Is there a way to tlk and use the internet like the iPhone for at&t, if a Dev can get this to work that would be awesome for all of us
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thizzlemania91 said:
Is there a way to tlk and use the internet like the iPhone for at&t, if a Dev can get this to work that would be awesome for all of us
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great question. the difference between att talk and surf with sprint talk and no surf is due to the difference in radio technology.
sprint & verizon use cdma, att and tmo use gsm. gsm allows data and voice to travel over their radio at the same time while cdma does not.
the work arounds for this are to use one of the other radios in the device, either wifi or 4G (wimax on sprint) will allow the user to talk and surf at the same time.
not sure there is anything a developer can due to remedy this issue since the root cause is due to hardware/technology limitations.
hope that helps!
Right now you can do it if you're on WiFi...but you will not see it without being on WiFi any time soon bud...Problem is the radio...
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well at least we can do this with 4g and WiFi ill try it out right now thanks for help guys.
Yup only way to do it is on 4G or WiFi. I don't think devs cab do anything about it.
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I was Also wondering about this issue, I would say that's about the Only thing the IPhone has over us!
That would be awesome if a Dev can do this mod for us I get sad when i see that iPhone commercial with those guys using the internet and tlking on the phone at the same time. Iphone Bastards LOL
thizzlemania91 said:
That would be awesome if a Dev can do this mod for us I get sad when i see that iPhone commercial with those guys using the internet and tlking on the phone at the same time. Iphone Bastards LOL
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Its not just iPhone. Its T-Mobile and att. Their android phones do it also. Its a GSM thing. Sprint is cdma rev a. And use the same frequency for data and voice so its not possible yet but with the introduction of rev b it opens up the possibilities of it becoming true. No mod can be done unfortunately to fix this. The only way it would work right now is if u were using either wifi or wimax then u could talk and surf. So if that diner had free wifi then u to could sit down with ur evo 3d andbdo exactly the same thing as that iPhone ur envying.
free the dirk
Depending on what Sprint has to say October 7th it may not be an issue for us anymore. Hopefully that will be the case.
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I was able to do this on the MyTouch 4G on T-Mobile, they use GSM just like ATT.
Papa Smurf151 said:
Its not just iPhone. Its T-Mobile and att. Their android phones do it also. Its a GSM thing. Sprint is cdma rev a. And use the same frequency for data and voice so its not possible yet but with the introduction of rev b it opens up the possibilities of it becoming true. No mod can be done unfortunately to fix this. The only way it would work right now is if u were using either wifi or wimax then u could talk and surf. So if that diner had free wifi then u to could sit down with ur evo 3d andbdo exactly the same thing as that iPhone ur envying.
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That's sorta correct.. But not completely...
Actually GSM doesn't support simultaneous voice and data, UMTS does. And the way UMTS supports SVDO is because BOTH voice and data travel in the same channel and is separated by code.
CDMA and EVDO are actually two different networks altogether technically. Voice travels over 1xRTT while data can travel over 1X or EVDO.
Seeing as there are two different networks, the phone's chipset must be able to talk to both networks at the same time.
Verizon has 1 handset that supports Simultaneous Voice and Data on 3G EVDO Rev. B, the HTC Thunderbolt because of the chipset in the phone and it works great.
Sprint doesn't have any SVDO capable phone's so therefore you can't talk and surf unless on WiMax or WiFi. Its all handset based, not network dependent.
during some testing i have been doing on the 3d - i have had an active data connection and voice connection at the same time.
our chipset: Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8660 RISC Multi-core microprocessor with embedded DSP
2x Qualcomm Scorpion Harvard Superscalar processor core, 266MHz LPDDR2 memory interface, Embedded DSP (GSM, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS/WCDMA, HSDPA 7.2Mbps, HSUPA 5.76Mbps, HSPA+ 28Mbps/11Mbps, MBMS, CDMA2000 1xRTT, CDMA2000 1xEV-DO, CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rev. 1, CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rev. B baseband), Embedded Seventh-generation gpsOne GPS module, gpsOneXTRA Assistance, Adreno 220 GPU
the catch: it was on HSPA+.
What was happening: look up our cpu/radio on qualcomm's site, and you will see it is a cdma, evdo a, evdo b, umts, gsm, hspa, and hspa+ radio. - if u see TrevE's notes on his download mode thread, you can see he connected directly to the radio, and it is a GOBI2000 radio, a global universal radio.
