[Q]About full charge battery . - Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

When i unplugged my full charged battery it goes back to 97% again . It is normal or something buggy ? Or maybe on my battery ?
Thanks for the help . >.<

Have you tried to calibrate the battery gauge, you need to leave the phone on till the battery hits 0% and the phone shuts it`s self off , then do a full charge with the phone off, it take a little over 3hrs.
If you have a rooted phone, there are ways to delete the battery calibration data, so the phone is forced to re-build it.

I always do that wiping/recalibrating steps after i flash a kernel/ROM . but when i charge again to full 100% charge after i unplugged the charger the battery % goes back to 97/98% . It is normal ?
Thanks for the fast reply .

Thats about the seven million post on the same subject .
100% to 97% is normal .
jje

My S2 has never done that , after a full charge it stays at 100% for ages after being unplugged before it starts to drop.
JJEgan said:
Thats about the seven million post on the same subject .
100% to 97% is normal .
jje
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Ok so you are one user that is not normal .
Might have been fixed on a firmware update no idea not something i look at .
User gives no details .
jje

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[Q] Galaxy S2 battery drops sharply ...

Hi ,
I'm on stock ROM KF3 (Rooted) . Since last week I'm facing wierd problems with battery .
Today morning My battery was on ~ 50 % , then after 15 minutes , to my surprise my phone was off . I turned it on & to my shock saw battery critically low notification ( with 1% battery remaining ) .
Also after 10 minutes of being turned on , the indicator increased to 7% automatically .
I then plugged it in and made a complete 100% charge .Within 20 minutes from being unplugged it was on 94% ,So i did a restart and to my shock again the indicator showed 64% . Then within nearly 15 minutes on being turned on the indicator is increasing automatically in steps of 1% & now indicator shows 72% .
Is this an issue with the phone , battery or what .??
FYI I'm using battery monitor widget & circular battery indicator .
I'm posting my battery usage , battery graph from battery monitor widget & battery history from battery monitor widget for diagnosis . Please help .
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/9978/sc20110830201128.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3816/sc20111027172759.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6879/sc20111027172804.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5219/sc20111027172826.jpg
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/3927/sc20111027172834.jpg
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7443/sc20111027172844.jpg
Please reply.....
Did you try to calibrate your battery? There's an app available on the market called "Battery Calibration".
Charge your phone to 100%, start Battery Calibration and choose battery calibration. Plug your phone off and let it fully discharge. Then charge it to 100% without a break.
sasha007 said:
Hi ,
I'm on stock ROM KF3 (Rooted) . Since last week I'm facing wierd problems with battery .
Today morning My battery was on ~ 50 % , then after 15 minutes , to my surprise my phone was off . I turned it on & to my shock saw battery critically low notification ( with 1% battery remaining ) .
Also after 10 minutes of being turned on , the indicator increased to 7% automatically .
I then plugged it in and made a complete 100% charge .Within 20 minutes from being unplugged it was on 94% ,So i did a restart and to my shock again the indicator showed 64% . Then within nearly 15 minutes on being turned on the indicator is increasing automatically in steps of 1% & now indicator shows 72% .
Is this an issue with the phone , battery or what .??
FYI I'm using battery monitor widget & circular battery indicator .
I'm posting my battery usage , battery graph from battery monitor widget & battery history from battery monitor widget for diagnosis . Please help .
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/9978/sc20110830201128.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3816/sc20111027172759.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6879/sc20111027172804.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5219/sc20111027172826.jpg
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/3927/sc20111027172834.jpg
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7443/sc20111027172844.jpg
Please reply.....
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If battery calibration doesn't help:
Flash a newer ROM.
I recommend the latest, stable version for your region => XWKJ1.
There is a non-wipe Frankenstein version from Intratech (=> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075278).
Please read the first post carefully. Official Firmwares can be found in second post and Frankenstein versions (with can easily combines with different Modem and/or CSC files for other regions and/or providers) are in the third post.
