I have with all three OSs but somehow iOS and WP7 feel much more stable. They never crashed yet, iOS can't even crash I think, while Andoid crashed many times. It it because of the linux based kernel?
Your question doesn't really make sense. Android is not unstable. It just depends on your rom and hardware capabilities. If they are good, your device will be fine, if not, then of course it's not going to be the smoothest thing in the world. So blame your device (even if it's a good device, you still need to make the best out of it), not Android.
Run the latest iOS on the original iPhone. Tell me its stable
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Classic .
Android seems pretty stable to me, I've never had any crashes on my SGS2, I've had a couple force closes but I'd imagine that's down to apps being bad rather than the actual OS.
This sounds like it was started as a troll thread by the OP to me
Given the right conditions, any piece of software can crash and do so hard
http://cdn2.iphone4jailbreak.org/forum/wp-content/uploads/mobile-substrate-crash-iphone-4.jpg
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iOS is a very modified verison of unix/bsd (well unix serves somewhere under it as the base), which is what linux is modeled after. Take that as what you will.
Neither iOS or wp7 allow users the chance to screw up your phone nearly as much as android does as well (well unless you have one of those android phones with a locked bootloader).
Another thing you need to take into account is the hardware restrictions used by WP7 and IOS. With WP7 you have to meet the minimum requirements set by Microsoft. IOS hardware is only built and created by Apple and each model is now only being supported for so many years before they won't allow it to be updated to the most recent IOS version.
With Android, you have multiple manufacturers creating a variety of devices where there is almost no hardware restrictions except whether the phone will run the ROM or not. Android phone hardware can vary by huge amounts of memory, CPU speeds, and GPUs.
if there are problems it has to do with the manufacturer of the phone and the rom they developed, not android. Get a nexus phone, stable, fast, smooth, and it has the vanilla version of android. After I removed all the bloatware off my phone and installed cm7, my captivates been a different phone. Makes me remember why I went with android over IOS or wp7.
Everyone seems eager to fork over their hard earn money to be Google's beta tester. But I'm more surprised at how people take pride in how "stable" android is, while they have to hack the beck out of it for it to be a decent phone.
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Everyone seems eager to fork over their hard earn money to be Google's beta tester. But I'm more surprised at how people take pride in how "stable" android is, while they have to hack the beck out of it for it to be a decent phone.
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Look at the nexus line, Pure Vanilla android. I don't hear too many crashes from the stock users.(if any at all)
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Everyone seems eager to fork over their hard earn money to be Google's beta tester. But I'm more surprised at how people take pride in how "stable" android is, while they have to hack the beck out of it for it to be a decent phone.
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Did you expect everyone to say android sucks on an android subforum? I think you would want to head to the apple subforum if you want to hear that.
People use android because it works for them. However, it may not work for everyone and those that it does not, are more than welcome to use a different phone
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i tink that LG was waiting for cooking a stock rom based on android 2.4 (instead of the 2.3 promised) because of their similarities, in fact the gpu accelerations for 2D, rumored for the 2.4, can only help our P500 performance.
i hope this, and you?
Ps: i tink that a P500 at 150$ with 2.4 in the very next month can bring android for many doubtful people..
I'm not really keeping my hopes up. I bet the last official update we'll receive is Gingerbread. Most companies focus on their flagship phones, and despite the O1's popularity, I don't think it'll receive much.
Also, IMHO, Google is going too fast. Manufacturers are having a hard time catching up and stuff.
But if you ask me, I'm contented with Froyo. Unless, of course, there's a really badass killer feature available only to future releases.
And I think this should be in the General category
kpbotbot- It's more like manufacturers use the differente Android os'es for marketing uses . Look at samsung , they're waiting to release the native 2.3 devices and bearly then will they release gingerbread for their current flagship : Galaxy S . It's a dirty world .
Yeah. Here's a super thank-able screenshot I took weeks ago
LG and Samsung seem like very different companies. The Optimus line is a very good buy for most carriers. It will convert a lot of users to the Android world like me. LG seems to catter to their users too.
The manufacturers should understand Android devices should follow Googles releases. It seems like most manufacturers just barely make the software and communities like xda do the actual bug fixing and create a more robust system with the custom kernel & ROM releases.
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why would companies spend money and time in the software when
communities like xda do the actual bug fixing and create a more robust system with the custom kernel & ROM releases.
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@orlox - Imagine buying a phone that doesn't come with an operating system.
I prefer if companies release only the lifeless phone, and xda would give life to it.