REF: page 11 --> http://www.scribd.com/doc/57334033/1XAdvanced-Web-02092011-NA-EXT
REF: page 18 --> http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/files/what-is-next-for-cdma-presentation.pdf
problem: these is no firmware or software on a stock 3d cdma phone for gsm. nor is there a sim slot.
using some firmware from the gsm phone, and some parts of the gsm rom and kernel - i was able to activate the gsm radio (gsm includes umts, hspa, hspa+)
since i had no sim card, the only phone call i was able to make was to 611 (and good old AT&T answered). the only web page i was able to see (no matter what address i entered) was a while page w/ an AT&T logo that said 'unauthorized device'
TrevE has some info on the partition structure of this phone in his download mode thread. there are some [EMPTY] partitions on the cdma phone that are used on the GSM phone.
i think once TrevE gets download mode done, we can use a 'esim' (or softsim) of some sort to use AT&Ts 14.4mbps hspa+ network
i did pull the 'unauthorized device page' will on the phone w/ 611.
the PCB used in the EU/ASIA phone is the same as the US phone (per HTC's service manual dated 6/2011). the EU/ASIA is short the wimax chip. under the wimax chip, are solder points for a sim card.
since they dont use wimax, but use a sim - and we use wimax w/ no sim - this makes sense. its also cheaper for HTC to have 1 PCB for multiple phones.
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our radio:
Bus 001 Device 011: ID 05c6:9008 Qualcomm, Inc. Gobi Wireless Modem (QDL mode)
Jul 29 03:46:05 unknown kernel: [ 3020.332185] usb 1-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 11
Jul 29 03:46:05 unknown kernel: [ 3020.466258] qcserial 1-6:1.0: Qualcomm USB modem converter detected
Jul 29 03:46:05 unknown kernel: [ 3020.466446] usb 1-6: Qualcomm USB modem converter now attached to ttyUSB1
known sprint partitions:
mmcblk0p34: "misc"
mmcblk0p22: "recovery"
mmcblk0p21: "boot"
mmcblk0p23: "system"
mmcblk0p32: "local"
mmcblk0p25: "cache"
mmcblk0p24: "userdata"
mmcblk0p28: "devlog"
mmcblk0p30: "pdata"
mmcblk0p18: "radio"
mmcblk0p19: "radio_config"
mmcblk0p26: "modem_st1"
mmcblk0p27: "modem_st2"
mmcblk0p8: "wimax"
mmcblk0p33: "udata_wimax"
all partitions
Device Boot Start End #sectors Id System
mmcblk0.img1 * 1 256 256 4d QNX4.x
mmcblk0.img2 257 768 512 51 OnTrack DM6 Aux1
mmcblk0.img3 769 65502 64734 5d Unknown
mmcblk0.img4 65503 4718590 4653088 5 Extended
mmcblk0.img5 65504 65535 32 5a Unknown
mmcblk0.img6 65537 66048 512 73 Unknown
mmcblk0.img7 66050 82356 16307 0 Empty
mmcblk0.img8 82358 106934 24577 7e Unknown
mmcblk0.img9 106936 107447 512 0 Empty
mmcblk0.img10 107449 109496 2048 45 Unknown
mmcblk0.img11 109498 110009 512 47 Unknown
mmcblk0.img12 110011 114106 4096 46 Unknown
mmcblk0.img13 114108 116155 2048 4c Unknown
mmcblk0.img14 116157 116220 64 0 Empty
mmcblk0.img15 116222 128509 12288 34 Unknown
mmcblk0.img16 128511 130558 2048 36 Unknown
mmcblk0.img17 130560 131071 512 76 Unknown
mmcblk0.img18 131073 212992 81920 77 Unknown
mmcblk0.img19 212994 229374 16381 74 Unknown
mmcblk0.img20 229376 262143 32768 0 Empty
mmcblk0.img21 262145 294912 32768 48 Unknown
mmcblk0.img22 294914 327679 32766 71 Unknown
mmcblk0.img23 327681 1966078 1638398 83 Linux
mmcblk0.img24 1966080 4412897 2446818 83 Linux
mmcblk0.img25 4412899 4639697 226799 83 Linux
mmcblk0.img26 4639699 4647890 8192 4a Unknown
mmcblk0.img27 4647892 4656083 8192 4b Unknown
mmcblk0.img28 4656085 4697044 40960 19 Unknown
mmcblk0.img29 4697046 4697053 8 0 Empty
mmcblk0.img30 4697055 4697566 512 23 Unknown
mmcblk0.img31 4697568 4697599 32 0 Empty
mmcblk0.img32 4697601 4700161 2561 33 Unknown
mmcblk0.img33 4700163 4716543 16381 7e Unknown
mmcblk0.img34 4716545 4718589 2045 76 Unknown
This last post is really cool and very interesting...
