I have an Infuse and plan to stay with it until it comes off contract, but I looked at the SGSII page on AT&T's website and it says 4G HSPA+... Really? Is it really only HSPA+? Or does AT&T want to repel all customers by advertising a Ferrari as having a 20HP Ford engine?
LTE is on a different model and comes out later. This one is HSPA+ only.
I'm glad it doesn't have LTE. I like having a reasonably sized phone with good battery life.
Haven't you noticed that Verizon customers are screwed? They get a choice of outdated underpowered phones, or battery-hogging fatties that provide no speed benefits for a significant portion of the population. In fact, apparently many of Verizon's LTE phones don't work well at all in non-LTE service areas.
I won't see LTE anywhere near where I live for years (probably not until my next upgrade cycle at least) so I'm glad this doesn't have LTE.
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I have an Infuse and plan to stay with it until it comes off contract, but I looked at the SGSII page on AT&T's website and it says 4G HSPA+... Really? Is it really only HSPA+? Or does AT&T want to repel all customers by advertising a Ferrari as having a 20HP Ford engine?
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No, it does not have LTE. LTE on AT&T is only available in a very small amount of cities. However, AT&T is not good at advertising just as you are not good at researching....
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I'm glad it doesn't have LTE. I like having a reasonably sized phone with good battery life.
Haven't you noticed that Verizon customers are screwed? They get a choice of outdated underpowered phones, or battery-hogging fatties that provide no speed benefits for a significant portion of the population. In fact, apparently many of Verizon's LTE phones don't work well at all in non-LTE service areas.
I won't see LTE anywhere near where I live for years (probably not until my next upgrade cycle at least) so I'm glad this doesn't have LTE.
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The guy at the store said that the phone is let capable and can be upgraded by an ota update later on. People have also found out that they have an lte icon in the system too. So its definitely on this phone.
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The guy at the store said that the phone is let capable and can be upgraded by an ota update later on. People have also found out that they have an lte icon in the system too. So its definitely on this phone.
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Your ****ing kidding me right? You can't be that dumb. It's not software related. There is NO LTE modem in the device. Are people seriously this gullible?
They use the same systemUI.apk where all your 3G, H, and H+ icons are located and just change xml's for different devices.
If the guy at the store said you can run iPhone apps, you going to believe him too?
Call me a jerk, asshole, whatever some people just need to be treated like they have no intelligence.
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The guy at the store said that the phone is let capable and can be upgraded by an ota update later on. People have also found out that they have an lte icon in the system too. So its definitely on this phone.
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yep.
SALESMEN NEVER LIE TO MAKE A SALE
shadowskorch said:
The guy at the store said that the phone is let capable and can be upgraded by an ota update later on. People have also found out that they have an lte icon in the system too. So its definitely on this phone.
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Store reps can NEVER be trusted for information like this.
And the presence of icons means nothing. A lot of frameworks are designed in a generic manner to ease software maintenance. We've got bootsplashes for Korean devices in our param.lfs for example.
Woah. Slow down there bud. This isn't my first android phone. I knew i wanted this weeks in advance so i didn't really care whether it had 4g. Now that i see reports of it being a possibility you go ape sh*t on me. You have to chill out.
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Because by marketing regulations, AT&T can call their HSPA+ network 4G.
I'm surprised no one's complaining about TMO's less competent HSPA+ network.
Its just how oil companies can market their stuff as full synthetic as long as they have an X% of synthetic oil in overall volume.
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Woah. Slow down there bud. This isn't my first android phone. I knew i wanted this weeks in advance so i didn't really care whether it had 4g. Now that i see reports of it being a possibility you go ape sh*t on me. You have to chill out.
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You didn't "see reports of it being a possibility" - you said it was definitely on this phone.
It is definitely NOT on this phone.
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You didn't "see reports of it being a possibility" - you said it was definitely on this phone.
It is definitely NOT on this phone.
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+1 and ill chill out when you educate yourself.
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In the "post your stock firmware " thread most, but not all were identical. Could odd balls possibly have different hardware? I can early upgrade on 10/16 from Infuse. If LTE version comes out wouldn't one be able to disable LTE radio/network like other bands? Would think it also would have hsdpa+ as a fallback??
