Any CM7 news for X2?
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/24376-motorola-droid-x2-mb870/page__p__227934
Nothing new.
Not until we unlock the bootloader...
Probably nothing especially since the bionic has come out. DX2 has always been the Red Headed Step Child.
quadjacks said:
Probably nothing especially since the bionic has come out. DX2 has always been the Red Headed Step Child.
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And once the Prime and Vigor come out....wait what phone are we talking about?!
SwiftLegend said:
Not until we unlock the bootloader...
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That's not true. CM7 for the DX1 works with a locked bootloader and 2nd-init. DX1 CM7 also only works right now with a Froyo kernel. It should not be impossible now that we have 2nd-init with GB.
Did anyone ask who was actually working on it? I remember the name "dragonzkiller" thrown around but nothing seemed to have come from it. If he isn't, did anyone actually start up the project again? I hate this idea of asking "what the status?" without asking "who is working on it?" and "can we help out?"
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That's not true. CM7 for the DX1 works with a locked bootloader and 2nd-init. DX1 CM7 also only works right now with a Froyo kernel. It should not be impossible now that we have 2nd-init with GB.
Did anyone ask who was actually working on it? I remember the name "dragonzkiller" thrown around but nothing seemed to have come from it. If he isn't, did anyone actually start up the project again? I hate this idea of asking "what the status?" without asking "who is working on it?" and "can we help out?"
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The 'locked bootloader' response is pretty standard on this, and it's getting annoying.
Original X= locked bootloader = CM7
However (I may be wrong) didn't they get CM7 to work by using a dev X? Figured out some way to use 2nd-init after playing with a fully unlocked X? I remember reading something like that...
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That's not true. CM7 for the DX1 works with a locked bootloader and 2nd-init. DX1 CM7 also only works right now with a Froyo kernel. It should not be impossible now that we have 2nd-init with GB.
Did anyone ask who was actually working on it? I remember the name "dragonzkiller" thrown around but nothing seemed to have come from it. If he isn't, did anyone actually start up the project again? I hate this idea of asking "what the status?" without asking "who is working on it?" and "can we help out?"
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That being said, you will wind up with a CM7 that has no custom kernel. Nothing wrong with that, but it's kinda half assed if you ask me. Basically like installing a theme + apps and debloating. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
mistawolfe said:
The 'locked bootloader' response is pretty standard on this, and it's getting annoying.
Original X= locked bootloader = CM7
However (I may be wrong) didn't they get CM7 to work by using a dev X? Figured out some way to use 2nd-init after playing with a fully unlocked X? I remember reading something like that...
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That wouldn't make any sense. If you are unlocked, you wouldn't need 2nd-init since you have complete access to the first init. Also, they had to pull a number of modifications to get the Froyo kernel to work on the CM7 GB base. If you are unlocked, you shouldn't need to do all that work. You would've just flashed the latest and greatest kernel.
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That being said, you will wind up with a CM7 that has no custom kernel. Nothing wrong with that, but it's kinda half assed if you ask me. Basically like installing a theme + apps and debloating. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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True. But my feeling right now is that we have no idea at the phone's base performance with all of the Moto blur running on top of it. I'd like to see at least one pure AOSP ROM to see where we are at.
Plus more flashing options are good and CM7 is not a bad option.
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That wouldn't make any sense. If you are unlocked, you wouldn't need 2nd-init since you have complete access to the first init. Also, they had to pull a number of modifications to get the Froyo kernel to work on the CM7 GB base. If you are unlocked, you shouldn't need to do all that work. You would've just flashed the latest and greatest kernel.
True. But my feeling right now is that we have no idea at the phone's base performance with all of the Moto blur running on top of it. I'd like to see at least one pure AOSP ROM to see where we are at.
Plus more flashing options are good and CM7 is not a bad option.
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My message came out wrong.
I always ask the same thing, "Why can they figure out CM on an X but not an X2?" - and someone told me they learned from an unlocked developer device what it would take to make it run on a standard locked X. Basically the ones engineers get.
This was the answer I got in a forum, so I guess I should take it with a grain of salt, but that's what I read.
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That being said, you will wind up with a CM7 that has no custom kernel. Nothing wrong with that, but it's kinda half assed if you ask me. Basically like installing a theme + apps and debloating. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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That's why I responded with "Not until unlocked bootloader"
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That's why I responded with "Not until unlocked bootloader"
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Not to offend you because I don't really even know you, but I think this highlights a problem in our community.
