I didn't see this posted anywhere yet so I figured I'd throw it out there for anyone who hasn't read it yet.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/30/atandt-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/
It's going to suck not being able to get mine until Tuesday
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I didn't see this posted anywhere yet so I figured I'd throw it out there for anyone who hasn't read it yet.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/30/atandt-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/
It's going to suck not being able to get mine until Tuesday
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Nice write up. They usually do a nice job with their reviews. I was hoping to pick this up a BB but my local store won't have them until the 10/12
Called my local ATT store as well and they didn't get any today(better come tomorrow)
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Nice write up. They usually do a nice job with their reviews. I was hoping to pick this up a BB but my local store won't have them until the 10/12
Called my local ATT store as well and they didn't get any today(better come tomorrow)
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That 10/12 is a computer error. Go there Sunday, they will be there.
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That 10/12 is a computer error. Go there Sunday, they will be there.
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Hope your right! I pre ordered one anyway If they don't have it, I'll head to ATT
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Hope your right! I pre ordered one anyway If they don't have it, I'll head to ATT
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The AT&T stores will most likely have most of the phones compared to a Best Buy, but if I hadn't pre-ordered mine, I would go to the store that opened up first.
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The AT&T stores will most likely have most of the phones compared to a Best Buy, but if I hadn't pre-ordered mine, I would go to the store that opened up first.
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+1. Btw, how do you know 10/12 is computer error?
Guys over on AC. One works for BB and said that they are selling them Sunday.
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+1. Btw, how do you know 10/12 is computer error?
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Guys over on AC. One works for BB and said that they are selling them Sunday.
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That same guy from the AC forums said so. My receipt for my pre-order says I can pick up mine up on 9/25/11 & total cost $649.99. Lot of errors right there.
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That same guy from the AC forums said so. My receipt for my pre-order says I can pick up mine up on 9/25/11 & total cost $649.99. Lot of errors right there.
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AC? Android Community?
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AC? Android Community?
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Sorry, Android Central. Android Community has a lousy forum.
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Sorry, Android Central. Android Community has a lousy forum.
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oh ok. Yeah I just poked around a little on android community, its seemed kinda weak
Btw, just gave you your first thanks!
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oh ok. Yeah I just poked around a little on android community, its seemed kinda weak
Btw, just gave you your first thanks!
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Thank you, I'm trying to be humble, but if I give good info, I think I should get props.
Sacramento AT&T stores have none on Saturday, but will order for you.
The Parrot stores have none til November.
Best-Buy has six on the "Online / Pre-Order" locked shelf.
I will have one in the morning!
Rhiven said:
I didn't see this posted anywhere yet so I figured I'd throw it out there for anyone who hasn't read it yet.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/30/atandt-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/
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I like the review. Glad its not so iPhone biased like Engadget normally does their reviews.
They are lying their asses off though when it comes to battery life being phenomenal. I'd always trust Anandtech review's more for battery life testing which rates it at good for screen-on time but not "AMAZING" the way Engadget is making it out to be...
This is my 8th Android and ive had all iPhone generations and I can honestly say that for the screen size and power that this phone packs, it does have awesome battery life. The best ive ever seen in Android. I text all day, surf web, talk, email, facebook, write and read lots of emails, read xda, etc.. and past 3 days it has lasted me thru my 8-10 hour shift with about 20-25% left to spare as I get home.
This battery life is just as good, if not better, than the iPhone 4 mho
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Related
Heres a link to my marketplace advertisement:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=816197
and ebay....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140468950379&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
Really? You're asking for more than Orange is asking for it on pay as you go brand new.
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Really? You're asking for more than Orange is asking for it on pay as you go brand new.
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ahhh i didnt't see their price! I just did a quick google product search and did it cheaper than the lowest found there, which was £469 justifying my £459 starting bid
http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl=en&q=htc+mozart&scoring=pd
You might get lucky on ebay either way, I've sold plenty of stuff there for above RRP.
How come you're selling? I played with one today, I really like the form factor. The screen not so much.
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You might get lucky on ebay either way, I've sold plenty of stuff there for above RRP.
How come you're selling? I played with one today, I really like the form factor. The screen not so much.
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Yea got a bid so far! I personally dont like windows mobile 7, android all the way for me. This was the upgrade Orange offered as they dont have the HD for now and so getting this and selling it for one
I'm finding myself in a similar position, I wanted the HD but they have sent me this out. It'll be here Monday also. I imagine there will be more listings after Monday for sure, good thinking on getting that head start. I think I'd rather do that than pay £7 to send it back to Orange.