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Woah. Slow down there bud. This isn't my first android phone. I knew i wanted this weeks in advance so i didn't really care whether it had 4g. Now that i see reports of it being a possibility you go ape sh*t on me. You have to chill out.
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In your post you said it was "definitely" on this phone "because the guy in the store told you" and you wonder why you got skewered?
At$t also has not finished the backhaul on its Hspa+ network, so most places do not even get that.
But the nice thing about hspa+ once it is done everyone will have access to a 21mbps network, that is pretty damn fast.
The no lte does not bother me a bit considering At$t hasn't even completed their +hspa.
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At$t also has not finished the backhaul on its Hspa+ network, so most places do not even get that.
But the nice thing about hspa+ once it is done everyone will have access to a 21mbps network, that is pretty damn fast.
The no lte does not bother me a bit considering At$t hasn't even completed their +hspa.
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In the "post your stock firmware " thread most, but not all were identical. Could odd balls possibly have different hardware? I can early upgrade on 10/16 from Infuse. If LTE version comes out wouldn't one be able to disable LTE radio/network like other bands? Would think it also would have hsdpa+ as a fallback??
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No, the LTE version just entered field testing. It is different sized phone and uses a different CPU (1.5Ghz Qualcomm vs 1.2GHz Exynos) as well. So, there will not be a mix up.
I guess the way AT&T advertises is they write 4G in bold letters with a star which says 4G speeds by HSPA Network.
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At$t also has not finished the backhaul on its Hspa+ network, so most places do not even get that.
But the nice thing about hspa+ once it is done everyone will have access to a 21mbps network, that is pretty damn fast.
The no lte does not bother me a bit considering At$t hasn't even completed their +hspa.
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Is LTE even that much faster than H+'s 21mbps? I don't see the point of getting an LTE phone for that extra speed while it drains your battery. How much speed do you really need to play Words with Friends? I'll stick with H+ phones
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Multiple technical support reps have told me over the phone that Atrix will do LTE (att flavor I guess). Yet I everything I've read contradicts this. Rumor is att will begin launching lte in certain areas june/july. Can anyone offer some clarifications reflgarding the Atrix radio capabilities?
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Multiple technical support reps have told me over the phone that Atrix will do LTE (att flavor I guess). Yet I everything I've read contradicts this. Rumor is att will begin launching lte in certain areas june/july. Can anyone offer some clarifications reflgarding the Atrix radio capabilities?
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They told me the same thing! when i bought the phone i specifically asked them and they said yes
forget it, they meant hspa+, this phone doesn't have a lte radio, no matter who says anything
HSPA can do up too 14.4mps and thats why they care calling it 4g even though 4g originally was data service of 100mb or better. The Atrix like stated above DOES NOT have the LTE radio no madder what ATT tells you.
Im not even on true HSPA in my area but I do know one thing, ever since the update that unlocked the upload I have seen 6mb down and 1.2mb up. I almost always see between 3-5mb now and I'm not even in a 4g area.
The good thing about HSPA is it uses the same 3g towers and technology so battery is not affected. I guess the verizon guys on LTE are seeing very horrible battery life compared to running 3g. Thats why those Thunderbolts get such bad battery life. We get faster speeds without hurting the battery.
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HSPA can do up too 14.4mps and thats why they care calling it 4g even though 4g originally was data service of 100mb or better. The Atrix like stated above DOES NOT have the LTE radio no madder what ATT tells you.
Im not even on true HSPA in my area but I do know one thing, ever since the update that unlocked the upload I have seen 6mb down and 1.2mb up. I almost always see between 3-5mb now and I'm not even in a 4g area.
The good thing about HSPA is it uses the same 3g towers and technology so battery is not affected. I guess the verizon guys on LTE are seeing very horrible battery life compared to running 3g. Thats why those Thunderbolts get such bad battery life. We get faster speeds without hurting the battery.
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There are multiple versions of HSPA - the Atrix can do 14.4 mbps on download, but other phones can do 7.2 or 21 or even 42 mbps. The Atrix will not support LTE ever. It does not have an LTE modem and is not upgradeable to one. ifixit's teardown showed that the Atrix has a Qualcomm MDM6200, which is not an LTE modem (http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releas...ls-new-roadmap-gobi-connectivity-technologies).
The best download speeds i've found in my area are about 7.1 down. Pretty darn good....not consistent at all though.
