they don't even get the english tranlastions correct in their marketing materials. I personally saw them change the WebStorage Portal page and add corrections I sent in an email.... Small time operators, they don't get that they are peeing in the tall grass with the big dogs now. They need to hire a top Advertising Agency, and Marketing consulting to provide someone with a degree in Language to proffread their silly statements.
I have a Motherboard here that has this on the box: "Rock Solid" Heart Touching" ??? Heart Touching? WTF does that have to do with a high spec motherboard? LOL
Despite the Herculean efforts of the developers to bring the NT up to the standards of a real Android tablet, I grew frustrated by the amount of time and effort I had to spend tweaking and coaxing mine just to get it to work reliably. After a post on the Barnes and Noble forums from a B&N person who essentially said the official position was not going to change and that securing the Nooks is the company position from here forward, I decided I did not want to forever swim upstream.
I returned the NT and bought a Galaxy Tab 7 Plus. For my extra $100, I get the two cameras, Bluetooth, built-in intelligent remote, and, most importantly, Android Market and Amazon, with no threat of it being hobbled. Its UI is really nice; I feel no need to root it. It's fast and has a great screen.
Thanks again to the devs. Smell ya later!
Got a link to that B& N post?
Nexus S 4G 4.0.3
I'm not giving up-- we're finally getting somewhere (and i don't have a extra $100 for something nicer to begin with).
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Got a link to that B& N post?
Nexus S 4G 4.0.3
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http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/t5/NOOK-Tablet-General-Discussion/Regarding-1-4-1/td-p/1256101
Its funny to me on the forum at B&N the way people complain, B&N is a corporation, very rarely do they listen to their consumers. I think its funny that people think their voice will be heard and a difference will be made. It takes a much larger group then the one behind the nooks to get results. Which is why the XDA forum is awesome, because we are all behind this device and we all care and can make a difference.
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I left a message there and you would have thought I kicked a puppy. Man those people over there are sure sensitive to bad talk about their nooks.
I'm very close to doing the same thing. It's only a $100 difference and I don't see any other downside.
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I just returned mine. Didn't get the BN club membership back but that's a small price for the learning experience. I now have a better idea of what I want in a tablet and that's definitely not the closed garden approach that BN has taken.
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For my extra $100, I get the two cameras, Bluetooth, built-in intelligent remote, and, most importantly, Android Market and Amazon, with no threat of it being hobbled. Its UI is really nice; I feel no need to root it. It's fast and has a great screen.
Thanks again to the devs. Smell ya later!
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I paid $268.30 including tax at my local B&N for my NT.
The Gtab 7+ is $349 w/free shipping & no tax.
The difference for me will only be $80.70
I will get Honeycomb out of the box w/ICS scheduled to come out in a few months.
And I'm assuming more apps will be available in the Android Market as this tablet has been "Blessed" by Google to have the Market officially installed.
Don't forget the option of HDMI-out w/dongle.
And garyd9 over in the +'s forum is doing some great things developing for that platform as well.
Very hard to pass this up. The only thing holding me back is that the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7+ is not able to connect to ad-hoc networks as of yet. So this means that I couldn't tether and that is also unacceptable. But as soon as this is overcome, I may make the jump. A decision will be made by 01/31!
I made the jump and I'm loving it. I wish all the owners and devs of the Nook Tab the best of luck now and in the future. I didn't need the drama and stress that came preloaded on the Nook Tab.
I'm on the verge of doing the same as well. Does anyone know if B&N counts the purchase date as the date they deliver or the preorder date? If it is the latter, I am out of luck.
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I'm on the verge of doing the same as well. Does anyone know if B&N counts the purchase date as the date they deliver or the preorder date? If it is the latter, I am out of luck.
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The store never even looked at the date on my receipt. I suspect, until January 31, all returns will be accepted.