After flashing the new ROM you may root your phone like described in the first post, or just flash a working CF-Root kernel from Chainfire.
For XWKJ1 CF-Root kernel XXKI4 and XWKI8 will do - as long as there is no CF-Root kernel exactly for XWKJ1.
Good luck !
It_ler said:
If battery calibration doesn't help:
Flash a newer ROM.
I recommend the latest, stable version for your region => XWKJ1.
There is a non-wipe Frankenstein version from Intratech (=> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075278).
Please read the first post carefully. Official Firmwares can be found in second post and Frankenstein versions (with can easily combines with different Modem and/or CSC files for other regions and/or providers) are in the third post.
After flashing the new ROM you may root your phone like described in the first post, or just flash a working CF-Root kernel from Chainfire.
For XWKJ1 CF-Root kernel XXKI4 and XWKI8 will do - as long as there is no CF-Root kernel exactly for XWKJ1.
Good luck !
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How is KJ1 the latest for my region .? I live in India and the latest still is KF3 ...
Which is the best out of KI3/KI8 or KJ series interms of battery life and overall performance. ????
You are on android 2.3.3 just download the new version of android ( 2.3.5 ) and you will see better battery stats
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA App
Blubbi4ever said:
Did you try to calibrate your battery? There's an app available on the market called "Battery Calibration".
Charge your phone to 100%, start Battery Calibration and choose battery calibration. Plug your phone off and let it fully discharge. Then charge it to 100% without a break.
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Did a full 100% charge . Then unplugged and chose battery calibration , which succeded .
Now i need to to let it fully discharge until phone turns off and then charge again to 100% .??
sasha007 said:
Did a full 100% charge . Then unplugged and chose battery calibration , which succeded .
Now i need to to let it fully discharge until phone turns off and then charge again to 100% .??
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Normally you have to choose battery calibration, before you unplug. but yes, that's how it works.
Blubbi4ever said:
Normally you have to choose battery calibration, before you unplug. but yes, that's how it works.
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Oh .!
So choosing calibration after 100% unplugged won't perform proper callibration then .?
sasha007 said:
Oh .!
So choosing calibration after 100% unplugged won't perform proper callibration then .?
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Yeah, you should have clicked calibrate on the app while you were still plugged in at 100%
rey031 said:
Yeah, you should have clicked calibrate on the app while you were still plugged in at 100%
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Should i do it again then .???
sasha007 said:
Should i do it again then .???
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i was also getting weak battery backup pf 10-15hr max.....then updated to custom rom.
1.senesation 1.8 with ninphetamine 2.1.3, now i am getting more than 22-26 battery backup with use of voice call, messaging, browsing, music play.
2. i also collaborate battery by charging battery to 100%(until unplug charger comes) then drain battery until it gets switched off. then again i charge to 100% then immediately went to CWM n cleared battery stats
3. Also i am using Juice Defender
I uploaded screenshots. You can see, Its already done 13.40hr still battery is 57% left.
sasha007 said:
Oh .!
So choosing calibration after 100% unplugged won't perform proper callibration then .?
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Dude,
Sorry to say that, but you did a bad method of battery calibration...
You are wrong.
The best and only way to calibrate accurately your battery is described here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1312273
Take a look if you wanna do it correctly
cheers
I have a similar problem. My battery stays at 100% and prevents itself from charging. Last night I left my phone unplugged and when I woke up this morning it was still at 100% and when I plugged in the charging cable it said Phone is charged, remove charger.
This causes some real problems. Like yesterday I was using my phone then bam! The screen shut off. That was strange, I thought. It didn't look like the usual screen timeout and sleep because it didn't dim first. But then I tried pressing the power button and that didn't work either. So I took the battery out and put it back in. Still nothing. I started getting really bummed. What could be wrong? So I connected it to the charger and still nothing. Now I am getting really, REALLY bummed. Well after a minute or two on the charger I saw the big green battery come on with 0% charged level. Well, I am happy because the phone is working again, but confused because I just took the phone off the charger less than a half hour ago. Why 0% now?
I am still on totally stock, no root, no nothing. I have not tried battery calibration, but somehow I don't think it will help my problem.