It also seems like att is coaching employees to tell customers that the Atrix will do LTE.
Im starting to wonder if they are going to market their hspa+ as a synonym for LTE.
Thanks for the responses and the link. Pretty clear att is continuing to lie about the subject.
If any of you are curious I encourage you to call ATT tech support and ask them about LTE and the Atrix. Post your responses here.
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Lets be realistic about this:
HSPA and LTE aren't that far apart from each other in the current state. Theoretically speaking, HSPA should be VERY close to LTE speeds once they fully roll out. HSPA is "4G" like whenever that will be fully rolled out to everyone. I'm sure there are a ton of you that are going to give out all of these statistics and what not to disprove me. The fact is, those numbers are all in "theory" and the fact of the matter is that we will never see those speeds....EVER, unless you live next to a cell tower.
I personally think that if we get 14mb speeds, we're damn good. The point is do we really need all of that speed?...not really...it's not that big of a deal. The phone is pretty bomb, the features are amazing.
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It also seems like att is coaching employees to tell customers that the Atrix will do LTE.
Thanks for the responses and the link. Pretty clear att is continuing to lie about the subject.
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I really don't think they are training their employees to say the phone is LTE capable. AT&T knows what the phone can and cannot do (its even printed on the box)
It sounds like you've just spoken with people who either didn't get all the facts or don't know the difference... not everybody is nerdy like us on all this HSPA+ LTE stuff
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AT&T says that they will be launching true LTE in select markets in about a weak. I was just curious whether or not our data speeds will increase as well? I know that we have a theoretical high of 14mbs. I hope that there is some chance of this. I hate that we have a phone that seems to be able to only go at one third of its max speed. Thanks in advance for anyone's input.
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AT&T says that they will be launching true LTE in select markets in about a weak. I was just curious whether or not our data speeds will increase as well? I know that we have a theoretical high of 14mbs. I hope that there is some chance of this. I hate that we have a phone that seems to be able to only go at one third of its max speed. Thanks in advance for anyone's input.
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No, because the Atrix is not an LTE phone.
It might improve if AT&T's network were overly saturated and, with the roll out of LTE, they enhanced their internal network with faster links. But I certainly wouldn't expect miracles.
Ahh what a shame. So we will never get the full data speeds our phones are truly capable of.
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Ahh what a shame. So we will never get the full data speeds our phones are truly capable of.
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That's just it, our phones aren't capable of it. Just b/c they stuck 4G in it doesn't make it so. More like 3 1/2 G capable.
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Swiftks said:
That's just it, our phones aren't capable of it. Just b/c they stuck 4G in it doesn't make it so. More like 3 1/2 G capable.
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3gs capable. x_X
I have questioned "tech support" reps on the phone about this. They falsely claim that ATRIX will do lte. However the ethereal "backhaul" and broadband upgrades may have the switch flipped. So I think we may see some network improvements in some areas as they upgrade existing towers and deploy new technology.
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They'd have to add backhaul to enable LTE too, as previously mentioned which means more FauxG in more areas. One could argue that lighter hspa congestion would allow us to get closer to our theoretical limit, however for that to happen we would have to see a significant portion of AT&T s subscribers change to LTE and you would only enjoy that bump in areas serviced by AT&T.
So if you sat in a two year time capsule...yes, you would see higher rates, though they still wouldn't be anywhere as fast as LTE.
Title says it all . Just thought I would set a poll to see where everyone is headed now that the specs have leaked and there are hands on videos surfacing the web.
omg, another post about this?? (although I did vote 'no')
How can I vote using XDA app?
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Menu > Browser
That will take you to the thread you are looking at, but in the browser.
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I hate to admit it as I was very much against switching, but I will be trying the new phone. 4 of my friends are also getting it and we geek out a good bit with our phones so I'm gonna test the waters. Luckily I know that if it's not exactly as I want it to be, I'll now have another 30 days to go back and get my beloved GSII.
No LTE in my city so why change?
No. Really don't see a reason to.
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That phone is too dang big for my dainty hands!
tboooe said:
That phone is too dang big for my dainty hands!
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This is funny reading it on a note!
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Just a heads up to everyone. AT&T Direct Corp stores will have the Skyrocket on sale for $149.99 starting Sunday. This price is good only at their stores, dealers will be the standard $249.99 pricing on a 2yr contract. Verified by 3 sources (2 prev managers I worked with) and 1 random local store.