So androids will be much cheaper
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I prefer if companies release only the lifeless phone, and xda would give life to it.
So androids will be much cheaper
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I like the idea!
Post delivered via piece of paper tied to a brick... sorry 'bout the window! XD
The reason I chose this phone is because, for me, it's a small portable computer. If only every bit of hardware of this phone had a corresponding device driver (that we can get hold of), I think there's nothing stopping us from using a full Linux desktop, or other operating systems capable of running on the ARM architecture.
Not so relevant note: Some say the bootloader is locked. True?
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The reason I chose this phone is because, for me, it's a small portable computer.
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So true!
I am very satisfied with my first Android experience, in spite of all the bugs and hardware limitations of this cheap phone. Almost anything I needed but couldn't do before on my "dumb" phone became possible with this micro computer. So I don't really care if it's running Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Ice Cream or Milk & Toast & Honey.
You would care if it was running Cupcake.
P.S There really is a possibility for us to get 2.4 on our phones. It is still called Gingerbread but it will support Honeycomb apps.
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there are some questions to answer, why people buy a smartphone in general. We must see the differences between users who "use" the mobile as a daily instrument, users who use the mobile to play 3D games, users who read in the internet and communicate with it and users who are tweaking/hacking (not so sad as i write here). Most of users are using their device for communication, and so the manufacturers can say "why we should develop so fast as google? Our users doesn't need the new features like NFC or other". When communities like XDA, Cyanogen,CodeAurora,androidcentral or others develop their ROMs to their needs, they should do that - they are users who "want" the features. So, manufacturers can invest more time and money in new devices for more experience and for advanced users (like technical freaks). We (users who are lucky for while) can buy the "new" device at a later time, so we can save some money. Nothing other does LG,Samsung or HTC - they are developing for the feature. The money and time to invest in updates or bugfixes are too much for the most - this could be one reason for hold back updates or dont develop. As a developer i can say, the time to spend for Gingerbread development is not small - i have needed 3 monthes to develop a rom, that have just some bugs, and i've do that for fun. for a manufacturer this is not fun
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Yeah. Here's a super thank-able screenshot I took weeks ago
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This makes perfect sense from the carrier's perspective. If people had to pay to upgrade to the next version the carriers might have more incentive; as it is now they aren't seeing any more money so why bother investing time on something that could blow up in their face.
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there are some questions to answer, why people buy a smartphone in general. We must see the differences between users who "use" the mobile as a daily instrument, users who use the mobile to play 3D games, users who read in the internet and communicate with it and users who are tweaking/hacking (not so sad as i write here). Most of users are using their device for communication, and so the manufacturers can say "why we should develop so fast as google? Our users doesn't need the new features like NFC or other". When communities like XDA, Cyanogen,CodeAurora,androidcentral or others develop their ROMs to their needs, they should do that - they are users who "want" the features. So, manufacturers can invest more time and money in new devices for more experience and for advanced users (like technical freaks). We (users who are lucky for while) can buy the "new" device at a later time, so we can save some money. Nothing other does LG,Samsung or HTC - they are developing for the feature. The money and time to invest in updates or bugfixes are too much for the most - this could be one reason for hold back updates or dont develop. As a developer i can say, the time to spend for Gingerbread development is not small - i have needed 3 monthes to develop a rom, that have just some bugs, and i've do that for fun. for a manufacturer this is not fun
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Yeah , bro , but you're one man fighting against the tides . It's bound that LG has at least a reminder of 5 man cell team working on getting gingerbread out . And besides they have other ways of getting info and ironing out bugs faster then you can .
Sad that they didn't place on the internet a god damn ETA by now .... thus I guess may or june might a realistic launch date
Oh and to be on-topic with the thread , I guess we'll see 2.4 by CM7 if any of the legendary devs still take interest in this phone ofc
+1 i second that...plus i heard that not all the code used is even OPEN..I mean mik somewhere mentioned that some libraries had no corresponding code in the source code archive....thats gotta stink plus porting of android is different than developiing Linux Distro..I mean no mailing lists and not such a big community of "porters"....but tahts just my take..
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+1 i second that...plus i heard that not all the code used is even OPEN..I mean mik somewhere mentioned that some libraries had no corresponding code in the source code archive....thats gotta stink plus porting of android is different than developiing Linux Distro..I mean no mailing lists and not such a big community of "porters"....but tahts just my take..
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you're right:
many libraries are closed source, it's like a driver from nvidia for Linux X.org.