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4g wimax
I am able to talk and surf while connected to 4g.... I hope rev b will change this for sprint peoples
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It's no the iPhone per se, its the technology. I.E. Verizon's iPhone can't do voice & data at sametime unlike at&t's
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Yeah, sprint will be changing over to cdma rev b. this is a rumor, but I consider it a fact. It's an EASY update to their existing network. Our phone is completely compatible.
runcool said:
Yeah, sprint will be changing over to cdma rev b. this is a rumor, but I consider it a fact. It's an EASY update to their existing network. Our phone is completely compatible.
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it would be a very easy - just a firmware update - no hardware needed
might need more bandwidth backhaul at the tower though...
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I apologize for this thread as it might not be in the correct area, but i figured most people log into the dev section so this might get answered quicker...
I have 2 questions so lets start with the first:
1) For some reason I'm not getting HSPDA network working on my phone. the best speed I've posted is about 3.2Mbs, which is not HSPDA speeds, or at least not as fast as it should be. It also says that i'm on 3G as opposed to H...is there a reason for this. Keep in mind I live in LA and they have one of the strongest networks for HSPDA (at least according to the rep I talked to).
2) Is it possible for us to get HSPDA+ speeds with a radio update. I don't know too much about the radio but it would seem to me like that is what it would take to get the HSPDA+ working as I'm assuming that it is the radio that determins your speed and not the hardware...though I could be wrong.
Just a thought, and a response would be awesome.
Thanks in advance guys and gals!
I would answer if this were posted in the correct forum.
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I would answer if this were posted in the correct forum.
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where would you like me to post this then...not sure where to post...general q&a?
EDIT: Now posted in gernal Q&A....
settings > about phone > status
what does it say the mobile network type is? the status bar will still display '3G' if you're on HSDPA unless you're on froyo or a custom rom.
If you go to menu settings, about phone, status, it will tell you if you are connected to hsdpa... But it won't show up in the status bar...
The more ppl on the network the slower the speeds will be... I can connect to an hspa tower about 30 mins away but I don't get the speeds... my phone is actually slower now with the new tower...
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solarpanel said:
settings > about phone > status
what does it say the mobile network type is? the status bar will still display '3G' if you're on HSDPA unless you're on froyo or a custom rom.
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it says HSDPA but it doesn't feel like that, i figgured it would just fly, but it's not as fast as I thought it should be. Also the speed test is only giving me like 3.2Mbs as opposed to my friend with with the behold II who is getting like 5...
Also, anyone got any info on the second question by chance?
i haven't done enough research on the vibrant's HSPA+ capabilities to answer
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i haven't done enough research on the vibrant's HSPA+ capabilities to answer
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it would seem to me that the radio would do it...i mean that is what the radio is, it tells your phone what signal to use...right...can any devs help us out?
zbt1985 said:
1) For some reason I'm not getting HSPDA network working on my phone. the best speed I've posted is about 3.2Mbs, which is not HSPDA speeds, or at least not as fast as it should be. It also says that i'm on 3G as opposed to H...is there a reason for this. Keep in mind I live in LA and they have one of the strongest networks for HSPDA (at least according to the rep I talked to).
2) Is it possible for us to get HSPDA+ speeds with a radio update. I don't know too much about the radio but it would seem to me like that is what it would take to get the HSPDA+ working as I'm assuming that it is the radio that determins your speed and not the hardware...though I could be wrong.
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1)That is HSDPA. Normal 3G is UMTS 384kbps, HSDPA 3.5G Theoretical Maximum of 7.2 (also available in 3.5, 7.2, 14.4, etc) getting down 3.2mbps is considered very quick, connection really tops out at a max of ~5mbps, but would require you to be near a tower with a fast backhaul, and not many other people on the network at the same time. Also keep in mind speedtests are not completely accurate as they have cached data they are sending to you.
2) There is no such thing as HSDPA+, there is HSDPA in a bunch of flavors, and HSPA+. and no, our radio does not support HSPA+ 20mbps. but in field tests it was only marginally faster than HSDPA 7.2mbps anyway. the radio is a piece of hardware, there is firmware they can tweak to try and get more potential out of it, but its just more of the potential of the hardware, not extra speed.
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1)That is HSDPA. Normal 3G is UMTS 384kbps, HSDPA 3.5G Theoretical Maximum of 7.2 (also available in 3.5, 7.2, 14.4, etc) getting down 3.2mbps is considered very quick, connection really tops out at a max of ~5mbps, but would require you to be near a tower with a fast backhaul, and not many other people on the network at the same time. Also keep in mind speedtests are not completely accurate as they have cached data they are sending to you.