I think our community has an awful mentality. There are too many people who say they want something without really knowing what to do to get it, let alone have the initiative to get it. I think the biggest problem in the community is our lack of devs. Most of them don't even own this phone. Yet we somehow expect good ROMs to appear overnight and when we don't get them, we blame Moto and VZW for all our problems. Really? Say we get a bootloader unlock at the end of this year. Do we really expect devs to come to our phone in droves with all the LTE goodness in everyone's road map? Really? If we want CM7 on our phone, how about we work on a 2nd-init version today so if we get unlocked, it takes a few weeks for a kernel-enhanced CM7 instead of a few months.
I want us to change our mentality to doers instead of winers. So much time is wasted on flaming Moto and VZW and wining about our phone instead of something constructive. Take the initiative people. You want a ROM that does X, Y, Z? How about you learn how to make that ROM. Don't know how to make a ROM? Ask Nitro. Ask navenedrob. Go and ask someone who knows to help. If someone else has a ROM with the same idea, pair up and become a team. You want a kernel to overclock? Learn about kexec and how to get that to work. Learn about our bootloader and possible ways to crack it. There are so many ways to contribute to this community yet soo many people love to post in the "state of our crappy phone" thread. Seriously. Take the initiative people.
Now that I got that out. Is anyone still working on a DX2 CM7? If not what, do we need to do to get that started up again if someone wants it?
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Now that I got that out. Is anyone still working on a DX2 CM7? If not what, do we need to do to get that started up again if someone wants it?
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if i knew what to do id totally help. ive wanted to get into android development for a while just never had a device until a few weeks ago
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Not to offend you because I don't really even know you, but I think this highlights a problem in our community.
I think our community has an awful mentality. There are too many people who say they want something without really knowing what to do to get it, let alone have the initiative to get it. I think the biggest problem in the community is our lack of devs. Most of them don't even own this phone. Yet we somehow expect good ROMs to appear overnight and when we don't get them, we blame Moto and VZW for all our problems. Really? Say we get a bootloader unlock at the end of this year. Do we really expect devs to come to our phone in droves with all the LTE goodness in everyone's road map? Really? If we want CM7 on our phone, how about we work on a 2nd-init version today so if we get unlocked, it takes a few weeks for a kernel-enhanced CM7 instead of a few months.
I want us to change our mentality to doers instead of winers. So much time is wasted on flaming Moto and VZW and wining about our phone instead of something constructive. Take the initiative people. You want a ROM that does X, Y, Z? How about you learn how to make that ROM. Don't know how to make a ROM? Ask Nitro. Ask navenedrob. Go and ask someone who knows to help. If someone else has a ROM with the same idea, pair up and become a team. You want a kernel to overclock? Learn about kexec and how to get that to work. Learn about our bootloader and possible ways to crack it. There are so many ways to contribute to this community yet soo many people love to post in the "state of our crappy phone" thread. Seriously. Take the initiative people.
Now that I got that out. Is anyone still working on a DX2 CM7? If not what, do we need to do to get that started up again if someone wants it?
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Agree. I would try helping with development if I knew how. I'd have to go learn Java now and who knows how long that will take. I was only saying that we needed an unlocked bootloader because you know that people are going to complain that we have CM7 (theoretically) but no custom kernel. You know how many headaches that would cause just from reading a bunch of threads full of complaints...
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Now that I got that out. Is anyone still working on a DX2 CM7? If not what, do we need to do to get that started up again if someone wants it?
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Someone named dragonzkiller is who your looking for...just posted in the development section that he's still trying to get it going...
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So since we can make stock ROMs for the Atrix, wouldn't it be possible to make a stock Android 2.2 ROM?
Your post makes no sense. First of all, we can't make stock ROMs and don't have any for the Atrix, or at least not yet. And second, this phone already has 2.2, so even if we had a stock ROM for the Atrix, it already would be 2.2.
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Your post makes no sense. First of all, we can't make stock ROMs and don't have any for the Atrix, or at least not yet. And second, this phone already has 2.2, so even if we had a stock ROM for the Atrix, it already would be 2.2.
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You clearly don't know anything about Android. First off, the Atrix doesn't have a Stock Android 2.2 ROM.... its running MotoBlur. Stock Android is just plain Android without the skin. Just like it was on the Nexus One.
And there is already one ROM.
Now, before you post some more stupid sh*t. Think.
http://source.android.com/ feel free to get started
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http://source.android.com/ feel free to get started
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Hahaha i dont know how i didnt find this!, THANK YOU!