[Q] URJENT help needed battery fall in 2 minutes [VIDEO]

hi people
please check this 2 min video and you will come to know what i am trying to say and what help i need
Note : this video is raw not edited.
100% to 81% in just 2 min
i use :
1. ics final by jusada
2. lagfreev1
3. volume battery drain fix
i recently did battery calibration also both by software and cwm recovery wipe method. due tho this i have to remain under power or other way is to switch off and charge, but guys i can't switch off my device its always ringing and my business also.
Youtube video link as i don't know how to embed here :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecEaHAaXSwU
Calibrate battery:
Turn phone off
Charge until 100% appears on the screen.
Turn off charger and remove battery
Put battery back in battery after at least 90 seconds.
Use CWM to boot into recovery
Go to advanced and delete Battery Stats
Reboot phone & DO NOT recharge
When the phone reaches 10% charge, put back on charge.
Remember all battery start to loose their charge if used constantly. Re chargable batteries become less effective over time.
Wy u disconnect the charger when it reaches 100%?? Its fake dude. Wait till the system reminds u in the notification that battery charged!!.. Some ROMs might hav removed that.. Seriously charge ur battery from 10% to 100% for 3 HRS...
Prashanthme said:
Wy u disconnect the charger when it reaches 100%?? Its fake dude. Wait till the system reminds u in the notification that battery charged!!.. Some ROMs might hav removed that.. Seriously charge ur battery from 10% to 100% for 3 HRS...
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It's not fake. I charged for six hours straight and have th same result as this guy. cooltt is correct: the effectiveness of rechargable batteries degrade over time.
Sent from my GT-S5830
cooltt said:
Calibrate battery:
Turn phone off
Charge until 100% appears on the screen.
Turn off charger and remove battery
Put battery back in battery after at least 90 seconds.
Use CWM to boot into recovery
Go to advanced and delete Battery Stats
Reboot phone & DO NOT recharge
When the phone reaches 10% charge, put back on charge.
Remember all battery start to loose their charge if used constantly. Re chargable batteries become less effective over time.
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I already did this mate as i have stated in my 1st post. Regarding effectiveness i purchased this mobile 1 month ago.
Sent from my GT-S5830 using Tapatalk
Prashanthme said:
Wy u disconnect the charger when it reaches 100%?? Its fake dude. Wait till the system reminds u in the notification that battery charged!!.. Some ROMs might hav removed that.. Seriously charge ur battery from 10% to 100% for 3 HRS...
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I am on custom rom mate and nothing reminds at full charge. Don't comment when u cant help
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mor_1228 said:
I am on custom rom mate and nothing reminds at full charge. Don't comment when u cant help
Sent from my GT-S5830 using Tapatalk
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He meant with a good intention .
The more you become hostile , the more people will not help you .
Herpderp Adreno + Tegra.
EmoBoiix3 said:
He meant with a good intention .
The more you become hostile , the more people will not help you .
Herpderp Adreno + Tegra.
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He commented as video fake, whereas i already mentioned in first post the video is not edited and is raw posted here.