2) There is no such thing as HSDPA+, there is HSDPA in a bunch of flavors, and HSPA+. and no, our radio does not support HSPA+ 20mbps. but in field tests it was only marginally faster than HSDPA 7.2mbps anyway. the radio is a piece of hardware, there is firmware they can tweak to try and get more potential out of it, but its just more of the potential of the hardware, not extra speed.
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thanks for the info, glad to know that I am at normal speeds.
Also thanks for answering on if we were able to get HSPA+ on our phones!
I believe the vibrant can get speeds up to 7.2 down. Personally, I get ~5-6mbps at my house (Seattle, WA) and the most I've hit is ~6.5.
If you flashed the Update, your not going to get a Speed increase.
After Testing & Testing me & barak both don't get over 3.5MB & with the Old Modem.bin we both get over 6MB downloads..
Another thing we noticed with the new Modem.bin is it never switches to the H network, just stays on 3G / E..
With the old Modem.bin H / 3G /E Connects
eugene373 said:
If you flashed the Update, your not going to get a Speed increase.
After Testing & Testing me & barak both don't get over 3.5MB & with the Old Modem.bin we both get over 6MB downloads..
Another thing we noticed with the new Modem.bin is it never switches to the H network, just stays on 3G / E..
With the old Modem.bin H / 3G /E Connects
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so the leaked update actually downgraded the phone's ability for better speeds? wtf
eugene373 said:
If you flashed the Update, your not going to get a Speed increase.
After Testing & Testing me & barak both don't get over 3.5MB & with the Old Modem.bin we both get over 6MB downloads..
Another thing we noticed with the new Modem.bin is it never switches to the H network, just stays on 3G / E..
With the old Modem.bin H / 3G /E Connects
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3.5 mbps is on the H network. the normal 3g network would be 0.3mbps....
However I'm not disputing that the H network could have been crippled/slower after a modem update. You are still on HDSPA, just something has been messed up about it and its only half as fast as normal for you.
I'm on hsdpa and I'm only getting .3mbps
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1)That is HSDPA. Normal 3G is UMTS 384kbps, HSDPA 3.5G Theoretical Maximum of 7.2 (also available in 3.5, 7.2, 14.4, etc) getting down 3.2mbps is considered very quick, connection really tops out at a max of ~5mbps, but would require you to be near a tower with a fast backhaul, and not many other people on the network at the same time. Also keep in mind speedtests are not completely accurate as they have cached data they are sending to you.
2) There is no such thing as HSDPA+, there is HSDPA in a bunch of flavors, and HSPA+. and no, our radio does not support HSPA+ 20mbps. but in field tests it was only marginally faster than HSDPA 7.2mbps anyway. the radio is a piece of hardware, there is firmware they can tweak to try and get more potential out of it, but its just more of the potential of the hardware, not extra speed.
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My phone shows that I'm on UMTS and I'm getting 5mbps dl speeds. Occasionally I'll be on HSDPA but the speeds stay about the same.
UMTS is 3G, HSDPA is an improvement to the UMTS protocol.
So yes, all HSDPA/HSPA is UMTS, not all UMTS is of the HSDPA/HSPA.
UMTS (vanilla) 384 kbps
UMTS (HSDPA 1.8/3.5/7.2/14.4) 1.8/3.5/7.2/14.4mbps
UMTS (HSUPA) up to 5.76mbps Enhanced uplink portions of the data connection
UMTS (HSPA+) up to 56 Mbit/s on the downlink and 22 Mbit/s on the uplink
rizzxx7 said:
I'm on hsdpa and I'm only getting .3mbps
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Theoretical Maximums, you can get UP TO that number, anywhere between 0 and that number is what reality is.
eugene373 said:
If you flashed the Update, your not going to get a Speed increase.
After Testing & Testing me & barak both don't get over 3.5MB & with the Old Modem.bin we both get over 6MB downloads..
Another thing we noticed with the new Modem.bin is it never switches to the H network, just stays on 3G / E..
With the old Modem.bin H / 3G /E Connects
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Sounds like an obvious problem, but not sure what that could be. Also, 3.5MB is not the same as 3.5Mb. 3.5MB/s = 28megabits. 3.5Mb/s = .43MB/s.