Kadin said:
Just a heads up to everyone. AT&T Direct Corp stores will have the Skyrocket on sale for $149.99 starting Sunday. This price is good only at their stores, dealers will be the standard $249.99 pricing on a 2yr contract. Verified by 3 sources (2 prev managers I worked with) and 1 random local store.
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Thanks for this, though it seems odd that they would have a sale on a new release like that.
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Thanks for this, though it seems odd that they would have a sale on a new release like that.
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Agreed. They used the verbiage, 'initial launch window' which leads me to believe they're doing this to lure people directly into their stores initially. Not sure how long but it definitely won't be the permanent price. If I can get any more solid info or source material, I'll update - but no promises.
Is that in all markets, or just LTE markets?
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Is that in all markets, or just LTE markets?
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The last rep I talked with said nationwide. The info I got from my local stores and contacts are all close by and not in a current or soon-to-be LTE market.
I am suprised that after the official specs came out that everyone is still going to switch......I wasn't going to anyway, but now I feel even better about my decision.....well bon voyage fellas....and good luck with your new phone.
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That phone is too dang big for my dainty hands!
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That's my issues with it.
1. I just got the sga2 and the size of it is perfect. When I hold it in my right hand I can very easily swipe down the notifications or if I am typing with it is my ritgh hand and using my thumb I can do it easily and fairly accurately. With a bigger screen I don't know it will fit as nicely, in fact I am pretty sure it wont. I have the bionic and it drives me crazy because it so big and the thunderbolt is the same way.
2. Rom development learning curve. When the lye came out for Verizon there was a tremendous amount of issues ans bugs with data switching from 4g to 3g and half the time you were left without any data. It will not be as easy for the devs to make Roms or even port them because for some it will be a new concept. Right now we have a few great roms to choose from. When the sga2 is out it will be a while until there is a any Roms. If anything I will wait until the last couple of days of my return period which is about 22 days from now, to see the progress of development, before I think of switching. Like I said the screen size is an issue for me. If it doesn't fit as nice as this phone then I definitely wont switch.
3. Battery life- even though the skyrkt has a bigger battery the battery life will be significantly less than what we got. All lte devices have shirty battery life, bionic, thunderbolt etc. I know this because I own them and as you can see which phone I favor because I am writing this post frlm it. The sga2 is by far the best phone out there, tried them all. Any deviation from this phone could possibly make it no longer "the perfect phone". I have not tried the phone yet so at this point I am just assuming, or speculating.
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That's my issues with it.
1. I just got the sga2 and the size of it is perfect. When I hold it in my right hand I can very easily swipe down the notifications or if I am typing with it is my ritgh hand and using my thumb I can do it easily and fairly accurately. With a bigger screen I don't know it will fit as nicely, in fact I am pretty sure it wont. I have the bionic and it drives me crazy because it so big and the thunderbolt is the same way.
2. Rom development learning curve. When the lye came out for Verizon there was a tremendous amount of issues ans bugs with data switching from 4g to 3g and half the time you were left without any data. It will not be as easy for the devs to make Roms or even port them because for some it will be a new concept. Right now we have a few great roms to choose from. When the sga2 is out it will be a while until there is a any Roms. If anything I will wait until the last couple of days of my return period which is about 22 days from now, to see the progress of development, before I think of switching. Like I said the screen size is an issue for me. If it doesn't fit as nice as this phone then I definitely wont switch.
3. Battery life- even though the skyrkt has a bigger battery the battery life will be significantly less than what we got. All lte devices have shirty battery life, bionic, thunderbolt etc. I know this because I own them and as you can see which phone I favor because I am writing this post frlm it. The sga2 is by far the best phone out there, tried them all. Any deviation from this phone could possibly make it no longer "the perfect phone". I have not tried the phone yet so at this point I am just assuming, or speculating.