Ok everyone calm down.
My original post about how to calibrate this battery is correct, i'm using ICS final no tweaks by Jusada and i get the 100% charged confirmation when i charge with phone switched off.
I know some custom roms don't have this feature but you can still charge to capacity with the phone on, when it reaches 100% turn the phone off and charge for a further 20 mins.
This battery takes 2hrs 42 mins to charge from dead but you should never allow it to die as it strains the internal structure of the battery.
The battery icon is not a true representation of the remaining charge until the phone has been used over a couple of days and charged up at least once, this is the way all rechargerble batteries work
ya actually if i charge with my device off i get full charge in 2:30 to 3 hours but when i switch on and charge then it charges from dead to 100 in just 1:30 hours so by this i know we are not getting full charge while on.
but guys this is bad we need to find some way out this is really not good that we have to switch off our devices as there can be some emergency also, never did in my nokia,blackberry.
by the way in some thread i read this trick so today i followed this and will post my result after 24 hours :
How to Calibrate your battery ; guide by Hiroshirou :
1. (phone on) charge to 100% until it actually says full in settings > about phone > status > battery status
2. unplug charger and turn off phone
3. (phone off) plug charger in until it charges to 100%
4. unplug charger and power it on
5. (phone on) plug the charger in and charge it to 100%
6. unplug charger and reboot phone to recovery (into cwm5)
7. go to advanced and clear battery stats.
8. turn on the the phone and charge it to 100% - DONE!
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its normal, android battery gauge is lying all along.
combine with already ****ty battery in ace made it even worse.
www.androidpolice.com/2010/12/14/your-battery-gauge-is-lying-to-you-everything-you-need-to-know-about-bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
and read this to calibrate. its the one and only tuts i use to recalibrate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1071885
Did you by any chance, send an input current into an output port? (like 3.5mm jack)
redlag said:
Did you by any chance, send an input current into an output port? (like 3.5mm jack)
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never mate i never did that.
mor_1228 said:
never mate i never did that.
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Alright. I once accidently put my speaker output into 3.5mm jack instead of speaker input in my last phone and my battery didn't use to last more than 30 minutes. Maybe you can try to swap batteries temporarily to check if it's a battery issue or phone/software issue! That will narrow it down.
its a software issue only as my battery is new i purchased 1 month ago.
Backup data and perform a fresh installation and calibrate again.
It this doesn't work, it's definitely a hardware issue.
P.s. age doesn't matter. A bad battery will go bad whenever it wants to. I will still suggest you to try swapping batteries first to narrow down the issue. Try krne mein kya jata hai?
oki i am on a test of a procedure that will complete in 24 hours after that i will try to use fresh installation right now i am busy in editing custom ROM for me so i guess have to wait for battery to got down till 10%.