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2) There is no such thing as HSDPA+, there is HSDPA in a bunch of flavors, and HSPA+. and no, our radio does not support HSPA+ 20mbps. but in field tests it was only marginally faster than HSDPA 7.2mbps anyway. the radio is a piece of hardware, there is firmware they can tweak to try and get more potential out of it, but its just more of the potential of the hardware, not extra speed.
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While I am mostly a fan of your answer (it is pretty much spot on), I do have to make you aware of the acronyms and their meanings.
HSDPA = High Speed Downlink Packet Access
HSUPA = High Speed Uplink Packet Access
HSPA = High Speed Packet Access (this implies that the network uses BOTH HSUPA and HSDPA)
HSDPA+, HSPA+ = Evolved HS(D)PA
Just FYI.
richan90 said:
My phone shows that I'm on UMTS and I'm getting 5mbps dl speeds. Occasionally I'll be on HSDPA but the speeds stay about the same.
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Exactly what I get...
I just went to the ATT store to test drive the Atrix and it is literallylike 1/2 mile from my home...
The Icon showed H+, but the ATT guy told me we don't have 4G in our area....He said that I am connected to 3G and the only way to know if I am connected to HSPA is when the Up and Down arror are bold and not grayed out.
Is this true ? How can I be 100% sure if I have 4G
I think it only becomes 'bold' when you're actively transferring data, unless he meant that the arrows would become larger or something. But, the only way to know would be to check Speedtest every couple of weeks and see if it's gotten faster. maybe see if the AT&T reps can find out when 4g will be enabled in your area
Go to Settings>About Phone>Status - See "Mobile Network Type"
Unlike HSUPA and HSDPA, 14.4 HSPA+ isn't a "mode". What happens is your phone tells the network it can receive 15 codes at once, which are basically channels. 10 codes gives you 7.2 Mbits and 5 codes is 3.6.
The network decides how many codes are assigned to you the instant before it transmits data. You may not get all 15, because other people are using the network for data or voice. On the other hand, even if the backhaul hasn't been upgraded, you may use all 15, because the base station might burst the data at once, in order to save your battery.
The best you can tell is what dsjr2006 said.
So which one is HSDPA? Im getting taht one according to what dsjr2006 said.
according to the user manual on the phone, if it shows an H your connected with 4G, if it shows a 3 your connected with 3G. I might take that with a grain of salt, and would use a speed test to check actual speeds.
ATT claims that all the towers will connect 4g but not all of them have the speed to support that yet. Hence the H+ sign but 3g like speeds
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Does our Photons support this? Read an article that part of Sprints Oct 7th announcement is that they are going to upgrade the 3g network also to EvDO Rev B. Since any 4G coverage here is half way across town, I could handle getting this upgrade till 4G coverage is more wide spread.
http://gizmofusion.com/2011/09/sprint-upgrading-existing-3g-coverage-area-to-evdo-rev-b-october-7th/
The radio should support it, we would need a software update to enable it. The HTC vogue(?) On sprint was sold with EVDO rev0 and was upgraded to revA a bit later in its life ...I believe at least
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Kcarpenter said:
The radio should support it, we would need a software update to enable it. The HTC vogue(?) On sprint was sold with EVDO rev0 and was upgraded to revA a bit later in its life ...I believe at least
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This is correct; ev-do rev b would be a software upgrade to the infastructure and is supposed to max out at 10mbps I believe which is way better than rev a with its 1mbps max lol. The photon should be able to access ev-do rev b with a software upgrade as its 3G technology is CDMA2000 1xEV-DO which has support for rev 0, a, and b if im not mistaken. In a nutshell, the photon should be able to see faster 3G speeds lol. This seems to be a temporary fix for sprint though since they effed up messing around with wimax, they need to buy themselves sometime to build LTE base stations. Bastards....
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This is correct; ev-do rev b would be a software upgrade to the infastructure and is supposed to max out at 10mbps I believe which is way better than rev a with its 1mbps max lol. The photon should be able to access ev-do rev b with a software upgrade as its 3G technology is CDMA2000 1xEV-DO which has support for rev 0, a, and b if im not mistaken. In a nutshell, the photon should be able to see faster 3G speeds lol. This seems to be a temporary fix for sprint though since they effed up messing around with wimax, they need to buy themselves sometime to build LTE base stations. Bastards....
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yep, those bastards lol, atleast we have unlimited data as opposed to other carriers. I prefer have unlimited and decent 4g speeds rather than 5gb cap. I average out 6-8mbps with 4g. but 3g...man i dont even want to talk about that lol
Do ##3282# goto advanced hit menu button then select edit. Type in your msl , you will see a enable/disable evdorc-b
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Do ##3282# goto advanced hit menu button then select edit. Type in your msl , you will see a enable/disable evdorc-b
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I'll take a look at that once I get my MSL!