The only way to port it to a new android version is to test if it works - if not, we have a problem. manufacturer does not support communities, so we have to build many workarounds or rewrite the code so that it works. i would wish, the manufacturers opens their drivers and codecs for playing audio and video - so we can develop faster, more stable and uncomplicated:/
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i've readed the last days that gingerbread 2.4 is the internal 2.3.3 - let's check, if apps for honeycomb work on this version: in 2.4 there should be compatibility for the honeycomb apps^^
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you're right:
many libraries are closed source, it's like a driver from nvidia for Linux X.org.
The only way to port it to a new android version is to test if it works - if not, we have a problem. manufacturer does not support communities, so we have to build many workarounds or rewrite the code so that it works. i would wish, the manufacturers opens their drivers and codecs for playing audio and video - so we can develop faster, more stable and uncomplicated:/
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i've readed the last days that gingerbread 2.4 is the internal 2.3.3 - let's check, if apps for honeycomb work on this version: in 2.4 there should be compatibility for the honeycomb apps^^
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if everything's open then it is unlikely they make money. Then they close down and there won't be any phone.
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@yanuk... seems to be like u have not used linux before...Let me tell you how it works...Theres tons of companies (apart from thousands of enthusiasts) that write OPEN SOURCE DRIVERS for their hardware and submit it to the LINUX KERNEL maintainers(Linus torvalds included) example INTEL..If i m buying an ANDROID phone, i only want to pay for the hardware and not software..All drivers developed by the manufacturer shud be open source ..BUt instead its more like an abuse of the OPEN SOURCE community ..HOw CAn devs go ahead and hack the crap out of their phones, when they have trouble even porting newer OSes because of "some f****** proprietary driver" ...Screw the manufacturers ..I wish OPENMOKO had taken off when it had the chance..OPENMOKO = OPEN SOURCE OS +OPEN SOURCE HARDWARE with all datasheets, spec, circuit diagrams available..RUn whatever u possible can run on an it !!! My dream of having a completely Open (gtk runnin) geek device is still very distant..
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@yanuk... seems to be like u have not used linux before...Let me tell you how it works...Theres tons of companies (apart from thousands of enthusiasts) that write OPEN SOURCE DRIVERS for their hardware and submit it to the LINUX KERNEL maintainers(Linus torvalds included) example INTEL..If i m buying an ANDROID phone, i only want to pay for the hardware and not software..All drivers developed by the manufacturer shud be open source ..BUt instead its more like an abuse of the OPEN SOURCE community ..HOw CAn devs go ahead and hack the crap out of their phones, when they have trouble even porting newer OSes because of "some f****** proprietary driver" ...Screw the manufacturers ..I wish OPENMOKO had taken off when it had the chance..OPENMOKO = OPEN SOURCE OS +OPEN SOURCE HARDWARE with all datasheets, spec, circuit diagrams available..RUn whatever u possible can run on an it !!! My dream of having a completely Open (gtk runnin) geek device is still very distant..
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Seems like you have not worked in and managed any technology firms before.
I'm sincerely hoping your dream come true where you will own a successful openmoko company develop cutting edge technology with over 100 staff and offer your sw and hw for free with no claims to patent rights. All the best!
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hi , does enyone know if there will be a port from android to lumia ?
because that would be pretty cool , having te possibilit yto run android on this epic phone
i love WP7 but there arent that many awesome apps , so thats why i would love the possibility to run android
anywayz , have fun with your phone !
and i know this isnt Q&A but that forum doesnt exist yet so i post this Q here
grtz
It will never happen. Two completely different systems. I'm coming from Android and I for one would not want to ruin this phone with putting Android on it. I find WP7 so much more modern and refreshing.
I do not miss force closes nor lag.
I'm not negative to the possibility. I'm just sure it's not possible.
Hi,
I don't think it will happen. Due to there not being that many developers for the lumia. I also thing most of the hardware could be used in android, Seeing as the HTC Desire S and the Sony Xperia Arc use the MSM8255 Snapdragon(but i could be wrong, I have only really started developing).
I just dont see any real advantage of running Android on the Lumia. It is already a great device. I could only see thing going downhill if you did. Your device would have alot of lag plus the lumia only has 512mb of ram. And everybody that has used android will tell you 512mb of ram is sufficiant but not enough to run smoothly or run any intense apps.
You could, but you'd have to ask Dark Forces Team and Cotulla to release either a port of MAGLDR or the source to it to modify the chain boot loader.