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Comparing Verizon's LTE phones to att lte phones is that both are different in terms the phones. To my understanding that Verizon's phones has 2 radios one for their cdma aka 3G network and the other for lte where Att will only have one except their lte is going to be more then likely a different band but since lte is gsm, should not need another radio. So trying to compare verizon's lte to 3g switch off is not going to be the same as att lte which from what I have been reading about will be running on 700 and 1700 mhz bands which is probably why att will not have as many problems as verizon since att currently uses for their Hspa *3G* and Hspa+ *4G as marketed* runs off 850 and 1900 mhz bands, so building an lte radio to run quad band should not be an issue and then running a quad band for 2G should not be an issue in the same radio where Verizon's 3G network as they call it is cdma and their lte network should be running off of 700 mhz and 1700 mhz as well as falls back to cdma. The issue I can see happening with att is the 3G/4G/LTE back to Edge aka 2G will cause dropped calls and slow data or no data, like it does from hspa/hspa+ back to Edge. My sgs2 has been proven otherwise but it still can happen because the handoff is not perfect.
I am not sure if battery life is going to take a serious hit as I do not have lte in my area at the moment with att but what would have been nice to test the skyrocket compared to the og sgs2 if both were running the same cpu, that would be the true test. A good test would be the T-mobile sgs2 versus the skyrocket, that would be a way to see if the battery life takes a hit since both phones are similar in specs.
HTH,
Charlie
I had a snapdragon in my Sony Xperia. It was a good starter phone. I am very happy with my Galaxy S II. No need yo upgrade to something less.
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Comparing Verizon's LTE phones to att lte phones is that both are different in terms the phones. To my understanding that Verizon's phones has 2 radios one for their cdma aka 3G network and the other for lte where Att will only have one except their lte is going to be more then likely a different band but since lte is gsm, should not need another radio. So trying to compare verizon's lte to 3g switch off is not going to be the same as att lte which from what I have been reading about will be running on 700 and 1700 mhz bands which is probably why att will not have as many problems as verizon since att currently uses for their Hspa *3G* and Hspa+ *4G as marketed* runs off 850 and 1900 mhz bands, so building an lte radio to run quad band should not be an issue and then running a quad band for 2G should not be an issue in the same radio where Verizon's 3G network as they call it is cdma and their lte network should be running off of 700 mhz and 1700 mhz as well as falls back to cdma. The issue I can see happening with att is the 3G/4G/LTE back to Edge aka 2G will cause dropped calls and slow data or no data, like it does from hspa/hspa+ back to Edge. My sgs2 has been proven otherwise but it still can happen because the handoff is not perfect.
I am not sure if battery life is going to take a serious hit as I do not have lte in my area at the moment with att but what would have been nice to test the skyrocket compared to the og sgs2 if both were running the same cpu, that would be the true test. A good test would be the T-mobile sgs2 versus the skyrocket, that would be a way to see if the battery life takes a hit since both phones are similar in specs.
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Charlie
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I did not know that about the radios. Good to know
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I think skyrocket is running a Qualcomm SoC, not good choice compared to Exynos.
So i live the Dallas Ft worth area of TX and have ATT. ATT now says that 4G LTE is available in DFW, but i havnt gotten it yet. I still see the H with the 2 arrows for data and ATT says i should see a 4G symbol.
Is there something i need to do to get the LTE?
Sadly there is no LTE antenna.
Unfortunately AT&T calls our phone 4g. Really it's like 3.5g. The HSPA+ antenna in our phones is just glorified 3G. They just fancied up their 3G towers to handle data better. Hints we can get up to 14 Megs a second if we are lucky. Though I have only seen it near the 6 Meg mark.
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So i live the Dallas Ft worth area of TX and have ATT. ATT now says that 4G LTE is available in DFW, but i havnt gotten it yet. I still see the H with the 2 arrows for data and ATT says i should see a 4G symbol.
Is there something i need to do to get the LTE?
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The Atrix was labeled as a 4G phone as a marketing trick, but its "4G" is really just a slightly modified 3G and is not compatible with LTE.
Jonny Steele said:
So i live the Dallas Ft worth area of TX and have ATT. ATT now says that 4G LTE is available in DFW, but i havnt gotten it yet. I still see the H with the 2 arrows for data and ATT says i should see a 4G symbol.
Is there something i need to do to get the LTE?
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I came to this thread at first thinking you were joking but yes, unfortunately Companies like ATT and Rogers where I am from market there HSPA+ devices as 4G and differentiate the two technologies by saying '4G' and 'LTE' respectively. They are scamming their customers with this. According to the wireless device spec, 4G technology is only LTE but the companies decide to market things however they want to; bending the truth to make a sale.