Only problem with this is that the airave doesn't support it.
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Only problem with this is that the airave doesn't support it.
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What about the airvana?
Neither one support revB. I periodically try and still nothing.
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if your in airvana why aren't you using wifi?!
Wonder if the og Evo will support it
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Wonder if the og Evo will support it
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Yes it should. Any phone since 2009 should support it lol
with this phone (LG Marquee) dropping with only 3G this maybe they will be upgrading to REV B...
kwazytazz said:
yep, those bastards lol, atleast we have unlimited data as opposed to other carriers. I prefer have unlimited and decent 4g speeds rather than 5gb cap. I average out 6-8mbps with 4g. but 3g...man i dont even want to talk about that lol
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Actually my 3G speeds aren't that bad now. Good enough to stream Netflix and a few music apps I use with no problems. Main reasons for wanting higher speeds is from hot spot being used with my A500
My 3G speeds in most of East TN are good, not great but good enough. Better usually than what I had on my blackberrys on Verizon.
I can only get 4G on this 2 mile stretch of road that I only see once every other month. So having evdo revB would be a dream come true, given I will probably not ever see it directly in my rural area, maybe in the adjoining cities.
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Just a thought, with sprints announcement in October - even though it will never happen. It would be nice if they said, they were updating to EVDO rev B and that most cell sites in the country are already upgraded and it was just a matter of flipping the switch, that day so there wouldn't be a wait for a roll out. /dream
I saw a preview of the network strategy presentation today and im pretty sure that rev b is coming with the 1x advanced upgrade. You know they will have something ready to go before the iPhone launch cause you know it is coming and it's 3g only and without rev b and 1x advanced to provide more space 3g on sprint will suck worse then it already does. All these fee changes will help to support All the upgrades plus the lte advanced clear is about to roll out soon. Sprint will have the best network just wait for it the spectrum bonding with be great on coverage and speed. Hang in there great things are coming. Dan has a plan.
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I saw a preview of the network strategy presentation today and im pretty sure that rev b is coming with the 1x advanced upgrade. You know they will have something ready to go before the iPhone launch cause you know it is coming and it's 3g only and without rev b and 1x advanced to provide more space 3g on sprint will suck worse then it already does. All these fee changes will help to support All the upgrades plus the lte advanced clear is about to roll out soon. Sprint will have the best network just wait for it the spectrum bonding with be great on coverage and speed. Hang in there great things are coming. Dan has a plan.
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I hope you are right!!
The evrc-b is for voice codec only and doesn't impact data. it is not the same thing as EVDO Rev. B. That being said I don't see why any new phone wouldn't be able to support EVDO Rev. B qualcomm makes all CDMA radio chips I believe since they created it. so I guess only time will tell but I will say if the photon doesn't support rev b and the GS2 does I may have to get one even though I'm not a huge fan.
If I'm not mistaken, one of the benefits of 1X-Adv. is the ability to do simultaneous voice and 3G data. I think it's one of the main reasons Verizon is now trying to implement it - as a response to all the those AT&T commercials.
I have not seen any evidence yet that confirms that the Photon supports 1XAdv/EVDOrevB though.
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The evrc-b is for voice codec only and doesn't impact data. it is not the same thing as EVDO Rev. B. That being said I don't see why any new phone wouldn't be able to support EVDO Rev. B qualcomm makes all CDMA radio chips I believe since they created it. so I guess only time will tell but I will say if the photon doesn't support rev b and the GS2 does I may have to get one even though I'm not a huge fan.
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The channel has to be unlock using QXDM software.
Does any one knows how to use QXDM?
My area has a rev.B network but im still dont understand how to unlock 3 channel to my HTC EVO 3D Phone using QXDM.
So when LTE comes to town will we lose HSPA+???
Nope they will co-exist just like edge and hspa+ do today.
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It is my understanding that even when on LTE you use GSM for phone calls and other non-data related transactions. Either way, they're not building an HSPA+ network to tear it down in 2 years.
Just checking. I don't care if I don't get LTE capability for the next 2 years, I just wish they would strengthen the signals they already have in my area.
Montgomery AL <------- never getting LTE.
There is lte here and my h+ works great they will have to coexist, they only have 2 lte phones out, a lot more use h+
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Our phones, from what I can tell, are not LTE compatible. Only h+.
When LTE arrives hopefully we will see true HSPA+ speeds
LTE
I'm actually strongly considering taking my i777 back for the Skyrocket. Even though I don't have LTE, locally, it is only a matter of time.