Something I'd love to see but doubt we will ever see. I personally just got a Lumia 800 and although it's a nice phone the software lapses too much and in too many places so back to Android I go...even if it is the newer Android which is skinned over and too customised!
As I know the bootloader of lumia is very secured and will not allow modifications like dualOS booting.
1. You are crazy.
2. People always want what they can't get.
Technically it is possible. We have already seen examples of porting Android to older WM devices, like HTC HD2, HTC Touch Cruise, but it involves a lot of work and knowledge in system hacking.
Once you have cracked bootloader you can boot whatever you want. All you need to do is to find a device with the same chipset already running Android and port it over. Of course there will be many driver problems like non working, BT, WiFi, camera etc, but hey, what did you expect.
I bet that there is the same question in Nexus forums - How can we port WP7 to Galaxy Nexus
If you want the Lumia with android, sell it and buy the Nokia N9
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/10/nokia-n9-spotted-running-ice-cream-sandwich-dual-boot-in-the-wo/
damn i should hav bouth the n9 :/
would hav been better...but i still love this baby..
about time till the OS is opened up for new features....
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damn i should hav bouth the n9 :/
would hav been better...but i still love this baby..
about time till the OS is opened up for new features....
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hi , does enyone know if there will be a port from android to lumia ?
because that would be pretty cool , having te possibilit yto run android on this epic phone
i love WP7 but there arent that many awesome apps , so thats why i would love the possibility to run android
anywayz , have fun with your phone !
and i know this isnt Q&A but that forum doesnt exist yet so i post this Q here
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You're both crazy, why didn't you just go Android? Strange people?
Yeah I bought this phone to get rid of Andrpid myself. I'm so sick of it!
Why the hell would you want freakin' Android to run on a WP like this?? You're crazy, that's clear
Android only has negative sides, WP is refreshing and smooth. I don't see ANY reason why you would want Android to mess up this beatiful phone.
Okay, I'm an Android hater, that's clear, but let me point it out:
Android is a copy of iOS (it's just boring)
It lags all the way
You need a nuclear power plant to keep it running for 1 day
The user experience is not consistent on all devices (not even with the same OEM!!)
Updates? Yes, if you do it all yourself
Open? Oh, thank you for your openness Android, and the malware...
I can go on if you'd like, but I think it's clear why I don't see this as a good idea...
Lol, that was one of the dumbest trollings I've seen, _Madmatt.
For me its WP which only has negative sides. Its locked, limited, the interface is counter intuitive in many places, can't multitask properly, most apps are inferior to android ones, upgrades are rolled out slowly and with the locked product codes you never know if you'll get the next one, etc.
Ah, and android is no copy of iOS, but the wp7 tiles ARE a copy of android widgets, with some functionality removed.
As for the hardware of the lumia 800, it is superior to my 2 years old N1, with a better CPU, GPU, and the same memory. And my N1 flies running MIUI, so even a crippled phone like this should even be better.
Why did I get a Lumia? I was offered it, tried to use it for some time, gave up, gave it to the wife, who is now begging for me to give her her blade back. Even the better screen and camera were insufficient to convince her to keep using the Lumia. She keeps complaining of the apps, of the terrible battery, of being unable to do anything. Even changing a ringtone is a mess, having to cut and resample a MP3 file before being able to use it as a ringtone.
So, it seems like the Lumia will end in a drawer until someone manages to port android or meego to it. Unfortunately as it was a gift I can't sell it, or it would be gone by now.
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Lol, that was one of the dumbest trollings I've seen, _Madmatt.
For me its WP which only has negative sides. Its locked, limited, the interface is counter intuitive in many places, can't multitask properly, most apps are inferior to android ones, upgrades are rolled out slowly and with the locked product codes you never know if you'll get the next one, etc.
Ah, and android is no copy of iOS, but the wp7 tiles ARE a copy of android widgets, with some functionality removed.
As for the hardware of the lumia 800, it is superior to my 2 years old N1, with a better CPU, GPU, and the same memory. And my N1 flies running MIUI, so even a crippled phone like this should even be better.
Why did I get a Lumia? I was offered it, tried to use it for some time, gave up, gave it to the wife, who is now begging for me to give her her blade back. Even the better screen and camera were insufficient to convince her to keep using the Lumia. She keeps complaining of the apps, of the terrible battery, of being unable to do anything. Even changing a ringtone is a mess, having to cut and resample a MP3 file before being able to use it as a ringtone.