I can't do this anymore... I need a real tablet
So, I've decided finally that although a lot of forward progress has been made on hacking the Nook Tablet, I simply cannot justify continuing to own one, when I could trade it in and get an Iconia A100 for like... $10 more.
So, unless I miraculously receive enough donations to go out and get a real tablet that won't make me want to gouge my eyes out every other day from frustration, and sheer disgust at the moral quality of the manufacturer, I just cannot justify keeping my Nook Tablet.
I hope everyone the best of luck, and I'm sure we'll have custom ROMs running on the Nook Tablet before too long, and everything will be hunky dory, and life will be awesome... I'm simply unwilling to beat my head against the wall over the bull**** from Barnes and Noble...
This also means that snowball-mod will be finalized at snowball-mod v2.1.1, and I won't be able to offer much in the way of real support for it anymore... of course, I can naturally still answer a ton of questions and such, but without a Nook Tablet myself, there is kind of little testing or anything that I could do to help keep the updates coming, etc.
Maybe if the donations trickle in, and I finally get enough to repurchase a Nook Tablet, I might do that as well... who knows. What I am certain of however, is that I cannot keep my Nook Tablet as is, when for $10 more I can get a tablet that isn't going to treat me like a child who cannot make security decisions for myself. I'm a grown woman, and I can look after myself, thank you very much, Barnes & Noble...
Frankly I think the nook tablet is not for the weak hearted. It's a great device but it requires a lot of maintenance and care to make it work as well as it can. While it's a pity that we must work to stay ahead of B&N's attempts to cripple their own product, I think many would agree that the end result is worth the time and work. I've used quite a few tabs at this point and so far the NT (after being modded) is still the best of the bunch, far and away. It's the fastest, most responsive tab out there, for my money. And the battery life is the best I've ever seen. It far outlasts the iconia, which got about 4 to 5 hours at best, for me anyhow. It's not a perfect tablet and I really resent B&N's insane desire to keep it as locked down as possible, but quite frankly, it does seem like the best tab on the market at the moment. And that's why I'm keeping mine. I need the best product, not necessarily the easiest. I do wish the NT was easier to maintain, but the trade off of having a really awesome tab is worth it to me. Plus now that we've found a way to block OTA's, I'm finally done worrying about the state of my NT and I can focus on enjoying it.
So yeah, I'm keeping my nook tablet. The only thing that could make me reconsider is the Archos 70B IT, which is releasing soon and which has impressive specs and a 200 dollar price point. But no one's actually seen or used one yet, so there's no word on performance and more importantly, on battery life. I'm guessing those details will trickle out in the next couple weeks, or possibly when the device debuts at the CES next week. If its the powerhouse it's marketed as, I may consider it. If not, it's Nook Tablet for me, all the way.
So best of luck to all those who jumped ship. Hope you find what you're seeking in other tablets. But me, I'm planning to remain on board the Nook Tablet ship. The rewards seem to far outweigh the work.
You raise very good points, and it's why it has been such a struggle for me to choose for so long. There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with this tablet. It is wonderful, it is responsive, it is simply an incredible tablet.
However, I simply cannot abide the moral quality of the company making it. They disgust me, and I simply have no desire to do business with them. That is how upset I am with them, that it would override my darling appreciation of their product.
Anyways, I posted a message on the B&N forums detailing the morality of their argument "security concerns" for the updates and blocking 3rd party installations. http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com...n-to/m-p/1264783/message-uid/1264783#U1264783
It boils down to "this denies the user's self-determination, and ability to make informed choices". We're adults, not children. B&N is in no moral place to lock us up for our own good... they are moral in locking us up, because that is their business choice to make money, but presenting the argument that it is for our own good, switches the field from the moral "we want your money", to the immoral "you have no right to choose".
ASUS seems to be pretty stiff as far as compensation and fixing the tfp issues, imo it will take legal action to force their cooperation.