Didn't someone make a ROM already? I know that one isn't stock but I'm guessing we are on the right track.
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Didn't someone make a ROM already? I know that one isn't stock but I'm guessing we are on the right track.
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Yeah: Adeo v0.1 ROM
With that being made its suppose to be possible to make strait up stock Android ROMs that we see in the Nexus S and the Nexus One.
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Yeah: Adeo v0.1 ROM
With that being made its suppose to be possible to make strait up stock Android ROMs that we see in the Nexus S and the Nexus One.
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Lol, that'll never happen. Not until the bootloader is cracked, and that will be a long time from now, if ever.
di11igaf said:
Lol, that'll never happen. Not until the bootloader is cracked, and that will be a long time from now, if ever.
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@ di11igaf - do you think its possible that when (and i know it will be some time) android 2.3 is released for the Atrix that it will be released with an unlocked bootloader? Could this possibly be our ONLY hope for now? A long shot and a pipe dream... ?
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Lol, that'll never happen. Not until the bootloader is cracked, and that will be a long time from now, if ever.
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oooh. I was told that by a "developer" but I had a feeling that it was BS.
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You clearly don't know anything about Android. First off, the Atrix doesn't have a Stock Android 2.2 ROM.... its running MotoBlur. Stock Android is just plain Android without the skin. Just like it was on the Nexus One.
And there is already one ROM.
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I know it doesn't have a stock android ROM. You said "So since we can make stock ROMs for the Atrix"...NOBODY HAS OR MADE A STOCK ROM FOR THE ATRIX.
You seem to think so, you're WRONG. Yes, there is a "ROM" for the Atrix (it's not really a ROM, or what your thinking of at least but technically yes it is a ROM) but it is not a "stock" ROM. So anyways, you're an idiot that thinks you know what your talking about, and you don't. Go read up on some stuff so your not an asshole to other users when they are just trying to explain something.
I think both of you should take this argument into pvt conversation and keep it out of the forum... have some respect for other members...
Yea you're right, sorry. But yea I'm just going to quit now I guess, no need to waste my time in a pvt conversation.
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@ di11igaf - do you think its possible that when (and i know it will be some time) android 2.3 is released for the Atrix that it will be released with an unlocked bootloader? Could this possibly be our ONLY hope for now? A long shot and a pipe dream... ?
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i wouldnt count on it. maybe if motorola realizes its not a good idea to screw developers and people who actually want use android the way we should be able to, since it is open source and not an iphone, but thats just wishful thinking. i wish everyone who was unhappy about the bootloader situation would return the phone or not buy it instead of saying ya, the bootloader things sucks, but other than that i love the phone(and i do like the phone, but im not keeping it for this reason), and let them know why. im sure there will be quite a few who do return it for this reason(me), but most people will mention that they hope its cracked, but theyll keep the phone.
and moto will keep doing it if they keep selling phones, and maybe if their flagship phones start to fail and this was a reason, they will reconsider giving us a way to unlock it, but this is about as unlikely as the bootloader being cracked
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I know it doesn't have a stock android ROM. You said "So since we can make stock ROMs for the Atrix"...NOBODY HAS OR MADE A STOCK ROM FOR THE ATRIX.
You seem to think so, you're WRONG. Yes, there is a "ROM" for the Atrix (it's not really a ROM, or what your thinking of at least but technically yes it is a ROM) but it is not a "stock" ROM. So anyways, you're an idiot that thinks you know what your talking about, and you don't. Go read up on some stuff so your not an asshole to other users when they are just trying to explain something.
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Ummmm yes there is a "stock" rom for the Atrix dumb b*tch. that Rom thats up is a MotoBlur Android 2.2 Rom..... and when I said Android 2.2 Stock Rom that is the ROM that is on the Nexus One.....
Go back to iOS where you belong.
Now that we have 2nd-unit, do you think koush or another dev will step in and fix the version koush initially released?
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Now that we have 2nd-unit, do you think koush or another dev will step in and fix the version koush initially released?
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which version did koush originally release for us?
there is/was a project for fully functional recovery
still would be tethered
but I recommend just not.worrying bout it until u see something pop up reference to it.
the dev working on it is a very busy person
Thanks ash
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which version did koush originally release for us?
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V 5.0.2.5 I believe...it still shows up on rom manager, but whenever u tried to apply it, it would not actually take, the phone would just simply reboot. Then he said he got it going, but didnt want to release it because it only worked the same way ours did now by being plugged in & haven't heard anything since...