Sorry that they tricked you, as they have to millions of customers who are now cheated into upgrading to a valid LTE phone less than a year after they purchased their '4G' phone.
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I came to this thread at first thinking you were joking but yes, unfortunately Companies like ATT and Rogers where I am from market there HSPA+ devices as 4G and differentiate the two technologies by saying '4G' and 'LTE' respectively. They are scamming their customers with this. According to the wireless device spec, 4G technology is only LTE but the companies decide to market things however they want to; bending the truth to make a sale.
Sorry that they tricked you, as they have to millions of customers who are now cheated into upgrading to a valid LTE phone less than a year after they purchased their '4G' phone.
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In December 2010, the ITU declared HSPA+ as 4G. Prior to that declaration, not even LTE qualified as 4G. Only Wimax and LTE-Advanced were considered 4G.
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/18/itu-reverses-its-decision-lte-wimax-and-hspa-are-now-4g/
If people would stop saying hspa+ is not 4G (i don't care if you disagre it has officially been certified as 4G) and rather just explain that hspa+, and LTE are two different versions of 4G currently marketed by Att of which LTE is the faster things might go smoother for everybody....
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If people would stop saying hspa+ is not 4G (i don't care if you disagre it has officially been certified as 4G) and rather just explain that hspa+, and LTE are two different versions of 4G currently marketed by Att of which LTE is the faster things might go smoother for everybody....
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Come on, pal... if hydrochloric acid is defined as "water" will you drink it? HSPA+ is not 4g. Redefining standards to accommodate what is currently available does not change reality. Many people can't just swallow the blue pill... Others will call hydrochloric acid water. Good luck getting people to switch camps!
Marketing dishonesty sucks...
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xfinrodx said:
Come on, pal... if hydrochloric acid is defined as "water" will you drink it? HSPA+ is not 4g. Redefining standards to accommodate what is currently available does not change reality. Many people can't just swallow the blue pill... Others will call hydrochloric acid water. Good luck getting people to switch camps!
Marketing dishonesty sucks...
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The problem is you don't make the standards, by refusing to accept them you are only spreading more confusion and making the problem worse. Both LTE and hspa+ are officially certified as 4G, and will from this point on be advertised as 4G. Did you know all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs.... hmm guess I can say stupid stuff irrelevant to the conversation as well
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xfinrodx said:
Come on, pal... if hydrochloric acid is defined as "water" will you drink it? HSPA+ is not 4g. Redefining standards to accommodate what is currently available does not change reality. Many people can't just swallow the blue pill... Others will call hydrochloric acid water. Good luck getting people to switch camps!
Marketing dishonesty sucks...
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LTE is not 4G either by the initial definition. Blame the ITU, not AT&T. If the ITU says it is, you can't fault AT&T for calling it 4G.
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The problem is you don't make the standards, by refusing to accept them you are only spreading more confusion and making the problem worse. Both LTE and hspa+ are officially certified as 4G, and will from this point on be advertised as 4G. Did you know all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs.... hmm guess I can say stupid stuff irrelevant to the conversation as well
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A worthless reply, not worth my time to say any more.
robrj said:
LTE is not 4G either by the initial definition. Blame the ITU, not AT&T. If the ITU says it is, you can't fault AT&T for calling it 4G.
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Thank you for adding to the conversation. I am not at all confident in the ITA personally... To me, it has looked like they bowed their definition to the initial dishonest advertising and changed the meaning of 4g to fit what the industry in the US wanted it to be. Lot of blame to go around in my eyes, some toward at&t, T-Mobile, sprint, ITU... Just disappointing as a consumer that what was defined originally has been repeatedly backed off of to the detriment of the consumer. Many people therefore choose not to go along with the repeatedly lowered definition: Even Motorola's engineers apparently, as you won't find a 4g icon for hspa+... Difficult situation indeed.
(ITU wasn't the first to call hspa+ 4g either...)
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no provider has real 4g at all read this
http://kschang.hubpages.com/hub/What-You-Do-NOT-Know-about-4G-Cellular-Phones
pressure from phone companies decided what they can call 4g. Some of the companies decisions have changed sprint is going to do advanced lte now rather than wimax but the article is valid nonetheless. 100 meg download is a tall order maybe one day.