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I'm actually strongly considering taking my i777 back for the Skyrocket. Even though I don't have LTE, locally, it is only a matter of time.
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I suggest you don't.
Hellraiser is probably never coming to the Skyrocket. The Skyrocket has a slower SoC in general so you will notice more stutters here and there. The i777 will get ICS first through XDA.
Even if you got it today, an integrated LTE modem with the SoC won't be coming until next year for Qualcomm, and around 2H 2012 or 2013 for other companies. You won't be missing much, seeing as how by the time you do get another upgrade in 20 months you will have a step up in everything as opposed to a step up in data speeds and a step down in processor/developer support.
****, I don't even have H+ yet.
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I'm actually strongly considering taking my i777 back for the Skyrocket. Even though I don't have LTE, locally, it is only a matter of time.
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Don't fall for all this 4G marketing crap from AT&T. They are not even close to offering true HSPA+ or LTE speeds so no need to worry for now. When they offer the true speeds it will be time to change your phone anyways.
HSPA+, or Evolved High-Speed Packet Access, is a technical standard for wireless, broadband telecommunication. HSPA+ was first defined in the technical standard 3GPP release 7.
HSPA+ provides an evolution of High Speed Packet Access and provides data rates up to 84 Megabits per second (Mbit/s) to the mobile device and 22 Mbit/s from the mobile device.
3GPP Long Term Evolution (LTE) is a standard for wireless communication of high-speed data. It is based upon GSM/EDGE and Universal Mobile Telecommunications System/High Speed Packet Access (UMTS/HSPA) network technologies.Features of LTE include an all-IP flat network architecture, end-to-end QoS including provisions for low-latency communications, peak download rates nearing 300 Mbps and upload rates of 75 Mbps, capacity exceeding 200 active users per cell[3], the ability to manage fast-moving mobiles, and support for multi-cast and broadcast streams.
Ahh... i wonder what 300mbps feels like...
Hell, I wonder what 21 Mbps feels like, let alone 300.
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Local ATT store told me that LTE will be available in SC around February of 2012. Even with this info I still have no desire to switch out for an LTE phone. (I'm still within my return policy.) I have a verizon LTE hotspot for school that can hold me over. I spend 90% of my time at work or at home, so the HSPA+ is plenty to fill in the gaps when I can't use my high end connections.
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Hell, I wonder what 21 Mbps feels like, let alone 300.
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You should be able to experience 21mbps by connecting to a broadband wireless network
Most Broadband Internet providers have these speeds (except DSL I think), now 300mbps download speeds.....that would be awesome.
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Local ATT store told me that LTE will be available in SC around February of 2012. Even with this info I still have no desire to switch out for an LTE phone. (I'm still within my return policy.) I have a verizon LTE hotspot for school that can hold me over. I spend 90% of my time at work or at home, so the HSPA+ is plenty to fill in the gaps when I can't use my high end connections.
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We got LTE in Chicago. I'm from the suburbs and literally on the west side of my town we get around 3-5 Mbps but when I get on the east side (closer to Chicago) I've hit 13 Mbps. I have not been in Chicago sine i got my new phone but I think that 13 is pretty sweet but i got 36 Mbps at my house so its nothing amazing to me
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We got LTE in Chicago. I'm from the suburbs and literally on the west side of my town we get around 3-5 Mbps but when I get on the east side (closer to Chicago) I've hit 13 Mbps. I have not been in Chicago sine i got my new phone but I think that 13 is pretty sweet but i got 36 Mbps at my house so its nothing amazing to me
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I get anywhere from 2mbps to 7mbps down and usually around 1.1mbps up on my phone's data connection. (Latency around 100ms) This is perfectly acceptable for most browsing and applications, including streaming video.
I'm really hoping they keep HSPA+ around for awhile. I get killer battery life with it and the speeds are more than enough for 95% of everything I do with my phone.
In metro Detroit I only get average 1.4mbps down and 1mbps up...is my phone defective or is the network just ****ty here? The coverage map shows I have full hspa+ coverage
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I couldn't find this info anywhere on xda but I wanted to share this with you all, as the xda community has always helped me and I've rarely had the opportunity to return the favor.
I'm a month into a new G3, and all was well until the last 3 days. About 10 days ago band 41 started showing up with great speeds. I only get about 105-110dBm (1-2 bars) but I was still getting around 20 mbs download speed and it worked great. 2 days ago, my G3 would lock onto band 41 at work and I couldn't get any data. Our wifi is sketchy and I need reliable LTE. After profile & PRL updates were no help, it would bounce from band 41, to 26 to 3G. Back and forth my phone was going band to band trying to lock onto a good signal but kept trying to hold onto the weak band 41 driving me nuts.