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I'm finding myself in a similar position, I wanted the HD but they have sent me this out. It'll be here Monday also. I imagine there will be more listings after Monday for sure, good thinking on getting that head start. I think I'd rather do that than pay £7 to send it back to Orange.
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Exaclty yeah, I want the HD but they dont have it as of yet therefore selling the unwanted Mozart for it. I was the first on ebay but now there are 3 others, one of which was 'highly inspired' by the wording of my listing down to the letter at points lol but my lisitng is at £499 so far being lead by an American, perhaps they cant get this phone right now, VERY curious to see how high this goes!
I intend on picking up the HD from a Phones4u store as soon as the cash transfers
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one of which was 'highly inspired' by the wording of my listing to the letter at points lol
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ah ok, Wasn't me then. I'd straight up copy+paste
Nah I'll be creative somehow. Maybe change the font.
Looks like everyone is a winner, hope your auction goes far.
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ah ok, Wasn't me then. I'd straight up copy+paste
Nah I'll be creative somehow. Maybe change the font.
Looks like everyone is a winner, hope your auction goes far.
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lol its working for me so feel free! Cheers, good luck to yourself to if you do the same
A thread to end all the hopes of others.
I went to best buy on my lunch break 12pm east. Asked for my Tbolt and they said Verizon has delayed it and no date is known yet.
So there you have it.
I got my $50 back because I really didn't even want to support Best Buy anyway, I hope they go out of business, I f*ing hate that store.*(not because they didnt have my tbolt)
Don't believe rumors other people post from talking to CSR. Lets face it folks, most people hired at Best Buy don't know their own head from their ass, so any info received from them is just be considered untrue.
Cool story bro.
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Cool story bro.
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Thanks for acknowledging.
What are you like 10 years old? Take your fag troll **** elsewhere.
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A thread to end all the hopes of others.
I went to best buy on my lunch break 12pm east. Asked for my Tbolt and they said Verizon has delayed it and no date is known yet.
So there you have it.
I got my $50 back because I really didn't even want to support Best Buy anyway, I hope they go out of business, I f*ing hate that store.*(not because they didnt have my tbolt)
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OMG I can't believe this. So now instead of having tons of threads confirming dates we are starting threads unconfirming dates. Can't we just keep this to one thread.
For God Sake where is the MOD for the Thunderbolt thread!!
No offense to you in particular OP
Don't have to read them.
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TNS201 said:
A thread to end all the hopes of others.
I went to best buy on my lunch break 12pm east. Asked for my Tbolt and they said Verizon has delayed it and no date is known yet.
So there you have it.
I got my $50 back because I really didn't even want to support Best Buy anyway, I hope they go out of business, I f*ing hate that store.*(not because they didnt have my tbolt)
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Join the club.
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How do I get my $50 back? When I pre-ordered, they gave me a $50 gift card and a receipt. I went in yesterday to return it and cancel my pre-order. They told me they couldn't refund the gift card. Did you get the gift card too?
- Rob
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OMG I can't believe this. So now instead of having tons of threads confirming dates we are starting threads unconfirming dates. Can't we just keep this to one thread.
For God Sake where is the MOD for the Thunderbolt thread!!
No offense to you in particular OP
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This is a thread to end all. No need to post in every "Tbolt releases Feb 14th thread"
Also mods on XDA don't do much here. With so many forums to moderate, and not enough mods, stuff takes awhile to be taken care of, if ever at all...
Your working you way on a ban with that talk,
Andrew has to mod two forums so don't complain
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How do I get my $50 back? When I pre-ordered, they gave me a $50 gift card and a receipt. I went in yesterday to return it and cancel my pre-order. They told me they couldn't refund the gift card. Did you get the gift card too?
- Rob
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Take it to the service desk, say I want my refund because you lied and said my phone would be here and its the 14th and no phone. I want my money back and will take my business to Verizon.
You dont have to say all that, but you can just say you want your money back because the phone didn't show. Don't let them feed you any ****. Just start *****ing. Best Buy employees are dumb in general. They hire people that don't know jack **** about electronics.
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Don't have to read them.
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The problem isn't the english used in the posts that is why I don't have a problem reading them. The problem is their existence and the unnecessary threads crowding of this section of xda. Although I guess complaining about it will bring no solution either so... I guess it will be what it will be.