This would fix things
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/10/14/new.senate.bill.should.bring.better.4g.definition/
do away with such a general description and just say what it really is. just label it a h+ phone or wimax or lte
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Listen buddy bottom line is hspa + has been approved as 4G, I don't care if you're still butt hurt because you and you're nerd herd friends had higher expectations for 4G wireless technology. However it was determined that hspa + was a big enough jump from 3G that it could be called 4G. Bottom line is we will never have truth in advertising when we advertise in G's rather than expected download speeds using X technology (hspa+/LTE/Wimax/ect.)
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Thank you for adding to the conversation. I am not at all confident in the ITA personally... To me, it has looked like they bowed their definition to the initial dishonest advertising and changed the meaning of 4g to fit what the industry in the US wanted it to be. Lot of blame to go around in my eyes, some toward at&t, T-Mobile, sprint, ITU... Just disappointing as a consumer that what was defined originally has been repeatedly backed off of to the detriment of the consumer. Many people therefore choose not to go along with the repeatedly lowered definition: Even Motorola's engineers apparently, as you won't find a 4g icon for hspa+... Difficult situation indeed.
(ITU wasn't the first to call hspa+ 4g either...)
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My guess for Motorola is that the phone was developed before HSPA+ was considered 4G which was why the H+ icon and not 4G. It was declared 4G in December and the Atrix was released in February. Technically, the Atrix would show H+ even if the phone was HSPA; there was no seperate 3G icon. So it was somewhat deceptive to put an H+ icon up even though it was only standard 3G.
I think the only retailer you can truely blame is T-Mobile. They were calling theirs 4G (HSPA+) long before the ITU caved. I believe AT&T only called it 4G after the ITU declared it as such.
That said, you definitly can blame the ITU for it. They're the standards body. Regardless of who was calling something 4G, they're the ones who determined what the definition of 4G was. They could have just stated that HSPA+ was not 4G (neither was LTE) and that T-Mobile was using false advertising. If the standard is that flexible, and they can change it on a whim, then there was no 4G standard.
As others have said, HSPA+ and LTE are different enough from 3G that you have to call it something. It's working itself out. LTE is called 4G LTE to distinguish itself.
What's the point if arguing weather its 4g or not when we all are gonna still use their phones.
When life sucks I just enjoy the head
im still satisfied with my phone and had done enough reading to know what i was buying. and as for the arguing i dont think anyone here is getting to upset.this is a relevant conversation even if we had amazing download speeds who is going to start downloading movies on there phone rather than a pc especially with data caps.phone still browses can download small bits of information at a reasonable speed and holds its own compared to newer devices
so sprint just announced there first lte network area, and i just happen to live smack dab in the middle
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/28/sprint-caps-year-of-network-vision-milestones-with-first-lte-clu/
so other than huge jumping jacks being done by me, how likely is it that our/my phone will be able to be the new baddest MoPho on the planet?
**edit** wrong link
Photon doesn't have an LTE radio so its not like you'll get to use it *jealousy shrug* lol. LTE sprint phones should make an appearance on sprint's line up some time next year. I'm thinking after the summer or Q4.
i thought i read somewhere that the photon had a dual wimax/lte chip?
bullfrog527 said:
i thought i read somewhere that the photon had a dual wimax/lte chip?
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Nope lol. Just wimax, cdma 1x evdo, and the gsm bands. I don't think there's a single phone on the market that has both wimax and lte if it is I bet you won't find in the US.
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_photon_4g_mb855-3987.php
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i thought i read somewhere that the photon had a dual wimax/lte chip?
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Theres been rumors it does and that motorola has been hiding it..
We wont know until motorola releases the official full hardware specs of the phone this month (i think around mid this month) along with the phones kernel
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TheChronicDroid said:
Theres been rumors it does and that motorola has been hiding it..
We wont know until motorola releases the official full hardware specs of the phone this month (i think around mid this month) along with the phones kernel
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There's no way they could hide it lol. The phone would have to be thicker to include a wimax and LTE radio. Again, there's no phone in the US that has this and I assure you the photon isn't going to be the one. There's been plenty of complete tear downs/videos and a wimax radio was alone. No LTE. I doubt they would "hide it" then reveal it. That doesn't really make sense to a marketing standpoint; if it had an LTE radio sprint would market the **** out of the photon to make money since the photon would be the only phone in the world with that combo.