Has anyone researched or know anything about bringing a CALS against ASUS for the misrepresentation of the prime? I know the main requirement would be 5mil in question, Im sure at $500 a pop 10,000 defective units sounds reasonable.
Why does people always want to make a lawsuit out of things? If you dont like it or it doesn't do want you want it to do just return it. Nobody is forcing you to buy it.
Your kidding right they didn't make any denials of returns so why sue?
Hey if we didn't discuss lawsuits for every little problem we had, that would be un-american.
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The problem for some unhappy TF owners is the retailer only provides a 14 day return policy. Sometimes it takes 14 days to figure out there's a problem. Plus - if you ship to RMA - that adds 2 more weeks. The return is long past and you're on the hook with a product that doesn't match it's original specifications. I really can't comment on the legal issues, but there are reasons why something more is necessary.
I've been part of class action suits, only because I neglected to opt out. I get notification of inclusion with an opt out, and then 2 years later I get a store credit, of $20 gift card.. I always check the details of the distribution, and it's always some legal firm that gets millions, and the rest get a pittance. Trust me, that's exactly what would happen here.
So even if you think there's just cause, It will not be worth it for anybody except for some ambulance chasing firm.
Asus is making people pay for shipping to RMA for out of box defective products they deserve to have a class action lawsuit against then.
The only ones that gain from CALS are the original filer and lawyers.
Don't need anyone getting a lawyer rich in my name.
I was talking to my attorney yesterday about this. He said that advertising the Prime with a GPS and then removing that from the specs is against the law. He quoted what they law was but I don't remember. I already returned mine so it wasn't anything I would pursue anyway. Other companies have gotten in trouble for advertising something that wasn't true. Back in 2002 Hyundai got in trouble for advertising the Santa Fe had a XXXHP engine when in reality it was 20HP less. Everyone who bought one got an extra year on their bumper to bumper warranty.
btmec said:
I was talking to my attorney yesterday about this. He said that advertising the Prime with a GPS and then removing that from the specs is against the law. He quoted what they law was but I don't remember. I already returned mine so it wasn't anything I would pursue anyway. Other companies have gotten in trouble for advertising something that wasn't true. Back in 2002 Hyundai got in trouble for advertising the Santa Fe had a XXXHP engine when in reality it was 20HP less. Everyone who bought one got an extra year on their bumper to bumper warranty.
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I call bs or your lawyer is not smart, or maybe didn't fully understand the situation.
This is not comparable to hyundai bc they never fudged the specs, the unit indeed has a gps chip, it just doesn't work that well bc of aluminum back. In court they could argue that it works (even though very crappy) and is not a professional gps advice, and they even removed the gps wording from specs to avoid any confusion. The customer is free to return the prime if they need a better gps.
I agree asus messed up with gps, but to say that it is illegal what they did, I have to disagree. I had a og samsung epic and the gps on that sucked (and that was with a data signal) and samsung didn't even bother to remove gps from spec sheet.
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JCreations said:
Why does people always want to make a lawsuit out of things? If you dont like it or it doesn't do want you want it to do just return it. Nobody is forcing you to buy it.
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Are you serious? Because without them companies like ASUS walk all over its consumers. If you are alright with that Ill sell you my 69 chevy runs great! But missing its engine...
Sure maybe a petition might work to get sw changes like the bootloader, but do you really think a petition to fix it will go through? Not without a lawyer it wont.
Consumers like you are the reason companies walk all over us. And I can guarentee when a CALS hits you wont be opting out of your cut.
Bimboy: I dont care if I get a $20 gc or a ten cents card. If it costs ASUS more money and bad rep then fixing the issue then that is sufficient to me.
Lawsuit, already?
I wonder if we are a bit early for a lawsuit. Isn't Asus, fixing some Primes already? And isn't Gary Key of Asus gathering data here, and right on this forum to fix more?
Aren't we going to give Asus some time to fix problems before shouting LAWSUIT... LAWSUIT.. LAWSUIT?