It will settle down when the phone comes out.
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Yea you are right... I guess the fact that i've seen all of these threads indicates i'm either really bored or i'm looking forward to this phone just as much as everyone else.
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Yea you are right... I guess the fact that i've seen all of these threads indicates i'm either really bored or i'm looking forward to this phone just as much as everyone else.
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yea don't worry so much about it. Soon the forum will be flooded with noob questions and noobs posting in the wrong section. Look at the dInc section of the forum..
This the first time a forum has been this crazy over a phone, and it won't be the last.
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Once the phone comes out most of my time will be in the Thundertbolt Development and Hacking thread, the noobs can have the General section.
Well, time to get back to work.
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Lol thanks for the information everyone but I'm not new here lol. I have not seen this many threads pop up in 2 days and I had the incredible on release day as I had most winmo phones (with keyboards of course) on release days. I guess I'm just surprised by this many threads. I bet the EVO section was this way before release. Maybe the HD2 as well.. I dunno
http://www.enn.ie/bwire_stories/show/3253547
looks like BB extended the buyback program to the 26th. What a specific date..
rotorocker said:
http://www.enn.ie/bwire_stories/show/3253547
looks like BB extended the buyback program to the 26th. What a specific date..
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That program is a ripoff
For a phone under $350 its $40...
For a phone over $350 think it was $50-60.
Just another scam by best buy.
but for a $749 phone retail, 12-18 months later its worth 225 or 150 18-24 months which is why I think they're pushing it with the thunderbolt. For less expensive phones it obviously wouldn't be worth it as much
For anyone interested...
http://phandroid.com/2011/09/23/1saleaday-offering-32gb-sandisk-microsd-card-for-30/
I just ordered one about a hour ago
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How the Hell do you Order it? I Clicked the link but the next screen with the Buy Now button Doesn't Work!
PMGRANDS said:
How the Hell do you Order it? I Clicked the link but the next screen with the Buy Now button Doesn't Work!
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The deal has already expired. 1SaleADay has sales on items that only last for 24 hours, hence the name.
PMGRANDS said:
How the Hell do you Order it? I Clicked the link but the next screen with the Buy Now button Doesn't Work!
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Thats just a screen shot Bro. The sale ended a while back. That site has a Deal a Day. It constantly changes.
KB112 said:
Thats just a screen shot Bro. The sale ended a while back. That site has a Deal a Day. It constantly changes.
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Oh ****...
Damn that was a Good ass Deal! Any other links for 32g SDCards? Lol...
PMGRANDS said:
Oh ****...
Damn that was a Good ass Deal! Any other links for 32g SDCards? Lol...
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I bumped the other thread about this, but here's what I posted...
In case people missed it, another one of those "deal" sites is offering the same exact card now for the same price. $35 shipped. I frequently see stuff that doesn't sell out on 1saleaday.com get offered there after a few days. They have a "status bar" kind of like how Woot does during the wootoffs so you can see how much available stock is left. Looks like they might have this for a couple of days, but I wouldn't wait too long.
http://bensoutlet.com/products/sandisk-32gb
I can vouch for them. I've ordered through them before and I think they're actually quicker than 1saleaday.com.
ScottSNX said:
I bumped the other thread about this, but here's what I posted...
In case people missed it, another one of those "deal" sites is offering the same exact card now for the same price. $35 shipped. I frequently see stuff that doesn't sell out on 1saleaday.com get offered there after a few days. They have a "status bar" kind of like how Woot does during the wootoffs so you can see how much available stock is left. Looks like they might have this for a couple of days, but I wouldn't wait too long.
http://bensoutlet.com/products/sandisk-32gb
I can vouch for them. I've ordered through them before and I think they're actually quicker than 1saleaday.com.
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Hey Good look man... Appreciate the Help!
The Transformer Prime TF700T will likely be the first tablet released to sport a 2.3-million-pixel, 1,920x1,200 screen. For those keeping count, that's more than twice the pixel count of any previous tablets, which top out at 1,280x800 (1.02 millions pixels). No release date but I think its worth the wait.
Read more: http://ces.cnet.com/2300-33378_1-10010873.html?tag=contentMain;mGalleryUL#ixzz1j4rZYihc
What else did you do today?
dkb218 said:
The Transformer Prime TF700T will likely be the first tablet released to sport a 2.3-million-pixel, 1,920x1,200 screen. For those keeping count, that's more than twice the pixel count of any previous tablets, which top out at 1,280x800 (1.02 millions pixels). No release date but I think its worth the wait.