I've been told many times by Motorola & Sprint that it has LTE, and we will get it in a software update. I am going to wait and see. Who knows, we may be surprised, although I am not counting on it.
kennypow3rs said:
There's no way they could hide it lol. The phone would have to be thicker to include a wimax and LTE radio. Again, there's no phone in the US that has this and I assure you the photon isn't going to be the one. There's been plenty of complete tear downs/videos and a wimax radio was alone. No LTE. I doubt they would "hide it" then reveal it. That doesn't really make sense to a marketing standpoint; if it had an LTE radio sprint would market the **** out of the photon to make money since the photon would be the only phone in the world with that combo.
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Then why else would they not release there specs till january around the same time sprint reveals a big suprise at ces the 10th and motorola be the first company around the same time as development of this phone talk with beceem to create a wiimax+lte chip anddd they could not release that info to sell sprints other phones for the time being then the people who have those phones but want lte when available would have to buy the photon?.. also like the guy said above me many sprint stores will tell you there will be an update for lte on our phones.. And the phone wouldnt be that much thicker at all if it was anyways its already a lil thick compared to samsung phones... The only tear downs ive seen couldnt get past the metal plating covering the radios.. If they did the lte+wiimax chip is a pretty simple looking chip so easily missed.. Not saying your wrong just saying I do believe there is a possibility and listed all the arguements ive heard stating why (ive also validated those arguements too) either way I love this phone!!
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I guess I'll be one of the first to find out! It would be really cool if it is true, oh well if not.
bullfrog527 said:
I guess I'll be one of the first to find out! It would be really cool if it is true, oh well if not.
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Do you plan on doing a teardown and soldering off the metal plates? Because if so yoyu would settle a long time rumor and possibly make it to engadget or phandroid. Either way I'm excited.
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I meant ill find out if it does when they turn on the network and update the software on our phones.
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I meant ill find out if it does when they turn on the network and update the software on our phones.
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You willing to put a little wager on that? You're not getting an update because it doesn't have LTE in the phone lol.
Hey chronic you wanna bet?
deedscreen said:
I've been told many times by Motorola & Sprint that it has LTE, and we will get it in a software update. I am going to wait and see. Who knows, we may be surprised, although I am not counting on it.
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I work for corporate Sprint and can say that the Motorola Photon 4G does not have a LTE chipset in it nor do any of the smartphones in current product line up have one either. Go into a Sprint S&R Center and have a TSR show you the MoBo of a MoPho and you'll see the chipset is a WiMax one. The Sprint market where LTE has been turned up is immaterial in the sense that they are not any devices currently available to take advantage of it. I would suggest people to tune into CES 2012 where we will make announcements pertaining to various technologies to be deployed as well as new products and services
I've been telling these dudes this lol.
Oh well, I guess it was just another wet dream!
wireless.praying.mantis said:
I work for corporate Sprint and can say that the Motorola Photon 4G does not have a LTE chipset in it nor do any of the smartphones in current product line up have one either.
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Was told by Motorola this same thing... however, was told also that they're working on an LTE phone for Sprint... for some reason, Sprint & Motorola don't get along that well...
So if us cellular has a LTE network in select cities, could the electrify have the lte radio? Or do they have another 4G phone in the works?
Now would it be possible that they made the photon with the beacem 500 for the purpose of having a test phone for the network for when they were testing their lte network?
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So if us cellular has a LTE network in select cities, could the electrify have the lte radio? Or do they have another 4G phone in the works?
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From everything I've read from US Cellular, our phone wont do 4g. (this wont surprise some, but there were/are people holding out hope). Just read there announcement today that they have several new phones and a tablet in "R&D" for there new 4g network. Supposed to debut in select areas in June, if memory serves.
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Sprint store reps don't know
I was due for a phone update and asked a rep in one of the Sprint corporate store about the LTE 4G that is coming out and does the current phones have the hardware to be able to use this and was told that all of the current top 4G phones (Galaxy II s, HTC Evo 3D, Motorola Photon, etc..) will be able to use the LTE 4G. Now that I have a Photon and will be stuck for 22 months should I return it and wait for a LTE 4G phone to upgrade to? I thought it was probably tgtbt that the current phones would be able to support the new LTE 4G. I probably should contact someone in Sprint about what customers are being told to make a sale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!