So, it seems like the Lumia will end in a drawer until someone manages to port android or meego to it. Unfortunately as it was a gift I can't sell it, or it would be gone by now.
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If you really want to get rid of it, you can always ship it my way..
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If you really want to get rid of it, you can always ship it my way..
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Sure, send me a Galaxy SII or a a Galaxy Nexus and we have a deal.
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Sure, send me a Galaxy SII or a a Galaxy Nexus and we have a deal.
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LOL, you think I have such things? No way mate
Android and WP7 are two completely different beasts. No point in comparing them it's all about personal preference.
I come from Android and WP7 suits me so much better even though I liked the freedom of Android compared to WP. I rooted and flashed roms like crazy. But I got tired of acting beta tester. So much bugs here and there on Android. Specially if running custom roms.
Sure there are more apps also with more functionality. But I prefer the metro styled WP7 apps as they most often fit the design of the OS. That can't be said about Android apps. Often ugly and no one looks the same making the user experience much worse.
The lagg was the biggest issue for me with Android though. No matter the hardware (SGSII) there is always lag because of how the Android OS is built up. Even ICS won't fix this fully with its hardware acceleration. This is a area where Google has failed. Giving a smooth user experience. Both iPhone and WP7 has this and understand its importance but Android can't unless they rebuild it from the ground which I don't think will ever happen.
Completely agree with ^^
I was active Android ROM builder, tester, themer etc for more than 2 years., but I think I just got tired of endless battle with force closes and laags. The biggest problem with android is that it does not run on native code but on interpreted layer dalvikvm. You can try as hard as you want, but you will always need double horse power for the same tasks on other platforms.
That's also explains why WP7 is perfectly smooth with x2 less CPU and RAM while latest Google flagship with nearly desktop PC power suffers laagspikes here and there. While those small laag spikes are less visible on smartphones things are just getting worse with tablets. Today there is no tablet running Android which can render UI transitions with 60fps.
You can read a blog from ex Google employee about that.
How about some Android graphics true facts?
I agree with you guys,after using android from G1,htc hero,desire S,nexus one,sg1 and 2,galaxy nexus,lg optimus black and apple 4 and 3gs with all the cusotm roms and modifications none of them stand above wp7 smoothness. I can say i never had a lag on my phone ever,where android and ios would lag here and there. Again e-mail aplication is just a joy to use,and all the animation how they smooth transit...it never stops to impress me. Ofcourse it has some shortcomings but definatelly will get better,especially with nokia's help.Aplication wise,well i don't use that many apps but the one i used definatelly looked better than android and apple,it's like the have more soul and not look so dull and borring.
At first i did not like the idea Nokia refused android but now i see that they done the right decision,i see it no better.
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I come from Android and WP7 suits me so much better even though I liked the freedom of Android compared to WP. I rooted and flashed roms like crazy. But I got tired of acting beta tester. So much bugs here and there on Android. Specially if running custom roms.
Sure there are more apps also with more functionality. But I prefer the metro styled WP7 apps as they most often fit the design of the OS. That can't be said about Android apps. Often ugly and no one looks the same making the user experience much worse.
The lagg was the biggest issue for me with Android though. No matter the hardware (SGSII) there is always lag because of how the Android OS is built up.
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Well said. I had got used to the lag and didn't realise how bad it was until I got the Lumia.
I got sick of flashing ROMS too. CM7 was nice and stable, but when ICS roms came out I got sucked in. The gapps are all facelifted and are a lot nicer than Gingerbread. But then the ICS roms all have their issues and it just gets annoying.
Hi everyone,
I'm a writer for LockerGnome.com and currently putting together an article exploring Google's new Android strategy. I'm looking for some opinions, particularly from developers, about what Google's new strategy portends for ROM development.
In a nutshell, here's Google's new strategy for Android: It will be giving multiple mobile-device makers early access to new releases of Android and to sell those devices directly to consumers. (Search "site:wsj.com google" for the Wall Street Journal's report. Hopefully you'll be able to access the link I've provided, but if not: Essentially, Google will be offering consumers more phones to purchase with a "vanilla Android" experience; they will then be able to take these phones to the cellular carrier of their choice. A researcher quoted in the article believes that Google is moving toward a more iOS-like experience, with less variance among devices.
What I'd like to know is what those in this community feel will result due to this new strategy. Since they're may be less variances among future Android devices, will there be less of a demand for "vanilla-ized" Android ROMs? My understanding of CyanogenMod is that one of its main appeals is that it allows for users to experience a plain, "vanilla" Android on devices -- with enough new devices already offering a pure, bloatware-less Android, will the CyanogenMod scene begin to fade in relevance?