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Are you serious? Because without them companies like ASUS walk all over its consumers. If you are alright with that Ill sell you my 69 chevy runs great! But missing its engine...
Sure maybe a petition might work to get sw changes like the bootloader, but do you really think a petition to fix it will go through? Not without a lawyer it wont.
Consumers like you are the reason companies walk all over us. And I can guarentee when a CALS hits you wont be opting out of your cut.
Bimboy: I dont care if I get a $20 gc or a ten cents card. If it costs ASUS more money and bad rep then fixing the issue then that is sufficient to me.
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Sueing Asus over JPS/Wifi(or insert tec issue) issue is just ridiculousness. You don't like it ... take it back. It would be a little different if the thing malfunctioned and hurt someone in some weird way. Things that hurt/affect peoples quality of life ... that is understandable. Sueing companies over things like this is a waste of money and time. I would prefer Asus save that money and put it into their development instead. Everything that costs "company"... eventually always gets back to the consumer.
The product for the most part is exceptional. Everything fuctions, somethings are not fantastic like jps/wifi. Just look around on the net, this is consider'd by most reviewers the best Andriod tablet on the market to date.
I will guarentee you, if everyone returned this tablet because of the GPS/Wifi issue. you would see a new backing on this thing so fast. Asus isn't stupid. For the majority, people find the issues tolerable or they wouldn't get it. As for people who have it that can't take it back ... they would be able to sell it on Kijiji/Ebay in a heartbeat(shouldn't have to, but it is an option).
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Sueing Asus over JPS/Wifi(or insert tec issue) issue is just ridiculousness. You don't like it ... take it back. It would be a little different if the thing malfunctioned and hurt someone in some weird way. Things that hurt/affect peoples quality of life ... that is understandable. Sueing companies over things like this is a waste of money and time. I would prefer Asus save that money and put it into their development instead. Everything that costs "company"... eventually always gets back to the consumer.
The product for the most part is exceptional. Everything fuctions, somethings are not fantastic like jps/wifi. Just look around on the net, this is consider'd by most reviewers the best Andriod tablet on the market to date.
I will guarentee you, if everyone returned this tablet because of the GPS/Wifi issue. you would see a new backing on this thing so fast. Asus isn't stupid. For the majority, people find the issues tolerable or they wouldn't get it. As for people who have it that can't take it back ... they would be able to sell it on Kijiji/Ebay in a heartbeat(shouldn't have to, but it is an option).
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Glad to see that people are so happy to let ASUS walk all over them. The sad truth is court is often the only way to motivate companies to do right. Consumer fraud is consumer fraud returning the unit does not hold them accountable.
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Glad to see that people are so happy to let ASUS walk all over them. The sad truth is court is often the only way to motivate companies to do right. Consumer fraud is consumer fraud returning the unit does not hold them accountable.
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That would be true if they committed fraud, which they did not. A device not functioning as intended is not fraud.
BongoBong said:
That would be true if they committed fraud, which they did not. A device not functioning as intended is not fraud.
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And they have acknowledged most of the issues, and have issued numerous updates in the 4 weeks since we have had these things.
Yeah, definitely sue.
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mikevipe said:
Glad to see that people are so happy to let ASUS walk all over them. The sad truth is court is often the only way to motivate companies to do right. Consumer fraud is consumer fraud returning the unit does not hold them accountable.
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You sir make no sense at all. Clearly you must not have read what i wrote. I will make it plan. ASUS has done no wrong. The TFP works just not to "industry" expectations in some regards. ASUS has even gone as far as taking the GPS off of future spec sheets even though said "spec" still functions.
Ya ... i clearly allow ASUS to walk all over me because i refuse to buy a product that isn't up to my expectations(fyi i could care less about the GPS).
A company that doesn't sell anything will soon be no company at all. I thought that was common sense, guess i was mistaken.
FYI: a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual.
^ doesn't fit this situation in anyway.