GT-I9300 Galaxy S3 charging problem -SOLVED-

Hi all!
I have a problem with charging.when I pluged in the charger, the charging LED is always red even if the battery shows 100% it says on the screen "charging" the LED light never becames "green"
any suggestion to fix the problem?
Android 4.0.4
I9300XXLFB
Kernel 3.0.15
SOLVED
Discharging battery completely and charging it while it is switched off solved the problem. charging took 2,5 hours but finally the green light is on.
yeey
Then it is not fully charged, it should say charged
sewe said:
Then it is not fully charged, it should say charged
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So how come it shows 100% ?
One charge to 100% remove lead wait 5 plug it back in charge 100% .
Boot to recovery and wipe battery stats .
That fails backup data factory reset phone .
That fails return to a service center .
jje
JJEgan said:
One charge to 100% remove lead wait 5 plug it back in charge 100% .
Boot to recovery and wipe battery stats .
That fails backup data factory reset phone .
That fails return to a service center .
jje
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Wiping battery stats does nothing.
JJEgan said:
One charge to 100% remove lead wait 5 plug it back in charge 100% .
Boot to recovery and wipe battery stats .
That fails backup data factory reset phone .
That fails return to a service center .
jje
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thank you jje,
I discharged completely and its now charging while it is switched off. I will see if this helps or not to solve the problem.
If not, I will boot to recovery and wipe battery stats. I am new at android, I hope I can handle with it.
any risk on boot to recovery and wipe stats?
tossytheking said:
thank you jje,
I discharged completely and its now charging while it is switched off. I will see if this helps or not to solve the problem.
If not, I will boot to recovery and wipe battery stats. I am new at android, I hope I can handle with it.
any risk on boot to recovery and wipe stats?
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There is no risk because wiping battery stats in recovery doesn't do anything that the phone doesn't already do by itself.
Battery stats are wiped every single time your phone charges to 100%.
I have a problem with charging.when I pluged in the charger, the charging LED is always red even if the battery shows 100% it says on the screen "charging" the LED light never becames "green"
Just wanna ask are you pertaining to the one beside the network bars or the ontification 100%?
I too had the same problem took 8 hours to charge from 0% to 100%, I took the mobile to Samsung service center they found the problem is in battery and provide replacement battery.
I had phone over heating problem they solved it now.
Solution for JB error in charging
Dear pals,
i have been experiencing serious error in concern with charging as u guys face. it never charges in JB or it takes more than 9hrs. there is no solution for it until samsung fix the bug in JB. so the solution we can go for is downgrading JB to ICS. this way ur ICS rom is better and smoother. in Addition the CHARGING is proper in ICS. so downgrade and wait fot samsung to fix bug in JB
Can I get a new s3 battery?
I got my s3 few months back
And I hv recently been facing a problem. I have been using the s3 charger. But it takes forevr to charge. 4 to 6% took around 20 minutes. And also it drains out quickly. I was listening to music today for 20 minutes and I lost 10% charge. This is defnitely not normal. I tried removing the battery and putting it again. Switched it off and on. But the problem is still there. So I want to knw whether I can get a new battery for my phone if I show my warranty card for the phone.
anonymous95 said:
I got my s3 few months back
And I hv recently been facing a problem. I have been using the s3 charger. But it takes forevr to charge. 4 to 6% took around 20 minutes. And also it drains out quickly. I was listening to music today for 20 minutes and I lost 10% charge. This is defnitely not normal. I tried removing the battery and putting it again. Switched it off and on. But the problem is still there. So I want to knw whether I can get a new battery for my phone if I show my warranty card for the phone.
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turn of wifi,bluetut,gps,
turn on power saving
open setting-developer options, change background process to at most 4 process

[Q] Charging Battery

I charge my S3 battery until it's Fully Charged, after minutes of unplugging the charger, it drops to 97-95%
Can someone help me please
On most Android Jelly Beam (4.X.X) this usually happened. If search this forum you can found it. Dont worry.
Regards
Lither said:
I charge my S3 battery until it's Fully Charged, after minutes of unplugging the charger, it drops to 97-95%
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Are u rooted; do u have CWM installed?
Charge from below 20% to 100%;
Boot into recovery and clear battery stats.
Now ur batery is calibrated again....
U may need to do it more than three times....
AS per ten billion posts its normal and a search would have told you that .
jje

battery drains on my xperia ray ??