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V 5.0.2.5 I believe...it still shows up on rom manager, but whenever u tried to apply it, it would not actually take, the phone would just simply reboot. Then he said he got it going, but didnt want to release it because it only worked the same way ours did now by being plugged in & haven't heard anything since...
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yeah I remember
but what kills me is I would DIE to have it functional even if its still tethered.
it sux he wont even get together with any of our devs to help out
wish he would just release the thing and let our devs mess with it.
but I guess we aren't owed anything by him. even if he does have a functional one that just needs to be tethered. I guess him getting that x2 was kind of a waste. o well
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yeah I remember
but what kills me is I would DIE to have it functional even if its still tethered.
it sux he wont even get together with any of our devs to help out
wish he would just release the thing and let our devs mess with it.
but I guess we aren't owed anything by him. even if he does have a functional one that just needs to be tethered. I guess him getting that x2 was kind of a waste. o well
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++++++1 indeed! Im pretty sure one of our great devs could get it going now the balls somewhat rolling...
ashclepdia said:
yeah I remember
but what kills me is I would DIE to have it functional even if its still tethered.
it sux he wont even get together with any of our devs to help out
wish he would just release the thing and let our devs mess with it.
but I guess we aren't owed anything by him. even if he does have a functional one that just needs to be tethered. I guess him getting that x2 was kind of a waste. o well
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Ash just curious and trying to educate myself here. If his method is still tethered what does his offer that out current one does not? I hear his is fully functional but what does that mean? Sorry for the noob question
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Ash just curious and trying to educate myself here. If his method is still tethered what does his offer that out current one does not? I hear his is fully functional but what does that mean? Sorry for the noob question
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its more useful to our devs.
it would be able to use the so called "better scripting" I believe its edify since amend scripting is outdated and old. also should let us use ALL the advanced options correctly.
like I said tho. mainly helpful to the devs. allows for the devs to I believe have their rims wipe data and stuff when flashing instead of us having to manually do it.
I am not certain if that.
dragonzkiller had explained it briefly to me a while ago but I can't remember all of it.
also. I think nandroid would take less space as I think in the newer ones it creates zips instead of img. someone else with more knowledge will step in probly and give a better explanation on this subject sorry
Ash thanks that was good enough just trying to learn as much as i can. Thanks!
Needed a Flash fix, so I flashed a few Roms on my OG Droid. GOD I MISS CWM Recovery. Forgot how much easier life was.
So I was thinking earlier today, according to a few people, we apparently have RIL working just not a kernel source to make AOKP/AOSP stable.
I also thought, well, we have plenty of people still running GB ROMs and people on GB firmware. Why don't people try to put together a CM7.2 ROM since we do have source for GB.
I'm pretty sure Android is all about choice and variety so I ask someone who is experienced in porting, development, etc. Why doesn't someone get in touch with Tekk, or whoever has RIL working and pop out a CM7 (.2?) port, it's still AOSP so it'll hold people over and hell, some people would probably prefer it, not to mention that I'm sure people would rather have a form of Cyanogenmod over nothing at all.
I have no clue how, nor the computer to ever begin trying it, so it's why I ask.
This would definitely be nice. Cm7.2 is amazing on my incredible. I would love to see it on the rezound! Maybe... Just maybe...
Gingerbread AOSP will be just as hard.
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Gingerbread AOSP will be just as hard.
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No it won't because the sources are available
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con247 said:
Gingerbread AOSP will be just as hard.
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They got everything working in ICS, would NONE of it be able to work towards GB??
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Gingerbread AOSP will be just as hard.
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I thought we had everything we needed available?
If RIL is fixed for ICS AOSP ROMs supposedly, and we're waiting for kernel source to get it stable, couldn't we translate the RIL fixes down to a GB AOSP ROM, I thought also since we have GB kernel source, all loose ends would be tied up?
We would need someone to take time to make a RIL. I doubt they would. They said in the passed they didn't want to cause of ICS but if we can't progress in CM9 due to kernel source. Why not progress in CM7. Might be a step back but you would make a lot of people happy.
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We would need someone to take time to make a RIL. I doubt they would. They said in the passed they didn't want to cause of ICS but if we can't progress in CM9 due to kernel source. Why not progress in CM7. Might be a step back but you would make a lot of people happy.