Please let me know if I can use any of your comments in my article, and let me also know how you would like to be attributed if I use your comment(s). (Private message me, if you'd like, with a link to one of your online profiles or a website that you run, or some such thing.)
Thanks!
I'm a writer for LockerGnome and
well i dont think its gonna be an iOS-like experience at all, its all gonna be pretty much the same cept we'll have 5 nexuses, manufacturers are still gonna be making their devices with their 'OEM skins' just the like theyre doing it now. i also can feel like manufacturers are gonna release same device theyll have as nexus with their skin on top (picture the One X with the option to choose if you want it with sense or with vanilla/stock android) kinda like the Desire Z and the T Mobile G2, its gonna be even better for us flashaholics cause well be able to flash more ROMs
also Cyanogenmod its gonna keep growing cause even if its AOSP based they add their own optimizations making the experience even better, every more and more people are flashing that particular ROM even if their device has vanilla android already in it
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well i dont think its gonna be an iOS-like experience at all, its all gonna be pretty much the same cept we'll have 5 nexuses, manufacturers are still gonna be making their devices with their 'OEM skins' just the like theyre doing it now. i also can feel like manufacturers are gonna release same device theyll have as nexus with their skin on top (picture the One X with the option to choose if you want it with sense or with vanilla/stock android) kinda like the Desire Z and the T Mobile G2, its gonna be even better for us flashaholics cause well be able to flash more ROMs
also Cyanogenmod its gonna keep growing cause even if its AOSP based they add their own optimizations making the experience even better, every more and more people are flashing that particular ROM even if their device has vanilla android already in it
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Thanks for your comments. So with the introduction of more "Vanilla" Android devices, you believe the "flashaholic" community will continue to grow? Won't the majority of consumers who purchase the unlocked Android devices no longer have a reason to flash their devices? It's obvious that "flashaholics" enjoy optimizing and overclocking their phones (even at the expense of other things, such as battery life) -- but don't you think most consumers would prefer not to void their warranty (and would generally opt for better battery duration rather than a speed boost)?
You can use anything. Please attribute me as "lalop".
Note: An important distinction to make (not having the article at hand, I'm not sure if the researcher made it himself): Google is attempting to reduce the variance in the software of Android phones. In terms of hardware, it is the complete opposite. Encouraging competition between multiple Nexii will ensure that only the most cutting-edge designs are sent in. Without any OEM differentiation on the software, the contest truly becomes that of the best manufacturing. (This means no more half-assed Nexus specs/accessories *cough Samsung cough*.)
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What I'd like to know is what those in this community feel will result due to this new strategy. Since they're may be less variances among future Android devices, will there be less of a demand for "vanilla-ized" Android ROMs? My understanding of CyanogenMod is that one of its main appeals is that it allows for users to experience a plain, "vanilla" Android on devices -- with enough new devices already offering a pure, bloatware-less Android, will the CyanogenMod scene begin to fade in relevance?
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CyanogenMod turns OEM skins into AOSP, that is true, but the result can hardly be called "vanilla". The "Mod" itself adds so much customization and speed that, as I noticed firsthand from using the Galaxy Nexus, the stock ROM and CM9 aren't really comparable at all.
Now, you talk about "vanilla-ized" ROMs, but I would suggest this is a misnomer. Yes, anyone can compile AOSP if they just want a "vanilla" ROM, but there's almost no point to just stopping there and going no further. The ROM and/or kernel are just begging for your tweaks, your mild improvements, and this is precisely what drives the homebrew developer.
As such, it turns out that almost every custom ROM has something differentiating it from the original; even the so-called "vanilla experiences" are generally designed to be smoother and have better battery life. No number of stock phones from Google could possibly reduce the demand for (nor the incentive to create) such things. So I would say that the answer is "no" on all accounts.
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Now, the effect of multiple Nexii on homebrewing that would worry me is "fragmentation" (though not in the usual sense of the word). Having five Nexuses would effectively detrone each one from its former pedestal as the (no pun intended) Nexus of development. Since most homebrew developers would probably not purchase all five (and would have a harder time maintaining all versions even if they did), this could end up having an adverse effect on their development. Although having a fleet of Nexus is practically a dream come true, I fear that five may be too many, and may unintentionally compromise their development as a whole.