So after some research I found a way to disable band 41 & 26 for now until the network becomes more stable. If you are in an area where spark isn't fully baked and have trouble holding onto band 41 or even 26 you can do this. I now have a clean steady stable fast LTE connection at work where I need it the most.
To disable LTE bands:
1. Call or chat with a Sprint rep, ask for your MSL code, its a 6 digit number.
2. Go to you dialer and dial ##3282#, this enters you into a data menu.
3. Tap "LTE", then "edit"
4. Disable any LTE bands causing the issue. I started with 41 but ended up also disabling 26 as it was also spotty and fluctuating.
5. Then hit the back button and the phone will reboot.
You can the re-enable them using the same process at any time. I figure I'll check once a week to see if things are working. If they aren't I'll just disable them again. I would think this would also work on other spark capable devices like the M8, S5, N4, G2 but I don't know for sure.
Thanks, I hope this helps anyone that may be dealing with spotty spark LTE service until spark gets fully implemented.
Goodluck
What are you using to find out what bands your phone is using? Thanks.
engine95 said:
What are you using to find out what bands your phone is using? Thanks.
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Signal check pro. It's $2 in the play store. Has a widget too.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blueline.signalcheck
Macguyver said:
Signal check pro. It's $2 in the play store. Has a widget too.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blueline.signalcheck
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You can also see it by using ##debug# and going into LTE Engineering option "Band" will show you. (This is likely only on LG software, not sure on CM/AOSP)
@Macguyver. THANK YOU so much for this!
I'm on the fringe of LTE/eHRPD and just by killing band 41, my reception is finally holding LTE. I've have to put my phone on CDMA just to keep data until now.
I still average 15% cell standby meaning searching for signal, but at least it holds and my battery has gotten better using LTE.
Thanks again.
engine95 said:
@Macguyver. THANK YOU so much for this!
I'm on the fringe of LTE/eHRPD and just by killing band 41, my reception is finally holding LTE. I've have to put my phone on CDMA just to keep data until now.
I still average 15% cell standby meaning searching for signal, but at least it holds and my battery has gotten better using LTE.
Thanks again.
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Your welcome, glad to help. Glad it made a difference!
How to change LTE band to 3-5-40 in g3?
Switching bands on Sprint
Macguyver said:
I couldn't find this info anywhere on xda but I wanted to share this with you all, as the xda community has always helped me and I've rarely had the opportunity to return the favor.
I'm a month into a new G3, and all was well until the last 3 days. About 10 days ago band 41 started showing up with great speeds. I only get about 105-110dBm (1-2 bars) but I was still getting around 20 mbs download speed and it worked great. 2 days ago, my G3 would lock onto band 41 at work and I couldn't get any data. Our wifi is sketchy and I need reliable LTE. After profile & PRL updates were no help, it would bounce from band 41, to 26 to 3G. Back and forth my phone was going band to band trying to lock onto a good signal but kept trying to hold onto the weak band 41 driving me nuts.
So after some research I found a way to disable band 41 & 26 for now until the network becomes more stable. If you are in an area where spark isn't fully baked and have trouble holding onto band 41 or even 26 you can do this. I now have a clean steady stable fast LTE connection at work where I need it the most.
To disable LTE bands:
1. Call or chat with a Sprint rep, ask for your MSL code, its a 6 digit number.
2. Go to you dialer and dial ##3282#, this enters you into a data menu.
3. Tap "LTE", then "edit"
4. Disable any LTE bands causing the issue. I started with 41 but ended up also disabling 26 as it was also spotty and fluctuating.
5. Then hit the back button and the phone will reboot.
You can the re-enable them using the same process at any time. I figure I'll check once a week to see if things are working. If they aren't I'll just disable them again. I would think this would also work on other spark capable devices like the M8, S5, N4, G2 but I don't know for sure.
Thanks, I hope this helps anyone that may be dealing with spotty spark LTE service until spark gets fully implemented.
Goodluck
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Thanks for the bit of info. I turned off bands 41 and 25 to stay on band 26. Band 41 stayed between -115db and -123db and band 25 was a bit better but band 26 stays between -100db and -112db. Still not great but much better than band 41. On speed test for band 41 i was getting mostly 0's. On band 26 i am getting about 4megabit down and 2 megabit up. Never any 0's for download or upload. It does slow down but never 0's coming in on the throughput.