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This is kinda my sentiment, if we can't progress any farther on CM9 until HTC/Verizon get the OTA out (which could come as early as next week or as late as 2 months from now, if the latest June-July report is accurate), why not do a CM7 side project, it would seem we have most of, if not all of what we need available.
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This is kinda my sentiment, if we can't progress any farther on CM9 until HTC/Verizon get the OTA out, why not do a CM7 side project, it would seem we have most of, if not all of what we need available.
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"side project" Very well said
This would probably also bring us GB CM and MIUI.
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This would probably also bring us GB CM and MIUI.
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Which to me and probably many others is better than possibly nothing and if nothing else, just gives us some more variety which is never bad.
There are a ****load of other fixes aside from RIL that were done for ICS that would have to be redone for GB. For example, things like EGL took a long time to fix for ICS.
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There are a ****load of other fixes aside from RIL that were done for ICS that would have to be redone for GB. For example, things like EGL took a long time to fix for ICS.
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This I did not know, hence why I did ask about this;
I think this would great but idk if I could live without my apex launcher!!
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"side project" Very well said
This would probably also bring us GB CM and MIUI.
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Why is everybody asking for something instead of attempting to learn something and do it as their own "side-project"?
I got sick of waiting for AOSP, so I found one a ROM I liked and I asked the original dev if I could try to port it. He said go for it, and so I started working on it. Once I have a something worthy of going public, it might just pop up somewhere...
Anyways, the point is, why do I see everybody asking for things but nobody willing to try and do it themselves? Isn't the whole point of Android the ability to tinker with it and make it do whatever you want?
...but, if you're going to depend on someone else to do it for you, it just doesn't seem fair to ask the developers here to "hurry up" or go out of their way to develop something they aren't interested in using themselves..
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Why is everybody asking for something instead of attempting to learn something and do it as their own "side-project"?
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I am attempting to learn btw
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I am attempting to learn btw
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Me too! ****s taking up a lot of my time but it sure is fun!
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Me too! ****s taking up a lot of my time but it sure is fun!
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Sometimes it's fun. haha pain most of the time
I never came in here and asked people per say to do anything,
I did ask about the possibility of it happening and I said foremost that I'm not able to even try because I don't have a computer that's powerful enough to do that kind of work.
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I never came in here and asked people per say to do anything,
I did ask about the possibility of it happening and I said foremost that I'm not able to even try because I don't have a computer that's powerful enough to do that kind of work.
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I understand you were asking about the possibility and not saying something like "Hurry the hell up and give me at least CM7!" and honestly my comment wasn't directed at you at all, or any other single person for that matter. It just seems like in general, we have a common theme of people asking for things like they are entitled, but having no interest in actually contributing to anything at all. I was attempting to point out that really any of us could learn to do these things, if we would just try to spend some time on it...
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I understand you were asking about the possibility and not saying something like "Hurry the hell up and give me at least CM7!" and honestly my comment wasn't directed at you at all, or any other single person for that matter. It just seems like in general, we have a common theme of people asking for things like they are entitled, but having no interest in actually contributing to anything at all. I was attempting to point out that really any of us could learn to do these things, if we would just try to spend some time on it...
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I would love to learn, however I lack the time requirement to learn it with a full time + job, a three year old, a preggers wife, and a house to get ready for the new demon spawn. Sucks because I'd probably be pretty good at it too. I have no expectations on devs and will continue to patiently wait for anything they release.
So as I understand it, the Photon has drivers issues which is why we dont have a port of for instant a droid bionic version of moto ICS, or moto jellybean. I am wondering what we need to get a kernel going. If this happened this would open up the possibility for doing webtop on a non stock rom.(Which I really would love cm 10.1 with ubuntop) I have been using linux for many years and am familiar with compiling and modifying kernels and packages I am just still new with android I came from the Epic 4G. I just would like to be pointed in the right direction or maybe someone who already makes kernels has attempted this and we could work together.
Thanks for your time.
You need source from Motorola and whatever company it was that Apple bought. You can try the Compendium thread for kernel links but as of now a new kernel is highly unlikely.
So then maybe we should look into writing our own? I mean if they can do it why can't we?
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So as I understand it, the Photon has drivers issues which is why we dont have a port of for instant a droid bionic version of moto ICS, or moto jellybean. I am wondering what we need to get a kernel going. If this happened this would open up the possibility for doing webtop on a non stock rom.(Which I really would love cm 10.1 with ubuntop) I have been using linux for many years and am familiar with compiling and modifying kernels and packages I am just still new with android I came from the Epic 4G. I just would like to be pointed in the right direction or maybe someone who already makes kernels has attempted this and we could work together.