Now, as pointed out by lazaro here, this would not affect ROM development per se, only low level stuff like kernels. The obvious way I can think of to avoid the issue is to mandate similar hardware for all the Nexus - and yet I feel this is undesirable. After all, competition is key here, and I'm sure we're also all waiting for our Nexus Note™, of course! *hint hint*
http://t.co/9rTNXkvM
Here are some of my thoughts on the matter.
I am more excited about this than I have been for any other Android news ever! I am ready to get out of the continuous contacts and upgrade dates, especially the high prices for service.
As far as development goes, some of the best development has been done on Nexus devices, except of course the hd2... What will be good for manufacturers is that they will receive earlier updates for android allowing them to tweak their proprietary versions sooner allowing quicker updates!
For custom rom's you will see a lot of activity.
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thebobp said:
You can use anything. Please attribute me as "lalop".
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Thank you for taking the time to post your comments; my own response to yours is below.
thebobp said:
Note: An important distinction to make (not having the article at hand, I'm not sure if the researcher made it himself): Google is attempting to reduce the variance in the software of Android phones. In terms of hardware, it is the complete opposite. Encouraging competition between multiple Nexii will ensure that only the most cutting-edge designs are sent in. Without any OEM differentiation on the software, the contest truly becomes that of the best manufacturing. (This means no more half-assed Nexus specs/accessories *cough Samsung cough*.)
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I was vague in my description of what was mentioned about device variance in the article. Here's exactly what the writer of the article stated:
Rajeev Chand, head of research at Rutberg & Co., said Android has become a kind of "Wild West" in which app developers have struggled to make sure apps are compatible with hundreds of different Android-powered devices. Both device makers and carriers have left their imprint on devices, meaning the "customer experience is highly variant", he said.
Mr. Chand said Google's shift appears to be a move "to create a more standardized experience for consumers and app developers," similar to that of Apple.
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Does that fit what you're asserting?
thebobp said:
CyanogenMod turns OEM skins into AOSP, that is true, but the result can hardly be called "vanilla". The "Mod" itself adds so much customization and speed that, as I noticed firsthand from using the Galaxy Nexus, the stock ROM and CM9 aren't really comparable at all.
Now, you talk about "vanilla-ized" ROMs, but I would suggest this is a misnomer. Yes, anyone can compile AOSP if they just want a "vanilla" ROM, but there's almost no point to just stopping there and going no further. The ROM and/or kernel are just begging for your tweaks, your mild improvements, and this is precisely what drives the homebrew developer.
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The term Vanilla is how the CyanogenMod "look" is described at http://www.cyanogenmod.com/about. I should have recognized that there is a world of difference between aesthetics and performance. Thanks for pointing that out.
thebobp said:
As such, it turns out that almost every custom ROM has something differentiating it from the original; even the so-called "vanilla experiences" are generally designed to be smoother and have better battery life. No number of stock phones from Google could possibly reduce the demand for (nor the incentive to create) such things. So I would say that the answer is "no" on all accounts.
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I don't have any experience with iOS devices; is there a similar incentive to modify iPhones and iPads purchased directly from Apple?
thebobp said:
Now, the effect of multiple Nexii on homebrewing that would worry me is "fragmentation" (though not in the usual sense of the word). Having five Nexuses would effectively detrone each one from its former pedestal as the (no pun intended) Nexus of development. Since most homebrew developers would probably not purchase all five (and would have a harder time maintaining all versions even if they did), this could end up having an adverse effect on their development.
Although having a fleet of Nexus is practically a dream come true, I fear that five may be too many, and may unintentionally compromise their development as a whole.
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One thing to note: Google will be working with "as many as five manufacturers at a time to create a portfolio of 'Nexus' lead devices that include smartphones and tablets." To me, this doesn't necessarily imply just give devices -- there could be a few devices from each manufacturer.
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Now, as pointed out by lazaro here, this would not affect ROM development per se, only low level stuff like kernels. The obvious way I can think of to avoid the issue is to mandate similar hardware for all the Nexus - and yet I feel this is undesirable. After all, competition is key here, and I'm sure we're also all waiting for our Nexus Note™, of course! *hint hint*
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Thanks again for your views. If I use your comments I'll be sure to attribute them to "lalop"; is there also a URL you are associated with that I may link to? If you prefer privacy, that's perfectly understandable. Also: Are you a developer?
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Way ahead of iOS, is that a joke? ... Android is very good, mainly down to the freedom to customise but that claim is not only incorrect but also naive. I have devices running both and where I can customise my Ray with little effort my iPad unfortunately I can't. That being said, the way iOS works and feels is, imo, much better than Android but without a jailbreak you are stuck on the grey and green look of iOS which is awful.