i have a serious issue with my device , my device indicating wrong battery status (which i think so) , whenever i try to charge my device it starts charging 1% after every 2-3 sec and even more faster discharging rate, so i changed my battery with another one but still same result . my phone take 10% of juice within 30 sec of uses.
the problem begins when i switched back to stock ics rom after using a lot of roms without flashing the kernels . now i tried everything i m on stock rom with stock sony kernel , even more i tried stock GB rom but same result again .
currently i m on.....
stock .587 firmware
formatted D-card
locked bootloader
stock SONY kernel.
How can i solve this issue. please help me, its so annoying
thanx!
AW: battery drains on my xperia ray ??
download this from playstore:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration
charge till 100%, start the app, press calibrate and then unplug your phone from charger. your phone must be rootet.
after calibration use your phone till it has only 1 or 2 % left, then charge again to 100% without interrupt. dont calibrate again.
if the problem still isnt fixed with calibration, try this:
justmpm said:
...It could be that your power meter has gone wonky and this can be reset by charging the phone to 100% and then removing the battery and the usb cable from the phone for 10 minutes. Return the battery to the phone and charge it back up to 100%.
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if it worked press thanks under justmpm's post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=37608526
xPeRiA_RaVi said:
i have a serious issue with my device , my device indicating wrong battery status (which i think so) , whenever i try to charge my device it starts charging 1% after every 2-3 sec and even more faster discharging rate, so i changed my battery with another one but still same result . my phone take 10% of juice within 30 sec of uses.
the problem begins when i switched back to stock ics rom after using a lot of roms without flashing the kernels . now i tried everything i m on stock rom with stock sony kernel , even more i tried stock GB rom but same result again .
currently i m on.....
stock .587 firmware
formatted D-card
locked bootloader
stock SONY kernel.
How can i solve this issue. please help me, its so annoying
thanx!
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My friend, i can see you have problem with the batery life. I don't know if any of you has noticed this, but when the phone is charging and it reaches 100%, you shouldn't remove the charger. The phone is still charging even after reaching 100%,sometimes for half an hour. If you want to see when the phone is fully charged, go to Settings-About phone-Phone status. In the first field you can find if the phone is or is not fully charged. Try this and let's see what happens. I hope i can help some of you.
see the pictures u can understand...
Before charing is complete evn when it is 100% charged
The acctual 100% charged...
rob rich said:
download this from playstore:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration
charge till 100%, start the app, press calibrate and then unplug your phone from charger. your phone must be rootet.
after calibration use your phone till it has only 1 or 2 % left, then charge again to 100% without interrupt. dont calibrate again.
if the problem still isnt fixed with calibration, try this:
if it worked press thanks under justmpm's post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=37608526
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kuramsai said:
My friend, i can see you have problem with the batery life. I don't know if any of you has noticed this, but when the phone is charging and it reaches 100%, you shouldn't remove the charger. The phone is still charging even after reaching 100%,sometimes for half an hour. If you want to see when the phone is fully charged, go to Settings-About phone-Phone status. In the first field you can find if the phone is or is not fully charged. Try this and let's see what happens. I hope i can help some of you.
see the pictures u can understand...
Before charing is complete evn when it is 100% charged
The acctual 100% charged...
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thanx for replying but the problem is still there ,i perform all the operation as u guys mentioned but no good result :crying:
I once had problems with the Mediaserver which was draining my batterie.
it did so because of 2 Videos he didn't recognize, i also heard the Mediaserver can run crazy if the sd card is broken.
So which app is using your batterie that much?
AW: battery drains on my xperia ray ??
have you tried flashing other roms? is there the same problem?
EDIT: forget my question, just saw that you said you flashed GB rom too
xPeRiA_RaVi said:
i have a serious issue with my device , my device indicating wrong battery status (which i think so) , whenever i try to charge my device it starts charging 1% after every 2-3 sec and even more faster discharging rate, so i changed my battery with another one but still same result . my phone take 10% of juice within 30 sec of uses.
the problem begins when i switched back to stock ics rom after using a lot of roms without flashing the kernels . now i tried everything i m on stock rom with stock sony kernel , even more i tried stock GB rom but same result again .
currently i m on.....
stock .587 firmware
formatted D-card
locked bootloader
stock SONY kernel.
How can i solve this issue. please help me, its so annoying
thanx!
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Can you post a screenshot from the first battery screen? That one will show which process are using the battery up. In places of the screen shot you posted, it looks like there is a problem with your phone staying awake when the screen is off.
xPeRiA_RaVi said:
thanx for replying but the problem is still there ,i perform all the operation as u guys mentioned but no good result :crying:
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try unistalling task killers n antivirus...hope it work.....
battery is not draining, actually it is showing wrongly .... every time after removing battery it shows actual amount of battery remaining , yesterday i charged my phone several time until it reached actually 95% and then i starts playing temple run, the battery indicator reaches at 1% within 20 mins and then it remains at 1% charged until 3 hours of continuous gaming and then shuts off, then i put it on charging and it reaches 100% within 15%
and yesterday night i put my phone again into charging and today morning it is showing 100% and after 6 hours of moderate use it is still 100%
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xPeRiA_RaVi said:
...and after 6 hours of moderate use it is still 100%
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great battery life
did you try full wipe in recovery + wipe battery stats in recovery and flash stock rom again?

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