Thanks for your time.
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There's a thread over in the Atrix 4G forums where some people are working on a port from the Galaxy R kernel. You may want to follow that thread and offer your assistence there, because chances are that any progress that benefits the Atrix will benefit the Photon in the long run.
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There's a thread over in the Atrix 4G forums where some people are working on a port from the Galaxy R kernel. You may want to follow that thread and offer your assistence there, because chances are that any progress that benefits the Atrix will benefit the Photon in the long run.
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In theory that is sound, but the Atrix has a much newer kernel version than ours from the start (not sure how that happened with our device being more recent release). If you're planning to try, make sure that you have device protection or a good number of devices to work with....they've already hard bricked one or two from what I had seen.
What drivers are required, and I assume you mean for a 3.x kernel?
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Unless you want to rev-eng a couple of parts of the kernel to make the GalaxyR kernel exaclty compatible with the Photon, you won't be able to use the stuff. Sorry.
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Unless you want to rev-eng a couple of parts of the kernel to make the GalaxyR kernel exaclty compatible with the Photon, you won't be able to use the stuff. Sorry.
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What ever happened to the magic kernel?
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What ever happened to the magic kernel?
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I was wondering the samething, have heard any news of it, he must not be able to release it.
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I was wondering the samething, have heard any news of it, he must not be able to release it.
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Yeah, he said he had something special for us, but never told us what it was.
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Yeah, he said he had something special for us, but never told us what it was.
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maybe, jut maybe some day it will be leaked.
after the screwing Moto gave us he might as well post it. wtf are they gonna do? lock our damn phones?
My guess is it just never panned out and the guy didn't want to disappoint us. This was around the time of the Atrix leak, and that never amounted to anything, and a bunch of people got let down. It's my theory, which is far from concrete, that the leak included Photon files as well, that also never amounted to anything, but less was said here, so fewer people will be let down. I'm personally not worried. Come whatever may. My phone may not be able to do MMS or camcorder, or run Chrome or Swiftkey Flow, but I like it. It does the things I want it to. And it looks sexy as hell. I'd appreciate this mystery kernel or whatever, but I'm not gonna lose sleep if some mad scientist is holding out. Not saying that's what cybik is (I actually don't know much about him), just saying neither of the two extremes affect me much. And they shouldn't affect y'all either. If you're locked I'm sorry, that sucks, so is my brother, but you can run Holo Launcher/Locker and use either utter!, Maluuba, or Dragon Go! for voice commands/personal assistant, Notification Toggle for, well, the toggles, and Dolphin for your browser, and that puts you fairly close to Android 4. Motoblur can't keep a WiFi lock to save its life, but there are apps for that... I'm trying to test one on my wife's phone, but I'm not getting very good data from it. If you're unlocked, you have a lot of good choices as it is.
I may be an Atrix owner, but if the 2.6.39.4 kernel that is being dev'd for the Atrix is a success, couldn't you take the post-dev'd 2.6.39.4 kernel and port it to the Photon?
exactly like the op says, now that we have s-off, do you guys think we will get official aosp support sice some devs arent really willing to deal with s-on? im not requesting. i'm just interested in what others think
My question is what does the one have to do with the other? Or put it this way what does S-Off have to do with AOSP? just wondering, thanks.
Stryker1297 said:
exactly like the op says, now that we have s-off, do you guys think we can get official aosp support soon? im not requesting. i'm just interested in what others think
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My personal opinion, i'm sure others will. I won't compile an AOSP rom for the DNA. My reason. I happen to love sense. Reason I stick with HTC phones. I don't like touchwiz (earth, haze, whatever they keep changing the ui name to) and moto ui is too much like stock. I like personality in my phone.
Stryker1297 said:
exactly like the op says, now that we have s-off, do you guys think we can get official aosp support soon? im not requesting. i'm just interested in what others think
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Not to sound like a jerk but it seems like you should know your way around....
We always have AOSP thats why its called android OPEN SOURCE project. The question is will someone be able to port it to the DNA.
Go to the Orig. Android Dev section for the DNA and you will see drewx2 an others have been working tirelessly on porting CM10.1 (AOSP) to the DNA. Instead of asking a question that has been answered in the thread you should go check it off.
And S-OFF has nothign to do with porting AOSP. It might make a difference considering other devs may get the phone now that the bootloader is fully unlocked. But it has no DIRECT effect.