Read more: http://ces.cnet.com/2300-33378_1-10010873.html?tag=contentMain;mGalleryUL#ixzz1j4rZYihc
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Good for you. I'm also waiting for my flying car.
I'm going to go take a dump. After that, I'm going to eat my yogurt for breakfast. Then I'll probably work on some press releases that I need to get written.
Beats me why anyone is still considering buying Asus after the disregard they have so blatently shown for their customers.
I'll never purchase or allow to come into my home, another Asus product. There are plenty of other company's out there who haven't yet purposefully shafted their customer base.
Thanks for the info. Ill update my dkb218 fansite now.
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Beats me why anyone is still considering buying Asus after the disregard they have so blatently shown for their customers.
I'll never purchase or allow to come into my home, another Asus product. There are plenty of other company's out there who haven't yet purposefully shafted their customer base.
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Sort of like posting on a forum for a product that you don't like made by a company you don't like.
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Sort of like posting on a forum for a product that you don't like made by a company you don't like.
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I posting here because I know they read this site. It's pretty pointless posting where I'm not sure they'll get it.
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I posting here because I know they read this site. It's pretty pointless posting where I'm not sure they'll get it.
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And they should care about the opinions of someone who will never buy their products again?
It's kinda ironic though that the Transformers are the best software-supported tablets out there. Constant updates and usually among the first to get the latest.
Now that's...Mean.
Wait. I take it you're the early adapters who got stuck with the OLD version and are acting like you're on the rag because I posted this. Damn. Oh well.
Don't take in out on me little girle men. Call Asus and level a grip at them.
What else did I do today, you ask? I didn't by a Transformer Prime! HA, ha hardy har har!
and then you'll be waiting after that when someone brings out an even snazzier toy.
at what point will you actually stop and buy?
TF700 is slated Q2 which if normal release cycles are anything to go by will be the back end of that quarter and that will be provided there are no delays. they have to be able to produce a 600+ nits screen that can do full HD on mass production levels and hope they don't encounter any other problems.
then you have have whether or not ICS will cope with a full HD screen on normal day to day use, will apps? will ICS need tweaking to work properly? will tegra 3 be able to handle full HD res without dragging its ass like a dog.
I'm buying the prime now, with a weather eye on the TF700 down the line. no reason to deny myself in the meantime. play with the prime. sell it six to seven months down the line and get the newer model sounds like a plan to me.
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Thanks for the info. Ill update my dkb218 fansite now.
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You go on ahead and do that! Make sure you spell my name right this time. I know you have that learning disability but for crisp sake, it DKB218 not KDE32s. Get it right for the love of Pete! {LMAO}
You guys are so funny! I needed a good laugh. So, how's the Transformer!
dkb218 said:
You guys are so funny! I needed a good laugh. So, how's the Transformer!
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AWESOME..Loving ICS.. I came from a Galaxy 10.1 which the Prime blows away!!
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You go on ahead and do that! Make sure you spell my name right this time. I know you have that learning disability but for crisp sake, it DKB218 not KDE32s. Get it right for the love of Pete! {LMAO}
You guys are so funny! I needed a good laugh. So, how's the Transformer!
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Was any of this supposed to make sense? plz reply soon, the public needs to know.
Someone Walkin' said:
Beats me why anyone is still considering buying Asus after the disregard they have so blatently shown for their customers.
I'll never purchase or allow to come into my home, another Asus product. There are plenty of other company's out there who haven't yet purposefully shafted their customer base.
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I was thinking the same thing. The people saying they canceled their preorders or returned the Prime b/c it's a "POS" but are waiting for the next Asus tablet really amuse me.
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I posting here because I know they read this site. It's pretty pointless posting where I'm not sure they'll get it.
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If I posted on forums for brands I no longer like it would be a 100hr/week job.
(get a life, move on, Asus is not a bad ex-girlfriend...though you sound like one)
My Prime works great.
I got ICS early.
I don't need GPS on a tablet, I've got a phone.
I really like the aluminum.
There is always going to be something better 4-6 months from now...
It's been confirmed that the 700 will hit the market in June.
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It's been confirmed that the 700 will hit the market in June.
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ASUS are not known to hit release dates very well.
ORam78 said:
It's been confirmed that the 700 will hit the market in June.
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bet you $1 that it doesn't hit until July at the earliest
This thread is here so not to fill other threads with generalized N6 rant.