The reason I disagree with you is because Android as a platform is so fragmented that only Nexus devices can really be classed as true Android, I say this because every other manufacturer may use a version of Android but with their own skins it often doesn't look, feel or operate like it does on Nexus devices whereas iOS just works perfectly on any device but this is just my 2 cents, I like both and see the pros and cons of both and I certainly don't see one or the other being way ahead of the oither, I think they're on a par with each other but I have to admit that that is with a jailbroken iDevice, without it is limited and I agree on that.
term 'functionality'
AllAboutTheCore said:
Way ahead of iOS, is that a joke? ... Android is very good, mainly down to the freedom to customise but that claim is not only incorrect but also naive. I have devices running both and where I can customise my Ray with little effort my iPad unfortunately I can't. That being said, the way iOS works and feels is, imo, much better than Android but without a jailbreak you are stuck on the grey and green look of iOS which is awful.
The reason I disagree with you is because Android as a platform is so fragmented that only Nexus devices can really be classed as true Android, I say this because every other manufacturer may use a version of Android but with their own skins it often doesn't look, feel or operate like it does on Nexus devices whereas iOS just works perfectly on any device but this is just my 2 cents, I like both and see the pros and cons of both and I certainly don't see one or the other being way ahead of the oither, I think they're on a par with each other but I have to admit that that is with a jailbroken iDevice, without it is limited and I agree on that.
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Pure nexus is sure good.
Jailbroken iDevice provide some choice but not the functionality.
You have both try counting on things you can do on each.
make a list and post it, so every one can really make up their mind.
enjoy the result and share.
Can any developer try making iOS custom ROM for RN3 !!
iOS?! Wrong section btw.
Use miui....its like ios
Wrong section.
miui is implementing ios themed in almost everything, plus, why you don't try theme store, it has a lot of ios themed theme right there.
Use miui use theme iOS or buy iphone
Oh great idea. I'm sure a dev is going to get right on that. And I'm sure it will run iOS apps instead of Android apps with no problem too. Sure, no problem. I can't believe no one's thought of this before.
/sarcasm
Please make Krexus 7.1 rom
Why r u so fool
Lol
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Ok, since everybody is making joke of you, let me clarify why it's impossible.
Why do iPhone's cost so much? Because they have a great OS (iOS). The apple developers spent a lot of time working on this system and that's why they won't share their work (sources). And that's why porting iOS becomes much much harder (same for Windows Mobile).
So if you want iOS you MUST buy an iPhone.
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What about Carbon Rom..??
mr.loverlover said:
Why do iPhone's cost so much? Because they have a great OS (iOS).
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Great OS? LOL. It's **** compared to pretty much any build of Android.
I'll tell you the real reason why iPhones cost so much: Brand recognition. That's pretty much it. Same reason why Calvin Klein jeans cost more than no-name jeans.
That, and maybe the fact that some people - especially low-end users - prefer iOS because it's simpler and has less options and settings to mess with.
Also, why it's (pretty much) impossible? Different architecture. Seem reason you can't install OS X on a Windows PC. (Yes, I know there are emulators and open source projects that can somewhat do this, but you get my point.)
kazekiri said:
Great OS? LOL. It's **** compared to pretty much any build of Android.
I'll tell you the real reason why iPhones cost so much: Brand recognition. That's pretty much it. Same reason why Calvin Klein jeans cost more than no-name jeans.
That, and maybe the fact that some people - especially low-end users - prefer iOS because it's simpler and has less options and settings to mess with.
Also, why it's (pretty much) impossible? Different architecture. Seem reason you can't install OS X on a Windows PC. (Yes, I know there are emulators and open source projects that can somewhat do this, but you get my point.)
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I totally agree with you.
They were the first to introduce an innovative OS and now their fans will buy anything that has an apple logo on it.
Sadly, same thing happened with Samsung. Prices are comparable to iPhone's and people still buy them
By saying "great" I mean very good optimisation and most importantly, it's made for simple users.
I've seen so many people with android, who don't even know 70% of the possibilities of android.
Different architecture may also be a reason.
If any iOS port existed, I would definitely try it, just to see why people say it's "the best", but still, it's way too simple for me.
Simple reason why ios cant be ported to any android devices is ios is a closed source.they keep their os intact unlike google.so there is no possibility that it could be ported ,only one thing can be done that is theming any rom just like ios.
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