How many of these threads do we need?? You could not have posted in the AOSP thread right below yours?? Besides if you people wanted AOSP you should have bought a Nexus. SMH
zone23 said:
My question is what does the one have to do with the other? Or put it this way what does S-Off have to do with AOSP? just wondering, thanks.
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My dear Zone. I think the question was, now that there's no security whatsoever, does it mean now we have the capability to modify the device even further.
The S-off feature allows us to upgrade the firmware (ie, bootloader ver, radios) on our devices. The software is capable after root is achieved. Root in lamens terms is giving yourself administrative rights over your phone, ,much like you have administrative rights on your windows computer. BUT, linux does not have administrator priveleges, it has root priveleges. Thats why Zone is confused by your queston.
Unphazed MD said:
Not to sound like a jerk but it seems like you should know your way around....
We always have AOSP thats why its called android OPEN SOURCE project. The question is will someone be able to port it to the DNA.
Go to the Orig. Android Dev section for the DNA and you will see drewx2 an others have been working tirelessly on porting CM10.1 (AOSP) to the DNA. Instead of asking a question that has been answered in the thread you should go check it off.
And S-OFF has nothign to do with porting AOSP. It might make a difference considering other devs may get the phone now that the bootloader is fully unlocked. But it has no DIRECT effect.
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number 1, yes you sound like a jerk. number 2, some people dont have time to search for a partial answer to somebody else's question. 3, i asked for OPINIONS on the subject. not answers or eta's. 4, i have seen the thread, i asked for speculations on official ports, and i am very aware of the hard work devs put in (donated to jcase and beaups). and 5, s-off has a LOT to do with aosp ports, since many devs refuse to support locked phones, which is an effect. not direct, but still an effect.
honestly i know now why xda's rep is such crap now. when i try to start a conversation on this site all you get is a bunch of trolls with nothing better to do than act condescending and sarcastic.
and thank you dragonstalker for being just about the only person on this thread that even attempted to act sensible and polite
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How many of these threads do we need?? You could not have posted in the AOSP thread right below yours?? Besides if you people wanted AOSP you should have bought a Nexus. SMH
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where's the fun with nexus phones? number one, i am a strict lte user. two, i dont really like nexus because you dont get to really choose other oem skins. some days i like sense/touchwiz, and other days i like aosp. and no wont post in the other thread. they arent looking for the same conversation/info i am, and i'm not gonna add another question to a question thread. SMH
well some devs might be more interested in getting the phone now that it has s off. I don't think it has a direct effect either but making things more convenient for the end user to install kernels should entice more people, including devs looking for a new toy.
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number 1, yes you sound like a jerk. number 2, some people dont have time to search for a partial answer to somebody else's question. 3, i asked for OPINIONS on the subject. not answers or eta's. 4, i have seen the thread, i asked for speculations on official ports, and i am very aware of the hard work devs put in (donated to jcase and beaups). and 5, s-off has a LOT to do with aosp ports, since many devs refuse to support locked phones, which is an effect. not direct, but still an effect.
honestly i know now why xda's rep is such crap now. when i try to start a conversation on this site all you get is a bunch of trolls with nothing better to do than act condescending and sarcastic.
and thank you dragonstalker for being just about the only person on this thread that even attempted to act sensible and polite
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Theres nothing wrong with "XDA's" rep. Its people posting/asking the same quesitons over and over again without taking the 5 minutes to browse the forums or 30 seconds to do a search. Theres been like 800 S-OFF/AOSP related threads/questions when in truth they honestly arent that related. S-OFF is essentially disabling a security check. AOSP is the source.
You could of also just posted like someone else said in one of the other threads on the front page of DNA Q/A asking about S-OFF/AOSP. I dont post a lot but honestly all of these questions being asked over and over again is really silly.
Same with asking about an ETA. The ETA is when the devs finish it. If you want it faster help out. Its not easy.
Maybe you should have reworded your question to something like "Now that we have S-OFF is porting AOSP and easier/quicker which would speed up the eta?"
Im sorry but after the whole debacle with people bugging devs and almost driving them out of the scene and taking them for granted I am not trying to have this widespread post spam happen.
and btw official CM10 support usually happens after somone has a stable and organized build. Then CM10 will usually ask them to become the official maintainer for that device. DrewX2 posted about it in the CM10.1 DNA thread I am not giving that great of an explanation.