Please discuss the following here:
Shipping woes
Likes and dislikes of the:
Build
Quality
Support
Color choices
Screen
Speakers
Volume
Buttons
Battery
Size
Reception (wifi and or data)
Aspects in comparison to previous Nexus builds.
I received my device...
Should there need be anything added, please let me know.
This thread is a NON FLAME zone
Anyone else in "Processing" purgatory? Been processing for almost 48 hours. A coworker also went processing 4 hours AFTER I did, already shipped and will have it in hand tomorrow.
A rant thread is good for the above things until things shake out a bit, but how about a received shipping thread too? This way we can just view the waiting area with like minded people.. waiting. Then if I want to see who got their shipping confirmations I can torture myself in another thread.
It would be nice if Google were more open regarding the different color and capacity shipping times. There have been a multitude of posts showing contact w/ Google CSR and very little explanation regarding these questions.
bobby janow said:
A rant thread is good for the above things until things shake out a bit, but how about a received shipping thread too? This way we can just view the waiting area with like minded people.. waiting. Then if I want to see who got their shipping confirmations I can torture myself in another thread.
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Last in the list
Im in the 128gb pending purgatory but I haven't received that email saying there is a delay yet.
Alaris said:
Im in the 128gb pending purgatory but I haven't received that email saying there is a delay yet.
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Great game last night:good:
Have you contacted Gcsr?
Yeah it was! I still think its a rebuild year for them though.
No I haven't just because mine isn't due to ship till the 5th and chances are they have no clue whats going on lol.
My first rant: mine is sitting at the front door after leaving FedEx center 1 mile from my office.
Google: stop locking FedEx shipments from being able to be picked up at local FedEx center. If Motorola (your former company) did and continues to, then so can you.
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My first rant: mine is sitting at the front door after leaving FedEx center 1 mile from my office.
Google: stop locking FedEx shipments from being able to be picked up at local FedEx center. If Motorola (your former company) did and continues to, then so can you.
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Yeah, but there's a trust issue with folks from CT
LOL, JK
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Yeah, but there's a trust issue with folks from CT
LOL, JK
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But payback is a ***** as they say: my company has a lucrative contract with them which can always be changed.
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markwebb said:
But payback is a ***** as they say: my company has a lucrative contract with them which can always be changed.
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Unfortunately Apple and BB play the same games when they are contracted.
Only complaint so far is battery life. It seems freakin dismal, I feel as though I must be doing something wrong! Perhaps Pushbullet does not agree with this phone?
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Only complaint so far is battery life. It seems freakin dismal, I feel as though I must be doing something wrong! Perhaps Pushbullet does not agree with this phone?
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Do you have a screenshot showing usage?
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Do you have a screenshot showing usage?
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Not yet, I've only been off charger for a few hours so I will post one later tonight. I'm driving to Milwaukee which is a few hours away and don't have a USB-C car charger yet so I'm worried about it dying. For reference, I'm currently at 84%, at this point in the day with my HTC One M8 (which already had pretty poor battery life) I was usually at 93-95%.
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Not yet, I've only been off charger for a few hours so I will post one later tonight. I'm driving to Milwaukee which is a few hours away and don't have a USB-C car charger yet so I'm worried about it dying. For reference, I'm currently at 84%, at this point in the day with my HTC One M8 (which already had pretty poor battery life) I was usually at 93-95%.
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Give it a couple days don't judge just yet
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tacosrdelicioso said:
Give it a couple days don't judge just yet
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Agreed.
Domenator said:
Not yet, I've only been off charger for a few hours so I will post one later tonight. I'm driving to Milwaukee which is a few hours away and don't have a USB-C car charger yet so I'm worried about it dying. For reference, I'm currently at 84%, at this point in the day with my HTC One M8 (which already had pretty poor battery life) I was usually at 93-95%.
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It's probably still syncing your account which can drain a lot.
seezar said:
It's probably still syncing your account which can drain a lot.
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Cant that be changed in the "Doze" settings.
LOL
markwebb said:
My first rant: mine is sitting at the front door after leaving FedEx center 1 mile from my office.
Google: stop locking FedEx shipments from being able to be picked up at local FedEx center. If Motorola (your former company) did and continues to, then so can you.
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get delivered to your office? simple solution. thats what i did...unfortunately mine is defective
CraigP17 said:
get delivered to your office? simple solution. thats what i did...unfortunately mine is defective
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wow, In what way?