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My dear Zone. I think the question was, now that there's no security whatsoever, does it mean now we have the capability to modify the device even further.
The S-off feature allows us to upgrade the firmware (ie, bootloader ver, radios) on our devices. The software is capable after root is achieved. Root in lamens terms is giving yourself administrative rights over your phone, ,much like you have administrative rights on your windows computer. BUT, linux does not have administrator priveleges, it has root priveleges. Thats why Zone is confused by your queston.
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Ya I get confused a lot thanks for cleaning that up for me.
Technically we have AOSP but with Sense skin. If you want AOSP feel then flash a deSensed rom (Sence isn't completely removed, only as much as possible) and use an AOSP theme.
orangechoochoo said:
Technically we have AOSP but with Sense skin. If you want AOSP feel then flash a deSensed rom (Sence isn't completely removed, only as much as possible) and use an AOSP theme.
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Let me clarify something... AOSP is nothing like sense... Sense isn't a skin it's a full OS. HTC didn't theme AOSP, they built from ground up an os based on android kernel / Linux kernel
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Nevermind, you're right.
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...d-skins-aosp-sense-touchwiz-xda-developer-tv/
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Nevermind, you're right.
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...d-skins-aosp-sense-touchwiz-xda-developer-tv/
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Yea that's exactly what I was referencing from lol
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Nevermind, you're right.
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...d-skins-aosp-sense-touchwiz-xda-developer-tv/
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Wow, someone who admits they're wrong. I didn't know that existed on the Internet.
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Unphazed MD said:
Theres nothing wrong with "XDA's" rep. Its people posting/asking the same quesitons over and over again without taking the 5 minutes to browse the forums or 30 seconds to do a search. Theres been like 800 S-OFF/AOSP related threads/questions when in truth they honestly arent that related. S-OFF is essentially disabling a security check. AOSP is the source.
You could of also just posted like someone else said in one of the other threads on the front page of DNA Q/A asking about S-OFF/AOSP. I dont post a lot but honestly all of these questions being asked over and over again is really silly.
Same with asking about an ETA. The ETA is when the devs finish it. If you want it faster help out. Its not easy.
Maybe you should have reworded your question to something like "Now that we have S-OFF is porting AOSP and easier/quicker which would speed up the eta?"
Im sorry but after the whole debacle with people bugging devs and almost driving them out of the scene and taking them for granted I am not trying to have this widespread post spam happen.
and btw official CM10 support usually happens after somone has a stable and organized build. Then CM10 will usually ask them to become the official maintainer for that device. DrewX2 posted about it in the CM10.1 DNA thread I am not giving that great of an explanation.
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did you not read how i just said i didnt ask for eta's or roms. do you know how to read. also did you read how i said i donate to devs when possible. also did you read how i said i wasnt asking for progress updates. i said i was looking for CONVERSATIONAL OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT
Bigandrewgold said:
Wow, someone who admits they're wrong. I didn't know that existed on the Internet.
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It doesn't hurt to be wrong, it's a learning experience :good:
No s off won't make CM10 any easier to build. Fixing not being able to push or pull system files while phone is booted makes things much easier to work with and in my opinion was way more helpful to the devs on general.
If you look at some of the recent HTC devices, a good number of those devices are s off, and the AOSP developers went back to s on because of safety concerns for the device after a few mishaps building from source.
To build AOSP for a device like this requires some serious skill on the RIL (radio interface layer) department especially. Using the command line for a few things like boot.img isn't challenging to someone that can build from source for AOSP. And definitely is a skill someone porting AOSP roms and especially trying to crack RIL would have acquired a long time ago. While on the surface it seems so advantageous to the end user, to port AOSP over to a brand new device, my 2 sense is that s on is the least of their worries.
And yeap the guys above me are right, sense is built as sense from the ground up. And unlike AOSP, most of sense is proprietary so unlike AOSP Android, it has to be reverse engineered and then built to work on the hardware in our phones. The linux kernel used by HTC is open source and they comply with the GPL and release kernel source code for it. But everything proprietary is kept pretty locked down to prevent Samsung from using sense 5 and calling it "Samsung inSense"
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Sent from my DNA... S-Off like a baws
Why do so many people buy HTC phones which all come with some form of Sense and then spam XDA with questions about when can we get AOSP? The answer to the question by the OP is no because S-Off has nothing to do with getting AOSP. As Charles put it the biggest hurdle on every HTC device I have had for the devs to get AOSP working is RIL and kernel.